PipeChat Digest #3349 - Wednesday, January 1, 2003
 
Unprotected seating; was: adequate lighting
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: adequate lighting
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Unprotected seating; was: adequate lighting
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Console lighting
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
HTML JUNK, was dumbing down and newspapers
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: adequate lighting
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Adjustable Bench
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Re expressing ourselves untactfully
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Spencer Blower problems
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
GAWWWD!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3345 - 01/01/03
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
PLEASE READ - Re: HTML JUNK, was dumbing down and newspapers
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
The HTML problem - All Read, Please
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Spencer Blower problems
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
subjunctive
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
subjunctive
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: Adjustable Bench
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Unprotected seating; was: adequate lighting From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:14:22 -0600   I remembered the most scared I ever was at an organ bench. The chapel at St. James, Fairhope, has a Hook & Hastings (am I not right, David? I spent the afternoon cooking, which saps my memory) in the tiny gallery. You literally have to climb a ladder to get up to the gallery, and the bench is next to the gallery rail, which is shorter than the bench height. I was petrified that I might accidentally lean back too far and plunge to my harm or death.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Randolph Runyon   I remember that one of the Parisian organs I visited (I think it was Sainte-Clotilde) was well lit by two lamps from the wall behind the bench. But there is no wall behind my bench--just the balcony railing, which is only slightly higher than the bench. Funny it doesn't give me acrophobia. The most scary perch I've so far seen in that regard is the one at Chartres, which someone recently accurately described as a swallow's nest on the wall.        
(back) Subject: Re: adequate lighting From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:24:57 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3124297497_1197279 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 1/1/03 8:10 PM, "Cremona502@cs.com" <Cremona502@cs.com> wrote:   > In a message dated 1/1/03 7:52:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes: >=3D20 >> I certainly agree. But I will have to insist on some oysters and clams = =3D on >> the half-shell as well. >>=3D20 > Very interesting, indeed. I didn't know clams did that!! ;-) >=3D20 It=3DB9s a matter of good Germanic Lutheran discipline. Teach =3D8Cem to = do it right, and they=3DB9ll not only DO it, but enjoy it! (Seriously, check = with your local seafood shoppe. They may not be able to supply; but = they=3DB9ll certainly be able discuss it. Small comfort.)   Alan   --B_3124297497_1197279 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: adequate lighting</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 1/1/03 8:10 PM, = &quot;Cremona502@cs.com&quo=3D t; &lt;Cremona502@cs.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">In a message = dated 1/1=3D /03 7:52:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes: = <BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman">I cer=3D tainly agree. &nbsp;But I will have to insist on some oysters and clams on = t=3D he half-shell as well. &nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"><BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">Very = interesti=3D ng, indeed. &nbsp;&nbsp;I didn't know clams did that!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">It&#8217;s a matter of = good G=3D ermanic Lutheran discipline. &nbsp;&nbsp;Teach &#8216;em to do it right, = and=3D they&#8217;ll not only DO it, but enjoy it! &nbsp;(Seriously, check with = yo=3D ur local seafood shoppe. &nbsp;They may not be able to supply; but = they&#821=3D 7;ll certainly be able discuss it. &nbsp;Small comfort.) &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3124297497_1197279--    
(back) Subject: Re: Unprotected seating; was: adequate lighting From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:34:10 EST     --part1_108.1d3c833f.2b44f112_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/1/03 8:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > I remembered the most scared I ever was at an organ bench. The chapel > at St. James, Fairhope, has a Hook & Hastings (am I not right, David? I > spent the afternoon cooking, which saps my memory) in the tiny gallery. > You literally have to climb a ladder to get up to the gallery, and the > bench is next to the gallery rail, which is shorter than the bench > height. I was petrified that I might accidentally lean back too far and > plunge to my harm or death. >   Sounds like a fun organ to play. The Pilcher at St. Anne's RC - Houston = was like that, but add to it that the screws in the bench were stripped and = there was about an inch play which resulted in side-to-side rocking. = Mercifully the new Visser-Rowland has the organist protected with not only a new = bench, but a ruck-positiv!   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 check out <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A>       --part1_108.1d3c833f.2b44f112_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/1/03 8:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I remembered the = most scared I ever was at an organ bench. &nbsp;The chapel <BR>at St. James, Fairhope, has a Hook &amp; Hastings (am I not right, = David? &nbsp;I <BR>spent the afternoon cooking, which saps my memory) in the tiny = gallery. <BR>You literally have to climb a ladder to get up to the gallery, and the <BR>bench is next to the gallery rail, which is shorter than the bench <BR>height. &nbsp;I was petrified that I might accidentally lean back too = far and <BR>plunge to my harm or death. