PipeChat Digest #3379 - Wednesday, January 15, 2003
 
Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic??  but there's more!!!
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Dutch - Deutsch
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Brahms requiem
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re:Funeral Styles
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: funeral repertoire
  by "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com>
Re: Re:Funeral Styles
  by "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com>
Re: funeral repertoire
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
What are we playing on Sunday?
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Funerals
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: funeral repertoire
  by <EchoGamba@aol.com>
Re: ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive
  by <EchoGamba@aol.com>
HTML crap problem, still!
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: HTML crap problem, still!  Netscape 7
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
RE: Turkey Buzzards and Taste
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Funeral Styles
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: funeral repertoire
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Funerals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic??  but there's more!!!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic?? but there's more!!! From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:14:29 -0500   Speaking of timbrels- So no drums, only tambourines and hand percussion? Whatever are the Baptists going to do? I guess if you have to put it down to play it, it's not a timbrel.   Paul     >4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed >instruments and organs. >5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals:praise him upon the high sounding >cymbals. Psalms 150:3-5 > >With all the many references to musical instruments, there is one >instrument that is NEVER mentioned! The DRUM! Why is that? The drum was a >very common instrument in Egypt and the lands around Israel. And yet the >DRUM is NEVER mentioned in a King James Bible. Did the Lord just forget to >include the DRUM or is there another reason? Is it because =92=C4=EE drums = are >associated with voodoo, shamanism, paganism and magic rituals? Palmer >describes how drums are used in "voodoo" possession =92=C4=EE and the same = drum >patterns are part of the Hallelujah Chorus! > >Haul this out at your next music committee meeting!!! heeheehee > >Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres >http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =20 >     http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Dutch - Deutsch From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:27:12 -0500   I remember long ago hearing an Amish quote: "Ain't, man, when the little = red house makes by, the train is all??"   Merry   In a message dated 1/9/2003 11:25:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, = kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes:   > > What I *did* learn was the "wrong" English usage of words or word = order > like from or derived from "dutch." So we still have fun saying things > like, "The coffee is all," i.e., there is no more coffee: "es ist = alles." > Or "Make out the light," i.e., turn off the light. (_Machen_ in German = has > more the meaning of _do_ than of _make_, and the word is taken over into > English with an incorrect meaning.)  
(back) Subject: Brahms requiem From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:34:38 -0500   The words to the Brahms requiem are passages from the Bible. You can = certainly read these in English if you don't know German.   Merry   In a message dated 1/9/2003 7:50:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pepehomer = writes:   > BUT I'm putting this request that for my funeral the entire Brahms = Requiem be performed. That's all I would even need. I know very minimal = German, so the words don't intrigue me > so much as the music.  
(back) Subject: Re:Funeral Styles From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:58:07 -0700   "Church funerals in England are becoming fewer and fewer, as more people choose to see off their loved ones at a local crematorium. Normally a = local 'on-call' priest will carry out the service in the crematorium chapel, = which is followed immediately by the actual cremation. I don't like this approach, however. It reminds me a bit of a McDonalds drive through!! It always seems to me to be very 'prepared' and clinical, not to mention the taped music!! Apart from a quick eulogy, it is not very personal at all."   Hope they don't serve Soylent Green at the Luncheon after the cremation!   D      
