PipeChat Digest #3473 - Monday, February 17, 2003
 
Re: Organ in a recent movie
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE Glass/Plastic Music racks
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: The Mother Church, Boston
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Casavant Tour (x-post)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Organ in NYC Cathedrals and Churches
  by <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Lexan
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Ron's Comments
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Pipe organ replaced for electronic...
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Pipe organ replaced for electronic...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Pipe organ replaced for electronic...  You Can Hear It Too
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organ in a recent movie From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:53:25 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3128331205_1398650 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 2/16/03 9:09 PM, "Pologaptommy@aol.com" <Pologaptommy@aol.com> wrote:   > Does anyone know what Cathedral? Does anyone know anything about the = org=3D an > there?=3D20   Josh: No clue. But a question or two. There are something like a dozen cathedrals in Manhattan, and a few others in other boroughs of this city. Only a few have imposing appearance (which I suppose WAS in the flick). = My GUESS is that it wasn=3DB9t filmed in NYC at all. Maybe somewhere in = Canada. How do you know that it was a cathedral?   Having ventured that, if you can find out which church, and if it IS in = NYC=3D , I think I can dig up the details you=3DB9re looking for. And if it is NOT = in NYC, I=3DB9ll just bet that SOMEone on this list can come up with the poop = on it.   Alan   --B_3128331205_1398650 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Organ in a recent movie</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 2/16/03 9:09 PM, = &quot;Pologaptommy@aol.com=3D &quot; &lt;Pologaptommy@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Does anyone know what = Cathe=3D dral? &nbsp;Does anyone know anything about the organ there? <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Josh: &nbsp;No clue. &nbsp;But a question or two. &nbsp;There are = something=3D like a dozen cathedrals in Manhattan, and a few others in other boroughs = of=3D this city. &nbsp;Only a few have imposing appearance (which I suppose WAS = i=3D n the flick). &nbsp;My GUESS is that it wasn&#8217;t filmed in NYC at all. = &=3D nbsp;Maybe somewhere in Canada. &nbsp;How do you know that it was a = cathedra=3D l?<BR> <BR> Having ventured that, if you can find out which church, and if it IS in = NYC=3D , I think I can dig up the details you&#8217;re looking for. &nbsp;And if = it=3D is NOT in NYC, I&#8217;ll just bet that SOMEone on this list can come up = wi=3D th the poop on it.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3128331205_1398650--    
(back) Subject: RE Glass/Plastic Music racks From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:34:10 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   This thread was very useful for me because I plan to install such a rack = at the console of my parish church organ.   Acrylic scratches with the time, that's true, but it's easy to work and replace and even can be polished. (Remember: I live in a country where it's all but easy to get ready made supplies and almost all must be own manufactured, rebuilt or recycled :)   The organ of the music high school has an acrylic rack that is in = reasonable good condition after 25 years, and man! *that* organ had to stand quite a misuse! (BTW it's a digital oldie now dead; no original chips available :)   Our two Detlef Kleuker positives have acrylic swell shutters. Terrific, = you can see the pipework; muffling effect is excellent, very few scratches, no yellowing, crackling or clouding after 30 years.   I am not a friend of glass racks, for safety reasons. The glass rack that broke into thousands of "glass balls" was made of tempered glass. A fine = but expensive material. And then the heck to "polk out" all these glass = granules from the console- gosh! (I had this mess in my car dashboard when the windshield broke :) Just my experience...   Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Re: The Mother Church, Boston From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:27:33 EST     --part1_54.a619931.2b828395_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Matt:   According to a recent artical in the tracker about Larry Phelps work at Mother Church, It explains Ruth Barrett's decission to eliminate the fifth manual because of the long reach. a spacer was installed, but makes the console look a bit propotionately out of wack. There are many other tidbits in this artical too.   Ron   --part1_54.a619931.2b828395_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Matt:<BR> <BR> According to a recent artical in the tracker about Larry Phelps<BR> work at Mother Church, It explains Ruth Barrett's decission to<BR> eliminate the fifth manual because of the long reach. a spacer<BR> was installed, but makes the console look a bit propotionately<BR> out of wack. There are many other tidbits in this artical too.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_54.a619931.2b828395_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant Tour (x-post) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:35:28 EST   In a message dated 2/17/03 9:54:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3D4290689177&code=3D4594184&mode=3Din= vite     Thanks for the pictures. They're great. I'm jealous.... although not quite as jealous as I would be if I didn't get to play one every day!!   Please keep us posted.   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:36:09 EST     --part1_1f1.2148a3a.2b828599_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/03 9:56:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > Lexan is a polycarbonate that is (among other things) Bullet Proof ! > heeheehee soooooooooooooooo very important to modern organists!! ;-)     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1f1.2148a3a.2b828599_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/0=3D 3 9:56:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Lexan is a polycarbonate = th=3D at is (among other things) Bullet Proof ! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">heeheehee &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;soooooooooooooooo very = important=3D to modern organists!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1f1.2148a3a.2b828599_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:36:16 -0800 (PST)   --0-1280506696-1045506976=3D:55184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi All,   I combined at least two treads in my latest post, sorry about any = confusion. Sometimes I read a bunch of posts before deciding to post a = message and then forget distinct treads.   In this case my comments about the monsters were made because there were = posts regarding why anyone needed a 5 manual giant instrument, and then = Atlantic City's organ was discussed.   TubaMagna's comments regarding the Mother Church Organ were the reason I = decided to post a message and I tacked on my monster thoughts to that.   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --0-1280506696-1045506976=3D:55184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi All,</P> <P>I combined at least two treads in my latest post, sorry about any = confusion. Sometimes I read a bunch of posts before deciding to post a = message and then forget distinct treads.</P> <P>In this case my comments about the monsters were made because there = were posts regarding why anyone needed a 5 manual giant instrument, and = then Atlantic City's organ was discussed.</P> <P>TubaMagna's comments regarding the Mother Church Organ were the reason = I decided to post a message and I tacked on my monster thoughts to = that.</P> <P>Matt</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/O=3D1/I=3Dbrandr/vday03/text/flow/*http://shopp= ing.yahoo.com /shop?d=3Dbrowse&id=3D20146735">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Send Flowers for = Valentine's Day --0-1280506696-1045506976=3D:55184--  
(back) Subject: Organ in NYC Cathedrals and Churches From: <patmai@juno.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:43:04 -0500   Dear Pipechatters,   On the day of the Blizzard of `03, I am beginning a most delightful project.. my first listening to the GREAT ORGANS of New York, B & V Recordings, a set of 4 CDs recorded in 1995-96 which I purchased at the St. Bart's (Saint Bartholomew's) Book and Gift Shop a while ago for $54.00.   Dorothy P. just played the fanfare for the Common Man of Copland. Most common and uncommon men and strong women in the East are doing more than their share of snow shoveling on this holiday.   I wonder.. did the NYC chapter of AGO go ahead with its annual fine celebration of Presidents' Day? I had considered attending again this year, but decided against it when I looked out the window this morning...   Now Dorothy is playing her own Improvisation on the IV/81 E. M. Skinner (1911)/ Aeolian-Skinner (1954) at the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, located on. Amsterdam Avenue and 112th Street..   Cheers to all from the snowy, frosty Hudson Valley of New York,   Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point, NY III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller/Gress-Miles   ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:48:49 EST     --part1_1c7.531923f.2b828891_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/03 10:01:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, = ascott@ptd.net writes:     > One would ask the question that if one does not feel that bigger is = better, > why would any organ be bigger than 45 ranks. I heard the CC organ at the > Madeleine in Paris and it was more impressive than many organs twice = its > size, and I have heard the organ at Wanamaker and it was less impressive > than some organs half its size. Done right (Midmer-Losh, Atlantic City) = , > bigger is better. The building does not shake but the sound eminates = from > the chambers like a tidal wave.   I think the Atlantic City Midmer-Losh is an excellent example of why = bigger is not better. Although I've never played or heard the organ, it's my guess that the magnificent tidal wave effect is possible without using all =   and, likely, is possible using only a small fraction of the organ.   Accurate speculation is often unlikely, but I think that this organ's survival might be more likely if it were not so huge. Paying for the initial installation is only a small portion of the "total" cost an organ. = Surely it should be a consideration as well.   On the other hand, however, if those fiscally in charge of such an = instrument and building were more responsible, maintenance would have been on-going = and neither the building nor the organ would have deteriorated to such an = extent that their demise was considered the better option. I firmly believe (although sadly not qualified to participate) that preservation of such organs and building IS possible. In a country as rich as ours, the money = IS there. Prying it out of the appropriate hands is the problem.   Organs like Wannamaker, Atlantic City, St. John the Divine, National Cathedral, Mormon Tabernacle, etc., and their buildings are all fine = examples of architecture, art and music, and warrant preservation. Two excellent =   examples of fiscal responsibility, to the best of my knowledge, are the National Cathedral and the Mormon Tabernacle. Both of these institutions seem to have proper visions of what care of blessings is about.   For the average, or semi-average church, I would thing that well-designed modest instruments would be the better choice. Additionally, I think = that if someone wants and can afford an organ that can "play it all" the better =   choice would be to have several smaller, more easily maintained, and = unique instruments. I know of far too many churches that have very large organs = in their principal worship space, and several electronics scattered in the gallery or chancel, chapel, and parish hall. It just doesn't make sense = to pull of your eggs in one basket.     