PipeChat Digest #3491 - Saturday, February 22, 2003
 
Re: Comments For Malcolm &  KJW6311@aol.com
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ for Practice
  by "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk>
Re: Digital bashing
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: new hall in Miami (was Klais, etc.)
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Scaling for Swell boxes
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Swell 8' Diapason
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "Darrell Coons" <dcoons03@rochester.rr.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Scaling for Swell boxes
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Digital bashing
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
unison basses
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:37:31 -0800 (PST)     --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi Steve and List, > [snip]   > I will also always try to offer to a church that > thinks it can't, the idea > that it often *can* in fact have a Pipe Organ, > possibly through the Organ > Clearing House, and I can give my own church as a > very successful example of > that. www.home.earthlink.net/~trinity06903/ (In our > case, it was Patrick > Murphy who found and installed the Hook & Hastings.)   Malcolm,   Your organ has thirteen stops... would you be good enough to tell us what they are?   Best wishes to all,   Morton Belcher fellow list member...       > If they are able to > respond to the sound of "air pushing through tubes," > they will appreciate > this possibility. That is the extent of my > proselytizing, unless they are > very rich, in which case I hand them a Mander > brochure! It's my job.   [snip]   > Cheers, > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com > >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ for Practice From: "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:25:57 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2DA8F.14878740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Eliot,   Call on the Royal College of Organists at St Andrews church, Holborn. =3D The office have a list of possible organs to practice on. The ROC is =3D open Monday Friday usual office hours.   Alan Taylor ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Eliot Hunter=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Organ for Practice     I'm in Central London (Russell Square). You have any idea?=3D20   Thanx.=3D20   Eliot=3D20   =3D20   alantaylor <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> wrote:=3D20   What part of London Eliot?   Alan Taylor ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Eliot Hunter=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:54 AM Subject: Organ for Practice     I'm an organ student in London and I've problems trying to find an = =3D organ to practise on here. Does anyone have any idea where I should turn = =3D for help?   Eliot             -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D - With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size =3D that fits your needs             -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D ----- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that =3D fits your needs   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2DA8F.14878740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Eliot,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Call on the Royal College of Organists at St Andrews = =3D church,=3D20 Holborn. The office have a list of possible organs to practice on. The =3D ROC is=3D20 open Monday Friday usual office hours.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Alan Taylor</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Deliothunter@yahoo.co.uk =3D href=3D3D"mailto:eliothunter@yahoo.co.uk">Eliot=3D20 Hunter</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, = =3D 2003 5:57=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Organ for =3D Practice</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I'm in Central London (Russell Square).&nbsp;You have any idea?=3D20 <P>Thanx.=3D20 <P>Eliot=3D20 <P>=3D20 <P>&nbsp;<B><I>alantaylor &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk">alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk</A>&gt;= =3D </I></B>=3D20 wrote:=3D20 <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = =3D solid"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>What part of London Eliot?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Alan Taylor</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =3D </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Deliothunter@yahoo.co.uk=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:eliothunter@yahoo.co.uk">Eliot Hunter</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February = =3D 19, 2003=3D20 12:54 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Organ for =3D Practice</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I'm an organ student in London and I've problems trying to find = =3D an=3D20 organ to practise on here. Does anyone have any idea where I =3D should turn=3D20 for help?</P> <P>Eliot</P> <P> <P><BR> <HR SIZE=3D3D1> <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/m= =3D ail_storage.html"><B><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger =3D mailbox -- choose=3D20 a size that fits your =3D needs</FONT></B></A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <P><BR> <HR SIZE=3D3D1> <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/m= =3D ail_storage.html"><B><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox = -- =3D choose a=3D20 size that fits your =3D needs</FONT></B></A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2DA8F.14878740--      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:51:36 EST     --part1_1ed.29b7229.2b8912a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/22/03 12:48:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, jhumbert@ptd.net writes:     > Respectfully, I hope you are thankful each and every day that you have = the > wonderful privilege to do this. I can only pray that someday I may have = the > opportunity to do this same thing. >   I am incredibly thankful each day for the priviledge of playing the 3/44 Casavant (on my webpage). I recall the two years that I did not play at = all because there was no pipe organ available to me. When money was excruciatingly tight I did take a job on a digitoid, but after only a = month the pipe organ job opened up and I jumped. Playing the digitoid was a chore and I hated it. (And it was a "good" one! icch!).   