PipeChat Digest #3494 - Sunday, February 23, 2003
 
Re: 6 manual organs
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: 6 manual organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Define Fake
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: 6 manual organs
  by "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de>
Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh*
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
RE: Define Fake
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
Re: Define Fake
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
new "organ"
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh*
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: FBC Jackson MS
  by "Joshua Edwards" <organman@cablenet-va.com>
Re: more on performance practice
  by "Philip Thibault" <pthibaul@maine.rr.com>
Re: "unexpressive"
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Blackburn Cathedral organ
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Define Fake
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Johann Nepomuk David
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Sorabji
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: 6 manual organs From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:49:19 -0600   Randy Terry is correct. There is a six-manual Ruffatti in the Monreale Cathedral in Sicily of 137 ranks. There is a six-manual organ in the Dom = in Mainz, originally by Klais in 1928, rebuilt by Kemper in 1983, I believe. = I have never seen the stoplist of the Mainz organ.   Sand Lawn    
(back) Subject: Re: 6 manual organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:58:40 -0600   Randy Terry wrote: > > There are a couple of 6 manual instruments in Europe. I think > Ruffatti has one in Italy, and I seem to recall there is another in > the German area. Randy   I think you are probably thinking of the Ruffatti in the Cathedral in Monreale, Sicily.   Talking of large instruments, we at Quimby Pipe Organs are currently building a 5 manual, 155 rank organ for First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi. This is replacing a rather larger instrument -- a 1971 Keates-Geissler organ of 231 ranks, which itself incorporated pipework from the church's original 4 manual Skinner and the 5 manual Casavant formerly in the Royal York Hotel in Toronto. About 50% of the pipework in the QPO organ will be from the Skinner and Casavant organs. The church seats 5,500 people and the QPO organ will include a 32' Double Open Wood, and two full-length 32' reeds, one on 25" wind! It is due for completion at the end of the year.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Define Fake From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:22:48 -0500   On 2/23/03 3:41 PM, "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> wrote:   > Dear Sloggie: > Here is 'fake' as only certain individuals do it in our USA... > > http://theatreorgans.com/houseon.rck/ > Good grief and gravy! I just remembered why I never permit European visitors to go west of the Hudson River.   Alan (born and [somewhat] reared in the Midwest    
(back) Subject: Re: 6 manual organs From: "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:46:56 +0100   From: "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:48 PM     > There are a couple of 6 manual instruments in Europe. I think > Ruffatti has one in Italy, ...   Duomo in Monreale   .... and I seem to recall there is another in > the German area.   Hohe Domkirche in Mainz.   Greetings   Arno    
(back) Subject: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh* From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:15:41 -0600   I was listening to pipe dreams and the Calgary organ competition. I was listening to this young student play Bach's tocatta adagio and fugue in C major. She was technically brilliant and playing so very nicely, until I heard one thing that just unnerved me...she was pausing between all of the phrases, and it sounded like she was having difficulty keeping the time as = a result. Which wasn't the case, but I wondered why in gods name she was doing that. I asked my partner about it, and he said that it was unfortunately the way that she was taught. He wasn't completely sure = about where it started but said it's the current fad...supposedly that the = organs of Bach's time didn't have the capability of expression, (i.e. Swells) so = in order to come up with an expressiveness pausing was necessary. What it = IS, is not expressive, but distracting. It takes away from the listeners enjoyment, and doubtless the players enjoyment of performing. It is = almost as irritating a trend as the one that says Bach's music was meant only to = be performed with x, y, and z registration, when in fact, it's apparent that Bach never used any specific registrations, with the exception of one possible tocatta. (I can't remember the name.) I have no problem with peoples preferences....the 'purist' camp as opposed to the 'non-purist' camp. I do however feel that by limiting the expressiveness of music, and following the dictates of political correctness, and following religiously all of the "rule books", you're killing that which is loved so deeply and = so intimately by so many of us who are musically inclined. How popular is organ music anymore to the general public, much less something that young people are interested in learning or performing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Virgil Fox once said to his students "don't play like = trained birds in a cage." I think if I was a student now, I would have no problem with a teacher wanting to show me correct organ technique, in order to = make me a strong player....but I would have no patience with him or her telling me what the correct registrations were to use in playing Bach's music:   "Don't do it that way!" "Why not?" "Because I said so." "And why do you say so?" "Because that's NOT the way Bach meant for it to be played." "How do YOU know how he meant for it to be played?" "It's clearly written in the music." "Oh REALLY?!!?!! Please show me specifically."   