PipeChat Digest #3493 - Sunday, February 23, 2003
 
Re: Comments For Malcolm &  KJW6311@aol.com
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
the wonders of the Internet (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
monsters
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: the wonders of the Internet (X-posted)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: monsters
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: monsters
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Cleveland Six Manual Organ (was monsters)
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: monsters
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Cleveland Six Manual Organ (was monsters)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Cleveland Six Manual Organ (was monsters)
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Digital bashing - meaning of "fake"
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Monkey Quints and other effects
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
6-manual AEolian
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
6 manual organs
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org>
Re: 6-manual AEolian
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Define Fake
  by "Sloggy" <sloggy@sloggy.com>
Re: Define Fake
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Comments For Malcolm & KJW6311@aol.com From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:04:28 EST     --part1_169.1b14471b.2b8a12cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/21/2003 12:11:03 PM Central Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net writes:   > It is a tropical 50 degrees up on our mountain! Darryl, may I borrow = your > Speedo? It *might* fit! >   Oh, Malcolm, ONE of them just might fit, since my wardrobe consists of = small, medium, large and "oh my goodness." Just tell me where your physique is at =   the moment, and I'll overnight you one of my faves in just your size!   Have a great Sunday "up on the mountain!"   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea   --part1_169.1b14471b.2b8a12cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D =3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 12:11:03 PM = Centr=3D al Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000"=3D style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"A=3D rial" LANG=3D3D"0">It is a tropical 50 degrees up on our mountain! Darryl, = may=3D I borrow your<BR> Speedo? It *might* fit!<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> Oh, Malcolm, ONE of them just might fit, since my wardrobe consists of = small=3D , medium, large and "oh my goodness." Just tell me where your physique is = at=3D the moment, and I'll overnight you one of my faves in just your size!<BR> <BR> Have a great Sunday "up on the mountain!"<BR> <BR> Yours,<BR> <BR> Darryl by the Sea</FONT></HTML>   --part1_169.1b14471b.2b8a12cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: the wonders of the Internet (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:41:56 -0800   I am still housebound; we managed to find an organist for the 9:00 Mass this morning, but not the High Mass at 11:00. Ken Sybesma happened to be stopping in So Cal to visit his mother on his way home from Australia to Long Island (!). I emailed him ... "can you play my 11:00?" ... "Sure .... PDF me the music." I did, and he is (grin). He emailed the chanter and set up a rehearsal.   Ah, the wonders of the Internet ... (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: monsters From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:14:09 +1300   In my ignorance, I had thought for some years that the Chicago Stadium and Wanamaker Store organs were the only ones in the world with six manuals. Yesterday, reading Paul Smets's book "Neuzeitlicher Orgelbau" publ.1949 = for the first time, I read that the Cleveland "Konservatorium" has/had a 6m "Aeolian". Does anyone know if this is/was true, and describe this instrument?   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: the wonders of the Internet (X-posted) From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:53:19 -0500   Bud, - the wonders of the Internet indeed!   However, - I am sure that I am not alone in wishing you a speedy return to =   the organ bench, and I am glad that you are still able to play on the computer keyboard!   Best wishes,   Bob Conway   At 08:41 AM 2/23/03 -0800, Bud wrote: >I am still housebound; Ken Sybesma happened to be >stopping in So Cal to visit his mother on his way home from Australia to >Long Island (!). I emailed him ... "can you play my 11:00?" ... "Sure >... PDF me the music." I did, and he is (grin). He emailed the chanter >and set up a rehearsal. > >Ah, the wonders of the Internet ... (chuckle). > >Cheers, > >Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: monsters From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:59:15 -0800   I don't know what/where the "Konservatorium" is ... Cleveland Institute of Music has never had a concert organ to my knowledge ... I think they mostly use the big Skinner at Church of the Covenant, where Todd Wilson plays.   