PipeChat Digest #3487 - Friday, February 21, 2003
 
Re: Digital bashing
  by <KJW6311@aol.com>
RE: Digital bashing
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: <KJW6311@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:12:44 EST     --part1_16c.1af89baa.2b870f4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Isn't the real issue the sound? Whether from pushing air through a tube = or by means of digital wizardry, the sound is what counts. Music first, = folks!   Granted most pipeless organs leave a lot to be desired there is one = builder (the largest builder of classical organs in the world -pipe and pipless combined) who has gotten it right. It would be wise to not condemn that which is unfamiliar. Go hear a recent installation (a proper installation = is important for any instrument). Don't like the krumhorn? Have it easily changed to a 'cromorne' or another from a menu of choices. Skinner or Cavaille-Coll? Too much wind noise in the 16' Diapason? Have it taken out-some pipes or all. Tune each rank of a mixture for optimum blend and musicality? Not a problem. I would rather play a 15 stop instrument of =   this design any day than the glued together 15 rank pipe organ that I = play. It spits at you, doesn't hold tune, needs releathering (the parts that = still contain leather) it fails at leading the assembly to its fullest potential =   and so much for trumpet tunes. The raucous sound is so uneven and brash = it has turned many of our folks off from organ music in favor of piano and guitar. I hate it. Our technicians actually said we would be better off with a good electronic (I wonder if they are aware of the digital age that =   has been here for some time already). The fact remains that most pipe = organs I encounter are much like this one. Hail to the great instruments and the =   builders who brought them into existence. However, these are not the norm =   and in this day and age an informed person/committee cannot so easily = dismiss the reality, practicality and musical integrity of some digital organs = which are proving to be superior to their 'wind in a tube' forerunners. In = truth, what you hear is a pipe organ. The pipes (that were cloned) just happen = to be somewhere else! Best of all? No releathering, tuning or routine maintenance!   Again, music first. What I cannot begin to understand is the love affair with Baroque museum reproductions with no expression or combination action =   for music making. Instead of being convinced that less is more dream a little bit. Bach was always pushing for improvements and tonal additions = to the builders he had contact with. I can only see him having 'a ball' at a =   modern organ! How would he have 'pushed the envelope' with his = composition and playing if he had access to an organ of today? How many advocates of these types of instruments still use horse-drawn transportation or light their homes with whale oil? I consider myself a 'purist' in the sense = that the sound be the best it can be. With no pipes? It is being done! A comfortable solid wood console, traditional controls, wooden key sticks = with adjustable action are also standard accessories! Go listen and make beautiful music instead of bashing the stereotypical 'fake.'   J.   --part1_16c.1af89baa.2b870f4c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Isn't the real issue the sound?&nbsp;&nbsp; = Whether fr=3D om pushing air through a tube or by means of digital wizardry, the sound = is=3D20=3D what counts.&nbsp; Music first, folks! <BR> <BR> Granted most pipeless organs leave a lot to be desired there is one = builder=3D20=3D (the largest builder of classical organs in the world -pipe and pipless = comb=3D ined) who has gotten it right.&nbsp; It would be wise to not condemn that = wh=3D ich is unfamiliar.&nbsp; Go hear a recent installation (a <U>proper</U> = inst=3D allation is important for any instrument).&nbsp; Don't like the = krumhorn?&nb=3D sp; Have it easily changed to a 'cromorne' or another from a menu of = choices=3D ..&nbsp; Skinner or Cavaille-Coll? Too much wind noise in the 16' Diapason?&n=3D bsp; Have it taken out-some pipes or all. Tune each rank of a mixture for = op=3D timum blend and musicality?&nbsp; Not a problem.&nbsp; I would rather play = a=3D 15&nbsp; stop&nbsp; instrument of this design any day than the glued = togeth=3D er 15 rank pipe organ that I play.