PipeChat Digest #3480 - Wednesday, February 19, 2003
 
Re: Staying on topic
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Staying on topic
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Peasant  music
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Peasant  music
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Huh?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Huh?
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: The Mother Church, Boston
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: Oh, the value of a Larigot  :)
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Digital bashing
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Staying on topic
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Oh, the value of a Larigot  :)
  by "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Staying on topic
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: My last message
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Organs and laptops
  by "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com>
Re: French Organs
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Organ for Practice
  by "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:01:38 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Staying on topic     > Not to pick a fight, but the byline included on every message posted to > this list is (and it's repeated below): > "PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics" > >> > Andrew Barss > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:13 PM, First Christian Church of > Casey, IL wrote: > > > And I would hope before we venture too extensively in this direction > > that we > > remember the name of this group: PIPEchat! > > > > With friendly thanks, > > Dennis Steckley > > ___________ > > > > Subject: Re: Recent postings re Rodgers > > From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:11:15 -0600 > > > > Excuse me Chester (and Rick), > > > > I've got no axe to grind between Rodgers and Allen - both produce fine > > products of their type. > > > > > > This world in arms is not spending money alone; it is spending the > > sweat of > > the laborers, the genius of the scientists, and the hopes of its > > children. > > This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud > > of > > threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.--Dwight > > Eisenhower > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:11 -0600   Andrew,   Please do not feel that way, and you should not be made to feel that way. My church just purchased an Allen Renaissance 281 and I am extremely proud of it. The neat thing about these models is that you can connect a laptop and actually voice them, change the stops and really make them fit the acoustics of your church. I was thrilled when I found that it had a = library of Skinner voices, since I have always enjoyed my recordings of the Riverside Organ. But they sounded horrible in my church. However, there are a host of Cavialle-Col voices in the library that sound marvelous, especially the reeds. So, about 80% of the voicing is CC. The organ has = 53 speaking stops, but several hundred voices from which to choose for the = 53. All of these can be voiced to match the acoustics of the building, as well as the other voices on the instrument.   I am not going to get into the digital vs pipe debate again. This always causes tempers to fly and there is never a winner. But, on the back side, people should not feel second class just because they play and enjoy a digital instrument.   Jim. H.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Staying on topic     > Not to pick a fight, but the byline included on every message posted to > this list is (and it's repeated below): >> > Andrew Barss > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:13 PM, First Christian Church of > Casey, IL wrote: > > > And I would hope before we venture too extensively in this direction > > that we > > remember the name of this group: PIPEchat! > > > > With friendly thanks, > > Dennis Steckley > > ___________ > > > > Subject: Re: Recent postings re Rodgers > > From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:11:15 -0600 > > > > Excuse me Chester (and Rick), > > > > I've got no axe to grind between Rodgers and Allen - both produce fine > > products of their type. > > > > > > This world in arms is not spending money alone; it is spending the > > sweat of > > the laborers, the genius of the scientists, and the hopes of its > > children. > > This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud > > of > > threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.--Dwight > > Eisenhower > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Peasant music From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:12:52 -0500   Colin, I bet you use petrol to start a fire huh? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Peasant music     > Hello, > > Could Greg (the unbelievably offended) be a > Francophile? > > I suppose there is something good to be said about the > French. You always know that you are dealing with > peasants! > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > PS: Where would Cavaille-Coll have been without > Gavioli, and where would Vierne have been without > Cavaille-Coll? > > Hee Hee! Switch on the force fields! > > > > --- Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > We owe the French for > almost > > everything that we know > > of organ literature!!!!!!!!!!!!! and organ > > building!!!!!!!!!!!! French > > celestes sound like frying > > bacon!