PipeChat Digest #3488 - Friday, February 21, 2003
 
Re: Oh, the value of a Larigot  :)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Recent postings re Rodgers
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Jewish organists
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Comments For Malcolm &  KJW6311@aol.com
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Comments For Malcolm &  KJW6311@aol.com
  by "Steven Frank" <steve@virgilfox.com>
Re: Jewish organists
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Huguenot Flibustiers, was Lighter and irreverent Organ History of Venezue
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Animals and organs
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: Mea Culpa
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Comments For Malcolm &  KJW6311@aol.com
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Staying on topic
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Comments For Malcolm &  KJW6311@aol.com
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Steven's Comments On My Previous Post
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Oh, the value of a Larigot :) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:05:23 EST   I never said that the Larigot wasn't useful. Ever.  
(back) Subject: Re: Recent postings re Rodgers From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:27:26 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.10F79780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Gee Rick, your comment prompted me to look at some of the boards, as =3D well as other parts. They have Macingie, Pennsylvanie, Made in the USA = =3D stamped all over them. The organ was manufactured in September 2002   Jim H ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Chester H Berry=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Cc: r4rick@ix.netcom.com=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Recent postings re Rodgers     Posted on behalf of Rodgers by List Member cberry   .   Rodgers does use custom Roland DSP chips optimized for stereo musical = =3D instrument use. Other parts may come from US companies - Intel, Texas =3D Instruments, AMD, etc or foreign manufacturing sources. Look at the =3D Allen boards and you'll see Malaysia stamped all over many of the parts = =3D - all high tech products use parts from all over the world these days. = =3D Again what was the point?     RICK ANDERSON Rodgers Instruments LLC r4rick@ix.netcom.com 503-244-8107 503-244-6208 fax 503-720-1643 cell     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.10F79780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Gee Rick,&nbsp; your comment prompted = =3D me to look at=3D20 some of the boards, as well as other parts.&nbsp; They have Macingie,=3D20 Pennsylvanie, Made in the USA stamped all over them.&nbsp; The organ was = =3D   manufactured in September 2002</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim H</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dcberry@pop.burgoyne.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:cberry@pop.burgoyne.com">Chester=3D20 H Berry</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dr4rick@ix.netcom.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:r4rick@ix.netcom.com">r4rick@ix.netcom.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 18, =3D 2003 11:33=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Recent postings re =3D Rodgers</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Posted on behalf of Rodgers by List Member=3D20 cberry</STRONG><BR><BR>.<BR><BR>Rodgers does use custom Roland DSP =3D chips=3D20 optimized for stereo musical instrument use.&nbsp; Other parts may =3D come from=3D20 US companies - Intel, Texas Instruments, AMD, etc or foreign =3D manufacturing=3D20 sources.&nbsp; Look at the Allen boards and you'll see Malaysia =3D stamped all=3D20 over many of the parts - all high tech products use parts from all =3D over the=3D20 world these days.&nbsp; Again what was the point?<BR><BR></DIV> <P></X-SIGSEP><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman, Times" = size=3D3D4><B>RICK=3D20 ANDERSON<BR>Rodgers Instruments LLC<BR></B></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Times New Roman, Times"=3D20 size=3D3D2><I>r4rick@ix.netcom.com<BR>503-244-8107<BR>503-244-6208=3D20 fax<BR>503-720-1643 cell<BR></FONT></I></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.10F79780--      
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organists From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:26:38 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3128667999_950001 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 2/20/03 4:16 PM, "RonSeverin@aol.com" <RonSeverin@aol.com> wrote:   > in Paris at the=3D20 > American Cathedral on their Cavaille Coll.   Idle question, Ron: What is the American Cathedral in Paris? What=3DB9s American about it? Whose cathedral is it?   Alan   --B_3128667999_950001 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Jewish organists</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 2/20/03 4:16 PM, = &quot;RonSeverin@aol.com&q=3D uot; &lt;RonSeverin@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">in Paris at the <BR> American Cathedral on their Cavaille Coll.<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Idle question, Ron: &nbsp;What is the American Cathedral in Paris? = &nbsp;Wh=3D at&#8217;s American about it? &nbsp;Whose cathedral is it?<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3128667999_950001--    
