PipeChat Digest #3376 - Tuesday, January 14, 2003
 
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Never the twain shall meet
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Speaking of funerals . . .
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic??  but there's more!!!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Speaking of funerals...
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Never the twain shall meet
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic??  but there's more!!!
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:11:11 -0600   Doesn't anyone play hymns anymore? I was taught a hundred years ago when I first studied organ that funeral music was not to be fancy literature - you just play and improvise on quiet hymns that are familiar to those in attendance - and not "funeral" hymns - hymns of hope and assurance and resurrection - and, if possible, some requested by the family and/or favorites of the deceased.   And that's what I've been doing ever since - and that's what I hear at other funerals I attend. Maybe it is different in the south (southern US, that is) and in non-Catholic/Anglican/Lutheran traditions, where a memorial service is a simple service of remembering and celebrating a life and not a liturgical service...???   Preservice examples: His Eye is on the Sparrow Be Thou My Vision The Lord is My Shepherd My Jesus, I Love Thee How Firm a Foundation Great is Thy Faithfulness Fairest Lord Jesus Now the Green Blade Riseth Amazing Grace etc. etc. etc.   Exit examples: Holy, Holy, Holy O, For a Thousand Tongues A Mighty Fortress For All the Saints   Margo Organist, FUMC Lewisville, TX    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:48:43 -0800   Hmmm .... I'm a LITTLE confused ... are you saying that Anglican and Lutheran funerals AREN'T liturgical?   I'm organist/choirmaster in an Anglican church, and our funeral rites consist of:   (1) THE BURIAL OFFICE   Opening Sentences (chanted) - I am the Resurrection and the life, etc. Chanting of one to five Psalms The big long reading from 1 Corinthians 15:20FF Anthem - I heard a voice from heaven Collect - Remember thy servant ... First Blessing - Unto God's gracious mercy ...   (2) THE REQUIEM MASS (listing only the musical parts)   Introit - Requiem aeternam Kyrie - Requiem Mass Gradual Psalm - usually Psalm 46 - Deus noster refugium Offertory - Justorum animae or Domine Jesu Christe Sanctus - Requiem Mass Amen - Requiem Mass (1st Kyrie melody, after Canon Douglas) Agnus - Requiem Mass Communion - Lux aeterna, with Psalm 23 (Motet, if there are lots of people to receive communion) - usually Mozart's Ave verum   (3) ABSOLUTIONS OF THE DEAD   Collect - Enter not into judgment Responsory - I am the Resurrection and the life (different text from the Opening Sentences) Kyries - chanted Lord's Prayer - chanted Versicles and Responses - chanted Antiphon - In paradisum Contakion of the Departed (from the Russian liturgy)   (4) COMMITTAL (sometimes sung in the church, sometimes sung at the cemetery)   Sentences - Man that is born of a woman - sung Sentences - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me - sung Anthem - I heard a voice from heaven (repeated) Kyries - repeated Lord's Prayer - repeated Collects Last Blessing - the God of peace, etc.   To that we usually add a post-communion hymn at the Mass (Jesus, Son of Mary), and occasionally a closing hymn before the Contakion, if the Committal is to be sung at the grave ... depends on how many choir members can go to the cemetery, and if it's the one next door to the church.   All our funerals are normally chanted/sung by the full parish choir (4-3-3-3), often augmented with a quartet of paid section leaders. In six years, I've never NOT had four parts present in the choir at a funeral.   MOST of the organ literature I listed, I play beforehand ... anywhere from 15 minutes to a half-hour, depending on when people start arriving, and if I have to have the choir rehearsal immediately before the Mass, which sometimes happens when we have to do a funeral on short notice.   Cheers,   Bud       Margo Dillard wrote: > > Doesn't anyone play hymns anymore? I was taught a hundred years ago > when I first studied organ that funeral music was not to be fancy > literature - you just play and improvise on quiet hymns that are > familiar to those in attendance - and not "funeral" hymns - hymns of > hope and assurance and resurrection - and, if possible, some requested > by the family and/or favorites of the deceased. > > And that's what I've been doing ever since - and that's what I hear at > other funerals I attend. Maybe it is different in the south (southern > US, that is) and in non-Catholic/Anglican/Lutheran traditions, where a > memorial service is a simple service of remembering and celebrating a > life and not a liturgical service...??? > > Preservice examples: > His Eye is on the Sparrow > Be Thou My Vision > The Lord is My Shepherd > My Jesus, I Love Thee > How Firm a Foundation > Great is Thy Faithfulness > Fairest Lord Jesus > Now the Green Blade Riseth > Amazing Grace > etc. etc. etc. > > Exit examples: > Holy, Holy, Holy > O, For a Thousand Tongues > A Mighty Fortress > For All the Saints > > Margo > Organist, FUMC > Lewisville, TX > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Never the twain shall meet From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:05:00 -0500   On 1/13/03 9:31 PM, "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   > Was that his house in Hartford, Connecticut (where he lived in later = life), > or the one here in Missouri, at Hannibal (where he grew up)?   I understand he lived also at "Wave Hill," a gorgeous mansion in the Riverdale section of The Bronx, about a mile from my own home. Wave Hill was home in the 1940s(?) to Arturo Toscanini. Now open to the public. = The finest residential neighborhood in New York City--definitely exceeding = Park and Fifth Avenues. Just a plug for Bronx tourism. Give me a call when = you come to town.