PipeChat Digest #3484 - Thursday, February 20, 2003
 
Re: Jewish organists
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Staying on topic
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: "Celestes"+ French organ & music rant
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Peasant  music
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Staying on topic
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Casavant Opus 3819 Install (X-post)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Staying on topic
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Staying on topic
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3481 - 02/20/03
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Lighter and irreverent Organ History of Venezuela 01
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Jewish organists
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Organs and laptops
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Peasant  music
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Peasant  music
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Huge Church Organs
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Corrections to Ron Severin's Email
  by "AJ" <AJ1995@cox.net>
Re: Peasant  music
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organists From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:00:15 +1300   >At one time, Alexander Schreiner (Mormon Tabernacle organist) was = organist at a large Synagogue in >Los Angeles.   But I believe he was originally Lutheran. Lutheran to Jewish to Mormon: = what a weird spiritual journey! We used to correspond, back in the early 1960s. He was a very kindly man, I believe.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:06:20 +1300   An organbuilder friend of mine always says you know that electroids are inferior because their makers and supporters say they sound like real pipe organs. He says that when pipe organ supporters and makers say their instruments sound like real electronics, then you will know that something worthwhile has been achieved.   We hear a lot about digital thievery and supposed imitation of ranks of pipes. I've never heard of any pipemaker and voicer doing their damndest = to copy electronic sounds. As my experience is clearly limited, living here = at the bottom of the South Pacific, the next land mass south being the Antarctic, could someone tell me if American pipe organ enthusiasts and makers do in fact hold seminars and research studies to try to imitate the sounds that electroids make?   Deliberately naively, Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: "Celestes"+ French organ & music rant From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:34:58 -0500   > I'd like to thank Ross for speaking up regarding Gregory's rant.   And with a cultured gentleman's civility.   If you were a BBS sysop in those golden early 90s, when the Internet was elitist and everyone who had more brains than funds held forth on = thousands of local boards, you'd wade through page after page of juveniles' missives in a similar style, as oft as not addressed to their best friends. I assume, on the basis of this experience, that he is a kid and will eventually grow up, hopefully with rhetoric developed and love of organ music intact. Without encouraging such composition (everything that it ardently defends French organs against being), I'm thankful meanwhile-- speaking of wild animals-- that we're not all gray panthers here. We were young once, right?      
(back) Subject: RE: Peasant music From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:39:19 -0500   Colin writes:   > Hello,   > Nuclear is better!   > ;-)   Our esteemed pResident would make that "Nucular" :-/   Paul    
(back) Subject: RE: Staying on topic From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:42:33 -0500   Ross asks:   > could someone tell me if American pipe organ enthusiasts and makers do = in fact hold seminars and research studies to try to imitate the sounds that electroids make?   No, but they occasionally succeed anyway.      
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant Opus 3819 Install (X-post) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:44:28 -0500   On 2/19/03 10:15 PM, "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> wrote:   > I have a photo album of pictures taken over the past two weeks   Douglas:   Happy JOY! I had the delight of assisting Paul Fritts' father in the installation of a 44-rank Casavant in about 1953. What fun! Thanks for = the fine photos.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:55:10 EST     --part1_65.a9732d6.2b869aae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Ross again:   On the one hand, only a pipe organ will do, but if it's too big in your estimation then half belongs to the poor. Some poor parishes make do with an electronic organ until they can afford pipes if ever. In the meantime they are made fun of because they like fine music, and good liturgies, but can't just seem to come up with enough cash for the real thing. IMHO you need to reassess your logic. It seems that they are expected to just do without until their ship comes in. When will that be, no one knows? They are poor, and around we go again. Good stewardship must maintain a balance. Nobody knows that better than the poor.   Ron Severin   --part1_65.a9732d6.2b869aae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Ross again:<BR> <BR> On the one hand, only a pipe organ will do, but if it's too big<BR> in your estimation then half belongs to the poor. Some poor<BR> parishes make do with an electronic organ until they can afford<BR> pipes if ever. In the meantime they are made fun of because<BR> they like fine music, and good liturgies, but can't just seem to<BR> come up with enough cash for the real thing. IMHO you need to<BR> reassess your logic. It seems that they are expected to just do<BR> without until their ship comes in. When will that be, no one knows?<BR> They are poor, and around we go again. Good stewardship must<BR> maintain a balance. Nobody knows that better than the poor.