(back) Subject: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:39:05 -0800 (PST)   --0-1536502503-1045841945=3D:68055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi All,   I would like to add another perspective to the topic at hand. For both = Malcolm and KJW6311 along with all digit lovers and haters, I recommend a = source of expertise if you really want to understand what the biggest = manufacturer is doing in it's latest "era" of producing sound. I do this = because I do not believe that ALL digital organ builders are in the same = category as AOC, which certainly is NOT trying to replicate pipe ranks. = The sound that KJW6311 is extolling is based upon an average of 3 samples = per rank of steady state sound, with all attack and release = characteristics being synthesized. In the pedal the norm is one sample, = the most per rank, that I have seen is 16 in the most recent instruments. = This certainly is NOT what most people think digital builders are doing, = i.e. sampling as many pipes per rank they can and then playing them back = as accurately as they can. You will also find that many "ranks" are the = same old samples from the first 20 years of the digital era ... an   Having owned 5 of these instruments over the past 30 years and having = analyzed the current technology extensively, I have given up on the hope = that I will ever get an instrument that doesn't tire my ears after a year = or so, from this company. In a big room this sound is pleasant enough = although the reeds and mixtures certainly are the least realistic.   I respect Malcolm for his integrity in the face of probable $$$$$$$$$, and = have been told that another list member years ago turned down $$$$$$$$$$ = to assist AOC's tonal / voicing work. If the later is true, I also = respect his integrity.   I will not get into the area of ethics of pipe builders vs digital copying = of other instruments, but will say that I consider it unethical for ANY = E-org builder to advertise that something is new or based upon new = samples, when infact, it is the same old samples with additional = processing tacked on. My ears were "smart" enough to figure out what was = going on way before my brain did, so I can fully understand the distain = list members with "golden pipe ears" have for the vast majority of = instruments sold here, regardless of the pairing with pipes. Not wanting = to push one E-org builder over another, I will simply say to all, please = do not judge every builder/manufacturer of E-orgs by the business = practices and tonal philosophy of one company that has dominated the arena = for so long.   So to all that really want to understand what is going on, I recommend you = join the group which resides on Yahoo.com ... allen-organ-owners ... and = browse through the archieves. This is the ONLY place to find detailed = information that is NOT marketing hype (except for some of the AOC dealer = posts, that is ).   Here is the hypertext link, which I hope Yahoo does not edit out:   allen-organ-owners@yahoogroups.com   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-1536502503-1045841945=3D:68055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi All,</P> <P>I would like to add another perspective to the topic at hand. For both = Malcolm and KJW6311 along with all&nbsp;digit lovers and haters,&nbsp; I = recommend a source of expertise if you really want to understand what the = biggest manufacturer is doing in it's latest "era" of producing sound. I = do this because I do not believe that ALL digital organ builders are in = the same category as AOC, which&nbsp; certainly is NOT trying to replicate = pipe ranks. The sound that KJW6311 is extolling is based upon an average = of 3 samples per rank of steady state sound, with all attack and release = characteristics being synthesized. In the pedal the norm is one sample, = the most per rank, that I have seen is 16 in the most recent = instruments.&nbsp;This certainly is NOT what most people think digital = builders are doing, i.e. sampling as many pipes per rank they can and then = playing them back as accurately as they can.&nbsp; You will also find that = many "ranks" are the same old samples from the first 20 yea <P>Having owned 5 of these instruments over the past 30 years and having = analyzed the current technology extensively, I have given up on the hope = that I will ever get an instrument that doesn't tire my ears after a year = or so, from this company. In a big room this sound is pleasant enough = although the reeds and mixtures certainly are the least realistic. </P> <P>I respect Malcolm for his integrity in the face of probable $$$$$$$$$, = and have been told that another list member years ago turned down = $$$$$$$$$$&nbsp;to assist AOC's &nbsp;tonal / voicing work. If the later = is true, I also respect his integrity.</P> <P>I will not get into the area of ethics of pipe builders vs digital = copying of other instruments, but will say that I consider it unethical = for ANY E-org builder to advertise that something is new or based upon new = samples, when infact, it is the same old samples with additional = processing tacked on. My ears were "smart" enough to figure out what was = going on way before my brain did, so I can fully understand the distain = list members with "golden pipe ears" have for the vast majority of = instruments sold here, regardless of the pairing with pipes. Not wanting = to push one E-org builder over another, I will simply say to all, please = do not judge every builder/manufacturer of E-orgs by the business = practices and tonal philosophy of one company that has dominated the arena = for so long. </P> <P>So to all that really want to understand what is going on, I recommend = you join the group which resides on Yahoo.com ...