There WAS a FIVE-manual Midmer-Losh in the Jesuit Church on the West Side, but it was replaced by a Schantz some years ago.   The more-or-less derelict Skinner in Public Hall is also five manuals.   A SIX-manual AEOLIAN? Fascinating!   Cheers,   Bud   Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > > In my ignorance, I had thought for some years that the Chicago Stadium = and > Wanamaker Store organs were the only ones in the world with six manuals. > Yesterday, reading Paul Smets's book "Neuzeitlicher Orgelbau" publ.1949 = for > the first time, I read that the Cleveland "Konservatorium" has/had a 6m > "Aeolian". Does anyone know if this is/was true, and describe this > instrument? > > Ross > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: monsters From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:04:42 -0500   Hi Ross, I live in Cleveland and have not heard of this monster if it indeed = exists or did exist. Here is the URL to the largest instrument I know about in = the Cleveland area. It still exists, although in a reportedly sad state of = function and repair.   http://theatreorgans.com/ohio/cleveland/convention/   Cheers Mike   Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > In my ignorance, I had thought for some years that the Chicago Stadium = and > Wanamaker Store organs were the only ones in the world with six manuals. > Yesterday, reading Paul Smets's book "Neuzeitlicher Orgelbau" publ.1949 = for > the first time, I read that the Cleveland "Konservatorium" has/had a 6m > "Aeolian". Does anyone know if this is/was true, and describe this > instrument? > > Ross > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Cleveland Six Manual Organ (was monsters) From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:18:51 -0500   Actually, the instrument that I'm almost sure that you're talking about is in the Cleveland Auditorium off of Carnegie(?) Avenue, down in University Circle. The instrument is indeed an Aeolian-Skinner, but I'm not sure how many ranks it has or even how much of it is functional. Colleauges of = mine have spoken about trying to get city funds to "restore" the instrument. = It would sort of be a Cleveland Wanamaker. :)   Jim Clouser BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music Music Director/Organist Reformation Lutheran Evangelical Church Eastlake, Ohio     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: monsters     > In my ignorance, I had thought for some years that the Chicago Stadium = and > Wanamaker Store organs were the only ones in the world with six manuals. > Yesterday, reading Paul Smets's book "Neuzeitlicher Orgelbau" publ.1949 for > the first time, I read that the Cleveland "Konservatorium" has/had a 6m > "Aeolian". Does anyone know if this is/was true, and describe this > instrument? > > Ross > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: monsters From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:25:19 -0500   The Institute actually does have a concert instrument, a 50 or so rank Holtkamp tracker. However, as you said, the organ department is basically "housed" by the Church of the Covenant. We all practice there, at our own churches, and at other area churches.   CIM is getting a new $50,000,000 building, with a third concert hall. I'm not sure if we're getting another organ or not.   Jim C   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: monsters     > I don't know what/where the "Konservatorium" is ... Cleveland Institute > of Music has never had a concert organ to my knowledge ... I think they > mostly use the big Skinner at Church of the Covenant, where Todd Wilson > plays. > > There WAS a FIVE-manual Midmer-Losh in the Jesuit Church on the West > Side, but it was replaced by a Schantz some years ago. > > The more-or-less derelict Skinner in Public Hall is also five manuals. > > A SIX-manual AEOLIAN? Fascinating! > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > > > > In my ignorance, I had thought for some years that the Chicago Stadium and > > Wanamaker Store organs were the only ones in the world with six = manuals. > > Yesterday, reading Paul Smets's book "Neuzeitlicher Orgelbau" = publ.1949 for > > the first time, I read that the Cleveland "Konservatorium" has/had a = 6m > > "Aeolian". Does anyone know if this is/was true, and describe this > > instrument? > > > > Ross > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Cleveland Six Manual Organ (was monsters) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:38:06 -0800   Now I AM confused ... on University Circle, I know of the following organs:   Cleveland Museum of Art - 3m Holtkamp Severance Hall - 4m E.M. Skinner, recently restored by Schantz Harkness Chapel, Case-Western Reserve - old 3m Austin another chapel on the other side of Euclid Ave., can't remember the name - small 2m Holtkamp Church of the Covenant - 4m Aeolian-Skinner, recently rebuilt by ??? (Holtkamp?) The Temple - much rebuilt 3m or 4m Kimball "Holy Oilcan" United Methodist - 3m (?) E.M. Skinner, rebuilt by Holtkamp   A large auditorium on Carnegie Ave. ... can't place it.   