PipeChat Digest #3499 - Tuesday, February 25, 2003
 
NYC recital this Sunday
  by "Christine Hoffman" <ch.hoffman@verizon.net>
Re: allen organ series
  by "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com>
Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government
  by "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com>
Southern Baptists and Geates-Keissler
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Tuba Magna's Shoes
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: X-Posted -- Rite help!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Skinner Pipework
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: allen organ series
  by "Don Sizemore" <dls@metalab.unc.edu>
Re: allen organ series
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government
  by <pccoadmin@earthlink.net>
Mainzer Dom Organ(s) 02
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Mainzer Dom Organ(s) 01
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Southern Baptists and Geates-Keissler
  by "Ronald David Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com>
Re: 6 manual organs
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3498 - 02/25/03
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
 

(back) Subject: NYC recital this Sunday From: "Christine Hoffman" <ch.hoffman@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:49:22 -0500   If you're in the nabe, don't forget Kent Tritle's recital this Sunday, March 2nd at 4:00 p.m. at St. Ignatius Loyola, Park Ave. and 84th Street.   Program: Bach: Prelude and Fugue in G Minor, BWV 535 Couperin: Mass for the Convents Pinkham: A Prophecy Mendelssohn: Soanta No. 1 in F Minor Guilmant: Sonata V in C Minor Franklin Ashdown: Homage to the Unknown, from Requiem for the Challenger (Scott McIntosh, trumpet) Liszt: Prelude and Fugue on BACH   Tickets $20/$15 at the door. Advance-sale discounts at 212.288.2520 or www.saintignatiusloyola.org   -Christine Hoffman Music Administrator Church of St. Ignatius Loyola  
(back) Subject: Re: allen organ series From: "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:05:38 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2DCA4.AECCCD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Paul, I'm dense. Could you please post the link to Yahoo to the Allen Organ =3D Owners List? Can't seem to find it. Thanks, Robert Clooney   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2DCA4.AECCCD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paul,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm dense.&nbsp; Could you please = post =3D the link to=3D20 Yahoo to the Allen Organ Owners List?&nbsp; Can't seem to find =3D it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks, Robert Clooney</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2DCA4.AECCCD80--      
(back) Subject: Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government From: "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:40:14 -0800 (PST)     --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@attbi.com> wrote: > OFF Topic for all my lists,   Why, yes it is. So why do you believe that you are entitled to cast aside those pesky rules and waste everyone's bandwidth on a posting that is clearly inappropriate? What, exactly, makes you so special?   > but this deliberate misinformation > is part of the war campaign.   And your evidence for this assertion is what, exactly?   > Please get wound up in > that rhetoric > for a moment and evaluate.   Well, I read the letter your posting included and darned if I could find anything wrong with it. The writer's grasp of history seemed very much to the point.   Evaluation: worthwhile and accurate, but still inappropriate for this list.   > Some people really believe this stuff..Is it Drugs > or Rush Limbaugh?   Neither of your offered explanations seems plausible. Drugs are generally eschewed by folks of a conservative bent--"better living through chemistry" is much more a liberal position--and Rush Limbaugh, though a marvelous entertainer is simply too recent a phenomenon to explain a philosophical movement which has been around for centuries.   Bottom line: the rules about OFF TOPIC posting apply to you. Please spare us further displays of unfounded halfbaked political rant unrelated to our subject.   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Southern Baptists and Geates-Keissler From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:01:43 EST   A list member asked why it the big Baptist arena churches in Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas that got rooked by these "250 ranks as a gift" = organs (see the legal proceedings). I think it may go back to a culture of bigger = is better, and maybe there IS such a thing as a free lunch. All observations seem to point to the fact that people fly into a = frenzy when they find out what it costs to invest in a fine pipe organ, but when they are offered something big for a song, and deep down, they KNOW = they're going to be burned, they go for it anyway. It's just too tempting...  