I really hope you are able to find a pipe organ to play soon!   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1ed.29b7229.2b8912a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/22/0=3D 3 12:48:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, jhumbert@ptd.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Respectfully, I hope you = ar=3D e thankful each and every day that you have the <BR>wonderful privilege to do this. &nbsp;I can only pray that someday I = may=3D have the <BR>opportunity to do this same thing. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>I am incredibly thankful each day for the priviledge of playing the = 3/44=3D Casavant (on my webpage). &nbsp;&nbsp;I recall the two years that I did = not=3D play at all because there was no pipe organ available to me. &nbsp;When = mon=3D ey was excruciatingly tight I did take a job on a digitoid, but after only = a=3D month the pipe organ job opened up and I jumped. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Playing=3D20=3D the digitoid was a chore and I hated it. &nbsp;(And it was a "good" one! = &nb=3D sp;icch!). <BR> <BR>I really hope you are able to find a pipe organ to play soon! <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1ed.29b7229.2b8912a8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:55:02 EST     --part1_11c.1f24c164.2b891376_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Without expression pedals Bach used "terraced" dynamics, adding more and = more stops as he wanted the music louder and deleting them as he wanted it = softer. (I am sure everyone knows this)   --part1_11c.1f24c164.2b891376_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Without expression pedals = Bach used=3D "terraced" dynamics, adding more and more stops as he wanted the music = loud=3D er and deleting them as he wanted it softer.&nbsp; (I am sure everyone = knows=3D this)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11c.1f24c164.2b891376_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:20:09 -0500   Hi Lee, I wonder what Bach would have though about my little Casio digital with the lighted keys. The harder you strike the keys, the louder the sound. Now there's something a pipe organ can't do. (grin). Cheers Mike   Chicaleee@aol.com wrote:   > Without expression pedals Bach used "terraced" > dynamics, adding more and more stops as he wanted the > music louder and deleting them as he wanted it > softer. (I am sure everyone knows this)    
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:47:40 -0700         Expressiveness in Baroque keyboard playing (organ or harpsichord) comes in two primary ways:   1. Subtle manipulations of tempo. 2. A variety of touches.   The use of ornamentation, improvised or from those noted by the composer, might be considered a separate category or a third type or expressiveness.     Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:01:16 EST     --part1_50.18881820.2b8922fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Mike,   How right you are! lol. I praise God that I do have the Allen on which to =   play and Give Him the Glory. Lee   --part1_50.18881820.2b8922fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Mike,<BR> <BR> How right you are! lol.&nbsp; I praise God that I do have the Allen on = which=3D to play and Give Him the Glory.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_50.18881820.2b8922fc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: new hall in Miami (was Klais, etc.) From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:30:51 -0500   In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:06:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, = DarrylbytheSea writes:   > I just hope this organ comes to fruition and is just not > another pipe dream.   no pun intended, right? ;)   Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   http://ibo.bww.com/foxworth password: foxy  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:47:08 -0600   I know its not the same thing but, the pipe organ at our theater has second touch. Luther   -----Original Message----- From: Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: "unexpressive"     >Hi Lee, > I wonder what Bach would have though about my >little Casio digital with the lighted keys. The harder >you strike the keys, the louder the sound. Now there's >something a pipe organ can't do. (grin). > Cheers > Mike >      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:39:24 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   We'd better keep this on topic!   Any motor that sounds like a 32ft reed; reliable or not, gets my vote!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell (enviously) UK       --- Antoni Scott <ascott@ptd.net> wrote: > Hi Colin: > > I am impressed very with your response !!! > In fact , I presently own a fake and artificial > Superformance 427 Cobra.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:05:34 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   This is definitely "red rag to a bull" material.   I play a fake! It has no registration aids, no swell pedals, no combination pistons. In fact, the electric blower was a reluctant addition!   I have also played the best that Allen can offer, in the form of Carlo Curley's Touring Organ and it is very, very good.   Of course, that is also a fake.   So, as a fake organist, which do I prefer?   Well, ONE of the fakes (with eleven speaking stops) I have played for the past 27 years and I have NEVER ONCE not enjoyed it or failed to acknowledge its beauty. It has cost just $8,000 in maintenance since it was built.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK                   --- KJW6311@aol.com wrote: ......What I cannot begin > to > understand is the love affair > with Baroque museum reproductions with no expression > or combination action > for music making. >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:08:47 EST   Facade pipes block much more tonal egress than a set of fully opened, well-made shutters. It's simple math/physics. A properly built Swell box forms a good resonant case.   SMG  