&nbsp; It spits at you, doesn't hold = tune,=3D needs releathering (the parts that still contain leather) it fails at = leadi=3D ng the assembly to its fullest potential and so much for trumpet = tunes.&nbsp=3D ; The raucous sound is so uneven and brash it has turned many of our folks = o=3D ff from organ music in favor of piano and guitar.&nbsp; I hate it.&nbsp; = Our=3D technicians actually said we would be better off with a good electronic = (I=3D20=3D wonder if they are aware of the digital age that has been here for some = time=3D already).&nbsp; The fact remains that most pipe organs I encounter are = much=3D like this one.&nbsp; Hail to the great instruments and the builders who = bro=3D ught them into existence.&nbsp; However, these are not the norm and in = this=3D20=3D day and age an informed person/committee cannot so easily dismiss the = realit=3D y, practicality and musical integrity of <U>some</U> digital organs which = ar=3D e proving to be superior to their 'wind in a tube' forerunners.&nbsp; In = tru=3D th, what you hear is a pipe organ.&nbsp; The pipes (that were cloned) just = h=3D appen to be somewhere else!&nbsp; Best of all?&nbsp; No releathering, = tuning=3D or routine maintenance!&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Again, music first.&nbsp; What I cannot begin to understand is the love = affa=3D ir with Baroque museum reproductions with no expression or combination = actio=3D n for music making.&nbsp; Instead of being convinced that less is more = dream=3D a little bit.&nbsp; Bach was always pushing for improvements and tonal = addi=3D tions to the builders he had contact with.&nbsp; I can only see him having = '=3D a ball' at a modern organ!&nbsp; How would he have 'pushed the envelope' = wit=3D h his composition and playing if he had access to an organ of today?&nbsp; = H=3D ow many advocates of these types of instruments still use horse-drawn = transp=3D ortation or light their homes with whale oil?&nbsp; I consider myself a = 'pur=3D ist' in the sense that the sound be the best it can be. With no = pipes?&nbsp;=3D It is being done!&nbsp; A comfortable solid wood console, traditional = contr=3D ols, wooden key sticks with adjustable action are also standard = accessories!=3D &nbsp; Go listen and make beautiful music instead of bashing the = stereotypic=3D al&nbsp; 'fake.'&nbsp; <BR> <BR> J.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16c.1af89baa.2b870f4c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Digital bashing From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:27:50 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0034_01C2D940.10CD0080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   You know, I was musing about this topic earlier.....do you suppose that on piano lists, they debate over acoustic vs. electronic? Or on guitar = lists, acoustic vs. electric? Seriously, I wonder.... :-)   Jeff   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0034_01C2D940.10CD0080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4728.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060572606-21022003><FONT face=3D3DArial>You know, I = was =3D musing=3D20 about this topic earlier.....do you suppose that on piano lists, they =3D debate=3D20 over acoustic vs. electronic?&nbsp; Or on guitar lists, acoustic vs.=3D20 electric?&nbsp; Seriously, I wonder.... :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060572606-21022003><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060572606-21022003><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0034_01C2D940.10CD0080--    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:37:49 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0035_01C2D952.39C2AB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Long Suffering List,   The topic that should not dare to speak its name stays with us =3D relentlessly, and I fear I have been unable to resist responding to this = =3D particular posting!   