PipeChat Digest #3372 - Sunday, January 12, 2003
 
Re: Austria
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
cum miaow miaow hic
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Sand Lawn
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Life hereafter
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Hymnal
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
RE: Naff Hymnals!!
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Hymnal
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Hymnal
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Naff Hymnals!!
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Life hereafter
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Guilmant in 1894 and in America
  by "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Life hereafter
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Austria
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Life hereafter
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Life hereafter
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re:  Funerals
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: Hymnal
  by <EchoGamba@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Austria From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:30:32 -0500   Dear Alan, I heard the big organ when it was disfunctional and before it was declared as such. There was an article in the Wiener Tagblatt about it = right after I heard it.It think it mentioned that that organ had been installed immediately after the roof was reinstalled on the church and that not = enough time nor money had been available when it was installed. As you remember, the entire top of the church was missing after the war. Evidently the Russian artillery used it as target practice when they pushed into Vienna during WWII. Der Pummer, the largest bell in the church tower wa laying on the street. In addition, when the new roof was installed, the Hapsburg coat of = arms which was formed from roofing tiles on the old roof was unfortunately not reinstalled. At that time, the socialists were in power and any complaint = by the monarchists or the consservatives would have been put down as being fascist. Kind of sounds familiar huh. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Austria     > On 1/11/03 10:07 AM, "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> wrote: > > > I was not as impressed with the one in the Stephendom. > > Paul: > > Which one, and when? I think it was Pentecost 1993 when I was there; = the > fellow at the reception desk said that the big organ in the west gallery was > no longer functional. But there was a fine free-standing tracker, = perhaps > 40-50 ranks or so, on the nave floor, against the south wall, close to = the > sanctuary. I thought it sounded fine. > > Current state of affairs unknown to me. > > Alan > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: cum miaow miaow hic From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:43:12 +0000   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P></DIV>When King Philip II of Spain came to Brussels in 1549 = to visit his father, emperor Charles the Fifth, amongst the celebrations = was an unusual procession. An enormous bull marched at the head, its horns = encircled with flames amongst which sat a little devil. In front of the = bull lay a young boy wrapped in a bear skin and mounted on a horse which = had had its ears and tail cut off. Then came the Archangel Michael, = dressed in shining robes and holding a pair of scales in his hand. <DIV></DIV>The most interesting object was a carriage which contained the = most unusual music imaginable. There was a bear playing the organ: in the = place of pipes there were twenty boxes in each of which there was a cat. = The cat=92s tails hung out of the boxes and were attached to a keyboard by = means of a string in such a way that depressing the key brought forth a = miserable wail from the cat. The historian Juan Christoval Calvete adds = that the cats had been arranged so as to produce the notes of the scale. = (chromatic, I am led to believe.) This dreadful orchestra was followed by = a theatrical presentation of monkeys, wolves and other animals which = danced to the music. You can read about this procession (in French) in a = book of compositions by Pere Menestrier (1681), and in the = =93Denkwurdigkeiten=94 of Samuel Baur. (1830, book IX). <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Translated from the French : Orgue de Barbarie <DIV></DIV>Please let me know if this is not in plain text. <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>www.johnfoss.gr <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. = <a href=3D"http://g.msn.com/8HMFEN/2022">Get 2 months FREE*.</a> </html>  
(back) Subject: Sand Lawn From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:49:47 -0800   Sand had a heart attack early this morning. He is in stable condition in the CICU. Please send word to the people on the list. I can be reached at 318 512-9147 and 318 342-6823. Thanks Bud. Charles    
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:03:41 EST     --part1_104.24702c4a.2b51eebd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   My prayers and thoughts go out to him. I hope for a fast recovery. What is the name of the hospital, and where is it? Thanks Josh White   --part1_104.24702c4a.2b51eebd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>My prayers and thoughts = go out to him. &nbsp;I hope for a fast recovery. <BR>What is the name of the hospital, and where is it? <BR>Thanks <BR>Josh White</FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.24702c4a.2b51eebd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:39:55 -0600   >My prayers and thoughts go out to him. I hope for a fast recovery. >What is the name of the hospital, and where is it? >Thanks >Josh White   Josh   Sand is in a hospital in Monroe, LA where he lives. Since he is in CICU he is unavailable to get anything like a phone call. I have talked to a couple of people down in Monroe and Sand is in stable condition but they will not know the extent of the attack until sometime tomorrow.   D.H. Clark, who is the Director of Music at the church where Sand plays, is also an M.D. and has been in to see Sand today. D.H. is supposed to call me this evening when he gets home to update me on what is what. if there is any new news i will send a note to update the list.   David  
(back) Subject: Life hereafter From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:55:15 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I have no fear of death, and absolutely no fear of going to the wrong place. I shall make quite certain that I go to "the other place" for the simple reason that "up there" will be full of people who detest me.......ie: clergymen who hate organ music and members of Praise Bands.   I also hate harps in profusion.   I have the strange feeling that, where I want to go will be full of organists; all bickering away as usual in a sort of glorious counterpoint. Let's face it, we are experts at raking the coals and flaming people.   Nice fireside Pipechats in our very own PIPORG-L......   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     Bud said, > > > it's my understanding of the teaching that NOBODY > is in heaven at this > > moment except Jesus, Mary, the Apostles, and the > other Martyrs and Saints, > > nor will they be, until the Last Day following the > General Judgment. >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Hymnal From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:53:21 -0600   I thought I had a rather extensive collection of hymnals, but not this = one. Publisher, year, denomination? BTW, what's a "Naff" Hymnal?   Dennis Steckley ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Naff Hymnals!! From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:05:58 EST     This frustration has led me to dust down my faithful copy of Hymns Ancient & Modern Revised. Happy memories!!      
