PipeChat Digest #3472 - Monday, February 17, 2003
 
Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Huge Church Organs
  by <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Re: A question about Number of sound producing entities
  by <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Casavant Tour (x-post)
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
Re: A question about Number of sound producing entities - more fuel for t
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Looking for a hymn
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
Lexan
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: The Mother Church, Boston
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Larry Phelps wife
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: The Mother Church, Boston
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: Need hymntune
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
IRC Tonight
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:50:05 -0600     --Boundary_(ID_BjtuIJEe+J5C1+r6hA7uQw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Bruce,   I had a plexiglass rack built which spans the full width of my = church's=3D20=3D   console - just over 5 feet. It's wonderful for service use!   The plexiglass piece itself cost only $75, made to order. The oak=3D20 "end-bits" which attach it to the console were another $100 and two=3D20 clip-on lamps added another $20 to the project. Good-looking as well = as=3D20=3D   wonderfully useful. If I'd had to have a cabinetmaker do the oak = bits,=3D20=3D   I suppose it would have added another $100-200; don't know since I = did=3D20=3D   it myself.   Installed just over four years ago and still no serious marking of = the=3D20=3D   plexiglass which is fairly important since this is a=3D20 "look-through-the-music-rack-to-direct-the-choir" installation.=3D20 However, at such time as scratches become a problem, I can just take=3D20 out four screws and pop in a brand-new custom made rack for whatever = is=3D20=3D   by then the inflation-adjusted equivalent of $75!   TTFN, Russ Greene   On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 12:49 AM, Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > Are glass/plexi/whater music racks espensive to have custom made. = =3DA0=3DA0=3D   --Boundary_(ID_BjtuIJEe+J5C1+r6hA7uQw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Bruce,     I had a plexiglass rack built which spans the full width of my church's console - just over 5 feet. It's wonderful for service use!     The plexiglass piece itself cost only $75, made to order. The oak "end-bits" which attach it to the console were another $100 and two clip-on lamps added another $20 to the project. Good-looking as well as wonderfully useful. If I'd had to have a cabinetmaker do the oak bits, I suppose it would have added another $100-200; don't know since I did it myself.     Installed just over four years ago and still no serious marking of the plexiglass which is fairly important since this is a "look-through-the-music-rack-to-direct-the-choir" installation. However, at such time as scratches become a problem, I can just take out four screws and pop in a brand-new custom made rack for whatever is by then the inflation-adjusted equivalent of $75!     TTFN,   Russ Greene     On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 12:49 AM, Cremona502@cs.com wrote:     <excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Are glass/plexi/whater music racks espensive to have custom made. =3D =3DA0=3DA0</smaller></fontfamily></excerpt>=3D   --Boundary_(ID_BjtuIJEe+J5C1+r6hA7uQw)--  
(back) Subject: Re: Huge Church Organs From: <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:01:20 -0500   On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:32:16PM +0000, Colin Mitchell wrote: > > Colin Mitchell UK (Who has a tiny organ)   Size doesn't matter . .er em . . .   I've heard 32' digital stops in our local Allen dealer's showroom and they sound icky, the room being too small for the sound waves, you get standing waves, comb filter effects, and all sorts of nastiness.   The same stops in a 100' long room sound a good bit better.   In all things relating to "organs", the skill of the operator is much more important than the size of the organ.   Now STOP that giggling!        
(back) Subject: Re: A question about Number of sound producing entities From: <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:20:07 -0500   On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:14:43PM -0400, Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote: > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > > Hi all- > > <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote: > > *Am I right with this? > *Is actual sampling done pipe by pipe or only stop by stop average?   The answer is a resounding "It Depends."   Record your voice. Play it back. Now play it back faster. Now slower.   At some point, it stops sounding human. The actual Human/Alvin point varies with the speaker, and there's a wide transition range where it just sounds "wrong" for whatever reason.   So you need "enough" samples that, wherever you're playing them in the keyboard, you get the right sound.   Nowadays, memory is so cheap that sampling every pipe for every note doesn't much matter.   As for the reproduction, the accoustics of the space cover a multitude of sins.   Hammond used to have a sales demo where he'd put his loudspeakers in the pipe chamber. People would remark on the wonderful pipe organ. Of course, that demo only works for the small slice of pipe organ sound that a Hammond can achieve. No one's going to confuse a Jimmy Smith bass sound with anything a pipe ever did.   I've played ADC generation Allen that sounded fine in it's 500+ seat space. I've played newer, "better" model that sounded . . it was a wonderful example of sampling. The samples were all pure and clean and crystaline. And completely unsuitable as an organ.   I suspect that was caused by a compination of a SEROIUSLY dead room and speakers too close.      