(back) Subject: Re: funeral repertoire From: "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:17:13 -0500   My 2 cents: A close friend recently commented: "As an Anglican, I go through phases of turn-on/turn-off to it all. I = think I've now decided. If anything happens to me, no Burial of the Dead rite. Just come together in silence, play the CD of Kings College Choir singing favorite hymns, then get up and leave in silence. It says it all--the message, tone, feeling, time for mourning, uplift, hope--it is all = expressed in the hymns. For example, The Day Thou Gavest . . . Abide with Me Make me an Instrument I Vow to Thee My Country Praise My Soul the King of Heaven Christ is Made the Sure Foundation etc. And, if not done already, strike the match and I'm outta here."   Robert Clooney      
(back) Subject: Re: Re:Funeral Styles From: "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:18:59 -0500   > Hope they don't serve Soylent Green at the Luncheon after the cremation!   Or Marmite on toast points!   r    
(back) Subject: Re: funeral repertoire From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:26:51 EST     --part1_12c.20658862.2b56bb9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I think we ought to stop being so morbid. Aren't you guys sick of seeing emails that say"funeral" every day? greg   --part1_12c.20658862.2b56bb9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think we ought to = stop being so morbid. &nbsp;Aren't you guys sick of seeing emails that = say"funeral" every day? <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12c.20658862.2b56bb9b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:55:37 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Great minds think alike......it's all getting a bit "Pit and Pendelum". I put Vincent Price playing "The abominable Dr Phibes" on the video, just for the laugh! (Love that gelo-mould console and the camp art deco style).   It's a well known phenomenon.....it's called Northern Hemisphere mid-Winter depression....notice how silent our Southern Hemisphere friends have been, as they play on surf boards and have "barbies" on the lawn.   Look guys, it could be worse. In Moscow, the temperature reached a staggering, mind and body-numbing -48C two nights ago. The Baltic is frozen solid with 70mm of ice covering it. Over 200 people have died already and there will be many more as heating systems fail in the extreme cold.   To keep on topic, how do organs survive these sort of temperatures? Don't the soundboards freeze and then split, and tin pipes turn to dust? Talk about Wood in the Phrygian Mode!   Anyway, the sun shone to-day and the thermometer is on the up.........time to play Alfred Hollins' "A song of sunshine" I think.   It will soon be Easter Bunnies and "This joyful Eastertide".   To quote a Russian saying, "Do not worry, we will see the Summer".   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK (+3C and feeling quite springlike)   PS: I've just realised that I chose the most tasteless heading, considering that Keith Gibb of the BG's died last week! Something of a "Tragedy" .... I liked the BG's.     --- Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > I think we ought to stop being so morbid. Aren't > you guys sick of seeing > emails that say"funeral" every day? > greg >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: What are we playing on Sunday? From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:03:22 -0600             Taking a cue from Gfc234, below, I'll pull a Glenda here and list my voluntaries for 1/19.   Prelude Carl Czerny--Prelude and Fugue in A Minor, Op. 603, No. 3 Robin Milford--Prelude on St. Columba   Postlude: Edgar Arro--Estonian Folktune No. 19   I recently bought a Doblinger album of Czerny organ pieces, and they ar= e worthwhile works. BTW, Op. 603 is not a typo. The guy was prolific, and= it makes me wonder about other compositions for organ with high opus numbe= rs. Bach's BWVs are arbitrarily assigned, but some would have high numbers = at any rate. We have Mozart's K. 608. How about Niels Viggo Bentzon? There= 's an organ piece from 1986 designated Op. 494, so I wonder if there isn't=   something even higher. Alan Hovhannes's Sonata No. 2 gets an Op. 356, w= hich is disappointingly low. Whom am I leaving out?   Robin Milford's centenary is 1/22, as I mentioned in a recent post. St.=   Columba was all I could find in my files, and it's quite difficult to f= ind any of his organ music these days.   Edgar Arro is just one of many Estonians who wrote/are writing for orga= n. Arvo P=E4rt may be the most well-known, but there are many others who h= ave written some truly fine works. This particular Arro piece reminds me of=   Bartok, and it should add a bit of spice to the end of the services.   Bob Lind     = =20 Gfc234@aol.com = =20 Sent by: To: pipechat@pipec= hat.org =20 <pipechat@pipecha cc: = =20 t.org> Subject: Re: funeral re= pertoire =20 = =20 = =20 01/15/2003 07:26 = =20 AM = =20 Please respond to = =20 "PipeChat" = =20 = =20 = =20         I think we ought to stop being so morbid. Aren't you guys sick of seei= ng emails that say"funeral" every day? greg   =      