&nbsp; = allen-organ-owners&nbsp; ... and browse through the archieves. This is the = ONLY place to find detailed information that is NOT marketing hype (except = for some of the AOC dealer posts, that is ).</P> <P>Here is the hypertext link, which I hope Yahoo does not edit out:</P> <P><A = href=3D"http://address.yahoo.com/yab2/us?.rand=3D363709910&amp;v=3DSA&amp;s= tC=3DAll&amp;stG=3D0&amp;stP=3D1&amp;stP2=3D1&amp;stT=3D118&amp;stI=3D0&amp= ;stA=3D0&amp;A=3Dt&amp;id=3D20"><STRONG>allen-organ-owners@yahoogroups.com<= /STRONG></A><STRONG>&nbsp;</STRONG>&nbsp; </P> <P>Matt </P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailtagline/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/">Y= ahoo! Tax Center</a> - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-1536502503-1045841945=3D:68055--  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:46:24 -0700       KJW6311@aol.com wrote:   > Again, music first. What I cannot begin to understand is the love > affair with Baroque museum reproductions with no expression or combination action for music making.         I would like to suggest that there are no unexpressive organs, only unexpressive organists. Some of the most musical playing I have ever heard has been on totally unenclosed organs. Yes, music first.     Del W. Case Pacific Union College   P.S. The organ I play and teach on is a tracker with two enclosed divisions.  
(back) Subject: Re: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com From: "Steven Frank" <steve@virgilfox.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:48:05 -0500   on 2/21/03 10:39 AM, Mattcinnj wrote:   > I respect Malcolm for his integrity in the face of probable $$$$$$$$$, = and > have been told that another list member years ago turned down $$$$$$$$$$ = to > assist AOC's tonal / voicing work. If the later is true, I also respect = his > integrity.   I hope that your equating $$$ with integrity has also to do with their personal convictions!   I do believe that one could work for a digital manufacturer, believe in = the product, strive for ever better alternatives, make money, and still have integrity!   Or do you think than anyone working for a digital producer cannot possibly have any integrity?   Steven Frank An Allen organ AND pipe organ aficionado.      
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organists From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:58:03 -0700       Alan Freed wrote: >=20 > On 2/20/03 4:16 PM, "RonSeverin@aol.com" <RonSeverin@aol.com> wrote: >=20 > in Paris at the > American Cathedral on their Cavaille Coll. >=20 > Idle question, Ron: What is the American Cathedral in Paris? What=92s > American about it? Whose cathedral is it? >=20 > Alan   The American Cathedral in Paris is a Cathedral of the Episcopal Church, U= SA. There is a diocese of Western Europe and this is its Cathedral. The=20 building is located on Ave George V. The organ has some CC origins but has subsequent work by several other builders.   There is also an "American Church" not far away from the Cathedral. I be= lieve it is non denominational. It has a fairly recent vintage Beckerath The two building are often confused and not all of the guide books get it right.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Huguenot Flibustiers, was Lighter and irreverent Organ History of Venezuela 01 From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:22:25 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear Alan and pipechatters!   This goes a little out of topic since it's not directly related with Orga= n History. Anyway since this list is not so strict I am so free...   According to historian Paul Johnson's "A History of the American People" = the french Huguenots etablished Colonies in Fort Caroline (FL) and Charles Fo= rt (GA) in 1562 and 1564. In 1565 the Spaniards murdered the Huguenots in FL and 1566 in GA.   The revenge Attack to the spanish Diocese Coro was on Sept 08 1567 and wa= s done by French and Scottish Protestants. The St. Bartholomews Night was i= n 1572, five years after the related events.   End of the non topic.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Lighter and irreverent Organ History of Venezuela 01     On 2/20/03 12:03 PM, "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote:   > French > filibustiers came and burned down everything "shooting their pistols at the > crucifixes and holy images and tearing the new books to shreads and > snipples" as state the records. That was a revenge to the massacre that was > done to the Hugonots in Florida.   Andr=E9s: Fascinating account. I look forward to further installments. = I'm curious about the above sentences. It's too long since I read about the massacre of the Huguenots in Florida, and I don't even know where to LOOK for information on it at the moment.   I would GUESS that if the Spanish massacred the Huguenots in Florida, the French would be HAPPY about it, because the French were big on beating up= on Huguenots themselves. (Remember St. Bartholomew's Eve?) Surely these French filibusters were Roman Catholics? I think I'm confused.    
