PipeChat Digest #3373 - Monday, January 13, 2003
 
Re: OFF-TOPIC: theology (grin)
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
(no subject)
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Philosophy -OFF TOPIC
  by <EchoGamba@aol.com>
Re: Austria
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Sand Lawn
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Christmas disappeared...
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Sand Lawn--off topic
  by "Ronald Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com>
Re:
  by "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re:
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: cum miaow miaow hic
  by "AGO-OnLine" <agonline01@hotmail.com>
Sand Lawn (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: theology (grin) From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:11:14 -0000     -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 11 January 2003 16:26 Subject: OFF-TOPIC: theology (grin)     >Roman Catholic, Anglican, and Eastern Orthodox theology rests upon >what's called the "three-legged stool": Scripture, Tradition, and >Reason.   Seems somewhat strange that "Faith" isn't included on that list; still, = very few lists are totally inclusive (and here I name "PipeChat" - just to = remain 'On-Topic')   Musicman (Yes, STILL here - dancing on the head of a needle)   PS_ I was always taught that it was Martial Arts that sat on three-legged stools (Tuition, Kata, & Competition)      
(back) Subject: From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:16:55 +0100   Hi all,   I'm sorry for being so silent, but cancer research has kept me fairly bus= y=20 during the last days. We prepare for some terrific interesting experiment= s=20 (actually started them yesterday) and I'm very excited about the outcome.= =20 With a bit of luck we'll be able to publish the results very soon - and m= aybe=20 there will be a few trips to meetings (Preferable in Hawaii :-)   Anyway, as for the posts:   Innsbruck is in Austria it is the capital of Tyrol, to be exact. The Hofk= irche=20 contains a very interesting organ, built by Joer Ebert in 1558 (no typo = !).=20 The one in the Silver Chapel is almost as old (1580, Italian work).   http://www.culture.privateweb.at/innsbruck   Austria has "hills", the highest being the Gro=DFglockner with over 3000m= (that=20 would be 9000ft).   Concerning Austria and Esatern Europe ... well, the geography border of E= urope=20 is the black sea resp. the Ural, and the geographic center of Europe is=20 actually somewhere in the Ukraine.   As for bringing back the Habsburgs and reuniting the old empire... I thin= k the=20 EU is a far better idea and with the EU becoming a real country this woul= d be=20 obsolete.   Repertoir from Eastern and Central Europe... well, the Austrian composers= are=20 world renown, but aside some Czechian composers there is quite a bit to b= e=20 discovered. I have some works of Czechians, so if anybody is interested I= 'll=20 post the citation.   Concerning the person with the heart attack: The best wishes from Austria= !!!       St. Stephen's Cathedral: the large organ in St. Stephen's is unuseable. I= t was=20 - or is a 125 stop instrument. The new one is a 54 stops instrument with = 4 =20 keyboards and was designed and placed in order to give an optimal acousti= cs,=20 mainly for liturgical purposes. But the design and the position make it a= lso=20 a valuable instrument for concerts.     --=20 DI Thomas Mohr Institute of Cancer Research - Vienna University Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna Austria Tel ++43 (1) 4277 65160 Fax ++43 (1) 4277 65196  
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:27:16 -0500       quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Home address is: > >Sand Lawn >3601 Harrison >Monroe, LA 71203 > >Cheers, > >Bud > > > >mack02445 wrote: > The address of the Hospital Sand is in is:   Glenwood Regional Medical Center P.O. Box 35805 West Monroe, LA 71294 318-329-4200     > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:49:52 -0600   At 10:27 AM -0500 01/12/03, mack02445 wrote: > >Glenwood Regional Medical Center >P.O. Box 35805 >West Monroe, LA 71294 >318-329-4200   Mack   We don't know how long Sand will be in the hospital. I have been in touch with his family and also the Director of Music at his church, who is also an MD. Until the doctors figure out what is what they have no idea of how long he will be in the hospital. Right now he cannot accept phone calls since he is in Cardiac ICU.   David  