Stunned angry frustrated silence follows...Veins in said pompous = instructors forehead threaten to burst...in having been beaten in a battle of wits, = said instructor points venemously at me and thunders angrilly:   "You are an embarrassment to organists everywhere and an insult to music = and the works of Bach!"   "And by allowing myself to continue to be taught by the likes of YOU, I certainly WOULD be! Go away and let me play in peace.....Shoo!"   Now of course having said that, I can of course be extremely sympathetic = to the lovers of classical music, when you consider what "modern" mid = twentieth century classical composers have written. I will admit, the works of Durufle were an acquired taste, but I can appreciate his brilliance and = his technique...and while some of what he's written can be a touch dissonant = at times, he resolves it nicely...and there's quite a number of his stuff that's a delightful romp. I can only say that by having heard it....I = don't dare claim to have a smidgen of technique to be able to play ANYTHING of his. I just know it'd be fun. Anyone more modern than Durufle, I don't think I can handle, in the classical music sense. It seems like that = branch of modern classical music, has gone the way of modern art; The equivalent of the crushed campbells soup can being considered an intensely deep and thought provoking piece of art. Take the music of Phillip Glass for example...... >:-{)}   Respectfully yours, (in a delightfully curmudgeonly sort of way)   Bill      
(back) Subject: RE: Define Fake From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:23:28 -0600   "That's not a Moon, it's a SPACE STATION!" That thing is downright frightful looking, but you have to wonder, what something like that would sound like...a mixture of astonished delight, and fascinated revulsion...much like witnessing a train wreck, or even worse, listening = to anything that falls within the term "grunge rock." >:-{)}   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:23 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Define Fake     On 2/23/03 3:41 PM, "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> wrote:   > Dear Sloggie: > Here is 'fake' as only certain individuals do it in our USA... > > http://theatreorgans.com/houseon.rck/ > Good grief and gravy! I just remembered why I never permit European visitors to go west of the Hudson River.   Alan (born and [somewhat] reared in the Midwest     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Define Fake From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:03:54 -0500   ... a bushie is thinking about moving the 15/ 637 to DC. Their comment was: "It depends upon what your Definition of 'fake' is"       Bill Sebring wrote: > > "That's not a Moon, it's a SPACE STATION!" That thing is downright > frightful looking, but you have to wonder, what something like that = would > sound like...a mixture of astonished delight, and fascinated > revulsion...much like witnessing a train wreck, or even worse, listening = to > anything that falls within the term "grunge rock." >:-{)} > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Alan Freed > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:23 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Define Fake > > On 2/23/03 3:41 PM, "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> wrote: > > > Dear Sloggie: > > Here is 'fake' as only certain individuals do it in our USA... > > > > http://theatreorgans.com/houseon.rck/ > > > Good grief and gravy! I just remembered why I never permit European > visitors to go west of the Hudson River. > > Alan (born and [somewhat] reared in the Midwest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: new "organ" From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:23:52 -0500     <<<<BTW, did you know the "history" of that instrument? They brought it = in as a demo and said to the organist, "Oh, by the way, we have a new organ for = you to try out." Nothing like involvement, eh?!>>>>   They did exactly the same thing to me last week. A brand new digital piano------which is killing my hands. But my feelings hurt worse. I've been chewing on whether to quit or not.   Diane S.    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh* From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:25:53 -0500   What you have to understand about competitions is that the judges are looking at performances from a scholarly point of view, not as if they = were listening to dinner music. When dealing with Bach, there will always be "fads": switching of manuals or not, registration, phrasing, etc.   Recitals are completely different than competitions, and I would much = rather listen to a recital than a competition round personally. I bet if you = were to listen to that young lady play in recital somewhere, that her interpretation might be a little - or even a lot - different! She might = not phrase the way that she did at Calgary. There are lots of things that I = do for recitals that I would never do for a competition. Likewise, CD recordings aren't much more liberal.   