(back) Subject: Animals and organs From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:59:19 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   What a wonderful toipc this is.   I remember an owl that got trapped in the organ I was building/assembling = in the San Jose Benedictine Abbey in Guigue. It was a heck to catch the bird with a blanket and take it out. Later on the bats came and messed up all. We had to put a wire mesh on the back of the facade (the "facade" there is a wood reticule).   In my parish there are many pigeons and somtimes one get into the church. Just last week a pigeon sit on the choir rail and listened with great attention to the organ.   I am a cat-fan (astounding many Orglers are!), and since I was a kid I = have cats; for that my Pipechat-signature. One day a kitten got into my home organ (a Conn Artist; no place for pipeorgan) and trapped itself between the loudspeaker and the swellshoe. I had to dismount the back panel to have it freed.   Another cat was enloved with the sound of the piano; whenever it saw the instrument it hurried to jump on the keyboard and make noise there. We had to keep the lid closed.   If I continue with these anecdotes the Server will clog, I fear...   cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   ....Sure!!      
(back) Subject: RE: Mea Culpa From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:21:44 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Bill Sebring wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sebring <baircub@austin.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: RE: Mea Culpa     > Of course, this may sound blasphemous, but it can technically be considered > true...the organ could be considered the first electro-mechanical > synthesizer.   ELECTRO-mechanical? What's electric on it- the blower? The EP actions?- These are recent acquisitions in history. (Okay, Hammond-wheelies were electromechanical synthetizers!) Back to PipeO: the Rest is absolutely right! An electronic engineer told = me exactly the same thing many years ago, and when I have to make a = conference about the (pipe)-organ to people who never in lifetime saw one I begin exactly with these words: "The pipeorgan is a mechanical synthetizer".   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Re: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:08:55 -0500   Hi Steve and List,   I am not sure how much of what you have written is aimed in my direction, but I would like to respond *briefly.* I am not questioning anyone's integrity in this debate at all - neither the mysterious Mr. KJW nor = anyone else who has extolled the virtues of digital instruments. It is only when people become pontifical (wow!) and begin characterizing those who are devoted to instruments that "push air through tubes" (I am beginning to = like that) as some sort of poor, misguided lunatics that I begin not = necessarily to impugn their integrity, but rather, their manners. The extent of *my* arrogance would be only to look always for an opportunity to explain and demonstrate, hopefully in the presence of a decent Pipe Organ, what is the basis of my devotion to these instruments and their sound. Then, it's take it or leave it.   I will also always try to offer to a church that thinks it can't, the idea that it often *can* in fact have a Pipe Organ, possibly through the Organ Clearing House, and I can give my own church as a very successful example = of that. www.home.earthlink.net/~trinity06903/ (In our case, it was Patrick Murphy who found and installed the Hook & Hastings.) If they are able to respond to the sound of "air pushing through tubes," they will appreciate this possibility. That is the extent of my proselytizing, unless they are very rich, in which case I hand them a Mander brochure! It's my job.   It is a tropical 50 degrees up on our mountain! Darryl, may I borrow your Speedo? It *might* fit!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Frank" <steve@virgilfox.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com     > on 2/21/03 10:39 AM, Mattcinnj wrote: > > > I respect Malcolm for his integrity in the face of probable $$$$$$$$$, and > > have been told that another list member years ago turned down = $$$$$$$$$$ to > > assist AOC's tonal / voicing work. If the later is true, I also = respect his > > integrity. > > I hope that your equating $$$ with integrity has also to do with their > personal convictions! > > I do believe that one could work for a digital manufacturer, believe in the > product, strive for ever better alternatives, make money, and still have > integrity! > > Or do you think than anyone working for a digital producer cannot = possibly > have any integrity? > > Steven Frank > An Allen organ AND pipe organ aficionado.      