(back) Subject: Casavant Tour (x-post) From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:51:42 -0500   For those of you who enjoyed my narrative of our Tour of the Casavant Factory, here is a link to a set of pictures taken there.   http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3D4290689177&code=3D4594184&mode=3Din= vite   You do have to "join", but if you uncheck the boxes, they promise it will be spam free.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   I will have pictures of the installation process up in a couple of days.  
(back) Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:29:30 -0500     On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:50:46 -0500 MARAUDER <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> writes: > Am I right that "plastic" music racks are made of very hard, dense > material > called lexan? > > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA > > Not necessarily,   Lexan is a polycarbonate that is (among other things) Bullet Proof ! Lexan is a trademarked name. So is "Plexi-glass" which is an Acrylic. It is not bullet proof, but is somewhat less scratch prone. Neither is good at resisting scratches. If someone is to have a music rack made of this material, I would suggest that it be a "sandwich" -- a thick piece to provide the strength, and a very thin piece on the music side that would be easily replaced when it becomes scratched.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:05:24 -0500   After 400 ranks, I lose count. However,the effect is quite spectacular. = The 100" Ophicleide is not "noise" by any means, but adds a crowning glory to the entire ensemble. The effect of adding the 100" Ophicleide to the full organ at Atlantic City is actually less dramatic than adding the 50" Trompette-en Chamade to the full organ at St. John the Divine. The only difference is that Atlantic City is four times bigger. I beleive that the volume level of the 100" Ophicleide at Atlantic City was measured at six times louder than an diesel automotive whistle, but that is an unimportant statistic. Since the entire organ was probably 5-1/2 times louder than a diesel automative whistle to begin with , it would make sense to make the solo reed a tad louder.   One would ask the question that if one does not feel that bigger is = better, why would any organ be bigger than 45 ranks. I heard the CC organ at the Madeleine in Paris and it was more impressive than many organs twice its size, and I have heard the organ at Wanamaker and it was less impressive than some organs half its size. Done right (Midmer-Losh, Atlantic City) , bigger is better. The building does not shake but the sound eminates from the chambers like a tidal wave. Unfortunately, there have been too few to experience this sonic wonder. To those that have not experienced it, it is like trying to explain to the uninitiated your most intense experience.   The blower for the 4 - 100" reeds is not that big. There are only a couple of hundred pipes at this pressure. The remaining 33,000 pipes require huge amount s of wind (40,000 cubic feet per minute ,I believe), especially = the 50" 32' Bombarde and the 64' Diaphone Profunda on 35" wind. And as loud = as the organ is, the size of the building is equally as impressive, necessitating a proportionately big organ. I seem to recall reading how disappointed the Wanamaker personnel were ( puny was the term I think was used) after installing the original organ in the Grand Court. It seems = that even the world's largest organ at the time (1917 ??) on 4" wind pressure = was not enough to fill the vastness of the Grand Court. It is unfortunate that Wanamaker ran out of money or changed its priorities since the Stentor division with its proposed 100" ranks would have made an impressive addition.   Antoni Scott    
(back) Subject: Re: A question about Number of sound producing entities - more fuel for the fire From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:41:31 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Ach! Nonsense Rick!   All you need is a huge wooden labrynth speaker....say about 32ft high!   Have I missed something?   ;-)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- RMaryman@aol.com wrote: > Andres, et al... > > another remaining challenge of this whole business > is that speakers radiate > sound in a "beam"   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Looking for a hymn From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:46:29 -0600   Hmm, Daniel Miller has more RC sources than I do?:-)   According to google.com, four verses if the text (with interpretive interpolations) is at:   http://www.thecompassnews.org/compass/2002-10-04/02cn1004c2.shtml   "O God of light, the dawning day / Gives us new promise of your love. / = Each fresh beginning is your gift, / Like gentle dew from heav'n above."   "Your blessings, Father, never fail: Your Son, who is our daily Bread, / = The Holy Spirit of your love, / By whom each day your sons [daughters] are = led."   "Make us the servants of your peace, / Renew our strength, remove all = fear; / Be with us, Lord, throughout this day, / For all is joy as you are = near."   "To Father, Son and Spirit blest, / One only God, we humbly pray: / Show = us the splendor of your light / In death, the dawn of perfect day."     The tune "Danby" is in many hymnals. It's at #12 in the Hymnal 1982.   Michael   > > >> >>Subject: Looking for a hymn: O God of light >>From: "Daniel Muller" <DVM5704@dcccd.edu> >>Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:25:44 -0600 >> >>Joe Elliffe wrote: >> >> Can anyone possible email me a copy of "O God of light, the dawning >>day" by James Quinn SO.I. and tell me where I can purchase same >> >> I need it for a service on Thursday. >> > >Dear Joe: > >"O God of light" is a hymn for lauds ("morning prayer") published in >the American Catholic Breviary "Christian Prayer (Catholic Book >Publishing Company, New York, 1976)." > >Melody: Danby, L.M. -- Traditional English Melody >Text: James Quinn, S.J. >Words copyright James Quinn, S.J., from "New Hymns for All Seasons," >Geoffrey Chapman, London > >Daniel Muller >Blessed Sacrament Church >Dallas, Texas >      
(back) Subject: Lexan From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:00:04 EST   Lexan scratches and clouds. It'll stop a bullet, but it'll still scratch = and cloud.  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:05:30 EST   And to think that organists are so often accused of megalomania and immaturity, when all we want is the biggest and the best, the most admired = of American traits...  
(back) Subject: Re: The Mother Church, Boston From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:23:22 EST   I've never heard the "fifth manual removed" story either, so I'm wondering why it isn't constantly repeated as part of the apocryphal lore. The rebuilt and revoiced Mother Church organ sounds very sterile and passionless, for some reason, and when I heard it last, left me totally = cold and completely unmoved. It didn't seem anything like the fabled warmth and =   complexity that people fondly attribute to Lawrence Phelp's work. At the recital in question, the audience noticeably jumped and = whispered amongst themselves when the digital 32' stops were added. The stops' obtrusive nature was more the subject of discussion than anything else, except for anecdotes about the recitalist's antics regarding her hotel accommodations. As for having both a Great and a Hauptwerk, does the possibility exist =   that Mr. Phelps had not intended them to be used together?   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:31:54 -0500   At 11:05 AM 2/17/03 -0500, Tuba Magna wrote: >And to think that organists are so often accused of megalomania and >immaturity, when all we want is the biggest and the best, the most = admired of >American traits...   Bob Conway remarks   "The most admired of American traits"   You may think so, but that is not the way others see it! I would suggest that it is the LEAST admired of American traits!   Bob    
(back) Subject: Re: Larry Phelps wife From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:43:04 -0700     <?xml:namespace prefix=3D"v" /><?xml:namespace prefix=3D"o" />=20 =2E Ruth Barrett long at the Mother Church, Boston, had =C6olian Skinner remove the fifth manual because of the reach, and she wasn't short either. A box shaped shunt fills that space even today. She was the wife of the great Phelps who designed the organ for =C6olian Skinner. The stops for that manual are floated with couplers to the other four.   Ron Severin=20 =20       Ron, =20 I believe Ruth Barrett was LP's mother. Dame Gillian Weir was his wife         Not correct -=20 Ruth and Larry Phelps were married.     Gillian Weir was his third wife that I=20 know about.     Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:50:12 -0600   When there is a discussion of the size of pipe organs, I am reminded of this insight from the view from the pews. Two little old ladies in a card club got into a lively discursion of which of the organs in their respective churches had the larger pipe organ. The one lady insisted her church had the largest as the organ had 18 pipes and the other ladies church only had 14, thus indicating that the determination of size was strictly a function of display pipes that could be counted.   Jon    