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_65.a9732d6.2b869aae_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:55:26 -0600   Well Ross,   We do however know of many, many pipemakers and voicers who copy and, yes, steal ideas, from each other. In fact, Austin used to say that he didn't care about patents because by the time that other organbuilders stole his ideas, he'd be on to newer things anyway! So imitation in the organ world is not confined to "digital thievery".   And of course pipemakers have been "stealing" tonal ideas from other instruments since the very beginning of organbuilding. But somehow that is... well different and perhaps even sacred inspiration, not at all like those nasty electronic people.   It's also interesting that the concern about digital thievery seems to grow in direct relationship to the increasing quality of the sounds imitated thereby.   And no, a resounding no, I do not think that digitals are as good as the best pipes, I do not think that digitals should replace the pipe organ. But the rhetoric about the evil digital organbuilders is honestly wearing a bit thin!   TTFN, Russ Greene   On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > We hear a lot about digital thievery and supposed imitation of ranks of > pipes. I've never heard of any pipemaker and voicer doing their > damndest to > copy electronic sounds.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3481 - 02/20/03 From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:02:25 +0000   Good evening. I have got a bit confused between Beau and Greg but one of you said " French celestes sound like frying bacon!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? Too much reverb? 1000 lions roaring?" and there was quite a lot in similar vein. = Now language changes with time, but I don't think this is complimentary, is = it? I love fried bacon for breakfast - and maybe I have totally misunderstood your comments. Lions roaring sound magnificent provided they are not = staring in my direction with a hungry look in their eye. I brought in the question =   of age purely because some people - not everyone by any means - acquire knowledge as they grow older and maybe their views are modified and their tastes change. I might quote Maurice Forsyth Grant on this who said that "hearing Helmut Walcha play for a Confirmation Service was like St Paul on =   the Road to Damascus." His views on organs and organ sounds changed completely and from then on he was determined to build tracker action instruments, which he did. Some of them are excellent. (though the = materials used in their construction could be "experimental", and having built up = one of the largest electronic companies in Britain (RACAL - now VODAPHONE) his =   views were occasionally temepered by economics!) I don't think it was Beau who went OTT, in my view - so it wasn't you I = was criticising - I don't think. But, as I said, I lost track of who's who! That's old age for you. Confusion and forgetfulness creep in :) (though I have several young children as students - including a 2 year old and two very clever 6 year olds - so I hope I haven't lost touch with youth altogether!)   John Foss   The seventh commandment is "Thou shalt not admit adultery" Modern Greek translation. www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Lighter and irreverent Organ History of Venezuela 01 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:05:16 -0500   On 2/20/03 12:03 PM, "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote:   > French > filibustiers came and burned down everything "shooting their pistols at t= he > crucifixes and holy images and tearing the new books to shreads and > snipples" as state the records. That was a revenge to the massacre that w= as > done to the Hugonots in Florida.   Andr=E9s: Fascinating account. I look forward to further installments. I'm curious about the above sentences. It's too long since I read about the massacre of the Huguenots in Florida, and I don't even know where to LOOK for information on it at the moment.   I would GUESS that if the Spanish massacred the Huguenots in Florida, the French would be HAPPY about it, because the French were big on beating up o= n Huguenots themselves. (Remember St. Bartholomew's Eve?) Surely these French filibusters were Roman Catholics? I think I'm confused.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organists From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:16:50 EST     --part1_1a1.111a3477.2b869fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi David:   Alexander Schreiner also played for First Baptist in L.A. too. A big Kimball organ, slightly or much altered by Clarence Mader. He was seeking to make the organ more in line with organ reform, which failed miserably. It's to be rebuilt soon. Perhaps Weston Harris can fill in the gaps on this one. IIRC Virgil Fox also played there for a while. Audrey Jacobsen within the last ten years also played there. She also had the distinction of being the only paid organist in Paris at the American Cathedral on their Cavaille Coll.   Ron Severin   --part1_1a1.111a3477.2b869fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi David:<BR> <BR> Alexander Schreiner also played for First Baptist in L.A. too.<BR> A big Kimball organ, slightly or much altered by Clarence<BR> Mader. He was seeking to make the organ more in line<BR> with organ reform, which failed miserably. It's to be rebuilt soon.<BR> Perhaps Weston Harris can fill in the gaps on this one. IIRC<BR> Virgil Fox also played there for a while. Audrey Jacobsen<BR> within the last ten years also played there. She also had the<BR> distinction of being the only paid organist in Paris at the <BR> American Cathedral on their Cavaille Coll.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a1.111a3477.2b869fc2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs and laptops From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:39:05 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Just imagine......breakfast in bed, Sunday paper, cup of coffee, then "with you in a moment dear, I just have to accompany a hymn!"   