Cheers,   Bud     Jim Clouser wrote: > > Actually, the instrument that I'm almost sure that you're talking about = is > in the Cleveland Auditorium off of Carnegie(?) Avenue, down in = University > Circle. The instrument is indeed an Aeolian-Skinner, but I'm not sure = how > many ranks it has or even how much of it is functional. Colleauges of = mine > have spoken about trying to get city funds to "restore" the instrument. = It > would sort of be a Cleveland Wanamaker. :) > > Jim Clouser > BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music > Music Director/Organist > Reformation Lutheran Evangelical Church > Eastlake, Ohio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:14 PM > Subject: monsters > > > In my ignorance, I had thought for some years that the Chicago Stadium = and > > Wanamaker Store organs were the only ones in the world with six = manuals. > > Yesterday, reading Paul Smets's book "Neuzeitlicher Orgelbau" = publ.1949 > for > > the first time, I read that the Cleveland "Konservatorium" has/had a = 6m > > "Aeolian". Does anyone know if this is/was true, and describe this > > instrument? > > > > Ross > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Cleveland Six Manual Organ (was monsters) From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:04:24 -0500   Hi Jim, There is perhaps a bit of confusion here. Cleveland Auditorium is = known by several names including "Public Hall", and "The Cleveland Convention = Center" (not to be confused with the "IX Center" out by Hopkins airport). It is = located between Lakeside and St. Clair in the E. 6th block squarely in downtown. = It is home to Skinner (not =C6oline) Opus 328 and is a 5 man. 328 rank. It is = reportedly little used and in a sad state. The original console was supposedly = heavily water damaged by a leaking water fountain placed above its storage nook = under the stage during a home and garden show, so there is a Klann console = serving it presently. There are also reports that all the pipes of the rear mounted = Echo division were stolen by vandals. Beyond that, I have little information = about this mysterious instrument other than it is still in it's original = unmolested state other than than the substitute console. If anyone has more = information about this instrument or can put me in touch with the powers that be, such = that I might perhaps visit it, and survey what's there, I'd be most = appreciative. This is an OHS Citation instrument, and thus far my efforts to secure information either through them, or outside that organization have been = futile. My opinion is that if its important enough an instrument for OHS to place = its plaque upon it, it ought to be promoted such that every effort can be made = to save it and bring it back to glory. I have several more leads that I need = to follow up on, and will certainly report back if i can find out anything.   Respectfully Submitted Mike Gettelman   Jim Clouser wrote:   > Actually, the instrument that I'm almost sure that you're talking about = is > in the Cleveland Auditorium off of Carnegie(?) Avenue, down in = University > Circle. The instrument is indeed an Aeolian-Skinner, but I'm not sure = how > many ranks it has or even how much of it is functional. Colleauges of = mine > have spoken about trying to get city funds to "restore" the instrument. = It > would sort of be a Cleveland Wanamaker. :) > > Jim Clouser > BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music > Music Director/Organist > Reformation Lutheran Evangelical Church > Eastlake, Ohio    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital bashing - meaning of "fake" From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:12:48 -0800 (PST)   In my post, I had assumed the term "fake" referred to assembling various component pieces of real, honest-to-goodness wind-blown organs, which some purists do not feel is a true instrument.     