Jim C       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh*     > I was listening to pipe dreams and the Calgary organ competition. I was > listening to this young student play Bach's tocatta adagio and fugue in = C > major. She was technically brilliant and playing so very nicely, until = I > heard one thing that just unnerved me...she was pausing between all of = the > phrases, and it sounded like she was having difficulty keeping the time = as a > result. Which wasn't the case, but I wondered why in gods name she was > doing that. I asked my partner about it, and he said that it was > unfortunately the way that she was taught. He wasn't completely sure about > where it started but said it's the current fad...supposedly that the organs > of Bach's time didn't have the capability of expression, (i.e. Swells) = so in > order to come up with an expressiveness pausing was necessary. What it IS, > is not expressive, but distracting. It takes away from the listeners > enjoyment, and doubtless the players enjoyment of performing. It is almost > as irritating a trend as the one that says Bach's music was meant only = to be > performed with x, y, and z registration, when in fact, it's apparent = that > Bach never used any specific registrations, with the exception of one > possible tocatta. (I can't remember the name.) I have no problem with > peoples preferences....the 'purist' camp as opposed to the 'non-purist' > camp. I do however feel that by limiting the expressiveness of music, = and > following the dictates of political correctness, and following = religiously > all of the "rule books", you're killing that which is loved so deeply = and so > intimately by so many of us who are musically inclined. How popular is > organ music anymore to the general public, much less something that = young > people are interested in learning or performing? Correct me if I'm = wrong, > but I believe Virgil Fox once said to his students "don't play like trained > birds in a cage." I think if I was a student now, I would have no = problem > with a teacher wanting to show me correct organ technique, in order to make > me a strong player....but I would have no patience with him or her = telling > me what the correct registrations were to use in playing Bach's music: > > "Don't do it that way!" > "Why not?" > "Because I said so." > "And why do you say so?" > "Because that's NOT the way Bach meant for it to be played." > "How do YOU know how he meant for it to be played?" > "It's clearly written in the music." > "Oh REALLY?!!?!! Please show me specifically." > > Stunned angry frustrated silence follows...Veins in said pompous instructors > forehead threaten to burst...in having been beaten in a battle of wits, said > instructor points venemously at me and thunders angrilly: > > "You are an embarrassment to organists everywhere and an insult to music and > the works of Bach!" > > "And by allowing myself to continue to be taught by the likes of YOU, I > certainly WOULD be! Go away and let me play in peace.....Shoo!" > > Now of course having said that, I can of course be extremely sympathetic to > the lovers of classical music, when you consider what "modern" mid twentieth > century classical composers have written. I will admit, the works of > Durufle were an acquired taste, but I can appreciate his brilliance and his > technique...and while some of what he's written can be a touch dissonant at > times, he resolves it nicely...and there's quite a number of his stuff > that's a delightful romp. I can only say that by having heard it....I don't > dare claim to have a smidgen of technique to be able to play ANYTHING of > his. I just know it'd be fun. Anyone more modern than Durufle, I don't > think I can handle, in the classical music sense. It seems like that branch > of modern classical music, has gone the way of modern art; The = equivalent > of the crushed campbells soup can being considered an intensely deep and > thought provoking piece of art. Take the music of Phillip Glass for > example...... >:-{)} > > Respectfully yours, (in a delightfully curmudgeonly sort of way) > > Bill > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: FBC Jackson MS From: "Joshua Edwards" <organman@cablenet-va.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:53:19 -0500   John,   Just wondering, but why are they scaling down in size?   Josh Edwards Interim Director of Music Thaxton Baptist Church Bedford, VA   John L. Speller wrote:   >Randy Terry wrote: > > >>There are a couple of 6 manual instruments in Europe. I think >>Ruffatti has one in Italy, and I seem to recall there is another in >>the German area. Randy >> >> > >I think you are probably thinking of the Ruffatti in the >Cathedral in Monreale, Sicily. > >Talking of large instruments, we at Quimby Pipe Organs are >currently building a 5 manual, 155 rank organ for First >Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi. This is replacing a >rather larger instrument -- a 1971 Keates-Geissler organ of >231 ranks, which itself incorporated pipework from the >church's original 4 manual Skinner and the 5 manual Casavant >formerly in the Royal York Hotel in Toronto. About 50% of >the pipework in the QPO organ will be from the Skinner and >Casavant organs. The church seats 5,500 people and the QPO >organ will include a 32' Double Open Wood, and two >full-length 32' reeds, one on 25" wind! It is due for >completion at the end of the year. > >John Speller > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: more on performance practice From: "Philip Thibault" <pthibaul@maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:14:19 -0500   Del Case   Is the same Del Case from Madame Thibault's French Class in Cumberland?  