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Sounds like a fun organ to play. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Pilcher at St. Anne's = RC - Houston was like that, but add to it that the screws in the bench = were stripped and there was about an inch play which resulted in = side-to-side rocking. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Mercifully the new Visser-Rowland = has the organist protected with not only a new bench, but a ruck-positiv! <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;check out &nbsp;&nbsp;<A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_108.1d3c833f.2b44f112_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Console lighting From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:48:57 -0600   Sure, Bruce. Then all you need is a gold lame' tux, a fur coat, and you = can be the Liberace of the organ! Nothing like a full length fox coat in Gainesville, Florida! That oughta wake up those Baptists!   Dennis Steckley _______________ hmmmm.... a couple of twelve-branch candelabrum might be attractive just behind the bench, with an oriental altar table in between with coffee in silver service and some nice hors d'ouvres. I know it's not an Episcopal church, but.... ;--)      
(back) Subject: HTML JUNK, was dumbing down and newspapers From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:51:46 -0500   Greetings all,   David recently posted a simple way to rid the Digest version of this fine = chatline of all that HTML junk.   Perhaps, David, you might repost this epistle now that our chatliners are = back to chatting.   Why?   Only today, I found FOUR (4) pipechat digested versions awaiting me. = Nearly half of the postings contained HTML crap.   That is simply rude to those of us who do select Pipechat's Digested = version. I was forced to pay for extra website minutes for all that HTML = junk.   David, I suspect that the errant persons were busy celebrating the season = when you first posted the "fix."   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: adequate lighting From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:01:21 -0800   When we moved the 1898 Koehnken & Grimm from Holy Cross monastery to Immaculata Church in Cincinnati, we salvaged some lovely old gooseneck light fixtures (originally gas?) with charming artichoke-design glass shades. I think they originally stood on the newel posts of the gallery rail at Holy Cross ... I don't recall how we installed them at Immaculata now, but we saved them. We put an unobtrusive brushed gold aluminum fluoresecent fixture over the music rack of the K & G in its new home that blended in well with the oak case.   Adequate lighting for the choir loft and the console was one of the things I addressed repeatedly with the building committee and the architect, but to no avail. The switches for the choir loft lights are in the sacristy at the other end of the church; the choir loft is very unevenly lit; at the moment two floor lamps from my living room light the sopranos' and altos' music. It's all being corrected, at considerable expense ... the builder claims it's "to spec" ... I asked him if he'd taken a light meter up there and walked around. He couldn't understand that I needed the entire floor-space in the loft lit EVENLY.   One thing that architects DON'T seem to get is that you CANNOT have the light for the choir shining in their FACES. It needs to come from directly ABOVE (preferably) or above and BEHIND.   We had a similar experience with the lighting for the chancel. Despite my warnings, they installed large theatre-type spotlights a couple of bays west of the communion rail that blinded the preacher at the pulpit, the reader at the lectern, and the priest at the altar whenever he turned to the congregation. They have since been replaced by lights behind the chancel arch that shine straight down.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Adjustable Bench From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:52:51 -0600   I took lessons years ago on a Schlieker that was used for instructional purposes. It had two blocks which fitted, one under each end of the = bench. Each side of the block had holes of the appropriate shape carved into it; there were different depths on each side--so there were effectively five different heights available--no blocks and each of the four sides of the block. The bench was quite secure as the blocks were custom designed for the instrument; they were in the same finish. Of course, where appearance doesn't matter, a couple of pieces of two by four will raise the bench 1 1/2".   Personally, I think the AGO standard is for midgets. I'm only 5'9", and a standard bench is WAY too low for me.   Dennis Steckley    
(back) Subject: Re: Re expressing ourselves untactfully From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:00:21 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: RE: Re expressing ourselves untactfully     > > On a similar note, I'm all for reviving "ain't" as a logical > contraction for "am not." We don't say "I'm a good organist, amn't > I?"--rather, we go for the ungrammatical "I'm a good organist, aren't > I?"   Actually, I would say: "I'm a good organist, am I not?" if I dared, but I won't ask, because I am afraid of the answer.   Cheers, and Happy New Year,   Malcolm      
