PipeChat Digest #3474 - Monday, February 17, 2003
 
Re: Organ in NYC Cathedrals and Churches
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Lexan
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Huh?
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
recent Taylor & Boody
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
This vs that kind of instrument
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Music List, 2/16/03
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: Ron's Comments
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: This vs that kind of instrument
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
re: Organ in NYC Cathedrals and Churches (correction)
  by <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Pipe organ replaced by electronic...
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Huh?
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: This vs that kind of instrument
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc.
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
RE: Pipe organ replaced for electronic...
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
Re: Pipe organ replaced for electronic...
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
organs...sizes, locations, etc.
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organ in NYC Cathedrals and Churches From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:59:49 EST   Presidents' Day activities were cancelled for the Monday leg of the event. There will be some attempt at rescheduling for a milder season. The last time we had a blizzard for a New York City Presidents' Day, activities went ahead as planned. 18" - 24" are expected. I used to live in an old stable on 13th = street, and if there was snow, the skylights covered up quickly, and I had no = views to the outside, just brick walls. In our new digs on Park Row, 250 feet above the city, we can see both rivers, and the snow looks amazing, especially when the Art Deco towers of the skyline are lit up. Sebastian  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:06:11 EST   Regarding Bruce's discussion of large congregations that have multiple =   worship venues, sometimes resorting to a similuated sound in the less-critical venues: I have one client who had one of their four pipe organs replaced by a digital. Despite its luxurious number of knobs and keys, it is the only = organ that people reluctantly use by force. Even the admittedly wretched = 35-rank 1963 Moller in one auditorium is a better choice than the = "state-of-the-art" simulation in the other. Both auditoria are used for worship at different times, although much less frequently than the main sanctuary and chapel. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Lexan From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:56:07 +1300   >>Lexan scratches and clouds. It'll stop a bullet, but it'll still scratch and cloud. >So the choice is clear! Do you want to be safe from your sopranos, or have blurry vision!! ;-)   Bruce,   If your Lexan stuff scratches and clouds, then the choice is NOT clear, surely? Unless you mean that glass must be chosen as being the only = "clear" choice?   Isn't language fun! Ross    
(back) Subject: Huh? From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:27:39 -0600   Matt--I guess I don't have enough imagination. I can't imagine from your description why the woman didn't play the fourth manual.   Dennis Steckley _____________   She was not tall and never played the top manual. During my lessons one = day I probably said something like, "I guess it' s a little too far to reach". She just laughted, reached up to play the 4th manual, and showed me the = real reason she didn't use it. It doesn't take much imagination to figure out = how she ended up accompanying herself even though her hands and feet were already busy. Matt ______________   This world in arms is not spending money alone; it is spending the sweat = of the laborers, the genius of the scientists, and the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.--Dwight Eisenhower    
(back) Subject: recent Taylor & Boody From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:38:35 -0500   Saturday I went to hear a totally fabulous Taylor & Boody tracker in a specially designed chapel, Bower Chapel at Moorings Park, Naples FL, acoustically "perfect", seats 200. Joan Lippincott played all-Bach very well. I could hear every note, the clarity was astounding, I heard notes within that I have not heard before, even though they were all familiar pieces. Fenner Douglass was consultant. The organ is center front of the sanctuary. The event was co-sponsored by the SW FL AGO Chapter.   Taylor & Boody Opus 36, 2001 Great 16' Bourdon 8' Principal 8' Rohrflote 8' Viol da Gamba 8' Voce Umana 4' Octave 4' Spitzflote 2' Superoctave II Sesquialtera IV Mixture 16' Fagott 8' Trompet   Positive (above console with doors, no shutters) 8' Gedackt 4' Principal 4' Rohrflote 2 2/3' Nasat 2' Octave 2' Gemshorn 1 3/5 Tierce III Mixture 8' Dulcian   Echo ( in upper rear of case) 8' Gedackt 4' Blockflote 2' Flute II Cornet 8' Oboe   Pedal (rear of case) 16' Subbass 16' Violonbass 8' Octave 4' Octave 16' Posaune 8' Trompet   Couplers POS/GT GT/PED POS/PED   Two tremulants Cimbelstern   1902 pipes, Mechanical key & Stop action Compass - 54 notes Pedal 30 notes Case - solid cherry Kellner temperament Metal pipes of hammered tin alloys 3 wedge bellows with pumping levers Wind Pressure: 3 inches water column (enough to blow the dust off your glasses)   (Copied from program)   Program - Prelude & Fugue in C Major Three Chorales from Leipzig Collection Nun danket Schmuecke dich Von Gott will ich night lassen Toccata & Fugue in F Major Intermission Sonata in E-flat Major Allegro - Adagio - Allegro Passacaglia in C minor                
(back) Subject: This vs that kind of instrument From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:18:23 +1300   >I have one client who had one of their four pipe organs replaced by a >digital. Despite its luxurious number of knobs and keys, it is the only organ >that people reluctantly use by force. Even the admittedly wretched = 35-rank >1963 Moller in one auditorium is a better choice than the "state-of-the-art" >simulation in the other.   A few years ago, in visiting Sydney, Australia (1400 miles away from me in NZ here, by the way) I went into a church and listened to a fellow aged about 20 playing an ultra-modern large electronic of famous make. When he stopped I asked why the thing was there as there was a pipe organ in the back of the church. His comment was that no one had got around to dumping = it and it didn't work anyway. I asked if I could look at while he continued practising. He agreed, and I went over to the organ, being unable to = resist turning the switch to see if the organ would go. It did, and I pulled the Swell 8ft Lieblich Gedackt and began tootling on it.   The young organist stopped abruptly and came over to ask me to try other stops. I did. He was entranced and vowed to try to get rid of the = electronic they'd been using for several years. Full organ, the pipe organ was = stunning and filled the building with warm rich sound, clear and bright. Played softly, it was a soft dream of a sound.   What were they? Well, I won't tell you what the large electronic was, but the pipe organ was a 2m J.W.Walker (from England) tracker of about 20 = stops from the 1860s, never restored, never rebuilt, with just two Pedal stops, not even tuned for about four years.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Music List, 2/16/03 From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:03:43 EST   Church of the Nativity, Fair Haven, NJ Rev. Jerome M. Nolan, Pastor Peter R. Isherwood, Organist and Choirmaster   Solemn Mass in Celebration of the 50th Anniversary of the Parish The Nativity Choir The Junior Choir The Shrewsbury Brass Peter Isherwood, Director   Prelude (Organ and Brass): -Sinfonia, Vivaldi -Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring, Bach   Introit: -Venite, Plainchant   Gathering Hymn: -All People That on Earth Do Dwell, Old Hundredth   Kyrie: -Missa De Sancta Maria, Willan   Gloria: -St. Thomas, Peter Jones   Psalm: -Gelineau   Gospel: -Mass of Light, Haas   Presentation Hymn: -O Christ The Great Foundation, Aurelia   Ordinary: -Mass of Creation (Brass/Congo/Choir)   Lord's Prayer: -Plainchant   Communion Hymn: -Let Us Break Bread Together, Let Us Break Bread   Communion Anthem: -Draw Us In the Spirit's Tether, Friedell -O How Amiable, Vaughn Williams   Mission Hymn: -Now Thank We All Our God, Nun Danket   Postlude: -Rigaudon, Campra  
(back) Subject: Re: Ron's Comments From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:09:56 EST     --part1_144.ae6359d.2b82a9a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Matt:   I think what you are suggesting, playing a four or five manual organ is that you either chest buck or belly buck the choir manual even if you are skinny reaching for those higher elevations. LOL It offers a Messiaen quality to anything you might play. ROTFLMAO   Ron Severin   --part1_144.ae6359d.2b82a9a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Matt:<BR> <BR> I think what you are suggesting, playing a four or five manual<BR> organ is that you either chest buck or belly buck the <BR> choir manual even if you are skinny reaching for those higher = elevations.<BR=3D > LOL It offers a Messiaen quality to anything you might play. ROTFLMAO<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_144.ae6359d.2b82a9a4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: This vs that kind of instrument From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:17:30 -0500   > What were they? Well, I won't tell you what the large electronic was, = but > the pipe organ was a 2m J.W.Walker (from England) tracker of about 20 = stops > from the 1860s, never restored, never rebuilt, with just two Pedal = stops, > not even tuned for about four years.   