(back) Subject: Scaling for Swell boxes From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:10:55 EST   The biggest mistake people make in scaling Swell and Choir divisions is to =   drastically under-scale them. If they're already at a disadvatage, why = shoot yourself in the foot? Be generous with your Swell scaling (try not to = leave out the 8' Diapason), and nature will balance the rest. SMG  
(back) Subject: Swell 8' Diapason From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:39:40 -0800   Didn't Skinner once remark that in order to HAVE a Swell, you had to have something INSIDE it? (grin). The Swell of an E.M. Skinner organ was almost invariably the largest and most complete division. I recall one two-manual organ where there were FIFTEEN stops in the Swell, FIVE in the Great, and TWO in the Pedal (grin).   It seems to me that the omission of the Swell 8' Diapason, even in organs of some size, is one of the BIGGEST mistakes that people make. If absolutely necessary on account of space, the bottom octave can be made common with the Gedeckt, or Gedeckt + Viola (an old Moller trick) ... that has some historical precedent in 19th century American organs. At least that gives you the required "gravitas" through the most important part of the compass. Haskell basses are another possibility; monkey quints (a favorite solution of midwestern German-American builders in the last century) are another possibility that is often overlooked. I have played several organs where the GREAT 8' Principal is only carried down to G or F in the facade ... the balance of the bottom octave is made as monkey quints inside the case. The break is virtually undistinguishable, because (1) the fundamental pipe and the quint pipe are on a common toe (it looks like a large Y-shaped BBQ fork), and (2) the quint can be tuned true.   Cheers,   Bud     TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > The biggest mistake people make in scaling Swell and Choir divisions is = to > drastically under-scale them. If they're already at a disadvatage, why = shoot > yourself in the foot? Be generous with your Swell scaling (try not to = leave > out the 8' Diapason), and nature will balance the rest. > SMG >    
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:42:36 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   OMG! The Germans didn't stumble across the Swell Box as we know it until well into the 19th century.   We can say, with some conviction, that Bach NEVER used a Swell Box.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Gary Blevins <gsblvns@camalott.com> wrote: > nag's head swell? invented 1712? >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:50:38 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   The truth is, no one knows!   Adding stops and making more noise is a distinctly romantic idea of Bach playing.   Do the Harpsichord Concertos suffer if they are actally played on a Harpsichord rather than a piano?   I think not!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Chicaleee@aol.com wrote: > Without expression pedals Bach used "terraced" > dynamics, adding more and more > stops as he wanted the music louder and deleting > them as he wanted it softer. > (I am sure everyone knows this) >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:52:22 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   You never played a Wurlitzer with second-touch?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi Lee, > I wonder what Bach would have though about my > little Casio digital with the lighted keys. The > harder > you strike the keys, the louder the sound. Now > there's > something a pipe organ can't do. (grin). > Cheers > Mike > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "Darrell Coons" <dcoons03@rochester.rr.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:54:47 -0500   > Well, ONE of the fakes (with eleven speaking stops) I > have played for the past 27 years and I have NEVER > ONCE not enjoyed it or failed to acknowledge its > beauty. It has cost just $8,000 in maintenance since > it was built. >   AMEN! I've played at my church for 30 years. The first 10 were on = electronic "fakes" of various shapes and sizes, and while sound-wise they were less than stellar, it was on these instruments that I developed my technique = and learned the art of registration and how to use combination pistons. In = 1983 the church purchased for a nominal fee a 10-rank electric action Hillgreen-Lane that was on its way to the scrap heap. We had it = releathered, bought a new blower, and installed it for less than $10,000. The swell shades have never worked and there are no pistons. A few years later when the church was enlarged we had a local builder take a look and he promptly advised that the only solution was to throw it out and replace it with a = new one ("real" not "fake") for $200,000. Instead we added 2 more ranks from = an old Moller that was also being scrapped. No revoicing, we just had a new chest built and slapped them in. Truly a "fake" if ever there was one. = This organ sounds wonderful and is the pride and joy of our congregation - and me. Maintenance over the years has been practically nil, aside from = routine tunings and fixing the odd magnet or electrical problem. Yet it plays on, Sunday after Sunday. It will never be a major concert instrument, but who cares? - it has served its purpose well.      