When I was a student at Oberlin in the mid-50s, along with 44 other =3D Organ majors, if you can believe it, we were urged to take part in =3D meetings of the area AGO chapter - something good for town/gown =3D relationships. There was a talk-ful meeting one evening - no music was =3D played - and there was a topic and a speaker, neither of which I can =3D recall. I do remember the Allen salesman who was touting his wares as =3D any good salesman should, and I recall his response when we laughed at =3D him, student-like. "Well, you just wait until you are 'out in the field' = =3D and you will understand." We all said something rather like, "yea sure, = =3D when Hell freezes over." (Not Felix!) Well, here we are about 50 years =3D later, confronted again with the same sort of hectoring tone: "Music =3D first, folks!" We all know that, Mr. Unidentified Sir, and feel and =3D believe it fervently.   In entering into this discussion, I for some will need to declare my =3D conflict of interest, as one who works for a builder of Pipe Organs. =3D That being said, I must add that I do what I do out of profound =3D conviction. It is not a long drive from here to visit "the largest =3D builder of classical organs in the world -pipe and pipless combined) who = =3D has gotten it right." I think I could have convinced them of my winning = =3D personality, my ability to convince the doubters and get a signature on = =3D the dotted line, and this would have raised my income level =3D considerably, and I could drive away in a company Buick. As a =3D non-believer, I cannot permit myself to do that.   A number of people posting on this subject who are favorably disposed to = =3D digital instruments seem to lump people who love the Pipe Organ together = =3D in a group of some sort of faddists, crazies perhaps, devoted to "old =3D fashioned" Organs that, well, let me tell you how Mr. KJW characterizes = =3D them as below: "the glued together 15 rank pipe organ that I play. It =3D spits at you, doesn't hold tune, needs releathering (the parts that =3D still contain leather) it fails at leading the assembly to its fullest =3D potential and so much for trumpet tunes. The raucous sound is so uneven = =3D and brash it has turned many of our folks off from organ music." This is = =3D a bit unfair, in that, while there are some on the list that perhaps do = =3D play an ill-favored Pipe Organ, this is not the norm. Gosh, I play a =3D 1916 Hook & Hastings mechanical Organ of only 13 stops. It's not glued =3D together. It has been well-maintained. If your instrument is glued =3D together, someone needs to be chastised for not keeping up with the =3D maintainance in a timely fashion. There is no mystery about making a =3D Pipe Organ "hold tune." Its failure to lead the assembly, I cannot help = =3D you with. I am lucky. My wonderful old instrument does it all. It =3D accompanies beautifully, leads the congregation robustly, and gives is =3D no trouble of any kind.   But the big topic for me concerns why those of us you have been =3D lecturing so mercilessly are so devoted to the Pipe Organ. a) The sound = =3D of wind-blown pipes. In your scornful characterization, this is "pushing = =3D air through a tube." I think I can speak for like minded citizens if I =3D say it is that wind that gives the instrument a human quality, and =3D allows it also to blend with human voices, which are also wind-blown =3D (from the correct aperture, one hopes!). I passionately love that =3D feeling, that connection I feel to the sound. b) Another sneering point = =3D for many is the idea of "tracker" action. I love it. It is the action I = =3D feel totally secure and expressive with. It reaches the level of a =3D passion. c) Having heard all the latest digital instruments in various =3D situations, including in accompanying singing, I have to say that to me, = =3D there is an opacity that prevents a blend with voices, either those of a = =3D choir or those of a congregation. It just won't work for me - there is a = =3D cutting edge to the loudspeaker borne sound that I never miss, even when = =3D I don't know what I am hearing.   These are MY beliefs. I don't expect others to espouse them, but I want = =3D it understood that my love affair with genuine windblown sound is just =3D that - a love affair, built on 50 years of Organ playing. I don't want =3D to be lumped with any sort of group involved in a cult or fad. This is =3D an individual love affair for me only. Mr. KJW states that with the =3D digital Organ, "In truth, what you hear is a pipe organ." Sorry, Pipe =3D Organs do not come out of loudspeakers, and to me, that makes a huge =3D difference. To others, it may not matter. So be it. I hope it can be =3D left there.