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? Too much reverb? > > 1000 lions roaring? What would you prefer? A > > fu*ki$g Allen that TRIES to be > > a Cavaille Coll and a Silbermann at the same time > > that fails at both > > miserably? > > Sorry, but...how dare you? > > ???????????????????? Your comments are EVIL and > > disgusting. You have no > > musical integrity. You deserve every bit of this > > and what ever else other > > people say. I hope you aren't an organ teacher. > > So, either Widor, Dupre, > > Cavaille Coll, Vierne, Messiaen, Alain, Daniel Roth > > and others are all wrong, > > or YOU > > > ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Disappointed and offended beyond belief, > > Gregory > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:25 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs     > I believe Ruth Barrett was LP's mother. Dame Gillian > Weir was his wife.   No. Ruth Barren was his first wife, Dame Gillian was his second.   John Speller        
(back) Subject: Re: Peasant music From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:22:17 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Nuclear is better!   ;-)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Paul Valtos <chercapa@enter.net> wrote: > Colin, > I bet you use petrol to start a fire huh? > > Paul     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Huh? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:33:52 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Huh?     > >Matt--I guess I don't have enough imagination. I can't imagine from = your > >description why the woman didn't play the fourth manual. > > O ye of little imagination. The woman was clearly trying to keep abreast of > the task. She was busting to do the job properly, in fact. ;-)   When I worked in Pennsylvania we had a customer who was ... let us say, extremely well endowed. One of my co-workers came back from servicing her Casavant one day, and said that two drawknobs had broken off. He claimed the organist had broken them by hitting them with her breasts while = getting into the console. Of course, none of the rest of us believed him. But = the next time I was over there servicing the organ myself, without me even having to ask, she volunteered the information that this in fact was what had happened. There is no end to the curious things that one comes across when working as an organbuilder.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Huh? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:29:54 +1300   John,   It seems your Pennsylvania organist had a problem that many men would be happy to investigate. (Oh boy, that's a politically-incorrect remark to make).   Indeed odd things happen. Some years ago, a friend of mine, an = exceptionally good organist and a quiet decent fellow, went into the organ to tune a few pipes just before the Service. He sat down on the Great, in the middle = where all the we pipes are. Didn't do much for them.   Another time, a church were almost persuaded to chuck 8ft CC of their = Great Open Diapason, in the showcase, as "it cannot be made to speak properly." After a different tuner emptied a dead blackbird out of the thing, it = didn't even need tuning to get perfect speech again.   At a small 8stop 2m tracker a few years ago, someone broke into the church "re-arranged" the pipework on a Saturday evening. You can imagine the cacophony next morning.   In another place, bottom DDD of a 16ft Oboe in a 9stop unit organ spoke at 32ft DDDD, and was left that way for about 15 years. Terrible rattle.   Recently, at a church I was visiting, the congregation was told it was the Vicar's birthday. The organist very cleverly improvised a concluding "French" Toccata on "Happy Birthday".   In another place, a "visitor" one Saturday night cut all the wires in the console in a fit of pique, and tried to blame the act on someone he = disliked (me). The vandal went to that church the next morning and "described" who would have done such a thing. The Vicar contacted the police and the = police came after me. The trouble was that the vandal hadn't done his homework properly, and discovered I'd been 400 miles away for several days. Whew!!! The perpetrator never had anything legally proved against him.   On another occasion, the organist at a large cathedral here in NZ went out of the west gallery onto the side gallery roof for a pee during the Sermon = - and the wind shut the door so he couldn't get back in. It was three hours after the Service before they found my friend again.   In another place, there had been a storm and a few hours after it subsided the organist was sitting at the console of the west gallery organ when the manhole in the ceiling of the gallery blew open and about two tons of = water cascaded all over everything. A window in the gallery had been broken = during the storm.   Etc.   All wonderful stories, and true.