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1c7.531923f.2b828891_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/0=3D 3 10:01:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, ascott@ptd.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One would ask the = question=3D20=3D that if one does not feel that bigger is better, <BR>why would any organ be bigger than 45 ranks. I heard the CC organ at = the <BR>Madeleine in Paris &nbsp;and it was more impressive than many organs = twi=3D ce its <BR>size, and I have heard the organ at Wanamaker and it was less = impressive <BR>than some organs half its size. Done right (Midmer-Losh, Atlantic = City)=3D20=3D , <BR>bigger is better. &nbsp;The building does not shake but the sound = eminat=3D es from <BR>the chambers like a tidal wave. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3D3=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>I think the Atlantic City Midmer-Losh is an excellent example of why = big=3D ger is not better. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Although I've never played or heard = the=3D organ, it's my guess that the magnificent tidal wave effect is possible = wit=3D hout using all and, likely, is possible using only a small fraction of the = o=3D rgan. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Accurate speculation is often unlikely, but I think that this organ's = su=3D rvival might be more likely if it were not so huge. &nbsp;&nbsp;Paying for = t=3D he initial installation is only a small portion of the "total" cost an = organ=3D .. &nbsp;&nbsp;Surely it should be a consideration as well. <BR> <BR>On the other hand, however, if those fiscally in charge of such an = instr=3D ument and building were more responsible, maintenance would have been = on-goi=3D ng and neither the building nor the organ would have deteriorated to such = an=3D extent that their demise was considered the better option. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D p;I firmly believe (although sadly not qualified to participate) that = preser=3D vation of such organs and building IS possible. &nbsp;&nbsp;In a country = as=3D20=3D rich as ours, the money IS there. &nbsp;&nbsp;Prying it out of the = appropria=3D te hands is the problem. <BR> <BR>Organs like Wannamaker, Atlantic City, St. John the Divine, National = Cat=3D hedral, Mormon Tabernacle, etc., and their buildings are all fine examples = o=3D f architecture, art and music, and warrant preservation. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;T=3D wo excellent examples of fiscal responsibility, to the best of my = knowledge,=3D are the National Cathedral and the Mormon Tabernacle. &nbsp;Both of these = i=3D nstitutions seem to have proper visions of what care of blessings is = about. <BR> <BR>For the average, or semi-average church, I would thing that = well-designe=3D d modest instruments would be the better choice. &nbsp;&nbsp;Additionally, = I=3D think that if someone wants and can afford an organ that can "play it = all"=3D20=3D the better choice would be to have several smaller, more easily = maintained,=3D20=3D and unique instruments. &nbsp;&nbsp;I know of far too many churches that = hav=3D e very large organs in their principal worship space, and several = electronic=3D s scattered in the gallery or chancel, chapel, and parish hall. = &nbsp;&nbsp;=3D It just doesn't make sense to pull of your eggs in one basket. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1c7.531923f.2b828891_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lexan From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:53:02 EST     --part1_9f.33e0aea4.2b82898e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/03 11:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     > Lexan scratches and clouds. It'll stop a bullet, but it'll still = scratch > and > cloud. >   So the choice is clear! Do you want to be safe from your sopranos, or = have blurry vision!! ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_9f.33e0aea4.2b82898e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/0=3D 3 11:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Lexan scratches and = clouds.=3D &nbsp;It'll stop a bullet, but it'll still scratch and=3D20 <BR>cloud. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>So the choice is clear! &nbsp;&nbsp;Do you want to be safe from your = sop=3D ranos, or have blurry vision!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_9f.33e0aea4.2b82898e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Ron's Comments From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:53:51 -0800 (PST)   --0-1266233558-1045508031=3D:67086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi Ron,   Thanks for the info. To get to the console, you have to go through a = little hatch way that causes you to stoop down. (Unless they have changed = this since I last played there.) Not too much fun for folks over 6 feet, = so I am guess Ruth was not too tall.   Just for a laugh and I hope I do not offend anyone here, one of my organ = teachers was a wonderful women and her church had a 100+ rank, 4 manual. = She was not tall and never played the top manual. During my lessons one = day I probably said something like, "I guess it' s a little too far to = reach". She just laughted, reached up to play the 4th manual, and showed = me the real reason she didn't use it. It doesn't take much imagination to = figure out how she ended up accompanying herself even though her hands and = feet were already busy. This may have been the "real" reason Ruth was not = comfortable with the 5th manual :).   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --0-1266233558-1045508031=3D:67086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi Ron,</P> <P>Thanks for the info.&nbsp; To get to the console, you have to go = through a little hatch way that causes you to stoop down.&nbsp;(Unless = they have changed this since I last played there.)&nbsp; Not too much fun = for folks over 6 feet, so I am guess Ruth was not too tall.