(back) Subject: Re: Staying on topic From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:16:07 -0600   Ross wrote:   "By digital thievery I meant people who sample pipemakers' pipes and then pass off the resultant electronic organ as their own"   Ross,   This may be the case with many Digital Org makers, not so those who do not use "sample" technology. Quite a different "toaster" all together! The Dutch builder of my instrument uses the Musicom Pipe Control System, which generates the "pipe sound" in real time ... not a "digital sample" to be found anywhere. The end result is a sound that is very close indeed to = air blown pipes. The attack , wind noise, sustained "speech", and decay of = each note of every "rank" is carefully voiced and regulated. In the case of my "Schnitger" replica, even the pallet noise and "wind sag" of the original "real" organ is carefully reproduced. Was this technology more expensive than the competitors "sample" technology? Yes, quite a bit. Was it worth the expense? Absolutely, yes!   Question: You mentioned Copeman-Hart (uses Musicom) and Phoenix (uses Samples) as examples you have heard. Which has the more "realistic" sound in your opinion? My vote goes to the Musicom system.   Cheers,   Tim     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:00 -0500   Umm, "pushing air through tubes" is not an accurate description of how = flue pipes function, AFAIK. The air from the chest exits at the mouth, but the column of air in the = pipe does not exit the top.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Steven's Comments On My Previous Post From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:38:22 -0800 (PST)   --0-432884864-1045852702=3D:17683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi Steven,   Not at all. It was just my shorthand method of saying:   I'm glad to see that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ did not make you shelve your = convictions or that $$$$$$$$$$$$$ came first, with heart felt beliefs = being compromised.   If you are not a member of the Yahoo group, please join. Several = contributors to the long thread you will find about the Renn. technology = have been "rewarded" by AOC with threats of legal action for daring to = tell customers what has recently been brought out via the Internet. At = least one dealer in the group had to check back with AOC to verify what = was being brought out by customers ..... so you will find information not = freely available, even to top dealers. In addition to being an organist, = you will have to be a relational database expert to understand what goes = into producing each sound.   Having been called an idiot by Dwight Beecham for suggesting AOC duplex = the Swell 16 flue and reed voices into the pedal division back in the ADC = days (I was a 3 time repeat customer not an employee), I wish you good = luck. I should add that working with Larry Phelps on several custom = designs and hearing him tell me "Matt, they just won't let me build those = kind of organs (English Sound)" also prompts me to add another "Good = Luck". It has been nice to live long enough to see AOC indeed do these = sort of things, but I don't see myself living long enough to see the day = that anyone except Steve, Dwight and Barry are making major decisions at = AOC.   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-432884864-1045852702=3D:17683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi Steven,</P> <P>Not at all.&nbsp;&nbsp; It was just my shorthand method of saying:</P> <P>I'm glad to see that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ did not make you shelve your = convictions or that $$$$$$$$$$$$$ came first,&nbsp;with heart felt = beliefs&nbsp;being compromised.</P> <P>If you are not a member of the Yahoo group, please join. Several = contributors to the long thread you will find about the Renn. technology = have been "rewarded" by AOC with threats of legal action for daring to = tell customers what&nbsp;has recently been brought out via the = Internet.&nbsp; At least one dealer in the group had to check back with = AOC to verify what was being brought out by customers ..... so you will = find information not freely available, even to top dealers. In addition to = being an organist, you will have to be a relational database expert to = understand what goes into producing each sound. </P> <P>Having been called an idiot by Dwight Beecham for suggesting AOC duplex = the Swell 16 flue and reed voices into the pedal division back in the ADC = days (I was a 3 time repeat customer not an employee), I wish you good = luck. I should add that working with Larry Phelps on several custom = designs and hearing him tell me "Matt, they just won't let me build those = kind of organs (English Sound)" also prompts me to add another "Good = Luck". It has been nice to live long enough to see AOC indeed do these = sort of things, but I don't see myself living long enough to see the day = that anyone except Steve, Dwight and Barry are&nbsp;making major decisions = at AOC.</P> <P>Matt</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailtagline/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/">Y= ahoo! Tax Center</a> - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-432884864-1045852702=3D:17683--