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:56:05 EST   Remind me never to be ironic, sarcastic, obvious, or subtle, ever again. I can't take it any more.  
(back) Subject: Re: Scaling for Swell boxes From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:59:17 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   How very true!   I once played an 1876 Brindley & Foster organ, here in the UK.   The Choir Salicional sounded quite peaceful; being in a box and a wee bit buried.   I took a look at the pipes once, and on the pipes was stamped "Open Diapason II".   It was IDENTICAL to the "Open II" on the Great!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > The biggest mistake people make in scaling Swell and > Choir divisions is to > drastically under-scale them. If they're already at > a disadvatage, why shoot > yourself in the foot? Be generous with your Swell > scaling (try not to leave > out the 8' Diapason), and nature will balance the > rest. >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:56:25 -0800 (PST)   Thank your for your testimony of the real thing.   Bottom line is that beautiful worship experiences work well because you did what you did, and you do what you do.   And that is what is significant. You are the catalyst for hundreds of real experiences week by week.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     Darrell Coons wrote: ...   ... Truly a "fake" if ever there was one. This organ sounds wonderful and is the pride and joy of our congregation - and me. Maintenance over the years has been practically nil, aside from routine tunings and fixing the odd magnet or electrical problem. Yet it plays on, Sunday after Sunday. It will never be a major concert instrument, but who cares? - it has served its purpose well.       __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:09:12 -0500   On 2/22/03 5:56 PM, "TubaMagna@aol.com" <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote:   > Remind me never to be ironic, sarcastic, obvious, or subtle, ever again. > I can't take it any more.   Seb, you can be all of those things, or none of them, or your choice of several of them. Just be Seb. That's what I presume to say we most appreciate.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:33:40 -0500       Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Hello, > > You never played a Wurlitzer with second-touch?   Hi Colin. I tried to play a Wurlitzer with second touch once, but the keys just wouldn't light up----so I just sat there not knowing which keys to push. I was very embarrassed since this happened during an open console session that was scheduled for 20 minutes. As I sat there sweating bullets and trying to figure out how to save face, a calm came over me suddenly, and I relaxed. At the end of 20 minutes, I got up from the bench and thanked the audience for allowing me to present a short excerpt from John Cage's work "4 hours, 33minutes of Silence"   Cheers Mike   > > > > > --- Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Hi Lee, > > I wonder what Bach would have though about my > > little Casio digital with the lighted keys. The > > harder > > you strike the keys, the louder the sound. Now > > there's > > something a pipe organ can't do. (grin). > > Cheers > > Mike > > > >    
(back) Subject: unison basses From: "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:43:32 -0800   In the organ at St. Pete's, we added a variable scaled unit 4' Principal playing at 8, 4, and 2. The idea is to have the 8' pitch available, but there are numerous independent stops to form a straight chorus with, a lighter plenum. It is so nice to have it for accompanying or to beef up a "fonds" registration.   I solved the unison bass problem by copying a Moller trick. The low 12 notes borrow the Claribel Flute and the Gemshorn bass for the 8' unison, and to give it more blending ability the Gemshorn also plays at 4' for notes 1-12 only. It works fine and you don't notice it unless you are looking for it.   I also borrowed the reed cornet 32' trick from Moller while following that thread on pipechat a number of months ago. We have great acoustics, and surprisingly, the synthetic 32' reed is much more convincing than the regular 32' resultant. At any rate, I will never regret the fact that I decided not to spend money on electronic low note extensions.   Randy Terry. --