PipeChat Digest #3360 - Tuesday, January 7, 2003
 
Re: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Re expressing ourselves untactfully
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
RE: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Take a stand and make a difference! (crossposted)(long)
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders
  by "Mark Koontz" <markkoontz@yahoo.com>
Re: Music Christmas II
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
D.  B=E9dard (was Music Christmas II)
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Re: D.  B=E9dard (was Music Christmas II)
  by "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk>
Pipe Cleaner
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible
  by "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com>
Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Introduction
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
Re: Introduction
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:38:52 -0500   At 12:32 AM 07/01/2003 -0400, Daniel wrote: > Does anyone know of what I would need to do? >I need a good insurance company   What you really need first and foremost is a good insurance BROKER. These people understand the ins and outs and are able to play several insurance companies off of each other in order to look after you. Organs are organs, and they exist in thousands of houses every day....your company is just siezing the opportunity to be slimy. It = happens.   The 9 instruments at my place in Ontario range from an 1859 Steinway (how many of those do you see in houses these days?) through a 1990 Allen 3m. Our broker didn't bat an eyelash at the value on their heads, and the company they set us up with is happy.   Grab the yellow pages for the city (50,000 people or more) = nearest you (see www.yellowpages.ca if you don't have a city book), and start talking to the largest brokerage firms who work with several insurance companies. Explain that you have a small residence pipe organ worth <insert rough value here>, and that <name of your company> is refusing coverage, which means you need a new company. They'll know how to help = you.   Have fun! Ad ;->      
(back) Subject: Re: Re expressing ourselves untactfully From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:19:33 -0600     --------------94F553431CADA00A3EDA7DFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote:   > Posters, > > I missed a couple of these postings. Since we've been so brave as to > bring up the "F" word, I'd like to ask our linguists about the "S" > word that rhymes with the "F" word. Is "sucks" or "sux" a bad word or > not? It seems to be a favorite exclamation among teens. I even saw > it used as an adjective on a billboard last year outside Atlanta - it > read, "Now, for some gifts that aren't sucky". Scientists say > "gravity sucks". >   I don't know about linguistic derivations - but I think the extent of the vulgarity depends on the context. When used as a verb followed by "me" - I would say it is definitely obscene - as in the phone calls one of my coworkers received the other day.   Then, of course, in the language of West Texas, it can be accompanied by modifiers. A friend of mine used to say that particularly distasteful situations "suck swampwater". If it was really bad, it "sucked swampwater HARD." And if she was asked to participate in the event, she would likely tell you that she "would rather eat grub worms raw." But that was only if she was "telling you how the cow ate the cabbage."   Living metaphorically in Texas, Margo   --------------94F553431CADA00A3EDA7DFA Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"Arial"><font = size=3D-1>Posters,</font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I missed a couple of these = postings.&nbsp; Since we've been so brave as to bring up the "F" word, I'd like to ask our linguists about the "S" word that rhymes with the "F" word.&nbsp; Is "sucks" or "sux" a bad word or not?&nbsp; It seems to be a favorite = exclamation among teens.&nbsp; I even saw it used as an adjective on a billboard last year outside Atlanta - it read, "Now, for some gifts that aren't = sucky".&nbsp; Scientists say "gravity sucks".</font></font> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote> I don't know about linguistic derivations - but I think the extent of the vulgarity depends on the context.&nbsp; When used as a verb followed by "me" - I would say it is definitely obscene - as in the phone calls one of my coworkers received the other day. <p>Then, of course, in the language of West Texas, it can be accompanied by modifiers.&nbsp; A friend of mine used to say that particularly = distasteful situations "suck swampwater".&nbsp; If it was really bad, it "sucked = swampwater HARD."&nbsp; And if she was asked to participate in the event, she would likely tell you that she "would rather eat grub worms raw."&nbsp; But that was only if she was "telling you how the cow ate the cabbage." <p>Living metaphorically in Texas, <br>Margo</html>   --------------94F553431CADA00A3EDA7DFA--    