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com =3D20   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: KJW6311@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org ; KJW6311@aol.com=3D20 Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Digital bashing     Isn't the real issue the sound? Whether from pushing air through a =3D tube or by means of digital wizardry, the sound is what counts. Music =3D first, folks!=3D20   Granted most pipeless organs leave a lot to be desired there is one =3D builder (the largest builder of classical organs in the world -pipe and = =3D pipless combined) who has gotten it right. It would be wise to not =3D condemn that which is unfamiliar. Go hear a recent installation (a =3D proper installation is important for any instrument). Don't like the =3D krumhorn? Have it easily changed to a 'cromorne' or another from a menu = =3D of choices. Skinner or Cavaille-Coll? Too much wind noise in the 16' =3D Diapason? Have it taken out-some pipes or all. Tune each rank of a =3D mixture for optimum blend and musicality? Not a problem. I would =3D rather play a 15 stop instrument of this design any day than the glued = =3D together 15 rank pipe organ that I play. It spits at you, doesn't hold = =3D tune, needs releathering (the parts that still contain leather) it fails = =3D at leading the assembly to its fullest potential and so much for trumpet = =3D tunes. The raucous sound is so uneven and brash it has turned many of =3D our folks off from organ music in favor of piano and guitar. I hate it. = =3D Our technicians actually said we would be better off with a good =3D electronic (I wonder if they are aware of the digital age that has been = =3D here for some time already). The fact remains that most pipe organs I =3D encounter are much like this one. Hail to the great instruments and the = =3D builders who brought them into existence. However, these are not the =3D norm and in this day and age an informed person/committee cannot so =3D easily dismiss the reality, practicality and musical integrity of some =3D digital organs which are proving to be superior to their 'wind in a =3D tube' forerunners. In truth, what you hear is a pipe organ. The pipes = =3D (that were cloned) just happen to be somewhere else! Best of all? No =3D releathering, tuning or routine maintenance! =3D20   Again, music first. What I cannot begin to understand is the love =3D affair with Baroque museum reproductions with no expression or =3D combination action for music making. Instead of being convinced that =3D less is more dream a little bit. Bach was always pushing for =3D improvements and tonal additions to the builders he had contact with. I = =3D can only see him having 'a ball' at a modern organ! How would he have =3D 'pushed the envelope' with his composition and playing if he had access = =3D to an organ of today? How many advocates of these types of instruments = =3D still use horse-drawn transportation or light their homes with whale =3D oil? I consider myself a 'purist' in the sense that the sound be the =3D best it can be. With no pipes? It is being done! A comfortable solid =3D wood console, traditional controls, wooden key sticks with adjustable =3D action are also standard accessories! Go listen and make beautiful =3D music instead of bashing the stereotypical 'fake.' =3D20   J. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0035_01C2D952.39C2AB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear Long Suffering = List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The topic that should not dare to = speak =3D its name=3D20 stays with us relentlessly, and I fear I have been unable to resist =3D responding=3D20 to this particular posting!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>When I was a student at Oberlin in = the =3D mid-50s,=3D20 along with 44 other Organ majors, if you can believe it, we were urged =3D to take=3D20 part in meetings of the area AGO chapter - something good for = town/gown=3D20 relationships. There was a talk-ful meeting one evening - no music was =3D played -=3D20 and there was a topic and a speaker, neither of which I can recall. I do = =3D   remember the Allen salesman who was touting his wares as any good =3D salesman=3D20 should, and I recall his response when we laughed at him, student-like. = =3D "Well,=3D20 you just wait until you&nbsp;are 'out in the field' and you will =3D understand." We=3D20 all said something rather like, "yea sure, when Hell freezes over." (Not = =3D Felix!)