(back) Subject: Funerals From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:12:11 -0600   Regarding funerals--a couple of points:   1. In some denominations, a pastor may be in charge; in mine, I really am not. I certainly have the greatest influence, but I am responsible to the elders of my congregation. And even if I were "in charge," throwing my weight around and insisting on certain standards may well be counterproductive.   2. I view the funeral as being primarily for the family of the deceased. Therefore, I try to go along with what they want; it's for them , and it should be meaningful to them. Some things make me shudder, but unless it's major, major, I grit my teeth and allow it.   Please note that I live in a different world from those of you who serve large churches with established liturgical routines. Just because a choir would be nice, doesn't mean I can have one for a funeral. Our choirs are volunteer, and most are working people and funerals are usually held during working hours. If I wanted a choir, I might be able to find a handful of professionals IF I paid well and had time to put together--it's just not a realistic option for many of us. And in this small town, if people came to a funeral and saw some "outsiders," "performing," it would probably be considered ostentatious and wasteful.     Remember, over half of all churches in the US have less than 100 people on Sunday morning.   Dennis Steckley   Ich liebe meine Katzen        
(back) Subject: Re: funeral repertoire From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:49:49 EST     --part1_123.1cc4331b.2b56dd1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Good point. As if I'm not depressed enough!!!   --part1_123.1cc4331b.2b56dd1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Good point.&nbsp; As if I'm not = depressed enough!!!</FONT></HTML>   --part1_123.1cc4331b.2b56dd1d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:52:21 EST     --part1_176.14c096f1.2b56ddb5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     PS: I've just realised that I chose the most tasteless heading, considering that Keith Gibb of the BG's died last week!     It was Maurice Gibb of the BeeGee's who died, but good point :-)   Paul. EchoGamba@AOL.com     --part1_176.14c096f1.2b56ddb5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> PS: I've just realised that I chose the most tasteless<BR> heading, considering that Keith Gibb of the BG's died<BR> last week!<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> It was Maurice Gibb of the BeeGee's who died, but good point :-)<BR> <BR> Paul.<BR> EchoGamba@AOL.com<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_176.14c096f1.2b56ddb5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: HTML crap problem, still! From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:02:23 -0500   Greetings all,   The HTML crap problem still rears its ugly head frequently on the digest = version of our fine chatline, and David does have some suggestions for = helping out those who inadvertently cause it.   Folks, if you use earthlink.net, verizon.net, nccn.com, aol.com, or = cs.com, you are probably unknowingly sending a lot of HTML crap to those = of us on the chatline digest. I assume that no one is intentionally = sending HTML crap to the digest. Pipe-chatters wouldn't do that!   As I write this post from my AOL.COM ISP, I am following the Internet = Explorer route suggested by David. Yes, it takes me much, MUCH longer to = prepare a post, however, it is simply the proper and respectful way I must = follow to keep HTML crap from the digested postings.   It is the LEAST I can do in this matter until technology catches up to our = problem.   Musically,   Stan Krider            
(back) Subject: Re: HTML crap problem, still! Netscape 7 From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:26:21 -0500   I just moved to Netscape 7 and while floundering around found that it automatically configures to send html mail....checked the OFF box shen I saw that but the move by some to make mail beautiful is making keeping up with this problem harder every day.     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Turkey Buzzards and Taste From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:32:15 -0500   > How do people reach the age of marriage (and the age of death) and = not only remain clueless, but expend huge amounts of time, energy, and effort = as   proponents of bad taste?   I think that some people are *afraid* that their children will grow up to have better taste than they do.   But can someone explain just what is wrong with On Eagles' Wings? While I would never take the initiative to purvey this song, neither do I get tied in knots if it is used from time to time. This is fortunate because it was one of my sister's requests for my father's = funeral last summer. I didn't mind, and thought that it was rather appropriate because he had always wanted to be a pilot.   Maybe my lack of aversion is a blind spot. Does someone care to enlighten me?      