(back) Subject: RE: Naff Hymnals!! From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:29:59 -0000   Is this the beautiful pink book?! I had that at the school where I teach but got rid of it and replaced it with the BBC Songs of Praise Hymn Book (the new 90s edition, not the old one with the deer on the front!) The were some hideous hymns in that Celebration Hymnal that really were naff! I think it was really a Catholic hymnal, so how it made its way into a state school I don't really no! not much of much use out of the thousands of obscure hymns that were contained within its covers! Sorry to anyone who loves it!   My personal favourite hymnal is the New English Hymnal, and this is what I have in the church where I am organist and Choirmaster. My love for this book probably stems from having sung from it since 1987 when it was first published and I was only 10 years old then! Some of the harmonies are different from AMR (and AMNS) and I have to say I prefer NEH ones... slightly more interesting on the whole I find - for example, Forty days and forty nights. Having said that, the most recent edition of the Ancient and Modern series, Common Praise, seems to have adopted many of the NEH harmonies! I found that quite telling!   We want to add more contemporary hymnody (of quality!) to our repertoire but can't find a decent book to use alongside NEH, so we're looking at producing our own... perhaps there is a market for something like this out there!   Steve, Organist and Choirmaster St Stephen's Canterbury, UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of EchoGamba@aol.com Sent: 11 January 2003 11:06 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Naff Hymnals!!   Dear all,   We have for the past two or three years been using 'Celebration Hymnal for Everyone' as our regular hymn book at church.=A0 If there are any = fans of this hymnal, then please forgive me, but I find this book hugely frustrating!!=A0 I simply cannot understand why hymn 64 should be next = to 788 (this is just an example, without having the book in front of me I cannot give exact numbers) and why certain harmonisation's are said to be by, for example, Bach, but differ completely from any other hymnal, old or new.=A0 This is not to mention some of the abysmal modern hymns that appear.=A0 How some of these modern hymn writers get published I = will never know!!=A0 This frustration has led me to dust down my faithful = copy of Hymns Ancient & Modern Revised.=A0 Happy memories!!   Hymn 418:=A0 Jesu, gentlest Saviour.=A0 What a beautiful tune.=A0 'Eucharisticus'.=A0 The diminished 7th chord in the 6th bar is particularly effective if the tenor line is brought out on the swell using a gentle reed such as an oboe or clarinet.=A0 Spine tingling!!   Hymn 184:=A0 Dear Lord and Father;=A0 'Repton'.=A0 A beautiful = arrangement of this famous and well used hymn.=A0 Another spine tingler.   Hymn 271:=A0 God is working his purpose out.=A0 'Benson'.=A0 Another beautifully harmonised tune that has me in goose pimples.   These are to name but a few.=A0 I would bore you to tears if I were to list all the lovely's!!=A0 How I wish we could revert back to using this great hymn book on a regular basis.   Just a thought as I sip my morning tea.   Paul.=20 EchoGamba@AOL.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymnal From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:41:50 -0600       "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" wrote:   > I thought I had a rather extensive collection of hymnals, but not this = one. > Publisher, year, denomination? BTW, what's a "Naff" Hymnal?   I take "Naff" to be a vaguely, and slightly derogatory term, something = like you and I would consider "fluff"   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:24:15 +1300   Please give my best wishes and prayers to Sand. We used to correspond = about 35 years ago. Ross   >Sand had a heart attack early this morning.    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymnal From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:31:08 +1300       >I thought I had a rather extensive collection of hymnals, but not this = one. >Publisher, year, denomination? BTW, what's a "Naff" Hymnal? > >Dennis Steckley   Ancient & Modern has been published, with various revisions, since 1868. = It has been more-or-less standard book in England the Commonwealth for a very long time now. There is a newish edition beyond A&M Revised. See my son-in-law's website as mentioned on this List a few hours ago.   