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:16:58 -0600   No - just the opposite - I'm saying Anglican/Lutheran/Catholic funerals = ARE liturgical. I'm saying Methodist/Presbyterian/Baptist, etc. funerals are less structured and liturgical (if not totally unstructured and = unliturgical in some cases). I'm just wondering if that is part of the reason for the difference in traditions in using "real" organ literature as we would for = a "regular church service", and just using quiet hymns during the gathering and viewing time.   Although some memorial services have an order of worship similar and just = as structured as a regular Sunday worship service - the average memorial service I play for consists of - gathering/viewing time; family enters; greeting and prayer; scriptures; a song or congregational hymn (most often = a solo); more scripture; message; another song or hymn; prayer and benediction. Sometimes things are added, like an additional eulogy from a friend or family member, but not often. That's it. Much less formal than = a regular service and no "liturgy" at all, as such.   On another vein - regarding those musician-types who ask us to do = difficult literature at their services. One of my former music professors died recently, and his wife said that he always wanted Mahler's 3rd (yes, all = of it) played at his memorial. So..... they went ahead and had his memorial service, and there will be a memorial concert at the university later this spring for the rest.... (wish I had thought of this option last year when Sharon died and wanted part of the Brahms req., but the choir didn't know = it and couldn't learn it in 3 days before the service. I guess it is kind of late to prepare a memorial concert over a year later...)   Margo   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Hmmm .... I'm a LITTLE confused ... are you saying that Anglican and > Lutheran funerals AREN'T liturgical?    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:26:06 EST     --part1_1a4.f3f1acb.2b55cc5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/14/03 8:07:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, dillardm@airmail.net writes:     I was taught a hundred years ago when I first studied organ that funeral music was not to be fancy literature - you just play and improvise on quiet hymns that are familiar to those in attendance - and not "funeral" hymns - hymns of hope and assurance and resurrection -   I was taught this as well. I was also taught that the way to get congregations to sing on hymns was to USE MIXTURES! Well, we all know = how well THAT works! ;-)   I have had negative comments about playing hymn at funerals and also = during communion for that matter with the main objection that the familiar tune directs the listerns to the associated text and disturbs their meditation. = These people want to hear music without an associated text and music that = is conducive to meditation.   This is why I play music that is warm and cheerful, rather than = "funerial!"   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1a4.f3f1acb.2b55cc5e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica>In a message dated 1/14/03 8:07:54 AM = Eastern Standard Time, dillardm@airmail.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR> I was taught a hundred years ago <BR>when I first studied organ that funeral music was not to be fancy <BR>literature - you just play and improvise on quiet hymns that are <BR>familiar to those in attendance - and not "funeral" hymns - hymns of <BR>hope and assurance and resurrection -<FONT SIZE=3D3> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I was taught this as well. &nbsp;&nbsp;I was also taught that the way = to get congregations to sing on hymns was to USE MIXTURES! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, we all know how well THAT works! <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>I have had negative comments about playing hymn at funerals and also = during communion for that matter with the main objection that the familiar = tune directs the listerns to the associated text and disturbs their = meditation. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;These people want to hear music without an = associated text and music that is conducive to meditation. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>This is why I play music that is warm and cheerful, rather than = "funerial!" <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a4.f3f1acb.2b55cc5e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals . . . From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:52:42 EST     --part1_d3.170d8c57.2b55d29a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I just had the exact experience today of which Bruce Cornley has written- having thought back through what I observed as I played for a funeral = today.   For the Prelude, I improvised a medley of VERY familiar Christian hymns. During the postlude, however, rather than agree to the funeral home attendant's suggestion to use "canned" music, I played quiet, cheerful = music, with no tune or hymn association - music I improvised.   The people were directed to walk past the casket (if they wished) for a = final glimpse or to say "goodbye" however they wished. I heard no crying, no = tears during the Prelude.   During the postlude, however, it was as if the heavens opened!   [The deceased was 98 years young, had been a good Pastor , husband, = father, uncle, brother and Christian soul to many].   Those who attended the service in order to celebrate his long life and Christian witness were thus allowed opportunity to begin grieving THEIR = LOSS of him. I believe the music served this function very well and feel that I =   contributed a ministry - when all was said and done: a very good feeling.   Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Organist/Director of Music Ministries First Baptist Church /American Kansas City, Missouri Volunteer Staff Organist Community of Christ Auditorium & Temple Independence, Missouri   --part1_d3.170d8c57.2b55d29a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">I just had the exact experience today = of which Bruce Cornley has written- having thought back through what I = observed as I played for a funeral today.