(back) Subject: Re: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 09:30:29 -0500   At 07:38 AM 1/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:32 AM 07/01/2003 -0400, Daniel wrote: >> Does anyone know of what I would need to do? >>I need a good insurance company > > What you really need first and foremost is a good insurance > BROKER. These people understand the ins and outs and are able to play > several insurance companies off of each other in order to look after > you. Organs are organs, and they exist in thousands of houses every > day....your company is just siezing the opportunity to be slimy. It = happens. > > The 9 instruments at my place in Ontario range from an 1859 > Steinway (how many of those do you see in houses these days?) through a > 1990 Allen 3m. Our broker didn't bat an eyelash at the value on their > heads, and the company they set us up with is happy. > > Grab the yellow pages for the city (50,000 people or more) > nearest you (see www.yellowpages.ca if you don't have a city book), and > start talking to the largest brokerage firms who work with several > insurance companies. Explain that you have a small residence pipe organ =   > worth <insert rough value here>, and that <name of your company> is > refusing coverage, which means you need a new company. They'll know how =   > to help you. > > Have fun! > Ad ;->   Hi list,   Being in the organ business, there are several reasons for there being difficulties with insurance regarding organs, be they pipe or electronic, and I will elaborate.   In Canada, a lot of churches have collective insurance outfits, in other words the Catholic Church has it's own insurance company, that may also insure other churches as well. Quite a few churches do not have organs anymore. In the grand scheme of things, not many individuals have pipe organs or large electronic organs in their homes, so the insurance = business as a whole does not have a great deal of experience with organs. It is = one thing to say you have an organ that is worth $10,000 and quite another = that you have one worth $100,000. If I was an adjuster and didn't know = anything about organs, I would be a bit leery of believing what the owner says. A couple of other points,   1) when an organ is damaged, that generally means something different from =   being destroyed. Sometimes, when a fire damages an organ, the owner has ideas not of fixing the organ, but of upgrading, at Insurance's expense. This has happened on more than one occasion in S. Ontario, where =   I am from.   2) when an electronic organ goes down because of an electrical spike or lightning, sometimes the owners and the organ dealer, will find a way of saying the organ cannot be fixed, and must be replaced. I have heard of this happening even when the organ was under warranty still.   When these kinds of things occur, and organs are not cheap, especially = pipe organs, it is no wonder that insurance companies would rather not deal = with organs, especially if they don't have anyone on staff that knows anything about them or the industry.   Just my thought,   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: RE: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:08:14 -0500   Daniel: If you TALK to insurance companies you may hear all manner of lies and deceit. Have them WRITE on paper with a DATE and a SIGNATURE what they are SAYING and the story might change. If they are about to cancel a = policy they have with you they will not warn you by letting you know over the phone; they'll send you notice by registered mail.   Insurance companies are always trying to reduce their risk exposure. If I called my car insurance company and told them the road conditions were really bad today and then asked if I would still be covered in the event = of an accident, I wouldn't be the least surprised if they lied and SAID "no".   Get it on paper!!   Andrew Mead in Canada -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of danielwh1 Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:33 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders   I am trying to find out how to insure a Home Pipe Organ My Insurance company"Will NOT" under any circumstances even think of insuring my Instrument, they have not come to look at it, Al lthey say A "Pipe Organ" is not considered normal household content , therefor they will not = insure it under our home policy. We tryed to even insure it at a minimum amount of what it would cost to replace of an equivilent value from the Organ Clearing House. , Later in the day they replied to us via the phone, that they reviewed our Policy = and there guidelines, and still said No We have never ever put a claim into thsi insurance company.so I do not think we are a Risk I dont want to lose what I have, I just would like to feel like I have = some security in the event that I would ever lose it.   