His Blauewilg (or whatever it is) isDutch for " blue willow" as my Frank has a very extensive collection of willow pattern china. Frank and Alice = (my daughter) are also the parents of my first grandchild, Antonia Mary, and I'll be baptising her this coming Sunday, 19th January, in Wellington.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Naff Hymnals!! From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:38:01 +1300   >My personal favourite hymnal is the New English Hymnal, and this is what = I have in the church where I am organist and Choirmaster. My love for this book probably stems from having sung from it since 1987 when it was first published   The English Hymnal, rightly in its time loved by Anglo-Catholics, of = course dates right back to about 1906 (haven't got my copy in front of me). Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Life hereafter From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:02:06 -0600   Colin Mitchell wrote: > Hello, > I have no fear of death, and absolutely no fear of > going to the wrong place.   <snip>   > I have the strange feeling that, where I want to go > will be full of organists; all bickering away as usual > in a sort of glorious counterpoint. Let's face it, we > are experts at raking the coals and flaming people. > Nice fireside Pipechats in our very own PIPORG-L......   The Description the Bible paints for us talks more about "weeping and gnashing of teeth", than "fireside Pipechats", so despite the "wrong folks", I STILL don't think I'd care to wind up in the Lake of Fire. And since we're told that all things will be perfect, either we won't detest CCM perpetrators, or there won't be any -depending on how GOD happens to feel about it all!   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Guilmant in 1894 and in America From: "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:44:39 -0500   A question that perhaps Aggie Armstong can comment upon some day; but let me ask others as well:   1. Can anyone come up with info on what Guilmant was doing in 1894, the year he wrote sonata V in C minor?   2. Can anyone tell me where in New York and in eastern Pennsylvania Guilmant might have played at any point in hsi life? I'm playing Sonata V in c in NYC and in Reading PA this spring and in Lancaster this summer = (part or all of it, yet to be determined), and I might wish to share such info, = if I can learn it from someone. I have no particular sources for his life = down to this degree of detail. Sonata V in c, by the way, is an utterly marvelous and classically-concieved/clasically executed work!! I think it's his best, better than sonata I in d.   Thanks to anyone who can help with either of these questions.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Life hereafter From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:10:28 -0500   > I have no fear of death, and absolutely no fear of > going to the wrong place. I shall make quite certain > that I go to "the other place" for the simple reason > that "up there" will be full of people who detest > me.......ie: clergymen who hate organ music and > members of Praise Bands. > > I also hate harps in profusion.   The American writer Mark Twain (Samuel Clemmens) expressed the exact same sentiment some 120 years ago. <G!>   > I have the strange feeling that, where I want to go > will be full of organists; all bickering away as usual > in a sort of glorious counterpoint. Let's face it, we > are experts at raking the coals and flaming people.   ROTF LMAO!!   > Nice fireside Pipechats in our very own PIPORG-L......   I agree. :)   Now as for theology, I expect there will be a place in Heaven for us, = probably under the episcopal eye of St Brigid ;), with a grand, sonorous Organ with = all of our favorite stops for us to play as we please. Even better, we will = play the way we a) think we play <grin> or b) the way we always wanted to play. = And NO ONE will complain that it's too loud!   Cheers, TommyLee Whitlock Reston, VA (no relation to Percy. Damn!)    