=3D20 Well, here we are about 50 years later, confronted again with the same =3D sort of=3D20 hectoring tone: "Music first, folks!" We all know that, Mr. Unidentified = =3D Sir,=3D20 and feel and believe it fervently.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>In entering into this discussion, I = for =3D some will=3D20 need to declare my conflict of interest, as one who works for a builder = =3D of Pipe=3D20 Organs. That being said, I must add that I do what I do out of = profound=3D20 conviction. It is not a long drive from here to visit "the largest =3D builder of=3D20 classical organs in the world -pipe and pipless combined) who has gotten = =3D it=3D20 right." I think I could have convinced them of my winning personality, =3D my=3D20 ability to convince the doubters and get a signature on the dotted line, = =3D and=3D20 this would have raised my income level considerably, and I could = drive=3D20 away&nbsp;in a company Buick. As a non-believer, I cannot permit myself = =3D to do=3D20 that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>A number of people posting on this = =3D subject&nbsp;who=3D20 are favorably disposed to digital instruments seem to lump people who =3D love the=3D20 Pipe Organ together in a group of some sort of faddists, crazies =3D perhaps,=3D20 devoted to&nbsp;"old fashioned" Organs that, well, let me tell you how =3D Mr. KJW=3D20 characterizes them as below: "the glued together 15 rank pipe organ that = =3D I=3D20 play.&nbsp; It spits at you, doesn't hold tune, needs releathering (the = =3D parts=3D20 that still contain leather) it fails at leading the assembly to its =3D fullest=3D20 potential and so much for trumpet tunes.&nbsp; The raucous sound is so =3D uneven=3D20 and brash it has turned many of our folks off from organ music." This is = =3D a bit=3D20 unfair, in that, while there are some on the list that perhaps do =3D play&nbsp;an=3D20 ill-favored Pipe Organ, this is&nbsp;not the norm. Gosh, I play a 1916 =3D Hook=3D20 &amp; Hastings mechanical Organ of only 13 stops. It's not glued =3D together. It=3D20 has been well-maintained. If your instrument is glued together, someone = =3D needs to=3D20 be chastised for not keeping up with the maintainance in a timely =3D fashion. There=3D20 is no mystery about making a&nbsp;Pipe Organ "hold tune." Its failure to = =3D lead=3D20 the assembly, I cannot help you with. I am lucky. My wonderful old =3D instrument=3D20 does it all. It accompanies beautifully, leads the congregation =3D robustly, and=3D20 gives is no trouble of any kind.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>But the big topic for = me&nbsp;concerns =3D why those of=3D20 us you have been lecturing so mercilessly are so devoted to the Pipe =3D Organ. a)=3D20 The sound&nbsp;of wind-blown pipes. In your scornful characterization, =3D this is=3D20 "pushing air through a tube." I think I can speak for like minded =3D citizens if I=3D20 say it is that wind that gives the instrument a human quality, and =3D allows it=3D20 also to blend with human voices, which are also wind-blown (from the =3D correct=3D20 aperture, one&nbsp;hopes!). I passionately love that feeling, that =3D connection I=3D20 feel to the&nbsp;sound. b) Another sneering point for many is the idea =3D of=3D20 "tracker" action. I love it. It is the action I feel totally =3D secure&nbsp;and=3D20 expressive with. It reaches the level of a passion. c) Having heard all = =3D the=3D20 latest digital instruments in various situations, including in =3D accompanying=3D20 singing, I have to say that to me, there is an opacity that prevents a =3D blend=3D20 with voices, either those of a choir or those of a congregation. It just = =3D won't=3D20 work for me - there is a cutting edge to the loudspeaker borne sound =3D that I=3D20 never miss, even&nbsp;when I don't know what I am hearing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>These are MY beliefs. I don't expect = =3D others to=3D20 espouse them, but I want it understood that my love affair with = genuine=3D20 windblown sound is just that - a love affair, built on 50 years of Organ = =3D   playing. I don't want to be lumped with any sort of group involved in a = =3D cult or=3D20 fad. This is an individual love affair for me only. Mr. KJW states that = =3D with the=3D20 digital Organ, "In truth, what you hear is a pipe organ." Sorry,=3D20 Pipe&nbsp;Organs do not come out of&nbsp;loudspeakers, and to me, that =3D makes a=3D20 huge difference. To others, it may not matter. So be it. I hope it can =3D be left=3D20 there.