(back) Subject: Re: "unexpressive" From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:22:12 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   This reminds me of another story!   John Compton luminous stop controls were very elegant, push-button affairs which lit up when on, and went dark when pushed again.   Problem was, the darned bulbs would blow, but the stop could easily be on but unlit.   The City Organist at Hull City Hall (4 manual/180+ stops) Would often play a quiet passage on the big Orchestral Trumpet!   Usually followed by his involuntary cry of, "Bugger!"   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I tried to play a Wurlitzer with second touch > once, but the keys > just wouldn't light up----   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Blackburn Cathedral organ From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:30:55 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I will gladly set out the changes to the stop-list of the organ at Blackburn Cathedral when I have a little time and the brochure to hand.   Briefly, nothing has changed to the old stop-list, but there are a few new stops (pipes) on a new Solo Organ and one or two re-positioning of things. The Walker digital stops are, of course, on the pedal organ.   Interestingly, the windchests were in a very poor condition and have been totally replaced throughout.   I suspect that the original J W Walker soundboards were made at a time when "alternative" modern materials were being used.....things such as "chipboard" and the like. We all now know that such materials are far from stable or long-lived.   As I mentioned in my report, the organ is sounding absolutely wonderful; and the tonal additions have not, in any way, altered the sound of the original Walker tonal masterpiece.   More to follow.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Hugh Drogemuller <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Can Colin Mitchell share with us the stop list as it > now is. Blackburn's > web site has not been updated to reflect the recent > changes.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Define Fake From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:35:17 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   A little international misunderstanding here!   The organ I play is all pipes....quality ones.   The "fake" reference is concerned with the fact that it is "fake-baroque" or "neo-baroque".   I hope that this clarifies the matter.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote: > Pipechatters,   > Similarly Colin Mitchell > referred to a "fake" of > "eleven speaking stops" in his posting > , but I can't tell whether he's referring to a reed > organ or a small pipe > organ.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Johann Nepomuk David From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:09:49 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Horror of horrors.....my memory failed me completely!   A few weeks ago, I suggested that Johann Nepomuk David had spent time in the UK, but it seems that I had confused two completely different tales.....hardly surprising considering that the conversations were a good thirty years ago!   Paul Emmons expressed interest in all this, but what I have discovered is even more interesting.   There was an organ composer (and lots of other non-organ works) by the name of .....wait for it.... Kaikoshru Shapurji Sorabji. Apparently he wrote immense compositions, but then barred any publich performances of them!! Born around 1888 and living until he was 96, he was a well known music critic for "Musical Opinion" here in the UK.   At the time of posting my first bit about Johann N David, I suggested that my friend had some original manuscripts or somesuch.   Now the PROPER facts.   The composer Sorabji (he had an Indian mother) entered into extensive correspondence with my friend, Philip Tordoff, and Mr Tordoff has all the original letters to this day.   Obviously, this is probably quite important material.   Mr Tordoff has hinted that I might wish to look at the correspondence and take copies.   So if this is of interest to any musicologists or educational people, then I can pursue this with pleasure on their behalf.   Sorabji apparently adopted more normal "Christian" names, making himself known as Leon Dudley Sorabji.   So, for starters, does anyone know/play the organ (or any other) works of Sorabji?   What is his reputation to-day?   Was he an important composer?   This seems to me like the start of what could be an important bit of musical history.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     PS: The Organist Emeritus of York Minster, Dr Francis Jackson, has some original letters from Maurice Ravel!                             __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Sorabji From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:40:25 -0500   Dear Colin and List,   Well, those who attended ICO in Cambridge in 1987 certainly got a strong dose of Sorabji! The last day of the convention was a London Day, and we = all trouped along to Holy Trinity, Sloan Square to hear Thomas Trotter and = Kenin Bowyer try to make sense out of the Sorabji Organ Symphony, in its first performance. I am afraid to the usually wonderfully open-minded me, it sounded like counterpoint borne of dimentia, and it lasted, I guess, about three hours, only two of which I heard, having refused to miss another = event at Westminster Cathedral. (The event began over an hour late, thanks to = the incredibly botched organization of that entire congress.) Kevin Bowyer has recorded the entire Symphony, I am not sure on what label, or on how many CDs, so you have a chance to listen to it and form your own opinion.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: Johann Nepomuk David     > Hello, > > Horror of horrors.....my memory failed me completely! > > A few weeks ago, I suggested that Johann Nepomuk David > had spent time in the UK, but it seems that I had > confused two completely different tales.....hardly > surprising considering that the conversations were a > good thirty years ago! > > Paul Emmons expressed interest in all this, but what I > have discovered is even more interesting. > > There was an organ composer (and lots of other > non-organ works) by the name of .....wait for it.... > Kaikoshru Shapurji Sorabji. Apparently he wrote > immense compositions, but then barred any publich > performances of them!! Born around 1888 and living > until he was 96, he was a well known music critic for > "Musical Opinion" here in the UK. > > At the time of posting my first bit about Johann N > David, I suggested that my friend had some original > manuscripts or somesuch. > > Now the PROPER facts. > > The composer Sorabji (he had an Indian mother) entered > into extensive correspondence with my friend, Philip > Tordoff, and Mr Tordoff has all the original letters > to this day. > > Obviously, this is probably quite important material. > > Mr Tordoff has hinted that I might wish to look at the > correspondence and take copies. > > So if this is of interest to any musicologists or > educational people, then I can pursue this with > pleasure on their behalf. > > Sorabji apparently adopted more normal "Christian" > names, making himself known as Leon Dudley Sorabji. > > So, for starters, does anyone know/play the organ (or > any other) works of Sorabji? > > What is his reputation to-day? > > Was he an important composer? > > This seems to me like the start of what could be an > important bit of musical history. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > PS: The Organist Emeritus of York Minster, Dr Francis > Jackson, has some original letters from Maurice Ravel! >