<BR> <BR> For the Prelude, I improvised a medley of VERY familiar Christian hymns. = During the postlude, however, rather than agree to the funeral home = attendant's suggestion to use "canned" music, I played quiet, cheerful = music, with no tune or hymn association - music I improvised. <BR> <BR> The people were directed to walk past the casket (if they wished) for a = final glimpse or to say "goodbye" however they wished.&nbsp; I heard <B>no = crying, no tears </B>during the Prelude.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> During the postlude, however, it was as if the heavens opened! <BR> <BR> [The deceased was 98 years young, had been a good Pastor , husband, = father, uncle, brother and Christian soul to many]. <BR> <BR> Those who attended the service in order to celebrate his long life and = Christian witness were thus allowed opportunity to begin grieving THEIR = LOSS of him. I believe the music served this function very well and feel = that I contributed a ministry - when all was said and done:&nbsp; a very = <B><I>good </B></I>feeling.<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D"0">Dale G. = Rider,&nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D1 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Book Antiqua" = LANG=3D"0"><I>MSM, CAGO<BR> Organist/Director of Music Ministries</I><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D"0"><B>First = Baptist Church</B> /American<BR> Kansas City, Missouri<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <I>Volunteer Staff = Organist</I><BR> <B><I>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </I>Community of = Christ</B> Auditorium &amp; Temple<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Independence, = Missouri</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_d3.170d8c57.2b55d29a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:17:00 EST     --part1_8c.2261d7ad.2b55d84c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:23:25 PM Central Standard Time,=3D20 Cremona502@cs.com writes:   >=3D20 > >> out of your entire "funeral repertoire", what are=3D20 >> your favorite pieces?=3D20 >>=3D20 >=3D20 Favorite Organ Repertoire for Funerals Deep River - arr. by Wilbur Held For all the saints - arr. by Wilbur Held Hark! A Voice saith all are mortal - J. S. Bach (Orgelbuchlein) Chant de Paix (Song of Peace) - Jean Langlais   Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Organist/Director of Music Ministries First Baptist Church /American Kansas City, Missouri Volunteer Staff Organist Community of Christ Auditorium & Temple Independence, Missouri   Allow Jesus Christ to be your personal Savior. God bless you today and everyday!   Jesus said: "I am the light of the world.=3DA0 Whoever follows me = will ne=3D ver=3D20 walk=3D20 in darkness, but will have the light of life."=3DA0 - John 8:12=3D20           --part1_8c.2261d7ad.2b55d84c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:23:25 PM = Central=3D20=3D Standard Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000"=3D style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"a=3D rial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">out of your entire "funeral = rep=3D ertoire", what are <BR> your favorite pieces? <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=3D fff" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"><B><BR> Favorite Organ Repertoire for Funerals</B><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D3=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">Deep River - = arr. by W=3D ilbur Held<BR> For all the saints - arr. by Wilbur Held<BR> Hark! A Voice saith all are mortal - J. S. Bach (Orgelbuchlein)<BR> Chant de Paix&nbsp; (Song of Peace) - Jean Langlais<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D3=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D3D"0">Dale G. = Rider,&nbsp; </FO=3D NT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D1 FAM=3D ILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D3D"0"><I>MSM, CAGO<BR> Organist/Director of Music Ministries</I><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>First Baptist = Church</=3D B> /American<BR> Kansas City, Missouri<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <I>Volunteer Staff = Organist=3D </I><BR> <B><I>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </I>Community of = Chri=3D st</B> Auditorium &amp; Temple<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Independence, = Missouri</FON=3D T><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2 FAMI=3D LY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <P ALIGN=3D3DCENTER></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#008000" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=3D #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"AucoinLight" = LANG=3D3D"0"><B><=3D BR> Allow Jesus Christ to be your personal Savior.<BR> God bless you today and everyday!</B><BR> <P ALIGN=3D3DLEFT><B><I><BR> </B></I>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<B> Jesus said</B>: <B><I>"I am the light = of=3D the world.=3DA0 Whoever follows me will never walk <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in darkness, but will have the light of = life."</B></I>=3D =3DA0 - John 8:12 </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #=3D ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"AucoinLight" = LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D1=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"AucoinLight" LANG=3D3D"0"><I><BR> <BR> </I><BR> </P></P></FONT></HTML> --part1_8c.2261d7ad.2b55d84c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:33:47 -0500   I don't play funerals very often these days, but my favorites include: Thalben-Ball: Elegy Faure: Pie Jesu and In paradisum JSB: Come Sweet Death Brahms: Blessed are ye faithful souls (or something like that) Handel: Dead March from Saul (I played that once at an RC funeral and = people liked it so much they asked me to do it for the postlude the = following Sunday.)   Dudel in Frigid, D.C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:51:45 -0500   > Doesn't anyone play hymns anymore?   Well, I'm not a service organist (yet), but the best funeral service I = think I've attended was centered around the hymn "Rejoice Ye Pure in Heart". = This was at the pre-expressed wishes of the deceased and his wife. The congregation sang the hymn and the organist played some brilliant = variantions on it.   They also insisted that the altar vestments be celebratory colors. Lots = of red! <G> I left with the feeling of having celebrated the deceased's life = as well as celebrating his sharing in Christ's victory over death. I also = felt like this gentleman left in _style_ and that that's the way I would like = to be sent off! That was some 9 years ago so I don't remember much of the rest = of the service.   Cheers, TommyLee Reston, VA    