(back) Subject: Re: Spencer Blower problems From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:15:50 -0600   Roy Redman wrote: > One of the organs we service has an old Spencer with sleve bearings and > slinger rings for oiling.   <Snippage>   > We are in process of developing a split ring that we can install without = dissembling the blower. Have > any of you had a similar problem? Perhaps your solution will help us > all   Roy,   Is there sufficient space for a split steel shaft collar to be inserted between the bearing and the housing that perhaps a thick leather disk in "C" cross-section could be glued to that?   Just a suggestion. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: GAWWWD! From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:38:06 -0600   Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > I used to work with a preacher who was a normal   > When the climax of the sermon came around he would always say, > "and then GAAAWWWWWWD blah blah...............it was > GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"   Obviously, he did it for emphasis. Maybe it was part of his Seminary training! Making GAWWD seem larger-than-life!   This wasn't a Baptist church by any chance, was it?   Happy New Year!   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3345 - 01/01/03 From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:46:20 +1300   Indeed, John, you are absolutely right and I was not being pedantic about that at all. Having done Latin for many years, I do indeed appreciate the subjunctive, indirect questions, all of that.   I was commenting, though apparently I didn't make it clear, that "like" is not a synonym for "as".   I remember an elderly lady in a parish years ago, lamenting "modern English", saying, "Would that it were not so." We both had a mighty laugh. Were I to laugh, might not you also? :-)   Ross   >Hey Ross - I'm not getting at you I promise, but "you and I were...." is >grammatically perfectly correct, as it is a plural structure. I was ..... >you were .... It is also used in the subjunctive "If I were you ...." and In >the Bleak Midwinter : If I were a shepherd, poor as I am .... >John Foss (Dip Ed (London)!!)      
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ - Re: HTML JUNK, was dumbing down and newspapers From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:48:44 -0600   At 8:51 PM -0500 01/01/03, Wuxuzusu@aol.com wrote: >Greetings all, > >David recently posted a simple way to rid the Digest version of this >fine chatline of all that HTML junk. > >Perhaps, David, you might repost this epistle now that our >chatliners are back to chatting. > >Why? > >Only today, I found FOUR (4) pipechat digested versions awaiting me. >Nearly half of the postings contained HTML crap. > >That is simply rude to those of us who do select Pipechat's Digested >version. I was forced to pay for extra website minutes for all that >HTML junk. > >David, I suspect that the errant persons were busy celebrating the >season when you first posted the "fix."   Folks   I don't normally quote a posting in such detail but I hope that all of you have read what Stan has written above. Since the "normal" digest, that comes out at 4:00 AM Central time, of this morning, which is really the digest of yesterday's posting, we have had three other Digests come out so far today with the fourth one in process. If EVERYONE had followed my instructions of last weekend, we might only be on our SECOND digest for today instead of the fourth one. From just looking through the digests i have to agree that over half of the content in those digests is all HTML garbage. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE follow the instructions on how to set your email for PLAIN TEXT. I am going to report my "epistle" from Saturday again in case some of you missed it.   While I have your attention I would also like to point out that we have been getting rather "off-topic" lately. Discussions about language, newspaper editors/writers, etc. is getting way far away from the topic for this list. I hope that we will wrap up those topics and get back to HAPPY PIPECHATTING!   I wish all of you a Happy New Year!   David   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: The HTML problem - All Read, Please From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:52:00 -0600   This is a repost from last Saturday morning. If you have any questions or need any help please feel free to contact us at the Administration address. I will also be sending private notes to those of you that are the worst offenders in posting HTML text. This is something that i really don't want to do and really don't have the time to do so I would appreciate it if EVERYONE will try to cooperate and follow the instructions on the Web Page. ***************************************************************   Folks   Following up on the discussion on the list, which was actually a bit "off-topic", over the last several days I have put together a page on the Web Site that will hopefully help members to set their email clients to send in Plain Text ONLY to the list. It may not have all the directions for all email clients but I think it covers the most prevalent email programs that are in use. I started collecting some of these instructions several months ago but the recent discussion finally caused me to put together this page. You will find the link to the page towards the bottom of this posting.   Although I did shudder a bit when Michael posted his note on Christmas Eve about the HTML problem I was also glad that someone other than the Administrators did a posting about it. Maybe, coming from a fellow list member, some of you are made more aware of the problems those members on the Digest have to deal with in reading mail from the list.   There is also one other problem with HTML and RTF (Rich Text Format) postings that has not been mentioned in the discussion over the last several days. That problem is the size of the emails that carry the HTML / RTF formatting. Those postings are over twice as large as a Plain Text posting so they fill up member's email inboxes much faster. They also cause the Digest to become much larger and to be sent out much more often. Because of this member's inboxes get filled and then mail to them starts to "bounce" Although, the rest of you don't have to deal with this problem of mailboxes being "over-quota", the Administrators have to. And as much as I hate to remove someone from the list because of bouncing mail there are times that I have to do that. The extra traffic on the Network gets a bit unbearable at times because of the bouncing mail.   