(back) Subject: Tuba Magna's Shoes From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:07:20 -0500   In case you can't find your shoes, they are on your forehead along with = your glasses! Regards, -- David G. Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: X-Posted -- Rite help! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:48:16 -0500   On 2/25/03 12:20 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> wrote:   > I need to have the rite of dedication for church furnishings, but I do = not > have access to the minister's edition that has that in it. Does anyone = have > a version that would work that they could please email me (offlist is = fine)? > This is for an ELCA church, but I can pretty much make do with whatever = is > handy. > > We replaced the pews in our choir "loft" with chairs, and Pastor wants = to > dedicate them this Sunday. > Jeff, I doubt very much that it's in the Ministers' Edition. I think = rather that it is in the book of Occasional Services; mine has been missing for ages. (It's a tallish dark green book with faux-leather binding.) But if you send me a fax number, I'll see if I can get my pastor to fax you the appropriate page(s). Or fax 'em to me, and I'll send you by e-mail.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Skinner Pipework From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:11:43 -0600   So John, tell us how to identify Skinner pipework more specifically. I've still got this reed rank I'd like to pin down, and after I posted my recent request, a couple of other listers told me they'd like to know, too.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower   -----Original Message-----   All this is recognizable from the distinctive Skinner and Casavant construction of the pipes and from the opus numbers stamped on the pipes, although much of it had been revoiced and would not have been recognizable from the sound.   John Speller          
(back) Subject: Re: allen organ series From: "Don Sizemore" <dls@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:29:16 -0500 (EST)     |I'm dense. Could you please post the link to Yahoo to the Allen |Organ Owners List? Can't seem to find it.   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allen-Organ-Owners/   thanks, donald www.ibiblio.org formerly known as SunSITE 919.962.5646 and stoof.    
(back) Subject: Re: allen organ series From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:32:02 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009C_01C2DCC1.843415C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Bob, Site is HTTP://groups.yahoo.com/group/allen-organ-owners/ Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: r=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: allen organ series     Paul, I'm dense. Could you please post the link to Yahoo to the Allen Organ = =3D Owners List? Can't seem to find it. Thanks, Robert Clooney     ------=3D_NextPart_000_009C_01C2DCC1.843415C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear Bob,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Site is = <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allen-organ-owners/">HTTP://groups.= =3D yahoo.com/group/allen-organ-owners/</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dbasset3@hvc.rr.com = href=3D3D"mailto:basset3@hvc.rr.com">r</A> =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 25, =3D 2003 8:05=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: allen organ =3D series</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paul,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm dense.&nbsp; Could you please = =3D post the link=3D20 to Yahoo to the Allen Organ Owners List?&nbsp; Can't seem to find=3D20 it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks, Robert Clooney</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009C_01C2DCC1.843415C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:33:49 -0500   Dear Dan, It is such stupidity which leads to war. Hopefully diplomatic = channels can solve this. Reminds me of Heinlein from Czechoslovakia writing to = German newspapers telling them how mistreated Germans were in the Sudetenland. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government     > > --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@attbi.com> wrote: > > OFF Topic for all my lists, > > Why, yes it is. So why do you believe that you are > entitled to cast aside those pesky rules and waste > everyone's bandwidth on a posting that is clearly > inappropriate? What, exactly, makes you so special? > > > but this deliberate misinformation > > is part of the war campaign. > > And your evidence for this assertion is what, exactly? > > > Please get wound up in > > that rhetoric > > for a moment and evaluate. > > Well, I read the letter your posting included and > darned if I could find anything wrong with it. The > writer's grasp of history seemed very much to the > point. > > Evaluation: worthwhile and accurate, but still > inappropriate for this list. > > > Some people really believe this stuff..Is it Drugs > > or Rush Limbaugh? > > Neither of your offered explanations seems plausible. > Drugs are generally eschewed by folks of a > conservative bent--"better living through chemistry" > is much more a liberal position--and Rush Limbaugh, > though a marvelous entertainer is simply too recent a > phenomenon to explain a philosophical movement which > has been around for centuries. > > Bottom line: the rules about OFF TOPIC posting apply > to you. Please spare us further displays of unfounded > halfbaked political rant unrelated to our subject. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: A Fake -Misinformation from the US Government From: <pccoadmin@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:40:39 -0600   Dear Pipechatters,   Your Administrators wholeheartedly agree that this topic is very far from appropriate for the Pipechat List.   May we all please simply drop the entire subject, completely?   Anyone compelled to comment further is, of course, welcome to do so via private email to any party who might be interested. But PLEASE, not to = the List.   Happy Pipechatting, Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator    
(back) Subject: Mainzer Dom Organ(s) 02 From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:17:46 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Stop List of the Mainzer Dom Organ:   The stop list is given taking into consideration the manuals of the *central* console, but it's referred in parentheses to what section of = what individual organ it belongs to. Stop names are given in original german spelling. See glossary at end of = the List.   FIRST MANUAL (South Choir Organ)   01 Quintade 16' 02 Prinzipal 8' 03 Gedakt 8' 04 Gemshorn 8' 05 Oktave 4' 06 Querflote 4' 07 Quintade 4' 08 Nasat 2-2/3' 09 Oktave 2' 10 Waldflote 2' 11 Mixtur IV 1-1/3' 12 Zymbel III 1/2' 13 Oboe 8' 14 Helltrompete 4' (Tremulant)   SECOND MANUAL ("North Wall Organ", Pos. of the West Choir O.)   15 Gedakt 16' 16 Prinzipal 8' 17 Hohlflote 8' 18 Quintade 8' 19 Salizional 8' 20 Oktave 4' 21 Rohrflote 4' 22 Blockflote 2' 23 Terzflote 1-3/5' 24 None 8/9' 25 Oktavlein 1/2' 26 Rauschpfeife II 2/3' 27 Mixtur V 1' 28 Rankett 16' 29 Trompete 8' 30 Geigenregal 4' (Tremulant) (Section enclosed in swellbox)   THIRD MANUAL (GO of the West Choir Organ)   31 Prinzipal 16' 32 Prinzipal 8' 33 Offenflote 8' 34 Schweizerpfeife 8' 35 Nachthorngedakt 8' 36 Oktave 4' 37 Nachthorn 4' 38 Quinte 2-2/3' 39 Oktave 2' 40 Mixtur IV-VI 41 Zymbel V 1' 42 Bombarde 16' 43 Trompete 8'   FOURTH MANUAL (SW. of the West Choir Organ)   44 Spitzflote 8' 45 Lieblich Gedakt 8' 46 Unda Maris 8' 47 Prinzipal 4' 48 Blockflote 4' 49 Nachthorn 2' 50 Nasat 1-1/3' 51 Sifflote 1' 52 Sesquialter 53 Scharff IV 54 Krummhorn 8' 55 Clairon 4' (Tremulant) (Section enclosed in swellbox)   FIFTH MANUAL (GO of the East Choir O.)   56 Pommer 16' 57 Prinzipal 8' 58 Holzflote 8' 59 Spitzgamba 8' 60 Oktave 4' 61 Quinatde 4' 62 Gedakt 4' 63 Quinte 2-2/3' 64 Oktave 2' 65 Rauschpfeife III 66 Scharff IV 67 Mixtur VIII 68 Spanische Fanfare 16' 69 Spanische Trompete 8' (Tremulant)   SIXTH MANUAL (SW of the East Choir O)   70 Spitzgedakt 8' 71 Quintade 8' 72 Salizet 8' 73 Lochflote 4' 74 Strichflote 4' 75 Prinzipal 2' 76 Waldflote 2' 77 Nenesesquialter III 78 Zwergzymbel V 79 Spanische Trombone 8' 80 Spanische Fanfare 4' (Tremulant) (Section enclosed in swellbox)   PEDAL:   From the West Choir Organ: 81 Untersatz 32' 82 Prinzipalbass 16' 83 Subbass 16' 84 Oktavbass 8' 85 Flotbass 8' 86 Pedaloktave 4' 87 Rauschpfeife IV 88 Posaune 16' 89 Schalmey 4' 90 Cornett 2'   From the North Wall section: 91 Prinzipalbass 16' 92 Gedaktbass 16' 93 Oktavbass 8' 94 Quintade 8' 95 Pedaloktave 4' 96 Nachthorn 2' 97 Rauschpfeife IV 98 Posaune 16' 99 Trompete 4'   From the East Choir Organ: 100 Pommer 16' 101 Subbass 16' 102 Oktavbass 8' 103 Gedecktbass 8' 104 Choralbass 4' 105 Quintade 2' 106 Rauschpfeife V 107 Spanische Trompete 16' 108 Spanische Trompete 8' 109 spanische Trompete 4' From the South Choir Section: 110 Subbass 16' 111 Flotbass 8' 112 Choralbass 4' 113 Trompete 8'   COUPLERS: All manual couplers All manual to pedal couplers (NO sub or superoctave couplers!)   AIDES: 4 free combinations 2 free pedal combinations Stop Crescendo (Roller type) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Brief glossary of some stop terms:   Prinzipal =3D Open Diapason Gedakt, Gedeckt =3D Stopped (Flute) Holzflote =3D wooden flute [Holz =3D wood] Nachthorn =3D Cor de Nuit, Nighthorn Helltrompete =3D Bright Trumpet, Clairon [hell =3D bright] Querflote=3DTraverse Flute; Flute Traversiere Oktavlein=3DOctavin, "little octave" Offenflote=3DOpen Flute Schweizerpfeife=3D a wide (OD) scaled overblowing flute Untersatz=3D a 32' Subbass Krummhorn =3D Cromhorne Spitzgamba =3D Tapered Gamba Salizet =3D Salitional Lochflote =3D "Hole Flute" Strichflote =3D "Stringed Flute" Zwergzymbel =3D Little cymbal; [Zwerg =3D dwarf] Rauschpfeife =3D a mixture composed of 2-2/3' + 2' without break. Can be = built in several (pair) rank numbers and pitches.    