(back) Subject: Re: Austria From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:23:04 -0500   There is a nice Rieger in the Stadtpfarrkirche on Herrengasse (the main = street)near Hauptplatz in Graz. I used to have permission to practice on = it when I lived there.   I loved living there in a lot of ways. The Austrians really know how to = enjoy life and make things beautiful.   If you look on a map, you will see that Prague is west of Vienna (and = north of course); Austria is practically in eastern Europe. The Austrian = mentality is almost more akin to eastern European than Germanic. They = speak German of course, but quite a different language from German German = (when speaking dialect as opposed to Hochdeutsch)!   Another interesting piece of trivia about Austria is that it could have = been self-sufficient in oil from the oil fields near Schwechat, but they = had to sign agreements after the occupation requiring them to sell a lot = of it to the Russians cheap.   Merry      
(back) Subject: Re: Life hereafter From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:03:01 +1300   Wot? No St Cecilia?????????? How awful........   Ross -----Original Message----- From: TommyLee Whitlock <tommylee@whitlock.org> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Life hereafter     >> I have no fear of death, and absolutely no fear of >> going to the wrong place. I shall make quite certain >> that I go to "the other place" for the simple reason >> that "up there" will be full of people who detest >> me.......ie: clergymen who hate organ music and >> members of Praise Bands. >> >> I also hate harps in profusion. > >The American writer Mark Twain (Samuel Clemmens) expressed the exact same >sentiment some 120 years ago. <G!> > >> I have the strange feeling that, where I want to go >> will be full of organists; all bickering away as usual >> in a sort of glorious counterpoint. Let's face it, we >> are experts at raking the coals and flaming people. > >ROTF LMAO!! > >> Nice fireside Pipechats in our very own PIPORG-L...... > >I agree. :) > >Now as for theology, I expect there will be a place in Heaven for us, probably >under the episcopal eye of St Brigid ;), with a grand, sonorous Organ = with all >of our favorite stops for us to play as we please. Even better, we will play >the way we a) think we play <grin> or b) the way we always wanted to = play. >And NO ONE will complain that it's too loud! > >Cheers, >TommyLee Whitlock >Reston, VA >(no relation to Percy. Damn!) > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Life hereafter From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:58:28 -0500   > Wot? No St Cecilia?????????? How awful........   St Cecilia can drop in, too. But Brigid's bringing the beer! :)   tlw    
(back) Subject: Re: Funerals From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:09:31 -0800 (PST)   Justin Karch wrote:   > BUT I'm putting this request that for my funeral the entire Brahms Requiem > be performed. That's all I would even need.   When I was a young silly thing of 22 (as opposed to being the silly old thing I am now), fairly newly arrived in New York, I invited a few friends to my apartment in Brooklyn Heights for dinner. I managed to get myself so completely inebriated on bourbon that I proceeded (according to stories I heard about later) to sing the entire Brahms Requiem as an unaccompanied solo with score in hand. My guests finished cooking their dinner and serving it. I don't remember much about it. Nevertheless, I would be available for your funeral at reasonable rates for a repeat performance. $25 and a bottle of Knob Creek should do nicely, and I wouldn't need an accompanist. Ah, the old days.   Ken               =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:34:17 -0500     --------------020806080003060302050404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   My thoughts and prayers are with him too. Can someone post the hospital address?   Mack   Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote:   > My prayers and thoughts go out to him. I hope for a fast recovery. > What is the name of the hospital, and where is it? > Thanks > Josh White       --------------020806080003060302050404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> My thoughts and prayers are with him too. &nbsp;Can someone post the = hospital address?<br> <br> Mack<br> <br> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:Pologaptommy@aol.com">Pologaptommy@aol.com</a> wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid104.24702c4a.2b51eebd@aol.com"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D"2">My prayers and thoughts go out = to him. &nbsp;I hope for a fast recovery. <br> What is the name of the hospital, and where is it? <br> Thanks <br> Josh White</font></font></blockquote> <br> </body> </html>   --------------020806080003060302050404--    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymnal From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 04:11:12 EST     --part1_149.77cd2c4.2b528b30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello,   To answer your questions................   The 'Celebration Hymnal for Everyone', of which I write, is published by McCrimmon. It is a hymnal containing in the region of a thousand hymns, = many of which are modern and not up to much. It has a blue cover with silver wording. I am in England, so you folks in America may not have found this = on your bookshop shelves. You should feel yourselves lucky!! Stick to A+M = or NEH.   And to answer another question........   Naff. This is a term used (possibly only in this green and pleasant land) = to describe something that is not very good. e.g. "That organist was naff" = or "What a naff sounding diapason"   Notice how I keep these examples on topic Mr Administrator.   Paul. EchoGamba@AOL.com   --part1_149.77cd2c4.2b528b30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Hello,<BR> <BR> To answer your questions................<BR> <BR> The 'Celebration Hymnal for Everyone', of which I write, is published by = McCrimmon.&nbsp; It is a hymnal containing in the region of a thousand = hymns, many of which are modern and not up to much.&nbsp; It has a blue = cover with silver wording.&nbsp; I am in England, so you folks in America = may not have found this on your bookshop shelves.&nbsp; You should feel = yourselves lucky!!&nbsp; Stick to A+M or NEH.<BR> <BR> And to answer another question........<BR> <BR> Naff.&nbsp; This is a term used (possibly only in this green and pleasant = land) to describe something that is not very good.&nbsp; e.g.&nbsp; "That = organist was naff" or "What a naff sounding diapason"<BR> <BR> Notice how I keep these examples on topic Mr Administrator.<BR> <BR> Paul.<BR> EchoGamba@AOL.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_149.77cd2c4.2b528b30_boundary--