Does anyone know of what I would need to do? I need a good insurance company How do the churches insure there Pipe Organs in Canada, and also some of you may have build instruments for Private Residences, thank you Please reply Privatly thanks danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 31/12/2002     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Take a stand and make a difference! (crossposted)(long) From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:51:48 -0500   I should probably keep my mouth shut on this matter, but as a non member of ATOS, I have these thoughts.   ATOS does not exist without YOUR MONEY. Its the dues YOU pay that makes it run. They have an obligation TO THE MEMBERSHIP to do its bidding. From what I have read so far, no one is asking for any more than pressure from a national organization. I would think the director and officers would hop on this in an instant, considering that is their Prime Objective. If they don't, at the next annual meeting, organize yourselves and vote them out or fire them.   You can also protest as a chapter by withholding the portion of the dues that goes to ATOs until they do what they are supposed to do. Its been because of these food fights that I have never joined this organization and never will until the National get responsive to ALL its members.   Just my opinion.   Cheers, Mack Former Organist, Organbuilder, Hawaii Resident      
(back) Subject: Re: Please read , ALL canadian Pipe Organ Builders From: "Mark Koontz" <markkoontz@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:43:32 -0800 (PST)   Perhaps you should consider a different insurance provider. Of course, if = all Canadian insurers have the same response, perhaps you should consider a different country of residence ;-))   When I asked my (US) agent about my practice instrument, he indicated that = it was covered as any other piece of furniture. However, it would apparently = be handled differently if it was being used to generate income, like teaching = or traveling to gigs with it.   Good luck! Mark Koontz  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Christmas II From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0500   At 04:19 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi List, > >Our organist has recently discovered the music of Denis Bedard and we = were >treated to "Variations on In Dulci Jubilo" as a prelude and "Toccata on >See the infant so Divine" as a postlude. What wonderful music M. Bedard >composes. I feel that it must appeal to both initiated and uninitiated >listeners since it is so musical. >The performance of the postlude received generous applause from the many =   >that stayed to listen. > >HD   Hugh,   I don't know if you were at the RCCO convention in Quebec city in 2000, = but there they did some Denis Bedard works in concert, if I am not mistaken it =   was organ and small orchestra. After the concert, the sheet music vendors =   were beseiged by folk wanted music by him. The suppliers were stocked fairly well, but even so quickly sold out. His music must have struck a chord with the listeners, which cannot always be said for a lot of organ music. Maybe, he is an updated J. S. Bach.   Denis Bedard at the time was organist at St. Roch R. C. in Quebec City, = but has subsequently moved to Vancouver or Victoria B.C.   Regards,   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:20:44 -0800   >Arie V. wrote: > >> When talking to a Dutchman about organs, it is useful to remember the >> following maxim about the Dutch. > >> They, "wooden shoe, wooden head, wooden listen". > >> Their mind is made up. > >Then John Vanderlee replied: > >> Maybe won't listen, 'cause we know we're right??? LOL (this could >> go on forever) > >I grew up in West Michigan, a real bastion of the Dutch, and they have a >saying up there: "If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much! Kind of goes >hand-in-glove with the arrogance John V. implies. >Faithfully,   Richard, I hope that you did not think I was serious with that last remark? Yes, we have a reputation for being opinionated, but then there are some subtle differences if opinion is based on fact. Me, I personally feel that that little bit of knowledge I do have, can be attributed to the wisdom of others and learning early on that listening is much better than talking. Have no idea what category that puts me in. And oh yes I love pipe organs of all kinds - to stay on topic.   John V  