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.mander-organs.com">www.mander-organs.com</A>=3D20 </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DKJW6311@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:KJW6311@aol.com">KJW6311@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> ; = <A=3D20 title=3D3DKJW6311@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:KJW6311@aol.com">KJW6311@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 = =3D 12:12=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Digital =3D bashing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Isn't the real issue the sound?&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D Whether from=3D20 pushing air through a tube or by means of digital wizardry, the sound = =3D is what=3D20 counts.&nbsp; Music first, folks! <BR><BR>Granted most pipeless organs = =3D leave a=3D20 lot to be desired there is one builder (the largest builder of =3D classical=3D20 organs in the world -pipe and pipless combined) who has gotten it =3D right.&nbsp;=3D20 It would be wise to not condemn that which is unfamiliar.&nbsp; Go =3D hear a=3D20 recent installation (a <U>proper</U> installation is important for any = =3D   instrument).&nbsp; Don't like the krumhorn?&nbsp; Have it easily =3D changed to a=3D20 'cromorne' or another from a menu of choices.&nbsp; Skinner or =3D Cavaille-Coll?=3D20 Too much wind noise in the 16' Diapason?&nbsp; Have it taken out-some = =3D pipes or=3D20 all. Tune each rank of a mixture for optimum blend and =3D musicality?&nbsp; Not a=3D20 problem.&nbsp; I would rather play a 15&nbsp; stop&nbsp; instrument of = =3D this=3D20 design any day than the glued together 15 rank pipe organ that I =3D play.&nbsp;=3D20 It spits at you, doesn't hold tune, needs releathering (the parts that = =3D still=3D20 contain leather) it fails at leading the assembly to its fullest =3D potential and=3D20 so much for trumpet tunes.&nbsp; The raucous sound is so uneven and =3D brash it=3D20 has turned many of our folks off from organ music in favor of piano =3D and=3D20 guitar.&nbsp; I hate it.&nbsp; Our technicians actually said we would = =3D be=3D20 better off with a good electronic (I wonder if they are aware of the =3D digital=3D20 age that has been here for some time already).&nbsp; The fact remains = =3D that=3D20 most pipe organs I encounter are much like this one.&nbsp; Hail to the = =3D great=3D20 instruments and the builders who brought them into existence.&nbsp; =3D However,=3D20 these are not the norm and in this day and age an informed =3D person/committee=3D20 cannot so easily dismiss the reality, practicality and musical =3D integrity of=3D20 <U>some</U> digital organs which are proving to be superior to their =3D 'wind in=3D20 a tube' forerunners.&nbsp; In truth, what you hear is a pipe =3D organ.&nbsp; The=3D20 pipes (that were cloned) just happen to be somewhere else!&nbsp; Best = =3D of=3D20 all?&nbsp; No releathering, tuning or routine maintenance!&nbsp;=3D20 <BR><BR>Again, music first.&nbsp; What I cannot begin to understand is = =3D the=3D20 love affair with Baroque museum reproductions with no expression or=3D20 combination action for music making.&nbsp; Instead of being convinced = =3D that=3D20 less is more dream a little bit.&nbsp; Bach was always pushing for=3D20 improvements and tonal additions to the builders he had contact =3D with.&nbsp; I=3D20 can only see him having 'a ball' at a modern organ!&nbsp; How would he = =3D have=3D20 'pushed the envelope' with his composition and playing if he had =3D access to an=3D20 organ of today?&nbsp; How many advocates of these types of instruments = =3D still=3D20 use horse-drawn transportation or light their homes with whale =3D oil?&nbsp; I=3D20 consider myself a 'purist' in the sense that the sound be the best it = =3D can be.=3D20 With no pipes?&nbsp; It is being done!&nbsp; A comfortable solid wood = =3D console,=3D20 traditional controls, wooden key sticks with adjustable action are =3D also=3D20 standard accessories!&nbsp; Go listen and make beautiful music instead = =3D of=3D20 bashing the stereotypical&nbsp; 'fake.'&nbsp; <BR><BR>J.</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0035_01C2D952.39C2AB40--