(back) Subject: Mainzer Dom Organ(s) 01 From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:15:20 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear PipeListers! This information was intended originally for a thread that is going on in Pipechat, but considering it could be interesting for other people too I decided to X-post it.   Enjoy! (Part one is the description, part two the Stop List)   Andres. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Mainzer Dom has a very long history and housed many organs. In 1928, Klais built a Great Organ for the Dom (IV/75, EP), and when the actual = organ conception was carried out by Kemper, Lubeck in 1965 the Klais organ was used for the project. But the actual organ must be considered a Kemper.   The Organ concept of the Dom in Mainz goes away from traditional organ conception. Although it can be considered a six manual/ 113 stops organ, indeed there are three individual organs which are located: One at the = Sest Choir (chancel) and North Wall of the side nave; one at the East Choir; = and one at the South Choir of the Dom. Each individual organ has its own console. But they can be played together from a 6M/Ped main console- then, each organ becomes a section of the whole. The effect is overwhelming! This distribution became necessary due to the extremely difficult = accoustics of this church.   For an accurate description we have to consider each individual organ. To keep things simple, consider the foundation plan of the church as a cross: the Chancel (West Choir side) is the head; the East Choir is the foot; the North Wall side is the northern side arm of the cross (Indeed the architecture is more complex).   The greatest organ is the "West-Choir Organ" (III,P/ 58). Inspired by the spanish "twin Organs" concept, it's divided in two sections located on opposite sides of the chancel. The West Choir organ is mostly conformed by the GO and Swell sections the ancient Klais Organ. The GO (13 stops) is located at the south side of the chancel; the Swell (10 stops) at the = north side of the chancel. The Pedal section has 10 stops- regretfully I have no information where it's located. Another former section of the old Klais Organ conforms great part of the organ at the North Wall of the side nave (1 manual/16 stops, Pedal/9 = stops). This North Wall organ, although it conforms the Positive Section of the = West Choir Organ, can be used as an individual "Positiv" for worship accompaniment.   The Organ at the East Choir (II,P/ 35) was built by Kemper and is located = at the ancient "Emperor's Box" of the church. It's used for worship accompaniment.   The Organ of the South Choir (I,P/18)is mostly conformed by the ancient Klais Organ's 3rd manual and is located at the crossing section of the naves.   Of course all organs have EP actions given the complexity of the installation. The ancient Klais EP cone pallet windchests were conserved = as far as possible by Kemper.   The design of the organs (or organ sections if you prefer) is very modern and looks somewhat odd in the romanic architecture of the Dom. But it = could be that this effect was intended to show that the organ is a new 1965 artwork, hencefore a progress in the ongoing history of the ancient Dom. Many Architecture Conservation points of view had to be considered = however; for example the Chapter didn't permit to show the Chamades and the facade = of some sections had to be be partially hidden in order to leave an unobstructed view to architectural details.   The stop list developes a typical neobarroque disposition as it was usual = in german organs from the 1960's. It may look somewhat outdated to us, but at least it reveals a definite style, not an "Universal Spec". Nevertheless I have a record with works from Vierne (Carrillon de Westminster) and = Messiaen (Apparition de l'eglise Eternelle) with an astounding effect. Regretfully = I have no information which ranks are from the original Klais Organ. It = calls to attention that this organ doesn't have a 32' OD - perhaps this has to = do with the accoustics.   A look at the 1960's styled consoles with their "switched" free = combinations perhaps makes feel some nostalgia- today's consoles with digital devices look very different.    