(back) Subject: D. B=E9dard (was Music Christmas II) From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:11:11 -0600     I'm not sure whether B=E9dard has been discussed on this particular lis= t, but I heartily join in with the others who sing his praises. I own just abo= ut everything he's published for organ solo and will keep going back for m= ore. He publishes his own music. Here's his website:     http://www.cheldar.com   Robert Lind     >Our organist has recently discovered the music of Denis Bedard and we = were   >treated to "Variations on In Dulci Jubilo" as a prelude and "Toccata = on >See the infant so Divine" as a postlude. What wonderful music M. Bedar= d >composes. I feel that it must appeal to both initiated and uninitiate= d >listeners since it is so musical. >The performance of the postlude received generous applause from the m= any >that stayed to listen. > >HD   Hugh,   I don't know if you were at the RCCO convention in Quebec city in 2000,= but   there they did some Denis Bedard works in concert, if I am not mistaken= it was organ and small orchestra. After the concert, the sheet music vend= ors were beseiged by folk wanted music by him. The suppliers were stocked fairly well, but even so quickly sold out. His music must have struck = a chord with the listeners, which cannot always be said for a lot of orga= n music. Maybe, he is an updated J. S. Bach.   Denis Bedard at the time was organist at St. Roch R. C. in Quebec City,= but   has subsequently moved to Vancouver or Victoria B.C.   Regards,   Arie V.   =      
(back) Subject: Re: D. B=E9dard (was Music Christmas II) From: "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:59:20 -0000   A couple of years ago a friend and I played Bedard's organ duet - the 4-mo= vement "Sinfonietta" at a recital in Dundee, Scotland. We were both organists in = Edinburgh at the time and practised alternately at the churches where each of us were o= rganist. We ended up having to do the quieter movements at one and the louder at the o= ther because the piece needs an organ with a very strong pair of lungs! Recomme= nded though, and not too difficult by any means.   Regards Andrew Caskie     On 7 Jan 2003 at 13:11, lindr@cch.com wrote:     I'm not sure whether B=E9dard has been discussed on this particular list, but I heartily join in with the others who sing his praises. I own just about everything he's published for organ solo and will keep going back for more. He publishes his own music. Here's his website:     http://www.cheldar.com   Robert Lind     >Our organist has recently discovered the music of Denis Bedard and we >were   >treated to "Variations on In Dulci Jubilo" as a prelude and "Toccata >on See the infant so Divine" as a postlude. What wonderful music M. >Bedard composes. I feel that it must appeal to both initiated and >uninitiated listeners since it is so musical. The performance of the >postlude received generous applause from the many that stayed to >listen. > >HD   Hugh,   I don't know if you were at the RCCO convention in Quebec city in 2000, but   there they did some Denis Bedard works in concert, if I am not mistaken it was organ and small orchestra. After the concert, the sheet music vendors were beseiged by folk wanted music by him. The suppliers were stocked fairly well, but even so quickly sold out. His music must have struck a chord with the listeners, which cannot always be said for a lot of organ music. Maybe, he is an updated J. S. Bach.   Denis Bedard at the time was organist at St. Roch R. C. in Quebec City, but   has subsequently moved to Vancouver or Victoria B.C.   Regards,   Arie V.         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Pipe Cleaner From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:56:55 -0600   I have found a supplier who will send out small quantities (gallons) of the product called Versene 100, Hampene, or Disolvene. This is the product supplied by Peterson now only on a pick up at their warehouse basis. This company is a soap manufacturer in Fort Worth. The company name is; Montgomery Manufacturing. Ask for Duane at 1-800 234-0088, fax 1-800 456-0994 or email duane@montgomerymfg.com I am currently using this at about 1 cup per 25 gallons of water. It is certainly the best I have used. Hope this information helps. Roy Redman    
(back) Subject: Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:41:59 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I didn't really intend to spark an international incident!   I admire the Dutch....hard working, tolerant, well educated,well mannered (generally), civilised and organ friendly......that's good enough for me!   Now, the French!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:47:57 EST     --part1_2f.32df4508.2b4cc12d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Colin:   It seems your Irish hormones are raging. First the Dutch, and now the French. Go easy pal and be nice. :) LOL   Ron   --part1_2f.32df4508.2b4cc12d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hi Colin:<BR> <BR> It seems your Irish hormones are raging. First the Dutch,<BR> and now the French. Go easy pal and be nice. :) LOL<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2f.32df4508.2b4cc12d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible From: "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:06:46 -0500   Of course, you know, when Dutch royalty visits British royalty, they = always kiss-kiss/hug-hug. All the British cameras are turned off. The Dutch = film it all full scale. I've seen (way back) Juliana kissing Elizabeth on the cheek. Certain = things one does not record for posterity if one is of British reserve. I lived in Amsterdam from '70 through '77 and came to know the Dutch quite well. Of course, being an Anglophile, I loved it all. Robert Clooney      