(back) Subject: Re: The Mother Church, Boston From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:57:29 -0800 (PST)   --0-201538060-1045501049=3D:31665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi All,   Having played this organ several times, I can say that I also never saw = any evidence of a 5th manual ever being there. I did not know that Ruth = B. was the organist at the time of it's construction, and found that it = was very easy to reach all the stop knobs, something I was really = surprised to find. Later, when I did learn that a woman organist was = there at the time, I attributed the ease of reach to this.   I was told that to fully understand why the organ was layed out the way it = was, originally, you had to consider the balcony placements and relative = proximity to the pipe alcove. No one wanted an organ of this size to = scream at the mostly elderly woman seated there.   When I played the organ in the mid 80's, I found the strings to be the = closest thing to a heavenly sound this side of the veil. I also = discovered the entire, uppermost walls were cellotex(spelling ??) tiles, = which also were used in the dome to remove just about all the reverb. that = came with the original construction.   I found that the best "seat in the house" to hear the richness of the pipe = work, was not in the auditorium, but in the stairwells that flank the = platform, going to the lower level. Here, the sound just rolled around = all that marble after cascading down from above.   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --0-201538060-1045501049=3D:31665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi All,</P> <P>Having played this organ several times, I can say that I also never saw = any evidence of a 5th manual ever being there.&nbsp; I did not know that = Ruth B. was the organist at the time of it's construction, and found that = it was very easy to reach all the stop knobs, something I was really = surprised to find.&nbsp; Later, when I did learn that a woman organist was = there at the time, &nbsp;I attributed the ease of reach to this. </P> <P>I was told that to fully understand why the organ was layed out the way = it was, originally, you had to consider the balcony placements and = relative proximity to the pipe alcove. No one wanted an organ of this size = to scream at the mostly elderly woman seated there.</P> <P>When I played the organ in the mid 80's, I found the strings to be the = closest thing to a heavenly sound this side of the veil.&nbsp; I also = discovered the entire, uppermost walls were cellotex(spelling = ??)&nbsp;tiles, which also were used in the dome to remove just about all = the reverb. that came with the original construction.</P> <P>I found that the best "seat in the house" to hear the richness of the = pipe work, was not in the auditorium, but in the stairwells that flank the = platform, going to the lower level.&nbsp; Here, the sound just rolled = around all that marble after cascading down from above.</P> <P>Matt</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/O=3D1/I=3Dbrandr/vday03/text/flow/*http://shopp= ing.yahoo.com /shop?d=3Dbrowse&id=3D20146735">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Send Flowers for = Valentine's Day --0-201538060-1045501049=3D:31665--  
(back) Subject: Re: Need hymntune From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:10:29 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3128328629_1243748 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 2/16/03 2:42 PM, "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:   > Hi Folks > =3D20 > =3D20 > I am looking for the hymntune for "O God of Light, the dawning day- I = thi=3D nk > its in the Hymnal 1940- I can't find my copy and its not in the 1982 = book > Thanks > Joe >=3D20   Joe, I don=3DB9t see that text in the 1940 book.   Alan   --B_3128328629_1243748 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Need hymntune</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 2/16/03 2:42 PM, &quot;Joe = Elliffe&quot; &l=3D t;jelli@tampabay.rr.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">Hi Folks<BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> &nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I am looking for the = hymntune for =3D &quot;O God of Light, the dawning day- I think its in the Hymnal 1940- I = can=3D 't find my copy and its not in the 1982 book<BR> Thanks<BR> Joe<BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Joe, I don&#8217;t see that text in the 1940 book.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3128328629_1243748--    
