PipeChat Digest #3482 - Thursday, February 20, 2003
 
RE: Organs and laptops
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
RE: Allegedly "useless" stops (and preparations)
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Organ  Thursday
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Peasant  music
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: (Playing) Huge Church organs
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
RE: French Organs
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
New email address - TEST
  by "Paul Austin" <echogamba@ntlworld.com>
Re: Jewish organists
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
Re: Digital bashing
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Staying on topic
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Organs and laptops From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:03:27 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0040_01C2D85A.5979DC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Organs and laptopsOrgans and laptops? Look folks, do what you may, but PLEASE don't ask me to help configure and support PCMCIA cards on EITHER = of those things under Windows NT, natively! >:-{)}   (Ok, that was an obscure joke, but any of you who are geeks and support people will get it just perfectly...I've just had one hell of a day at work!) -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Eric McKirdy Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:02 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Organs and laptops     On 2/18/03 6:18 PM, Jim Hailey said something about:   > The neat thing about these models is that you can connect a laptop > and actually voice them, change the stops and really make them fit the > acoustics of your church.   What software, exactly, does a person need on a laptop in order to make these great changes to an organ? How are these libraries acquired?   Eric -- does it also have auto-pilot? Can I finally sleep in, some Sundays?   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0040_01C2D85A.5979DC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Organs and laptops</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D579460003-20022003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Organs=3D20 and laptops?&nbsp; Look folks, do what you may, but PLEASE don't ask me = =3D to help=3D20 configure and support PCMCIA cards on EITHER of those things under =3D Windows NT,=3D20 natively!&nbsp; &gt;:-{)}&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D579460003-20022003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D579460003-20022003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>(Ok,=3D20 that was an obscure joke, but any of you who are geeks and support =3D people will=3D20 get it just perfectly...I've just had one hell of a day at = work!)&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Eric =3D McKirdy<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D20 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =3D PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B>=3D20 Organs and laptops<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Espy Sans">On =3D 2/18/03 6:18=3D20 PM, Jim Hailey said something about:<BR><BR>&gt; The neat thing about = =3D these=3D20 models is that you can connect a laptop<BR>&gt; and actually voice =3D them,=3D20 change the stops and really make them fit the<BR>&gt; acoustics of =3D your=3D20 church. &nbsp;<BR><BR>What software, exactly, does a person need on a = =3D laptop=3D20 in order to make these great changes to an organ? How &nbsp;are = these=3D20 libraries acquired?<BR><BR>Eric -- does it also have auto-pilot? Can I = =3D finally=3D20 sleep in, some Sundays?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0040_01C2D85A.5979DC90--      
(back) Subject: RE: Allegedly "useless" stops (and preparations) From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:42:45 -0600   Mark:   You might have heard the "new" E.M. Skinner that became St. James's main organ about that time, having been moved from the opera house down the river. There are some bits and pieces of the Austin left, as well as a new antiphonal division by Bradford -- who did the whole job -- at the rear of the nave. The Austin was not likely the source of "wonderful sound," IMHO.   Peter   =20   -----Original Message----- From: Mark & Cinda Towne [mailto:mstowne@concentric.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:57 AM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Allegedly "useless" stops (and preparations)   Hi Bob,   As of 1999, the organ is still there. I was there for Sunday service in early January of that year just after a massive snow storm hit Chicago. Wonderful sound.   Mark S. Towne Las Vegas, NV (anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 53-rank von Beckerath at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas)   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of lindr@cch.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:20 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Allegedly "useless" stops (and preparations)               I'm an organist who hasn't played every proper stop in the world, and I'm wondering about two things in this post.   What is a Cornet Separe? Is it like a mounted cornet? Don't many Cornets that are proper examples of their kind have Principals, not Flutes, for their 4', 2 2/3', 2', 1/35' ranks? Seems I've played many an unsuccessful Cornet that failed because it was made up of poopy flutes that couldn't cut the mustard, if I may mix some metaphors.   As to Gemshorns and their celestes, I loved the one on the 1920 Austin at St. James Cathedral, Chicago, where I labored for 6 years as a young man. It was (and I hope it's still there) one of the finest sounds on an instrument that was truly in need of anything exemplary it could lay claim to. I've often preferred a Gemshorn and celeste to a rival Salicional, Viole, and/or Gamba. I guess I'm talking about American instruments built before 1970. Perhaps builders today are so savvy in their production of gorgeous string tone that Gemshorns can be mocked and derided, poor things. Rotten as they may be, I'm sure I've seen literature for which a Gemshorn has expressly been listed for suggested registration. And if not, the next time I write a piece of slush, I'm going to put it in, so that in some small way I might help justify its existence.   Bob Lind     TubaMagna writes: The literature tells us what stops go where. Yet people still continue to put lonely 1-1/3' Larigots in the Swell, along with 4' Oboes. They specify a 2' Principal in the middle of a mutation series, disrupting (and preventing) a Cornet Separe. The only undulant is a   Gemshorn Celeste, for which there is no literature written.         