</P> <P>Just for a laugh and I hope I do not offend anyone here, one of my = organ teachers was a wonderful women and her church had a 100+ rank, 4 = manual. She was not tall and never played the top manual. During my = lessons one day I probably said something like, "I guess it' s a little = too far to reach". She just laughted, reached up to play the 4th manual, = and showed me the real reason she didn't use it. It doesn't take much = imagination to figure out&nbsp;how she ended up accompanying herself even = though her hands and feet were already busy.&nbsp; This may have been the = "real" reason Ruth was not comfortable with the 5th manual :).</P> <P>Matt</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/O=3D1/I=3Dbrandr/vday03/text/flow/*http://shopp= ing.yahoo.com /shop?d=3Dbrowse&id=3D20146735">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Send Flowers for = Valentine's Day --0-1266233558-1045508031=3D:67086--  
(back) Subject: Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:01:40 EST     --part1_2b.391f9213.2b828b94_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/03 12:26:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes:     > Compare this to the "outreach" of your typical "recital" of authentic = organ > literature performed on tracker instruments. >   Matt, Although I agree with most of what you said, I do think it is unfair to compare the "outreach" of typical recitals .... performed on tracker instruments. The mechanism does not matter here. No 25 stop organ = is going to compare in outreach to a 100 stop instrument. Few places that = have a 25 stop organ are going to be able to afford the artists to play regular =   recitals of any kind. With your disdain of "purity" consider how many people were brought to the love of pipe organs and their music by E. Power =   Biggs' purity and dedication and the little tracker organ he played. I think I know just as many people who were equally moved by Virgil Fox and = the Wannamaker or Riverside organs, as well. Loving organs and organ = concerts is not, or at least, should not be an either or proposition.     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_2b.391f9213.2b828b94_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/0=3D 3 12:26:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Compare this to the = "outrea=3D ch" of your typical "recital" of authentic organ literature performed on = tra=3D cker instruments. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Matt,=3D20 <BR>Although I agree with most of what you said, I do think it is unfair = to=3D20=3D compare the "outreach" of typical recitals .... performed on tracker = instrum=3D ents. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The mechanism does not matter here. = &nbsp;&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;No 25 stop organ is going to compare in outreach to a 100 stop = instr=3D ument. &nbsp;&nbsp;Few places that have a 25 stop organ are going to be = able=3D to afford the artists to play regular recitals of any kind. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=3D sp;With your disdain of "purity" consider how many people were brought to = th=3D e love of pipe organs and their music by E. Power Biggs' purity and = dedicati=3D on and the little tracker organ he played. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I = know=3D20=3D just as many people who were equally moved by Virgil Fox and the = Wannamaker=3D20=3D or Riverside organs, as well. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Loving organs and organ = conc=3D erts is not, or at least, should not be an either or proposition. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_2b.391f9213.2b828b94_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Pipe organ replaced for electronic... From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:06:39 -0500   Three days after I said I didn't want to fuel this fire, I find this news = article. Now, I currently play on an electronic, but I'll let you all = read the article to see why this might be the most insane thing you've = ever heard.   http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3657602.html   Pick jaws up off of floor now...   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organ replaced for electronic... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:17:54 EST     --part1_1d8.2f4de0f.2b828f62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/03 2:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pepehomer@aol.com writes:     > http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3657602.html > Thanks, Justin. That a wonderful article. It's good to see this kind = of publicity.     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1d8.2f4de0f.2b828f62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/0=3D 3 2:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pepehomer@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">http://www.startribune.com/=3D stories/462/3657602.html <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">Thanks, Justin. &nbsp;&nbsp;That a wonderful article. = &nbsp;=3D &nbsp;&nbsp;It's good to see this kind of publicity. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1d8.2f4de0f.2b828f62_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organ replaced for electronic... You Can Hear It Too From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:18:25 -0800 (PST)   --0-524143598-1045509505=3D:61554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi All,   There is an audio link in the upper right corner of the web page so you = can hear it.       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --0-524143598-1045509505=3D:61554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi All,</P> <P>There is an audio link in the upper right corner of the web page&nbsp; = so you can hear it. </P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/O=3D1/I=3Dbrandr/vday03/text/flow/*http://shopp= ing.yahoo.com /shop?d=3Dbrowse&id=3D20146735">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Send Flowers for = Valentine's Day --0-524143598-1045509505=3D:61554--