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: The Mother Church, Boston From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:31:58 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: The Mother Church, Boston     .. The stops' > obtrusive nature was more the subject of discussion than anything else, > except for anecdotes about the recitalist's antics regarding her hotel > accommodations   Ah! This sounds like the OHS Convention, at which I was also present. The organ certainly doesn't sound anything like an Aeolian-Skinner any more. Nor does the one at the Church of the Advent.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: RE: Oh, the value of a Larigot :) From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:41:44 -0600   I'd really like to see more about this subject too, Sebastian, because I'm not understanding from where you are coming. The Kilgen at Holy Cross Lutheran in St. Louis replaced three ranks in the Swell in the 80's: Vox Humana, an Oboe, and the Aeoline 8', and put in their place a newer Oboe-Bassoon, a 4' Principal, and a, yes, Larigot 1-1/3. This organ has a rich specification, and the Swell had: 16' Bourdon, 8' Open Diapason, 8' Stopped Diapason, 8' Salicional, 8' Vox Celeste (and no, they don't sound like frying bacon), 4' Principal, 4' Flute Traverso, 2' Flautino, 1-1/3' Larigot, III Cornet, 8' Trompette, 8' Clarinet, and 8' Oboe-Bassoon. The only frustration I ever had was being unable to draw the 2-2/3 from the = III Cornet separately, but that was the way it was set up. I thought the 8+4+2+1-1/3' combination worked very nicely as a Swell chorus. Please enlighten me....   Very curiously, Jeff   > Subject: Oh, the value of a Larigot :)    
(back) Subject: RE: Digital bashing From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:47:15 -0600   You know what's funny? People say the same thing about Computers, they probably said the same thing about "horseless carriages." It's even = funnier that we keep debating this. My personal feeling: they're here, and = they're not going anywhere. Prefer whichever you want, but leave the rest of us = to our own preferences.   Now, having said that, yes, I do prefer a GOOD pipe organ, but would = equally make satisfactory use of a GOOD digital if that's the what the = congregation has. I've said this on a different list, and it still applies: it's what the organ is there for in the first place that matters; not what creates = the sound. That's from a liturgical and worship standpoint. If you want to = get into recording or concertizing, then I could see why it might matter. Either way, I love to play the ORGAN. :)   You know, what is really sad are those churches that have HORRIBLE pipe organs and think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I can = name one particular congregation I used to serve which had an 8-rank Wicks, = which they moved into the new sanctuary, and it sounds WORSE than it did in the original room....and they still think it's great!! Sigh   Hope you all are having a great week!   Respectfully to ALL...   Jeff :-)    
(back) Subject: RE: Staying on topic From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:49:04 -0600     > I am not going to get into the digital vs pipe debate again. This = always > causes tempers to fly and there is never a winner.   That's because there is no RIGHT answer; it's subjective!   But, on the back side, > people should not feel second class just because they play and enjoy a > digital instrument.   And the people said 'AMEN!'   And for the record, I play a pipe organ. :-)   Jeff  
(back) Subject: Re: Oh, the value of a Larigot :) From: "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:47:16 -0500   Good, clear Larigots are worth their weight in gold. I'd take one of = those almost instead of a poorly-done mixture in a Choir manual.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:14:44 -0600   Thanks Jeff   Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: RE: Staying on topic     > > > I am not going to get into the digital vs pipe debate again. This always > > causes tempers to fly and there is never a winner. > > That's because there is no RIGHT answer; it's subjective! > > But, on the back side, > > people should not feel second class just because they play and enjoy a > > digital instrument. > > And the people said 'AMEN!' > > And for the record, I play a pipe organ. :-) > > Jeff > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: My last message From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:14:58 -0700       Beau Surratt wrote: > > Hi! > .we ALL have our opinions and they are ALL equally > valid but we ALL need to watch out how we express them > Beau Surratt, Organist   Beau - I must, hopefully with respect, disagree about all opinions being equally valid. If you were looking for a violin for your 10 year old daughter to continue her promising study on, would you take the opinion of another 10 or 12 year old violin student as equal with the opinion of, perhaps, Joshua Bell? I hardly think so.   I am looked to as a professional for advice about organs and have served as a paid consultant in a number of situations. My opinions are thought to be more valid that those with less education, experience, etc. In turn I, at times, seek the opinions of others that I know have more expertise than I have in certain areas. No. All opinions are not equally valid. But yes, I heartily agree with the need for care in the way they are expressed and have frequently been offended by the way some on the list express themselves. I am glad you spoke out.