On my last trip to Sydney a couple of years ago, the good news on this = front was that Australia was rejoicing in the new-found awareness that they have = a treasure trove of intact, unaltered Victorian era organs which simply need = a little tender loving conservation. The goverment was subsidising their restoration as part of Australia's national heritage.   With any luck, the organ you speak of has benefitted from this new = awareness, as have others that I have heard of. Christ Church Lavender Bay had a = lovely little 2 manual organ that was to be restored in 2002. I'd love to hear = it and play it again.   Cheers, TommyLee Reston, VA USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:36:29 -0500   > Although I agree with most of what you said, I do think it is unfair > to compare the "outreach" of typical recitals .... performed on > tracker instruments. The mechanism does not matter here. No 25 > stop organ is going to compare in outreach to a 100 stop instrument. > Few places that have a 25 stop organ are going to be able to afford > the artists to play regular recitals of any kind.   I know at least one church in Maryland with a 25 rank/29 stop organ which = has a very active recital series. The organ is a Harrison and Harrison = tracker action. Very nice! I have travelled 90 miles to hear it and will gladly = make the trip again. Okay, granted, this is an exception, and it is a very = nice English style organ, not a neo-baroque organ.   (Of course, _I_ would go hear a good organist play a good concert on a = good neo-baroque, too, but I gather that in this day and age, I'm in an ever dwindling minority there.)   In wonderment looking out at the snow in northern VA which is now making = its way up north. Hope y'all enjoy it as much as we are! ;) It's going to = be a couple of days for us to dig out of this.   Cheers, TommyLee Reston, VA    
(back) Subject: re: Organ in NYC Cathedrals and Churches (correction) From: <patmai@juno.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:49:15 -0500   Dear Pipechatters,   Mea culpa.. mea maxima culpa..   I have misstated the number of ranks at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine :-(   A colleague has called to my attention the fact that Dorothy Papadakos presides over an instrument of 141 ranks, NOT a mere 81! When I went back to check the booklet included with the 4 CD's of the Great Organs of New York, there it was on page 30.. IV/141.. Perhaps the snow temporarily blinded my eyes? ;-)   David or Tim, wouldst thou please make the correction in the archives? Thank you kindly!   Onward to Disc 3.... Cheers to all from the still snowy, frosty Hudson Valley of New York,   Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point, NY III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller/Gress-Miles   ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organ replaced by electronic... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:16:27 EST   << http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3657602.html >>   This just goes to show that our problems begin at the seminary level.   The type of willful, belligerent, unrelenting ignorance displayed here = is more prevalent in some denominations, but in general, poor taste and lack = of judgment is engrained in those preparing for the clergy. Fortunately, in this case, the organ was "re-placed," not replaced. It =   found a home with a woman who saw its value, and it looks like it cleaned = up beautifully. Undaunted by the re-engineering of the layout, she now = happily plays on an instrument that others were unwilling to appreciate. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Huh? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:59:04 +1300   >Matt--I guess I don't have enough imagination. I can't imagine from your >description why the woman didn't play the fourth manual.   O ye of little imagination. The woman was clearly trying to keep abreast = of the task. She was busting to do the job properly, in fact. ;-)   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:33:51 -0500   On 2/17/03 4:36 PM, "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> wrote:   > In wonderment looking out at the snow in northern VA which is now making = its > way up north. Hope y'all enjoy it as much as we are! ;) It's going to = be a > couple of days for us to dig out of this. > TommyLee, you're a nice guy. It was GOOD of you to send the leftovers of your snowfall northward. Not to have done so would have made us feel neglected. Actually, though, your generosity is a BIT excessive. Maybe = 30% of what you sent would have been more than adequate. Our municipal budget is in bad enough shape as it IS.   But thanks for the nice thoughts.