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Styles From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:45:29 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3125475929_5743421 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 1/15/03 4:13 AM, "EchoGamba@aol.com" <EchoGamba@aol.com> wrote:   > 1-1/4 hours??? Blimey!! >=3D20 > Funerals here last on average 20 - 25 minutes. In 10 years as organist = a=3D t > this LARGE church, I have never played for a funeral service which has > included communion, nor have I ever played for a service that has lasted = =3D over > 30 minutes. >=3D20 > =3D80=3D80=3D80It=3DB9s certainly not always and everywhere the case = here, either. Forty > years ago I was in a tiny farm parish in North Dakota. They=3DB9d never = had > communion at a funeral. When my first funeral came along, I suggested = to=3D the > family that if they=3DB9d like I=3DB9d celebrate communion for them = (including go=3D bs of > relatives from some distance) at 11 a.m. (the funerals were always at 2 = p=3D ..m.). > They eager accepted, and it became standard. NOWadays, it=3DB9s gotten = much =3D more > common to make the funeral a =3DB3funeral mass=3DB2--and, theologically, = it makes=3D good > sense. >=3D20 > Church funerals in England are becoming fewer and fewer, as more people = c=3D hoose > to see off their loved ones at a local crematorium. Normally a local > 'on-call' priest will carry out the service in the crematorium chapel, = wh=3D ich > is followed immediately by the actual cremation. I don't like this = appro=3D ach, > however. It reminds me a bit of a McDonalds drive through!! It always = s=3D eems > to me to be very 'prepared' and clinical, not to mention the taped = music!=3D ! > Apart from a quick eulogy, it is not very personal at all. >=3D20 > =3D80=3D80=3D80I certainly agree with you, Paul. Cremation is hugely = more the norm h=3D ere > now than it was a half-century back. But generally private, and = followed=3D at > whatever time is convenient by the =3DB3funeral mass=3DB2 or = =3DB3memorial service=3DB2 i=3D n the > church, conducted by the clergyperson of the deceased=3DB9s choice. If = my fa=3D mily, > or my pastor, or my parish, called a =3DB3rent-a-priest=3DB2 to = =3DB3do=3DB2 me, I=3DB9d rise=3D up > out of my urn knock =3D8Cem up the side of their heads. >=3D20 > Paul. > EchoGamba@AOL.com >=3D20     --B_3125475929_5743421 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Funeral Styles</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 1/15/03 4:13 AM, = &quot;EchoGamba@aol.com&qu=3D ot; &lt;EchoGamba@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS">1-1/4 hours??? = &nbsp;Blimey!!=3D <BR> <BR> Funerals here last on average 20 - 25 minutes. &nbsp;In 10 years as = organis=3D t at this LARGE church, I have never played for a funeral service which = has =3D included communion, nor have I ever played for a service that has lasted = ove=3D r 30 minutes.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80It&#8217;s certainly not always and everywhere the case = here, either. &n=3D bsp;Forty years ago I was in a tiny farm parish in North Dakota. = &nbsp;They&=3D #8217;d never had communion at a funeral. &nbsp;When my first funeral came = a=3D long, I suggested to the family that if they&#8217;d like I&#8217;d = celebrat=3D e communion for them (including gobs of relatives from some distance) at = 11 =3D a.m. (the funerals were always at 2 p.m.). &nbsp;They eager accepted, and = it=3D became standard. &nbsp;NOWadays, it&#8217;s gotten much more common to = make=3D the funeral a &#8220;funeral mass&#8221;--and, theologically, it makes = good=3D sense.<BR> <BR> Church funerals in England are becoming fewer and fewer, as more people = cho=3D ose to see off their loved ones at a local crematorium. &nbsp;Normally a = loc=3D al 'on-call' priest will carry out the service in the crematorium chapel, = wh=3D ich is followed immediately by the actual cremation. &nbsp;I don't like = this=3D approach, however. &nbsp;It reminds me a bit of a McDonalds drive = through!!=3D &nbsp;It always seems to me to be very 'prepared' and clinical, not to ment=3D ion the taped music!! &nbsp;Apart from a quick eulogy, it is not very = person=3D al at all.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80I certainly agree with you, Paul. &nbsp;Cremation is hugely = more the nor=3D m here now than it was a half-century back. &nbsp;But generally private, = and=3D followed at whatever time is convenient by the &#8220;funeral mass&#8221; = o=3D r &#8220;memorial service&#8221; in the church, conducted by the = clergyperso=3D n of the deceased&#8217;s choice. &nbsp;If my family, or my pastor, or my = pa=3D rish, called a &#8220;rent-a-priest&#8221; to &#8220;do&#8221; me, = I&#8217;d=3D rise up out of my urn knock &#8216;em up the side of their heads.<BR> <BR> Paul.<BR> EchoGamba@AOL.com</FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3125475929_5743421--    