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:21:18 -0700       "John L. Speller" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs > > > I believe Ruth Barrett was LP's mother. Dame Gillian > > Weir was his wife. > > No. Ruth Barren was his first wife, Dame Gillian was his second. >     No - Dame Gillian was his third, that I know of. There was one in betwee Ruth and Gillian, whose name I have forgotten, and who was, I believe, a nurse.   She was here with Larry in the Napa Valley when he came to work on the tonal finishing of the Casavant here at Pacific Union College.   Del W. Case  
(back) Subject: Organs and laptops From: "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:01:31 -0800   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3128454092_5556209 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   On 2/18/03 6:18 PM, Jim Hailey said something about:   > The neat thing about these models is that you can connect a laptop > and actually voice them, change the stops and really make them fit the > acoustics of your church.   What software, exactly, does a person need on a laptop in order to make these great changes to an organ? How are these libraries acquired?   Eric -- does it also have auto-pilot? Can I finally sleep in, some = Sundays?     --B_3128454092_5556209 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Organs and laptops</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Espy Sans">On 2/18/03 6:18 PM, Jim Hailey said something = about:=3D <BR> <BR> &gt; The neat thing about these models is that you can connect a = laptop<BR> &gt; and actually voice them, change the stops and really make them fit = the=3D <BR> &gt; acoustics of your church. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> What software, exactly, does a person need on a laptop in order to make = the=3D se great changes to an organ? How &nbsp;are these libraries acquired?<BR> <BR> Eric -- does it also have auto-pilot? Can I finally sleep in, some = Sundays?=3D <BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3128454092_5556209--    
(back) Subject: Re: French Organs From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:07:19 +0000     Having travelled fairly widely in France and played many organs by = Cavaille Coll I can only say that apart from the Amercian Cathedral in Paris (if it =   is still there) I have never played a bad one. They are a bit like french food - possibly an acquired taste and maybe you need to like garlic, (essential provided it is not overdone) - but they are of first rate quality, with invariably superb sounds and terrific character. From the smallest to the largest they are magnificent, to my experience equalled = only by the great English builders of the time, Willis, Hill, Harrison and Walker. (Earlier English builders were equally great, as were earlier = French ones.) Youth seems to get carried away at times - patronising old age speaking here - but keep an open mind. Listen. Maybe you'll grow up. The first time I heard Lionel Rogg play Couperin at the Royal Festival Hall I thought he had got the rhythm all wrong - then I learned about "notes inegales" and realised I'd got it all wrong. John Foss www.johnfoss.gr     www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ for Practice From: "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:01:26 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0030_01C2D7F5.7BD7E120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   What part of London Eliot?   Alan Taylor ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Eliot Hunter=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:54 AM Subject: Organ for Practice     I'm an organ student in London and I've problems trying to find an =3D organ to practise on here. Does anyone have any idea where I should turn = =3D for help?   Eliot             -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D ----- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that =3D fits your needs   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0030_01C2D7F5.7BD7E120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>What part of London Eliot?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Alan Taylor</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Deliothunter@yahoo.co.uk =3D href=3D3D"mailto:eliothunter@yahoo.co.uk">Eliot=3D20 Hunter</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, = =3D 2003 12:54=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Organ for =3D Practice</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I'm an organ student in London and I've problems trying to find an = =3D organ to=3D20 practise on here. Does anyone have any idea where I should turn for =3D help?</P> <P>Eliot</P> <P> <P><BR> <HR SIZE=3D3D1> <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/m= =3D ail_storage.html"><B><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox = -- =3D choose a=3D20 size that fits your =3D needs</FONT></B></A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0030_01C2D7F5.7BD7E120--