I approve!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- Eric McKirdy <eric@jazzyeric.com> wrote: > On 2/18/03 6:18 PM, Jim Hailey said something about: >   > What software, exactly, does a person need on a > laptop in order to make > these great changes to an organ? How are these > libraries acquired? > > Eric -- does it also have auto-pilot? Can I finally > sleep in, some Sundays? > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Peasant music From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:50:21 +0000 (GMT)   Hello and goodbye!   KERBOOM!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK --- "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: > Our fearless leader say's nukular -- get it right > Mitchell! >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Peasant music From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:00:48 -0600   Wot -- no music?   -----Original Message----- From: Colin Mitchell [mailto:cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:50 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Peasant music   Hello and goodbye!   KERBOOM!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK --- "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: > Our fearless leader says nukular -- get it right > Mitchell! > =20   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Huge Church Organs From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:03:14 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Paul is absolutely right and I agree with him!   So can anyone explain why the organ of Leeds Parish Church, Yorkhire, UK sounds so absolutely wonderful in what must be the worst acoustic in this island nation of ours?   I have heard some of the best performers in the world perform on this stupendous Harrison & Harrison mongrel instrument, (with bits of Abbot & Smith, Schulze, Hill and recent additions) and I have been thrilled by it.   In fact, hearing Germani, Ropek, Jane Parker-Smith, Francis Jackson, Melville Cook and Langlais remain the organ highlights of my life....in an acoustic which just dies immediately!   Regards,   Colin Mitchel UK       --- "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: >   > It has been said that the acoustic is an organ's > most important stop.   > However, if the building > is not reverberant, the effect isn't what one would > make much of a > pilgrimage to go hear ......   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Corrections to Ron Severin's Email From: "AJ" <AJ1995@cox.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:03:49 -0800       Dear PipeChat group,   I must correct some statements made by my good friend, Ron Severin.   1. I was never the organist at the American Cathedral in Paris. However, I was the organist-director of the Anglican Church of the British Embassy in Paris. That church had a superb three-manual, Cavaille-Coll organ.   2. Re. my tenure at First Baptist Church of Los Angeles. I was organist at that magnificent church for 16 years - from 1978 to 1994.   3. To my knowledge, Clarence Mader did not have any connection with the additions to the Kimball organ at First Baptist Church. Instead, it was the very fine Los Angeles organ builder, Ken Simpson, who was responsible for that work.   4. Virgil Fox was never organist at First Baptist Church of Los Angeles.   5. I have never heard of Alexander Schreiner being organist of First Baptist Church of Los Angeles. He was connected with UCLA, however.     Audrey Jacobsen       RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi David: > > Alexander Schreiner also played for First Baptist in L.A. too. > A big Kimball organ, slightly or much altered by Clarence > Mader. He was seeking to make the organ more in line > with organ reform, which failed miserably. It's to be rebuilt soon. > Perhaps Weston Harris can fill in the gaps on this one. IIRC > Virgil Fox also played there for a while. Audrey Jacobsen > within the last ten years also played there. She also had the > distinction of being the only paid organist in Paris at the > American Cathedral on their Cavaille Coll. > > Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Peasant music From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:12:52 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I must qualify my comment about the French being peasants.   It was a comment made by a German history student from the Goethe Institute.   I have laughed about it ever since!   Just thought I'd share!   I once had a big, very aggressive Poodle which worried small children, growled at horses and bit other dogs.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   Vive les Frog!   PS: "The French and English have been such terrible enemies over the centuries, they cannot afford to be anything other than good friends" Peter Ustinov.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:35:31 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2D906.77584560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     Digital bashing is always fun, because it always draws attention to =3D the digital contributions to the modern organ.=3D20 The purists "poo-poo" the digital organ or anything remotely digital =3D added to an existing pipe organ, affectionately referring to the digital = =3D as "fake" or "artificial".=3D20   I am presently involved in an organ committee looking at the =3D possibility of enlarging their existing mid 50's vintage Moller organ. =3D Their budget went from a reasonable $125,000 to an extreme $300,000. The = =3D final specification was ambitious, but not based on reality. Even if the = =3D congregation could come up with $300,000 they felt it would be better =3D spent on other"worthwhile" things like a new roof, black-top parking =3D lot, etc. Although a pipe organ was not low on their list of priorities, = =3D real life necessities got in the way.=3D20   Eventually, the organist, who was a purist, quit in disgust. The =3D church committee has been floundering in a sea of indecision. So what is = =3D better, Half of something, or a whole of nothing. So far, the church has = =3D a whole of nothing. Some of you may feel this is OK, since holding out =3D for the best may yield something. In this real life scenario, holding =3D out resulted in nothing.