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Monkey Quints and other effects From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:20:36 EST   Monkey Quints are most often successful for the basses of manual 16' stops, rather than 8' stops. Recently, more American builders have been building 16' basses with Haskell re-entrant tubes. Such pipes take up far less real estate on the soundboard than Monkey Quints and even mitered pipes; mitered pipes with = 180 degree mitres often take up THREE times the amount of floor space, despite =   the savings in height. I have noted some 16' Diapasons in recent American pipe organs that = have Haskelled bottom ends, using quadrangular wood construction for the main body, and a metal cylinder for the re-entrant tube. At a recent string voicing seminar of the American Institute of Organbuilders, we built a Schulze-style 16' wooden violone according to the Audsley drawings, and = then added a metal re-entrant tube, and it produced a wonderfully clear and purring 32' tone, even lying on its back. Scaling the monkeys is difficult, since even if you get twelve monkeys =   that are graduated in size, the notes will fall out of regulation as the animals mature. When the monkeys are in heat, getting them to say put is nearly impossible. It is also unlikely that the organ's curator will want = to bring fresh bananas to the instrument on a daily basis. Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: 6-manual AEolian From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:29:02 EST   They did have a project for a six-manual instrument of 141 ranks for the Kindt Theatre in Davenport, Iowa. The 1925 project, spearheaded by BJ = Palmer of chiropractic fame, never made it to fruition. It was supposed to = feature a 25" wind pressure Brass division, three sets of Trompettes Militaires on = 50" wind, and a 64' Open Wood. A mockup of the console was built and photographed (sans shell), but it was never to be a reality.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:35:09 EST     --part1_1ab.114d76a1.2b8a7c6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/22/03 2:21:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > I wonder what Bach would have though about my > little Casio digital with the lighted keys.   He probably would have become an automechanic! ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1ab.114d76a1.2b8a7c6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/22/0=3D 3 2:21:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> I wonder what Bach would = h=3D ave though about my <BR>little Casio digital with the lighted keys.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#00000=3D 0" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>He probably would have become an automechanic! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1ab.114d76a1.2b8a7c6d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: 6 manual organs From: "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:48:13 -0800   There are a couple of 6 manual instruments in Europe. I think Ruffatti has one in Italy, and I seem to recall there is another in the German area. Randy --  
(back) Subject: Re: 6-manual AEolian From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:16:32 -0600   OH that's too bad. I am only 60 miles from there. Oh well. Gary Black ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: 6-manual AEolian     > They did have a project for a six-manual instrument of 141 ranks for the > Kindt Theatre in Davenport, Iowa. The 1925 project, spearheaded by BJ Palmer > of chiropractic fame, never made it to fruition. It was supposed to feature a > 25" wind pressure Brass division, three sets of Trompettes Militaires on 50" > wind, and a 64' Open Wood. A mockup of the console was built and > photographed (sans shell), but it was never to be a reality. > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Define Fake From: "Sloggy" <sloggy@sloggy.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:03:28 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0057_01C2DAF0.859C89B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Having been involved with the restoration of three "Theater Pipe =3D Organs", and having been employed by Wurlitzer, Conn, and Viscount on =3D the Electronic side, it never ceases to amaze me that this "debate" goes = =3D on. Each have their merits, and each have their own drawbacks. For many institutions these days installing even a restored pipe organ =3D (never mind a new build), is financially out of the question. For those places, the Viscount offers great value for money, and a =3D perfectly reasonable sound. Allen as I remember weren't too bad on the =3D classical side. For the lighter side, frankly I'd rather play the Conn 650 properly set = =3D up, than the little two manual 4 stop Theater Organ I played years ago =3D in a local cinema which only had flute, string, horn and vox with a few = =3D bangs and whistles.=3D20 Sure there is nothing like the sound of a large theater organ but it's =3D horses for courses. I've played the 4/16 Wurlitzer in the Gaumont State = =3D Kilburn (3-5 second delay!), but I could never fit it in my front room. Having worked for Wurlitzer (electronic), I have to confess that I never = =3D trully warmed to their electronic versions, much preferring the Conn, or = =3D Rodgers.