(back) Subject: Philosophy -OFF TOPIC From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:07:38 EST     --part1_1bc.1aff29f4.2b52ecca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear all,   In recent weeks I have been thinking long and hard about what happens to = us when we die. I have spoken to several clergymen and have been given = several versions.   As this list is made up of so many well thought out people, I wonder if anyone can reply to me PRIVATELY with there thoughts. I think I have = reached the time of my life where I am beginning to think about such things more = and more.   Forgive this un-organic question, but any response would be helpful.   Paul.   --part1_1bc.1aff29f4.2b52ecca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Dear all,<BR> <BR> In recent weeks I have been thinking long and hard about what happens to = us when we die. I have spoken to several clergymen and have been given = several versions.<BR> <BR> As this list is made up of so many well thought out people, I wonder if = anyone can reply to me PRIVATELY with there thoughts.&nbsp; I think I have = reached the time of my life where I am beginning to think about such = things more and more.<BR> <BR> Forgive this un-organic question, but any response would be helpful.<BR> <BR> Paul.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1bc.1aff29f4.2b52ecca_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Austria From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:46:53 -0500   Dear Merry, How fortunate to have not only lived in Austria but have been able to have an organ available in a historic church. Yes, it is a beautiful country, and has the history to go with it. I would have loved to have retired there if my wife has never had any real affinity for Europe. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> To: ""PipeChat"" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Austria     There is a nice Rieger in the Stadtpfarrkirche on Herrengasse (the main street)near Hauptplatz in Graz. I used to have permission to practice on = it when I lived there.   I loved living there in a lot of ways. The Austrians really know how to enjoy life and make things beautiful.   If you look on a map, you will see that Prague is west of Vienna (and = north of course); Austria is practically in eastern Europe. The Austrian mentality is almost more akin to eastern European than Germanic. They = speak German of course, but quite a different language from German German (when speaking dialect as opposed to Hochdeutsch)!   Another interesting piece of trivia about Austria is that it could have = been self-sufficient in oil from the oil fields near Schwechat, but they had to sign agreements after the occupation requiring them to sell a lot of it to the Russians cheap.   Merry       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:21:16 -0500   The best way to ensure that he gets the cards is to address them to him at = the hospital, using HIS address for the return address. If he is home = when the card arrives, it will follow him!   Victoria     In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:49:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, = david@blackiris.com writes:   > At 10:27 AM -0500 01/12/03, mack02445 wrote: > > > >Glenwood Regional Medical Center > >P.O. Box 35805 > >West Monroe, LA 71294 > >318-329-4200 > > Mack > > We don't know how long Sand will be in the hospital. I have been in > touch with his family and also the Director of Music at his church, > who is also an MD. Until the doctors figure out what is what they > have no idea of how long he will be in the hospital. Right > now he > cannot accept phone calls since he is in Cardiac ICU.  
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas disappeared... From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:26:06 -0500   In a message dated 1/11/2003 10:23:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, = tommylee@whitlock.org writes:   > You mean I didn't have to take down our tree yesterday? > ::ducking:: > > TommyLee   You could have removed the ornaments and hung little pink and red hearts = in their places, Tommy! :-) Victoria  
(back) Subject: Re: Sand Lawn--off topic From: "Ronald Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:56:43 +0000   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>Dear All,</P></DIV> <DIV>Just a few words about the experience of being hospitalized for = "heart attack"&nbsp; or myocardial infarction.&nbsp;&nbsp; The tie-in for = this list is that actuarily speaking, Church Organists in the USA are part = of the gradually aging portion of the population and are therefore subject = to such maladies!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Being admitted to the CICU for "heart attack" could mean that the = patient did indeed have a myocardial infarction or that there was merely = some suspicion (chest pain, or other symptoms. &nbsp;etc.).&nbsp; In the = majority of cases, an answer requires 48-72 hours of testing&nbsp; (serial = ECG's, cardiac enzymes and Chest X-rays) by which time the answer has = often already made itself known by the manner of the patient's clinical = course.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The initial confinement is for running tests, most importantly the = cardiac enzymes (esp. the CK) to see if the heart muscle has been = injured.