(back) Subject: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:26:19 -0800 (PST)   --0-924782340-1045502779=3D:44290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi All, I am a Friend Of The Wanamaker Organ and have read in a book = published by them .... that only the unexpected DEATH of Rodman Wanamaker = was responsible for the division not coming into being. He had authorized = it, with no cost limitation and the work order was awaiting his signature = (in the IN box of his desk) when he died suddenly. His successors = absolutely had NO INTEREST in continuing to spend more money on the = instrument.   I would like to add that monsters like Wanamakers and the West Point = organ do infact make an indelible impression on many, many thousands of = people who sometimes travel large distances to hear them AND THE = TRANSCRIPTIONS AND ROMANTIC MUSIC PLAYED UPON THEM.   I understand the same is true of the Portland Maine Municipal Austin and = The Ocean Grove NJ (not so much of a monster) organ (18 years of hearing = this one every summer). The Irving Auditorium Austin will also fit into = this realm, I believe.   Compare this to the "outreach" of your typical "recital" of authentic = organ literature performed on tracker instruments.   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --0-924782340-1045502779=3D:44290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi All, I am a Friend Of The Wanamaker Organ and have read in a book = published by them .... that only the unexpected DEATH of Rodman Wanamaker = was responsible for the division not coming into being. He had authorized = it, with no cost limitation and the work order was awaiting his signature = (in the&nbsp;IN box of his desk) when he died suddenly.&nbsp; His = successors absolutely had NO INTEREST in continuing to spend more money on = the instrument.</P> <P>I would like to add that monsters like Wanamakers&nbsp; and the West = Point organ&nbsp;do infact make an indelible impression on many, many = thousands of people who sometimes travel large distances to hear them AND = THE TRANSCRIPTIONS AND ROMANTIC MUSIC PLAYED UPON THEM.</P> <P>I understand the same is true of the Portland Maine Municipal Austin = and The Ocean Grove NJ (not so much of a monster) organ (18 years of = hearing this one every summer).&nbsp; The Irving Auditorium Austin will = also fit into this realm, I believe.</P> <P>Compare this to the "outreach" of your typical&nbsp;"recital" of = authentic organ&nbsp;literature performed on&nbsp;tracker instruments.</P> <P>Matt</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/O=3D1/I=3Dbrandr/vday03/text/flow/*http://shopp= ing.yahoo.com /shop?d=3Dbrowse&id=3D20146735">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Send Flowers for = Valentine's Day --0-924782340-1045502779=3D:44290--  
(back) Subject: IRC Tonight From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:35:31 -0500   To all members of PipeChat-L.   As usual, we shall be on line tonight from 9.00 pm Eastern Time to chat about everything under the sun.   Occasionally we do chat about organs too!   You are all welcome to join us.   If you are not too sure how to join in the Chat, go to:   http://www.pipechat.org/mirc.html   Where Adrienne - our resident expert will guide you through the easy = steps.   Go for it!   Bob Conway      
(back) Subject: Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:23:39 +1300   Perhaps different things are being talked about here? I've heard neither = the Atlantic City nor Wanamaker organs except on record (yes, vinyl), but it seems they cannot be compared with large church organs which are an = entirely different thing.   Even in church organs, there are large individuals that are phenomenally wonderful but give you no understanding whatever of normal church (or cathedral) instruments. I'm thinking of St Paul's London, which has no similarity (to my mind) to the even bigger monster at Liverpool, the = latter being merely vast, while the St Paul's organ locks into the building and = is of a "topsy" design, having grown over a century or so into its unique design and physical dispersement round the chancel, dome and west end.   Is this a valid distinction?   Ross     I would like to add that monsters like Wanamakers and the West Point organ do infact make an indelible impression on many, many thousands of people who sometimes travel large distances to hear them AND THE TRANSCRIPTIONS AND ROMANTIC MUSIC PLAYED UPON THEM.   I understand the same is true of the Portland Maine Municipal Austin and The Ocean Grove NJ (not so much of a monster) organ (18 years of hearing this one every summer). The Irving Auditorium Austin will also fit into this realm, I believe.   Compare this to the "outreach" of your typical "recital" of authentic organ literature performed on tracker instruments.   Matt           ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day