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Organ Thursday From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:12:09 -0400   Tomororw on CBC Radio 2 at 12:45 Eastern time, not Atlantic If you can get CBC RADIO TWO - you might hear part of Joan Lippincott's Concert tomorrow around 12:45 pm. (on Take Five Organ Thursday) The Organ will be the New Letourneau at St. Georges Anglican(ROUND = )Church in Halifax it can be heard via Real Audio link on the cbc site http://www.cbc.ca/audio.html     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: Peasant music From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:49:53 EST     --part1_16f.1ae6b0df.2b852bd1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/18/03 7:39:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:     > I suppose there is something good to be said about the > French. You always know that you are dealing with > peasants! >   Geez... I can't resist. I'm reminded of the British news commentator's remark when it was announced that breeding pitbull dogs was no longer = legal in England (or UK) and that the pitbull breeders were now moving to = France.   "Oh great!" he said. "Now pit bulls will not only be mean, they'll be = rude, too!"   ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_16f.1ae6b0df.2b852bd1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/18/0=3D 3 7:39:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I suppose there is = somethin=3D g good to be said about the <BR>French. You always know that you are dealing with <BR>peasants! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Geez... I can't resist. &nbsp;&nbsp;I'm reminded of the British news = com=3D mentator's remark when it was announced that breeding pitbull dogs was no = lo=3D nger legal in England (or UK) and that the pitbull breeders were now = moving=3D20=3D to France. <BR> <BR>"Oh great!" he said. &nbsp;&nbsp;"Now pit bulls will not only be mean, = t=3D hey'll be rude, too!" &nbsp; <BR> <BR>;-)=3D20 <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_16f.1ae6b0df.2b852bd1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: (Playing) Huge Church organs From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:32:45 -0800 (PST)   Dear Bill - As long as we're on the subject, how does an ordinary person like me get = to play the big LDS organs in Salt Lake? I'm organist for my LDS ward in Sacramento, and would = love to play either. I may possibly be in Salt Lake City in August.   David Carter In Rainy Sacramento   --- OrganMD@aol.com wrote: > Hi...... > > As one that lives in Salt Lake City, has played the Skinner in the Salt = Lake > Tabernacle, the new Schoenstein at the LDS Conference Center, the large > Austin at St. Joseph's Cathedral in Hartford and many other large > instruments, I agree that big is OK! > > With that said, have you selected a builder yet? Just curious. > > Good luck with what sounds like a very exciting project. > > Sincerely, > > Bill Hesterman >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: French Organs From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:16:42 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   ----- Original Message ----- From: John Foss <harfo32@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: French Organs     > Having travelled fairly widely in France and played many organs by Cavaille > Coll I can only say that apart from the Amercian Cathedral in Paris (if = it > is still there) I have never played a bad one. They are a bit like = french > food - possibly an acquired taste and maybe you need to like garlic, > (essential provided it is not overdone) - but they are of first rate > quality, with invariably superb sounds and terrific character.   Amen! But it's important to hear (play) the right literature on them. Pre 1800 including Bach i.e. don't sound the best at these instruments. My father said "Bach doesn't feel happy on that CC, and the CC didn't feel happy = with Bach" (at the BacHaendel Organ Festival 1985 in Caracas)   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: New email address - TEST From: "Paul Austin" <echogamba@ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:36:20 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C2D85E.F10D6EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello all,   I have this morning changed ISP and have registered this email address =3D with pipechat, but have so far recieved NO emails from the list.   This email is to inform any chatters who know me that I have a new email = =3D address, and secondly to make sure that I am registered on the list.   Forgive this off topic email.   Paul echogamba@ntlworld.com       ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C2D85E.F10D6EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have this morning changed ISP and = =3D have registered=3D20 this email address with pipechat, but have so far recieved NO emails =3D from the=3D20 list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This email is to inform any chatters = =3D who know me=3D20 that I have a new email address, and secondly to make sure that I am =3D registered=3D20 on the list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Forgive this off topic =3D email.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>echogamba@ntlworld.com</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C2D85E.F10D6EB0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organists From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:06:00 -0800 (PST)   At one time, Alexander Schreiner (Mormon Tabernacle organist) was organist = at a large Synagogue in Los Angeles.   David Carter --- Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hello, > > As I suspected, the Jewish Organ Music thread did not > yield a fabulous chest of unknown organ treasures. > > What then of celebrated Jewish Organists? > > The only one I came across was Caleb Jarvis, who was > the Civic Organist at St.George's Hall, Liverpool, > here in the UK. > > He was a particularly fine musician. > > Being a group of people who attach great importance to > achievement and education, there must be many, many > more surely? > > Regards, > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:08:20 EST     --part1_1e7.267f077.2b853024_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/18/03 8:46:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:     > I obviously love pipe organs more than any other, but > how many people are intrigued by the astonishing > achievements of digital instrument makers in the past > three decades or so? >   Not me!! As Rhett Butler so aptly put it... "Frankly, my dear, .... "     > Make no mistake, the digital organ manufacturers have > made enormous strides and now seem to be producing > quite worthy instruments musically. >   Yup! Seem to be...... but they're just machines, not beautiful works = of art, pleasing to the eye as well as the ear (and fingers).   > ... there are days when I practise French > romantic repertoire and long for a big French sound at > the flick of a switch, or a big Steinmeyer for Reger. >   ..... in which case I would suggest finding one or something close to = play. I could not settle for an imitation. It would not be gratifying to me.   > What they do, they do increasingly well....that is > integrity! Allen were, after all, serious enough > about getting it right, that they had Larry Phelps on > board. > I remember that period of Allen's work and found little evidence that they =   were paying any attention to him; in fact, there were things being done = that were amazingly unorgan like.     > We are fortunate that, in this day and age, we can > have practise organs at our disposal which sound good > and do not require a seperate organ-house.   I would be happier with a one-rank, 61 pipe Principal for practice, that = with a 4m imitation. Even when seated at a 44 rank instrument, I get most of = my practicing done on that one blessed sound!   To paraphrase Patrick Henry: Give me pipes... or don't give!! ;-)     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1e7.267f077.2b853024_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/18/0=3D 3 8:46:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I obviously love pipe = organ=3D s more than any other, but <BR>how many people are intrigued by the astonishing <BR>achievements of digital instrument makers in the past <BR>three decades or so? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">Not me!! &nbsp;&nbsp;As Rhett Butler so aptly put it... = "Fra=3D nkly, my dear, .... " <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Make no = mistake=3D , the digital organ manufacturers have <BR>made enormous strides and now seem to be producing <BR>quite worthy instruments musically. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">Yup! &nbsp;&nbsp;Seem to be...... = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;bu=3D t they're just machines, not beautiful works of art, pleasing to the eye = as=3D20=3D well as the ear (and fingers). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">... there are d=3D ays when I practise French <BR>romantic repertoire and long for a big French sound at <BR>the flick of a switch, or a big Steinmeyer for Reger. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">.... in which case I would suggest finding one or = something=3D20=3D close to play. &nbsp;I could not settle for an imitation. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D It would not be gratifying to me. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What they do, = t=3D hey do increasingly well....that is <BR>integrity! &nbsp;Allen were, after all, serious enough <BR>about getting it right, that they had Larry Phelps on <BR>board. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>I remember that period of Allen's work and found little evidence that = th=3D ey were paying any attention to him; in fact, there were things being done = t=3D hat were amazingly unorgan like. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We are = fortunat=3D e that, in this day and age, we can <BR>have practise organs at our disposal which sound good <BR>and do not require a seperate organ-house.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000=3D " SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>I would be happier with a one-rank, 61 pipe Principal for practice, = that=3D with a 4m imitation. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Even when seated at a 44 rank = instru=3D ment, I get most of my practicing done on that one blessed sound! <BR> <BR>To paraphrase Patrick Henry: &nbsp;&nbsp;Give me pipes... or don't = give!=3D ! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e7.267f077.2b853024_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:14:20 EST     --part1_9c.2dfb4c45.2b85318c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/18/03 8:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca writes:     > My church owns a digital instrument (it happens to be an Allen > Renaissance) because it would be impossible for us to house a pipe > organ without extensive structural changes to the building. Would I > prefer a wonderful pipe organ? Yes! Is it practical for our church? > Unfortunately, no. Why, though, should I feel like a "second-class > citizen" when I read postings to a list that advertises itself as > discussing both pipe and digital organs? >   As Bette Davis (aka Baby Jane) said: "But Blanch, YOU ARE!" (or at least your organ is!! ;-) )....   For me, aside from the obvious fact that I'm not the least bit interested, =   the problem with discussing digital instruments, is that there is almost nothing to discuss unless you're really turned on by diodes and = transistors, etc. They have no facade (unless it's fake pipes), their sounds are = judged in comparison to pipes, installation is generally a matter of putting = boxes into a room, and the only striking aspect is a glitzy console, which is = not my favorite part of an organ. Size seems to be the primary strong = point!       Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_9c.2dfb4c45.2b85318c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/18/0=3D 3 8:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My church owns a digital = in=3D strument (it happens to be an Allen=3D20 <BR>Renaissance) because it would be impossible for us to house a = pipe=3D20 <BR>organ without extensive structural changes to the building. Would = I=3D20 <BR>prefer a wonderful pipe organ? Yes! Is it practical for our = church?=3D20 <BR>Unfortunately, no. Why, though, should I feel like a = "second-class=3D20 <BR>citizen" when I read postings to a list that advertises itself as=3D20 <BR>discussing both pipe and digital organs? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>As Bette Davis (aka Baby Jane) said: &nbsp;&nbsp;"But Blanch, YOU = ARE!"=3D20=3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>(or at least your organ is!! &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;).... <BR> <BR>For me, aside from the obvious fact that I'm not the least bit = intereste=3D d, the problem with discussing digital instruments, is that there is = almost=3D20=3D nothing to discuss unless you're really turned on by diodes and = transistors,=3D etc. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They have no facade (unless it's fake pipes), = their=3D20=3D sounds are judged in comparison to pipes, installation is generally a = matter=3D of putting boxes into a room, and the only striking aspect is a glitzy = cons=3D ole, which is not my favorite part of an organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Size = seems=3D to be the primary strong point! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_9c.2dfb4c45.2b85318c_boundary--