(back) Subject: Re: funeral repertoire From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:57:00 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3125476620_5785000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 1/15/03 8:26 AM, "Gfc234@aol.com" <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote:   > I think we ought to stop being so morbid. Aren't you guys sick of = seeing > emails that say"funeral" every day? > greg=3D20   No, actually. I=3DB9m SURPRISED at you, Greg! =3DB3In the midst of life, = we are i=3D n death.=3DB2 Give yourself a few more years, and you might think it more = =3DB3happy=3D =3DB2 than =3DB3morbid.=3DB2   Joshing you,   Alan   --B_3125476620_5785000 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: funeral repertoire</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 1/15/03 8:26 AM, = &quot;Gfc234@aol.com&quot;=3D &lt;Gfc234@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">I = think we o=3D ught to stop being so morbid. &nbsp;Aren't you guys sick of seeing emails = th=3D at say&quot;funeral&quot; every day? <BR> greg</FONT> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> No, actually. &nbsp;I&#8217;m SURPRISED at you, Greg! &nbsp;&#8220;In the = m=3D idst of life, we are in death.&#8221; &nbsp;Give yourself a few more = years, =3D and you might think it more &#8220;happy&#8221; than = &#8220;morbid.&#8221;<B=3D R> <BR> Joshing you,<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3125476620_5785000--    
(back) Subject: Re: ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:02:00 -0500   On 1/15/03 9:55 AM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Hello, > > Look guys, it could be worse. In Moscow, the > temperature reached a staggering, mind and > body-numbing -48C two nights ago. The Baltic is frozen > solid with 70mm of ice covering it. Over 200 people > have died already and there will be many more as > heating systems fail in the extreme cold.   It's what we call "global warming"? > > > It will soon be Easter Bunnies and "This joyful > Eastertide". > What tune do you use, Colin? We love Vreuchten, a Dutch tune.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Funerals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:12:36 -0500   On 1/15/03 10:12 AM, "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > Regarding funerals--a couple of points: > > 1. In some denominations, a pastor may be in charge; in mine, I really > am not. I certainly have the greatest influence, but I am responsible > to the elders of my congregation. And even if I were "in charge," > throwing my weight around and insisting on certain standards may well be > counterproductive.   Understandable. I have to ask, though: If you're not in charge, who IS? > > 2. I view the funeral as being primarily for the family of the > deceased. Therefore, I try to go along with what they want; it's for > them , and it should be meaningful to them. Some things make me > shudder, but unless it's major, major, I grit my teeth and allow it.   I can certainly agree that "something" is "for the family"--but I'm sure that any church service is that. Church services are for the church (the people). > > Please note that I live in a different world from those of you who serve > large churches with established liturgical routines.   Granted. We have (generally) "established liturgical routines," but = "large" we're not. Tiny.   > Just because a > choir would be nice, doesn't mean I can have one for a funeral. Our > choirs are volunteer, and most are working people and funerals are > usually held during working hours.   Undoubtedly. Advantage of a tiny congregation is that many of our = choirfolk will be in church anyway, because the deceased is a friend, and they can = get off work for a friend's funeral.   > If I wanted a choir, I might be able > to find a handful of professionals IF I paid well and had time to put > together--it's just not a realistic option for many of us.   Oh, I agree. Without reservations.   > And in this > small town, if people came to a funeral and saw some "outsiders," > "performing," it would probably be considered ostentatious and wasteful.   Agreed again, all the way. > Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic?? but there's more!!! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:36:46 EST     --part1_19d.f5093f1.2b56f62e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/14/03 11:05:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:     > Drums are associated with praise and worship bands, too. Lee   Exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly!!!!   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_19d.f5093f1.2b56f62e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/14/03 11:05:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#400040" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Drums are associated with praise and worship bands, too. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly!!!! <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_19d.f5093f1.2b56f62e_boundary--