&nbsp; There can be severe pain (angina) without infarction.&nbsp; = There can also be minimal (or no) pain and a small infarction.&nbsp; = Infarction is the obstruction of a coronary artery (within the wall of the = heart).&nbsp; If the infarcted artery is small, then the recovery, rehab, = etc will be unremarkable.&nbsp; If the infarcted artery is larger, the = consequent threat to health and strength will be greater.&nbsp;&nbsp; = </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>These days, the most important part of the initial diagnostic process = is the use (if possible) of clot-busting agents (Retavase, TPa, = Streptokinase, etc.)&nbsp; to break up an obstructing blood clot and = restore circulation to the vessel.&nbsp; In many cases, the entire course = of the Infarction can be stopped or even reversed if these agents are = employed right during the throes of the obstruction---within several hours = of onset.&nbsp; Subsequent measures might include balloon dilation = (angioplasty) of an obstructed artery, or even surgical splicing around an = obstructed artery (coronary bypass graft surgery).</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The latest thought about coronary artery disease (atherosclerotic = plaque) is that its formation is related to the general level of systemic = inflammation ocasioned by the ever-present background existence of = microbial life in the circulation---not the microbes themselves, but the = injury to human tissue caused by their metabolic toxins.&nbsp; We may yet = see the growing importance of antibiotics in the treatment of heart = disease as&nbsp;they &nbsp;have been extremely useful in the management of = gastrointestinal ulcers.&nbsp; A simple test called a "C-Reactive Protein" = is becoming of growing importance relative to exposing the baseline level = of generalized systemic inflammation and is very likely destined to become = part of the cardiac risk-evaluation for even "normal" persons.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Here's hoping Sand Lawn has obtained the benefits of modern = interventional emergency cardiology and is well on his way to = recovery!&nbsp; Our thoughts are with him and his family members!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Sincerely yours,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Ronald D. Gibson</DIV> <DIV>Oberlin, Ohio</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: David Scribner <DAVID@BLACKIRIS.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "PipeChat" <PIPECHAT@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "PipeChat" <PIPECHAT@PIPECHAT.ORG>, = quilisma@socal.rr.com, piporg-l <PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: Sand Lawn <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:49:52 -0600 <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;At 10:27 AM -0500 01/12/03, mack02445 wrote: <DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;Glenwood Regional Medical Center <DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;P.O. Box 35805 <DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;West Monroe, LA 71294 <DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;318-329-4200 <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Mack <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;We don't know how long Sand will be in the hospital. I have been in <DIV></DIV>&gt;touch with his family and also the Director of Music at his = church, <DIV></DIV>&gt;who is also an MD. Until the doctors figure out what is = what they <DIV></DIV>&gt;have no idea of how long he will be in the hospital. Right = now he <DIV></DIV>&gt;cannot accept phone calls since he is in Cardiac ICU. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;David <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" <DIV></DIV>&gt;PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; = related <DIV></DIV>&gt;topics <DIV></DIV>&gt;HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and = <a href=3D"http://g.msn.com/8HMZEN/2023">get 2 months FREE*</a> </html>  
(back) Subject: Re: From: "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:50:16 -0500   > Innsbruck is in Austria it is the capital of Tyrol, to be exact. The = Hofkirche > contains a very interesting organ, built by Joer Ebert in 1558 (no typo = !). > The one in the Silver Chapel is almost as old (1580, Italian work). > My wife and I joke about visiting Innsbruck, so we'd each have an = excuse to stand outside, when it's time to leave, and sing "Innsbruck, ich muss dich lassen."   :-)   Mit besten Gruessen,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:01:36 -0600   MARAUDER wrote:   > My wife and I joke about visiting Innsbruck, so we'd each have an = excuse > to stand outside, when it's time to leave, and sing "Innsbruck, ich muss > dich lassen."   