(back) Subject: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic?? but there's more!!! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:04:51 EST     --part1_d8.21c16262.2b55f193_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   I ran across the following site and visited just for the h... er. heck of = it=3D ..=3D20 The "theology" is a bit of a stretch, but I did enjoy the section = on=3D20 drums: ;-)   The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic!!!   http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/drums.htm   The Bible lists many kinds of instruments: Psalms 150:3-5 says:=3D20 3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery = and=3D =3D20 harp. 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed = instrument=3D s=3D20 and organs. 5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals:praise him upon the high sounding = cymbals=3D ..=3D20 Psalms 150:3-5   With all the many references to musical instruments, there is one = instrument=3D =3D20 that is NEVER mentioned! The DRUM! Why is that? The drum was a very = common=3D20 instrument in Egypt and the lands around Israel. And yet the DRUM is = NEVER=3D20 mentioned in a King James Bible. Did the Lord just forget to include the = DRU=3D M=3D20 or is there another reason? Is it because =3DE2=3D80=3D94 drums are = associated wit=3D h voodoo,=3D20 shamanism, paganism and magic rituals? Palmer describes how drums are used = i=3D n=3D20 "voodoo" possession =3DE2=3D80=3D94 and the same drum patterns are part of = the Hal=3D lelujah=3D20 Chorus!=3D20   Haul this out at your next music committee meeting!!! heeheehee   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20       --part1_d8.21c16262.2b55f193_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica>I ran across the following site and = visit=3D ed just for the h... er. heck of it. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The "theology" is a = b=3D it of a stretch, but I did enjoy the section on drums: &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic!!! <BR> <BR>http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/drums.htm <BR> <BR>The Bible lists many kinds of instruments: Psalms 150:3-5 says:=3D20 <BR>3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the = psaltery=3D and harp. <BR>4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed = instru=3D ments and organs. <BR>5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals:praise him upon the high sounding = cym=3D bals. Psalms 150:3-5 <BR> <BR>With all the many references to musical instruments, there is one = instru=3D ment that is NEVER mentioned! <FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff3300" SIZE=3D3D3>The = DRUM!</F=3D ONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LA=3D NG=3D3D"0"> Why is that? The drum was a very common instrument in Egypt = and th=3D e lands around Israel. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff3300" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SA=3D NSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">And yet the DRUM is NEVER mentioned = in a=3D20=3D King James Bible.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERI=3D F" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> Did the Lord just forget to include the = DRUM o=3D r is there another reason? Is it because =3DE2=3D80=3D94 drums are = associated with=3D voodoo, shamanism, paganism and magic rituals? Palmer describes how drums = a=3D re used in "voodoo" possession =3DE2=3D80=3D94 </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#ff3300" SIZ=3D E=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">and the same = drum patte=3D rns are part of the Hallelujah Chorus!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D =3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">=3D20 <BR> <BR>Haul this out at your next music committee meeting!!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_d8.21c16262.2b55f193_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Speaking of funerals... From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:31:12 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I like the one about the organist who played Bach's "Sheep may safely graze" at a funeral, only to discover that the deceased had been a butcher!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Never the twain shall meet From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:40:30 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   My visit was restricted to the East side....NY.,Hartford,Boston, Harvard etc.   I never met such brilliant and interesting people as in Boston. I was there about 3 months and loved it.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > Was that his house in Hartford, Connecticut (where > he lived in later life),     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic?? but there's more!!! From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:23:33 EST     --part1_42.339f2366.2b560405_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Drums are associated with unemployment and bad tempos! lololololo greg   --part1_42.339f2366.2b560405_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Drums are associated = with unemployment and bad tempos! lololololo <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_42.339f2366.2b560405_boundary--