=3D20   I for one, am a realist. Unfortunately, I am steeped in the age old =3D tradition of having learned to live within my means. I feel the same =3D way when spending someone else's money. Sure, Fake or Artificial is not = =3D as good as real. A real Carroll Shelby 1965 AC 427 Cobra sells for =3D $250,000 , and the visually identical "replicars" can be had for $30,000 = =3D to $50,000. Which one would I rather have? Of course, the real one. =3D Which one can I afford ?=3D20   Of course, the comparison between Carroll Shelby AC Cobra's and pipe =3D organs is stupid. But to make a point, many, many more people ENJOY the = =3D "fake" , "artificial" replica , with its limitations, than could ever =3D afford a real one. Same with a pipe organ. I hate that electronic sound = =3D with a passion. The lifeless artificial buzzing or sterile monotone of =3D most digital organs is offensive. However, I advocated to the church =3D committee that I was a member of ,that they forego the "pleasure" of =3D having an expensive, space and wind consuming, pedal division and =3D replace it with a digital pedal division. I recommended that the space =3D savings (as well as the money) would be better spent on real organ pipes = =3D of brilliant upper work and colorful solo reeds (none of which seem to = =3D be able to be done digitally). Of course, the "purist" resident =3D organist, carried more weight in all of this. As a result, the committee = =3D decided that in fact $300,000 was more than they wanted to spend on an =3D organ, as the money would be better spent on "needy" needs. So, for the = =3D last three years, we have nothing.=3D20   The "purists" were even successful in polluting the minds of the =3D church committee by suggesting that it would be a travesty to even =3D suggest that they "mix and match" real lead, lead/tin or wooden organ =3D pipes of different organ builders. This hybrid "junk heap" would be a =3D conglomerate of everything and nothing. They might wonder at the =3D successful outcome of Wanamaker, West Point and maybe even Crystal =3D Cathedral. In the infamous words of E.Power Biggs standing in front of a = =3D Mighty Wurlitzer - "At least it has pipes" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Antoni Scott   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2D906.77584560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Digital bashing is always fun, because it always = =3D draws=3D20 attention to the digital contributions to the modern organ.=3D20 </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">The purists</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D3D2> =3D "poo-poo" the=3D20 digital organ or anything remotely digital added to an existing pipe =3D organ,=3D20 affectionately referring to the digital as "fake" or "artificial".=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I am presently involved in an organ committee =3D looking at=3D20 the possibility of enlarging their existing mid 50's vintage Moller =3D organ.=3D20 Their budget went from a reasonable $125,000 to an extreme $300,000. =3D The final=3D20 specification was ambitious, but not based on reality. 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In this real life scenario, holding out = =3D resulted=3D20 in nothing. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I for one, am a realist. Unfortunately, &nbsp;I = =3D am steeped=3D20 in the age old tradition of having learned to &nbsp;live within my =3D means. I=3D20 feel the same way when spending someone else's money. Sure, =3D Fake&nbsp;or=3D20 Artificial is not as good as real. A real Carroll Shelby 1965 AC 427 =3D Cobra=3D20 sells for $250,000 , and the visually identical "replicars" can be had = =3D for=3D20 $30,000 to $50,000. Which one would I rather have? Of course, the real = =3D one.=3D20 Which one can I afford ? </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Of course, the comparison between Carroll Shelby = =3D AC Cobra's=3D20 and pipe organs is stupid. But to make a point, many, many more people = =3D ENJOY=3D20 the "fake" , "artificial" replica , with its limitations, than could =3D ever=3D20 afford a real one. Same with a pipe organ. I hate that electronic =3D sound with a=3D20 passion. The lifeless artificial buzzing or sterile monotone of most =3D digital=3D20 organs is offensive. However, I advocated to the church committee that = =3D &nbsp;I=3D20 was a member of ,that they forego the "pleasure" of having an =3D expensive, space=3D20 and wind consuming, pedal division and replace it with a digital pedal = =3D   division. I recommended that the space savings (as well as the money) = =3D would be=3D20 better spent on real organ pipes of &nbsp;brilliant upper work and =3D colorful=3D20 solo reeds (none of which seem to be able to be done digitally). Of =3D course,=3D20 the "purist" resident organist, carried more weight in all of this. As = =3D a=3D20 result, the committee decided that in fact $300,000 was more than they = =3D wanted=3D20 to spend on an organ, as the money would be better spent on "needy" =3D needs. So,=3D20 for the last three years, we have nothing. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">The "purists" were even successful in =3D &nbsp;polluting=3D20 &nbsp;the minds of the church committee by suggesting that it would be = =3D a=3D20 travesty to even suggest that they "mix and match" real lead, lead/tin = =3D or=3D20 wooden organ pipes of different organ builders. This hybrid "junk =3D heap" would=3D20 be a conglomerate of everything and nothing. They might wonder at = the=3D20 successful outcome of Wanamaker, West Point and maybe even Crystal =3D Cathedral.=3D20 In the infamous words of E.Power Biggs standing in front of a = Mighty=3D20 Wurlitzer&nbsp;&nbsp; - "At least it has pipes"=3D20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Antoni =3D Scott</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2D906.77584560--