For the benefit of any who do not know it, here is the text of the popular Renaissance song by Heinrich Isaac (c.1450-1517) to the tune "Innsbruck", which most of us know these days as the tune to the text "The duteous day now closeth":   Innsbruck, ich muss dich lassen, ich fahr dahin mein Stra=DFen, in fremde Land dahin. Mein Freud ist mir genommen, die ich nit wei=DF bekommen, wo ich im Elend, im Elend bin.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: cum miaow miaow hic From: "AGO-OnLine" <agonline01@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:04:40 -0500   Dear all:   There are several interesting questions raised by John Foss's post. First, is a look into the etymology of the term "Orgue de Barberie", otherwise known as a "Street Organ" in English. The derivation of this term may have come from the inventor of the instrument, and then took on other = synonymous associations:   http://mmd.foxtail.com/Archives/Digests/200105/2001.05.13.03.html , and http://mmd.foxtail.com/Archives/Digests/200105/2001.05.12.03.html   After reading the rather innocent possibilities for the origin of the = term, one could quickly say that the Cat Organ referred to in the 1549 = procession is indeed the true "Orgue de Barbarie".   The procession has its origins some two hundred years earlier, as a religious procession: http://www.ommegang-brussels.be/uk/historique_ommeg.html . It is still practiced to this day: http://www.visitbelgium.com/bepres02.htm . Many = other interesting details can be read on the http://www.ommegang-brussels.be/ site.   The Cat Organ has a rather long history, given its rather inhumane = treatment of the cats. Scroll to paragraph 10 (noted on the right-hand side of the text) of this site: http://www.bartleby.com/234/8.html , for further treatment of the 1549 procession, and the Cat Organ in general.   By miracle of the Internet, you can play a virtual Cat Organ from your PC: http://www.snowcrest.net/finleyfryer/catband/catband/organ2.html As a cat lover, I found the experience somewhat disturbing.   One of the clearest iconographic representations of the Cat Organ as a keyboard instrument is here: http://tommcfaul.com/admusic/pussy.html . The fact that this is related to the creator of the "Meow Mix" (a popular brand of cat food in the U.S.) jingle is incidental and/or unfortunate.   Variations of the Cat Organ even make an appearance in a poem by John = Keats, in the second offering on this page: http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/13/136.html .   On this page: http://www.cat-music.com/Default.htm , I was glad to find = out that "cat gut" formerly used as strings in tennis rackets and musical instruments does not come from cats. Catgut actually comes from sheep, = hogs, and horses.     Sincerely,   John Nisbet AGOnLine www.TheAmericanOrganist.com Select "AGOnLine"     John Foss wtote:   Subject: cum miaow miaow hic From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:43:12 +0000   When King Philip II of Spain came to Brussels in 1549 to visit his father, emperor Charles the Fifth, amongst the celebrations was an unusual procession. An enormous bull marched at the head, its horns encircled with flames amongst which sat a little devil. In front of the bull lay a young boy wrapped in a bear skin and mounted on a horse which had had its ears = and tail cut off. Then came the Archangel Michael, dressed in shining robes = and holding a pair of scales in his hand.   The most interesting object was a carriage which contained the most = unusual music imaginable. There was a bear playing the organ: in the place of = pipes there were twenty boxes in each of which there was a cat. The cat's tails hung out of the boxes and were attached to a keyboard by means of a string in such a way that depressing the key brought forth a miserable wail from the cat. The historian Juan Christoval Calvete adds that the cats had been arranged so as to produce the notes of the scale. (chromatic, I am led to believe.) This dreadful orchestra was followed by a theatrical = presentation of monkeys, wolves and other animals which danced to the music. You can = read about this procession (in French) in a book of compositions by Pere Menestrier (1681), and in the "Denkwurdigkeiten" of Samuel Baur. (1830, = book IX).   Translated from the French : Orgue de Barbarie   Please let me know if this is not in plain text.   www.johnfoss.gr        
(back) Subject: Sand Lawn (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:23:19 -0800   Sand is still in the CV-ICU. I just came from seeing him there. He looks well and sends hugs to everyone. He says he isn't jumping up and down, but he is doing okay. He's tired of all the wires that are hooked to him. LOL OH and he said he has already found mistakes in the new Diapason!   He has a heart catheterization scheduled for tomorrow (Monday), and expects to be home by Wed.   Again, feel free to call me at 318 512-9147 (my cell) or 318 324-6823 (my dorm)   Charles.