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: This vs that kind of instrument From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:07:26 +1300   >On my last trip to Sydney a couple of years ago, the good news on this front >was that Australia was rejoicing in the new-found awareness that they = have a >treasure trove of intact, unaltered Victorian era organs which simply = need a >little tender loving conservation.   This is very true, and there have been very significant names, like John Maidment, David Kinsela and Robert Ampt to think of just three. And there are fine organists like David Drury, Mark Quarmby and Peter Jewkes (the latter an organbuilder as well as musician) etc.etc. And I'm sure many others equally competent.   The Ozzies are indeed very well aware of their organ heritage. It's not politically-correct for NZers to praise Oz for any of its citizens or = ideas, but I must do so here.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanamaker Stentor Division .... Huge etc. From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:17:03 EST     --part1_182.1719a2c9.2b82c76f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/2003 4:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, tommylee@whitlock.org writes:     > > Few places that have a 25 stop organ are going to be able to afford > > the artists to play regular recitals of any kind. > >   The Westminster Presbyterian Church in Charlottesville, VA and the Christ Lutheran Church in Staunton, VA both have organs in this size range, and =   both churches have on-going recital series. FWIW, both churches have = Taylor and Boody organs...both are 2-manuals & ped. the Christ Lutheran organ is foot-pumpable and has been featured on PIpedreams.   Rick in VA   --part1_182.1719a2c9.2b82c76f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/2=3D 003 4:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, tommylee@whitlock.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt; Few places that have = a=3D 25 stop organ are going to be able to afford=3D20 <BR>&gt; the artists to play regular recitals of any kind. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=3D ; <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>The Westminster Presbyterian Church in Charlottesville, VA and the = Chris=3D t Lutheran Church in Staunton, VA &nbsp;both &nbsp;have organs in this = size=3D20=3D range, and both churches have on-going recital series. FWIW, both churches = h=3D ave Taylor and Boody organs...both are 2-manuals &amp; ped. the Christ = Luthe=3D ran organ is foot-pumpable and has been featured on PIpedreams. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_182.1719a2c9.2b82c76f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:00:04 -0800 (PST)   I always wonder if ALL the stops on huge instruments are really necessary. I used to play a 14 rank Gress Miles on which every stop was absolutely necessary. I played a lean and mean Casavant of 34 ranks on which every rank was usable regularly. I now play a 3/43 Austin which has a couple ranks that I very seldom use, either because they are not very good of their kind, or just seem to be not very useful. A good friend of mine who used to take care of the organ at Riverside Church used to get regularly ticked off when a visiting organist would choose to use stops that he had not tuned in years and years because they were simply never, ever used by the organists there. I think it would be interesting to study the usage of stops on enormous instruments and determine just how many stops are never used by anyone. On most 100+ rankers, there must be a few that fit that category. In other words, are 100 rank organs really played as 89 rank instruments by their titulars, etc. What think ye?   Ken   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:00:28 -0800 (PST)   I always wonder if ALL the stops on huge instruments are really necessary. I used to play a 14 rank Gress Miles on which every stop was absolutely necessary. I played a lean and mean Casavant of 34 ranks on which every rank was usable regularly. I now play a 3/43 Austin which has a couple ranks that I very seldom use, either because they are not very good of their kind, or just seem to be not very useful. A good friend of mine who used to take care of the organ at Riverside Church used to get regularly ticked off when a visiting organist would choose to use stops that he had not tuned in years and years because they were simply never, ever used by the organists there. I think it would be interesting to study the usage of stops on enormous instruments and determine just how many stops are never used by anyone. On most 100+ rankers, there must be a few that fit that category. In other words, are 100 rank organs really played as 89 rank instruments by their titulars, etc. What think ye?   