The problem of these HTML / RTF postings has been discussed numerous times on the email list I belong to that deals with the list server software. As I think I mentioned in a post several days ago, the new version of the software is supposed to have automatic filtering capabilities to strip out the HTML / RTF formatting from the Digests. But that isn't available as of yet. The new version is in "Beta" test currently and the current "beta" doesn't have the capability in it.   Some of the other list administrators on the software list have come up with other means of dealing with the problem. One of them has written a "processor" for the server software that will reject any post that has anything other than Plain Text in it. Several other people have done away with Digest versions of their lists. Neither of these solutions are ones that I am comfortable with or would wish to impose on any of the lists that I run.   So until the new version of the list server software is release for "production" status I would ask that EVERYONE please take a look at your email sending set-up and see what you can do to send ONLY in Plain Text to the list. The information on the web page I have created has been gathered from and "stolen" <G> from various other web pages that are trying to deal with this same problem. it may not have answers for EVERY email program but I think it covers most of them. The AOL section only covers through version 7.0, I know that version 8.0 has been released but I have not been able to find any information about it as of yet.   Finally, I want to say THANK YOU to the suggest about making a financial contribution to help with the new software. And also thank those that have sent private emails offering to help. I appreciate the thought but I am not comfortable with having members help in that way. The best way you can help is to try to help by not sending except in Plain Text. I/we (Tim and I) do operate this list as our contribution to our community and are very glad to be able to provide this service. But also remember, we have limited time to deal with some of this and the less "bounced" mail I have to deal with on a daily basis the happier I am.   As some of you are aware, the PipeChat list is not the only email list I administer. So if you are on another list that is run from the PipeChat server, PLEASE use these same instructions for sending to those other lists. That will help alleviate the same problems on those lists.   I have saved the links to the new web pages for the end in the hopes that everyone will read all of the above. The new Plain Text page can be found at: http://www.pipechat.org/plaintext.html I have also set-up an Examples page showing what the problem is with formatted mail in the Digest. These examples have been taken from the last several days Digests and I have tried to keep the subject of them to the problem at hand. And by no means, am I trying to "pick on" or single out any members whose example I have used on that page. If one of your posts shows up on that page PLEASE don't be offended. The Examples page is at: http://www.pipechat.org/htmlexamples.html And the Plain Text page can be reached from the home page of the PipeChat web site.   Thank you for reading this long-winded "epistle" and Thank You for being a member of the PipeChat list.   Happy PipeChatting!!   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Spencer Blower problems From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:10:59 -0600   That is one of the ideas we are working on. Thanks! Roy   Richard Schneider wrote:   > Roy Redman wrote: > > > One of the organs we service has an old Spencer with sleve bearings = and > > slinger rings for oiling. > > <Snippage> > > > We are in process of developing a split ring that we can install = without dissembling the blower. Have > > any of you had a similar problem? Perhaps your solution will help us > > all > > Roy, > > Is there sufficient space for a split steel shaft collar to be inserted > between the bearing and the housing that perhaps a thick leather disk in > "C" cross-section could be glued to that? > > Just a suggestion. > -- > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > Pipe Organ Builders > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (217) 944-2527 FAX > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: subjunctive From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:19:51 -0800 (PST)   I was so sorry to read lately in the biography of a noted and respected writer of influence that he never used the subjunctive in his writing for television.   I wanted to puke.   Why should he want to sabotage good use of English language purposefully with a dual standard: one for publishing different from broadcast (where most people congregate).   If I was a rich man and you was a lady ... would you write it anyway ... oh, heck, why bother?     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: subjunctive From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:20:31 -0800 (PST)   I was so sorry to read lately in the biography of a noted and respected writer of influence that he never used the subjunctive in his writing for television.   I wanted to puke.   Why should he want to sabotage good use of English language purposefully with a dual standard: one for publishing different from broadcast (where most people congregate).   If I was a rich man and you was a lady ... would you write it anyway ... oh, heck, why bother?     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Adjustable Bench From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:29:01 -0600   I just scoot the bench back. I am 6'0" with fairly long legs. This works fine for me. If I leave it up, my knees hit the underneath side of the console and I feel cramped. If I am back, I find it much easier to maneuver.   Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Adjustable Bench     > > Personally, I think the AGO standard is for midgets. I'm only 5'9", and = a > standard bench is WAY too low for me. > > Dennis Steckley > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >