PipeChat Digest #3495 - Monday, February 24, 2003
 
Re: FBC Jackson MS
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: 6 manual organs
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
RE: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh*
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: FBC Jackson MS From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:21:35 -0800 (PST)   I saw that Keates-Geisler monstrosity a few years ago. They claimed that it had 231 ranks of pipes. When I saw it, it might have had 65 ranks, but nowhere near 231. They claimed it was a rebuild and enlargement of a Skinner organ, built around 1940 after Ernest M. Skinner left =C6olian-Skinner. I didn't see anything in there that remotely resembled a Skinner organ. The best sound that mess produced came out of the blower room.   D. Keith Morgan   --- Joshua Edwards <organman@cablenet-va.com> wrote: > John, > > Just wondering, but why are they scaling down in > size? > > Josh Edwards > Interim Director of Music > Thaxton Baptist Church > Bedford, VA > > John L. Speller wrote: > > >Randy Terry wrote: > > > > > >>There are a couple of 6 manual instruments in > Europe. I think > >>Ruffatti has one in Italy, and I seem to recall > there is another in > >>the German area. Randy > >> > >> > > > >I think you are probably thinking of the Ruffatti > in the > >Cathedral in Monreale, Sicily. > > > >Talking of large instruments, we at Quimby Pipe > Organs are > >currently building a 5 manual, 155 rank organ for > First > >Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi. This is > replacing a > >rather larger instrument -- a 1971 Keates-Geissler > organ of > >231 ranks, which itself incorporated pipework from > the > >church's original 4 manual Skinner and the 5 manual > Casavant > >formerly in the Royal York Hotel in Toronto. About > 50% of > >the pipework in the QPO organ will be from the > Skinner and > >Casavant organs. The church seats 5,500 people and > the QPO > >organ will include a 32' Double Open Wood, and two > >full-length 32' reeds, one on 25" wind! It is due > for > >completion at the end of the year. > > > >John Speller > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: 6 manual organs From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:26:40 -0800 (PST)   There is a 6-manual Schulke tracker in a concert hall in Korea. I can't remember the name now. That must be a real experience to play with 5 manuals coupled to the one you are playing.   D. Keith Morgan     --- Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> wrote: > From: "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:48 PM > > > > There are a couple of 6 manual instruments in > Europe. I think > > Ruffatti has one in Italy, ... > > Duomo in Monreale > > ... and I seem to recall there is another in > > the German area. > > Hohe Domkirche in Mainz. > > Greetings > > Arno > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh* From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:36:14 -0600   I agree with you completely Jim...."scholarly points of view" always make = me a tad bit nervous. Too many tenured people around with a proponderance of uhm....plexiglass belly button outlooks on life. >:-{)}   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Jim Clouser Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:26 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh*     What you have to understand about competitions is that the judges are looking at performances from a scholarly point of view, not as if they = were listening to dinner music. When dealing with Bach, there will always be "fads": switching of manuals or not, registration, phrasing, etc.   Recitals are completely different than competitions, and I would much = rather listen to a recital than a competition round personally. I bet if you = were to listen to that young lady play in recital somewhere, that her interpretation might be a little - or even a lot - different! She might = not phrase the way that she did at Calgary. There are lots of things that I = do for recitals that I would never do for a competition. Likewise, CD recordings aren't much more liberal.   Jim C       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Organ teachers politically correct agendas.....*sigh*     > I was listening to pipe dreams and the Calgary organ competition. I was > listening to this young student play Bach's tocatta adagio and fugue in = C > major. She was technically brilliant and playing so very nicely, until = I > heard one thing that just unnerved me...she was pausing between all of = the > phrases, and it sounded like she was having difficulty keeping the time = as a > result. Which wasn't the case, but I wondered why in gods name she was > doing that. I asked my partner about it, and he said that it was > unfortunately the way that she was taught. He wasn't completely sure about > where it started but said it's the current fad...supposedly that the organs > of Bach's time didn't have the capability of expression, (i.e. Swells) = so in > order to come up with an expressiveness pausing was necessary. What it IS, > is not expressive, but distracting. It takes away from the listeners > enjoyment, and doubtless the players enjoyment of performing. It is almost > as irritating a trend as the one that says Bach's music was meant only = to be > performed with x, y, and z registration, when in fact, it's apparent = that > Bach never used any specific registrations, with the exception of one > possible tocatta. (I can't remember the name.) I have no problem with > peoples preferences....the 'purist' camp as opposed to the 'non-purist' > camp. I do however feel that by limiting the expressiveness of music, = and > following the dictates of political correctness, and following = religiously > all of the "rule books", you're killing that which is loved so deeply = and so > intimately by so many of us who are musically inclined. How popular is > organ music anymore to the general public, much less something that = young > people are interested in learning or performing? Correct me if I'm = wrong, > but I believe Virgil Fox once said to his students "don't play like trained > birds in a cage." I think if I was a student now, I would have no = problem > with a teacher wanting to show me correct organ technique, in order to make > me a strong player....but I would have no patience with him or her = telling > me what the correct registrations were to use in playing Bach's music: > > "Don't do it that way!" > "Why not?" > "Because I said so." > "And why do you say so?" > "Because that's NOT the way Bach meant for it to be played." > "How do YOU know how he meant for it to be played?" > "It's clearly written in the music." > "Oh REALLY?!!?!! Please show me specifically." > > Stunned angry frustrated silence follows...Veins in said pompous instructors > forehead threaten to burst...in having been beaten in a battle of wits, said > instructor points venemously at me and thunders angrilly: > > "You are an embarrassment to organists everywhere and an insult to music and > the works of Bach!" > > "And by allowing myself to continue to be taught by the likes of YOU, I > certainly WOULD be! Go away and let me play in peace.....Shoo!" > > Now of course having said that, I can of course be extremely sympathetic to > the lovers of classical music, when you consider what "modern" mid twentieth > century classical composers have written. I will admit, the works of > Durufle were an acquired taste, but I can appreciate his brilliance and his > technique...and while some of what he's written can be a touch dissonant at > times, he resolves it nicely...and there's quite a number of his stuff > that's a delightful romp. I can only say that by having heard it....I don't > dare claim to have a smidgen of technique to be able to play ANYTHING of > his. I just know it'd be fun. Anyone more modern than Durufle, I don't > think I can handle, in the classical music sense. It seems like that branch > of modern classical music, has gone the way of modern art; The = equivalent > of the crushed campbells soup can being considered an intensely deep and > thought provoking piece of art. Take the music of Phillip Glass for > example...... >:-{)} > > Respectfully yours, (in a delightfully curmudgeonly sort of way) > > Bill > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" 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