=3D20 Later I became an Organ Retailer and carried several lines including =3D Lowrey. The MX1 (I sold the first one to be imported into the UK after =3D having witnessed its launch at the Music Trade Fair in Chicago), was an = =3D incredible instrument for it's time. Not classical and not theatre, but = =3D it had great brass voices, the nearest thing to strings (at that time), = =3D and a fantastic array of rhythms and accompaniments. The purists will faint dead away at that thought, but for the humble =3D amateur (and professional alike) to be able to produce that fantastic =3D Big Band sound in their front room was just a dream come true.=3D20 Come on guys - in the great scheme of things there's room for both.   Michael Beattie (UK)       Pipechatters, I had become quite bored with the digital vs pipe debate despite the =3D fact that it appears that tempers have died down somewhat. I read with = =3D interest Darrell Coons' posting in which he referred to his church's =3D organ as=3D20 I thought you guys referred to electronic organs - regardless of =3D technology - as fakes. Somebody please clarify for me. Thanks, Keith ------=3D_NextPart_000_0057_01C2DAF0.859C89B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Having been involved with the =3D restoration of three=3D20 "Theater Pipe Organs", and having been employed by Wurlitzer, Conn, and = =3D Viscount=3D20 on the Electronic side, it never ceases to amaze me that this "debate" =3D goes=3D20 on.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Each have their merits, and each have = =3D their own=3D20 drawbacks.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>For many institutions these days =3D installing even a=3D20 restored pipe organ (never mind a new build), is financially out of = the=3D20 question.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>For those places, the Viscount offers = =3D great value=3D20 for money, and a perfectly reasonable sound. Allen as I remember weren't = =3D too bad=3D20 on the classical side.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>For the lighter side, frankly I'd =3D rather=3D20 play&nbsp;the Conn 650 properly set up, than the little two manual 4 =3D stop=3D20 Theater Organ I played years ago in a local cinema&nbsp;which only had =3D flute,=3D20 string, horn and vox with a few bangs and whistles. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sure there is nothing like the sound of =3D a large=3D20 theater organ but it's horses for courses. I've played the 4/16 =3D Wurlitzer in the=3D20 Gaumont State Kilburn (3-5 second delay!), but I could never fit it in =3D my front=3D20 room.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Having worked for Wurlitzer =3D (electronic), I have to=3D20 confess that I never trully warmed to their electronic versions, much =3D preferring=3D20 the Conn, or Rodgers. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Later I became an Organ Retailer and = =3D carried=3D20 several lines including Lowrey. The MX1 (I sold the first one to be =3D imported=3D20 into the UK after having witnessed its launch at the Music Trade Fair in = =3D   Chicago), was an incredible instrument for it's time. Not classical and = =3D not=3D20 theatre, but it had great brass voices, the nearest thing to strings (at = =3D that=3D20 time), and a fantastic array of rhythms and accompaniments.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The purists will faint dead away at = =3D that thought,=3D20 but for the humble amateur (and professional alike) to be able to =3D produce that=3D20 fantastic Big Band sound in their front room was just a dream come true. = =3D   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Come on guys - in the great scheme of = =3D things=3D20 there's room for both.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Michael Beattie (UK)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV><FONT =3D face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Pipechatters,<BR>I =3D had become=3D20 quite bored with the digital vs pipe debate despite the fact that it =3D appears=3D20 that tempers have died down somewhat.&nbsp; I read with interest =3D Darrell=3D20 Coons' posting in which he referred to his church's organ as <BR>I =3D thought you=3D20 guys referred to electronic organs - regardless of technology - as=3D20 fakes.&nbsp; Somebody please clarify for =3D me.<BR>Thanks,<BR>Keith</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0057_01C2DAF0.859C89B0--      
(back) Subject: Re: Define Fake From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:41:13 -0500   ...the purists will faint dead away at that thought, but for the humble = amateur (and professional alike) to be able to produce that fantastic Big Band sound in their front room was just a dream come true. Come on guys - in the great scheme of things there's room for both. Michael Beattie (UK)   Dear Sloggie: Here is 'fake' as only certain individuals do it in our USA...   http://theatreorgans.com/houseon.rck/   Stan