(back) Subject: Re: Southern Baptists and Geates-Keissler From: "Ronald David Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:19:12 -0500   Dear SMG,   One idea that might work would be to offer Churches an online source of initial advice whereby a rotating schedule of reputable persons in the industry (such as yourself) might be available through the auspices of the Professional Organ Builders Societies to field inquiries with basic = answers along the lines of: "These are the Truths that We Hold". While there is much in Organ Building that varies according to style and design, still there must surely be some principles that can be universally applied. For example, Quality Control in the Airline Industry would almost certainly focus on (among other things) "delays, cancellations, lost baggage and crashes". What are the equivalent parameters in Organ Building?   It should also be possible create a system of "Technical Credentialing" similar to that set up by the Federal Government for Medicine---"The National Practitioner Data Bank" which collates and disseminates such information as malpractice lawsuits, criminal prosecutions, privilege suspensions and revocations, and increasingly, such illuminating details = as morbidity/mortality, complications, and infections, etc. Such a system would establish individualized performance track records for all persons engaged in this craft so that when a Church is contemplating a contract, they can access a source of objective information consisting of an individual's credentials, achievements, successes and failures. = Churches often times haven't any reliable basis on which to judge the credibility = of what they're being told. If what they're hearing is backed up by a documented record that reinforces an excellent reputation amongst an Organ Builder's peers, the cause of superior Organ Building will have been served.   Sincerely yours,   Ronald D. Gibson  
(back) Subject: Re: 6 manual organs From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:53:15 -0600   The Weingarten Abby organ (built by Joseph Gabler 1750) is 4 manuals (49 keys), 66 stops. A work of art!   Tim     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3498 - 02/25/03 From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:59:44 -0600     --Apple-Mail-8--830692000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed   On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 04:00 AM, Jeff White wrote:   > I need to have the rite of dedication for church furnishings, but I do > not > have access to the minister's edition that has that in it.   Jeff - the order you seek is NOT IN the <Minister's Edition> a book which every ELCA organist needs in his/her library.   Nor is it in the <Manual on the Liturgy> ditto above.   It is in yet a fourth volume: <Occasional Services>   My copy is in storage *accidentally* so I cannot help you, but you might try Dr. Karl Moyer from this list - check recent postings or the homepage for his address. I'm sure he would have it handy.   Larry L. Wheelock <the second L stands for Lut'trun>   Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood_umc.org On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 04:00 AM, PipeChat wrote:   >   --Apple-Mail-8--830692000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3DUS-ASCII   On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 04:00 AM, Jeff White wrote:     <excerpt>I need to have the rite of dedication for church furnishings, but I do not   have access to the minister's edition that has that in it.   </excerpt>   Jeff - the order you seek is NOT IN the <<Minister's Edition> a book which every ELCA organist needs in his/her library.     Nor is it in the <<Manual on the Liturgy> ditto above.     It is in yet a fourth volume: <<Occasional Services>     My copy is in storage *accidentally* so I cannot help you, but you might try Dr. Karl Moyer from this list - check recent postings or the homepage for his address. I'm sure he would have it handy.     Larry L. Wheelock <<the second L stands for Lut'trun>     <fontfamily><param>Herculanum</param><color><param>504E,0C0A,9F9D</param>La= rry Wheelock   Director of Music Ministries   Kenwood United Methodist Church   Milwaukee, Wisconsin   </color><underline><color><param>1998,1998,FFFE</param>musicdirector@kenwoo= d_umc.org</color></underline></fontfamily>   On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 04:00 AM, PipeChat wrote:     <excerpt>   </excerpt> --Apple-Mail-8--830692000--