Ken   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:03:50 EST     --part1_17a.16bf83d2.2b82d266_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/17/2003 7:00:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, swell_shades@yahoo.com writes:     > A good friend of mine who used to take care of the organ at > Riverside Church used to get regularly ticked off when a visiting > organist would choose to use stops that he had not tuned in years and > years because they were simply never, ever used by the organists there. >   hmmmmm.sounds like a good excuse to tune them then since someone wanted to =   use them. (LOL)   Rick in VA   --part1_17a.16bf83d2.2b82d266_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/17/2=3D 003 7:00:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, swell_shades@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A good friend of mine who = u=3D sed to take care of the organ at <BR>Riverside Church used to get regularly ticked off when a visiting <BR>organist would choose to use stops that he had not tuned in years and <BR>years because they were simply never, ever used by the organists = there. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>hmmmmm.sounds like a good excuse to tune them then since someone = wanted=3D20=3D to use them. (LOL) <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17a.16bf83d2.2b82d266_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe organ replaced for electronic... From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:37:14 -0600   Now that the church did was insane, certainly not what the organist did. Heh, more power to her. I have to admit, it would be loads of fun to have in the house. My other half has said, that if we won the lottery, and he didn't have to worry about money anymore, he said, "Dangit, I want a house built large enough to have a pipe organ in it!" :-{)}   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Pepehomer@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Pipe organ replaced for electronic...     Three days after I said I didn't want to fuel this fire, I find this news article. Now, I currently play on an electronic, but I'll let you all = read the article to see why this might be the most insane thing you've ever heard.   http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3657602.html   Pick jaws up off of floor now...   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organ replaced for electronic... From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:16:13 -0600   Several years ago, I looked at that organ, It's not far from where I live. I'm glad someone to whom it meant so much got it. I don't think it was for sale yet when I seen it. But it hadn't been serviced for a few years and I was told it may be for sale. I was hoping that they had kept = it where it belongs. Luther   -----Original Message----- From: Pepehomer@aol.com <Pepehomer@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Pipe organ replaced for electronic...     >Three days after I said I didn't want to fuel this fire, I find this news article. Now, I currently play on an electronic, but I'll let you all = read the article to see why this might be the most insane thing you've ever heard. > >http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3657602.html > >Pick jaws up off of floor now... > >Justin Karch >Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS >Rome, GA   >      
(back) Subject: organs...sizes, locations, etc. From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:30:33 -0600   Well list:=20   I think that if an organ is well designed, voiced, regulated, scaled and musical, I bet every stop would be used. The problems I see with most instruments are soloists (you know, every stop has to be a solo stop!)...I've recently heard several new installations by a "respected" builder. I was unimpressed. In all instances there was never a good build up of choruses. There was always a stop that would dominate and either muddy things up, or burn in on your ears.   The real reason for sizable instruments is not power, but a greater tonal palette to play from. There are great tonal differences in flutes, strings and reeds. Not so much so in good Principals...but that's a generalization on my part. A Rohrfl=F6te sounds nothing like a Koppalfl=F6te, a Gamba sounds nothing like a Gemshorn, which sounds nothing like a Flauto Dolce or Erzahler. Don't read this wrong, Flauto Dolce and Erzahler are two completely different beasts....<G>   The idea of a "chamade" on 100" of wind sorta makes me sick to my stomach. A good horizontal reed does not have to be "high powered/pressured" to be a solo stop or crown the whole organ chorus. We have 4 instruments in the Kansas City metro area with Chamades....none of them higher than 4"....and that's the highest. All function magnificently as solo reeds, but they also do "chorus" work as well.   No matter what size the instrument is, it must be well balanced from stop to stop and division to division to function well.=20 That's not saying it cannot be colorful and have a wide dynamic range, it's just saying that it must be balanced to work well.     Just my 2 cents on the matter.   Jon Bertschinger Tonal Director Temple Organs Saint Joseph, MO (North Kansas City area)     Fine custom pipe organs since 1953.