(back) Subject: Re: It's the ATTITUDE that's indefensible From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:01:10 +0000 (GMT)   Hello Robert,   Business first....one correction and a few leads re: Bradford System.   Makin Organs no longer use the Bradford System apparently.   Secondly, you might like to search the web using Bradford Computing Organ as a name.....interesting.   Now, about the Dutch!   My favourite story concerns the Queen of the Netherlands during the second World War, when she sent a telegram to Winston Churchill which read:-   "Mr Churchill....Germans invading...should we flood the dykes?"   Churchill replied, "Madam. Hold your waters until Jerry arrives. (Signed) WC"   ("jerry" being, of course, a chamber pot or a German!)   Delightful, especially in the middle of a war.   Regards,   Colin --- r <basset3@hvc.rr.com> wrote: > Of course, you know, when Dutch royalty visits     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Introduction From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:43:30 +0100   Hello all,   first of all, thanks for accepting me in your list, I guess at first I sh= ould=20 introduce myself . My name is Thomas Mohr and I am living in Guntramsdorf= ,=20 which is a small village in the vineyards south of Vienna, Austria, Europ= e. I=20 am 38 years old, married with 2 kids. I studied Food and Biotechnology an= d am=20 now working as a scientist in Cancer Research.   The reason why I joined is one of my hobbies, which is playing organ. I o= wn a=20 Johannus Wesley Allegro 27 and a (small) 3 stop pipeorgan positive. Aside= that=20 I play regularly during mass in our home parish, which is the Roman Catho= lic=20 Parish of St. Jacob, Guntramsdorf.   The organ positive is a small instrument encompassing 3 octaves (F-e'') a= nd=20 has an 8' stopped flute, an 4' flute and a 2' flute. The church organ is = a=20 two manual Walcker Instrument built in the 50ties. It has a mechanical=20 tracture for the keyboard and an electric tracture for the stops. The=20 disposition consist of a total of 17 stops:   Pedal: 16' Subbass, 8' Prinzipal, 8' Gedackt, 4' Choralbass Great: 8' Prinzipal, 8' Rohrfloete, 4' Oktave, 4' Blockfloete, 2' Spitzfl= oete,=20 Mixtur 4fold, 8' Trumpet Swell: 8' Copel, 4' Floete, 2' Prinzipal, Quint 22/3', Scharff 3fold and=20 Schalmey 8'. The intonation is a bit sharp and the reeds don't hold the=20 tuning very long, but that gives the opportunity to learn a lot about tun= ing.=20   I learned organ for approx. 8 years from age 12 onward (not on university= =20 level), made a break for over a decade and resumed approx. 3 years ago. A= side=20 trying to get back my playing skills (with Bach, Buxtehude and Pachelbel)= I=20 developed an interest in Spanish Organ music from the 16th, 17th and 18th= =20 century. Since I don't have much experience with Spanish Organ-music, I'm= =20 currently researching aspects of Organ playing "the Spanish way" which me= ans=20 how to play glosas, interpret tientos, the tempo etc.   Well, I'm looking forward to a mutal exchange of ideas !!   Thomas     --=20 DI Thomas Mohr Institute of Cancer Research - Vienna University Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna Austria Tel ++43 (1) 4277 65160 Fax ++43 (1) 4277 65196      
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:01:51 -0500   On 1/7/03 1:43 PM, "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> wrote:   > Hello all, >=20 > first of all, thanks for accepting me in your list,   Thomas, can you not notice/perceive/realize that we are BUSY with out own silly little concerns/interests/arguments, and that the last thing we need is some little nobody writing in from Austria?   =8B=8B=8B=8B=8B   Seriously, of course, we're DELIGHTED to hear from you. I have visited you= r beautiful country, and look forward to talking to you a LOT about it.   > I guess at first I should introduce myself . My name is Thomas Mohr   I'm sure you know how significant the name "Mohr" is to us. Especially at this season. Are you related?   Now, Thomas, it is very late. I MUST go to bed. I DO look forward to talking to you tomorrow and in the next few days--weeks, and months.   On the side: Thank you for knowing English. WE do NOT know other languages, for which we owe big apologies.   My warmest greetings and welcome to you!   Alan Freed, Saint Luke's [Lutheran] Church, New York City