PipeChat Digest #3380 - Wednesday, January 15, 2003
 
Re: Funeral Styles
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic??  but there's more!!!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Burial funnies!!  ;-)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
La Cath=E9drale de Lausanne, Switzerland
  by "Mark Nelson" <marknelson@cbfisk.com>
Chest Releathering
  by "danielwh1" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
paid singers, performances, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Update on Sand
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic??  but there's more!!!
  by "Bill Lyon" <lyonw@snycorva.cortland.edu>
Drums - WAS Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic - WAS organ chat list
  by "Mark Koontz" <markkoontz@yahoo.com>
Re: Drums - WAS Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic - WAS organ chat list
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: La Cath=E9drale de Lausanne, Switzerland
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
drums and cymbals and the devil
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Easter  ( was  ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive & probably still is)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
From funerals to weddings
  by <EchoGamba@aol.com>
Re: What are we playing on Sunday?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Sorry! The funeral isn't quite over!
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
funeral (Catholic)
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Styles From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:40:11 EST     --part1_14.76360bc.2b56f6fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/15/03 4:14:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, EchoGamba@aol.com writes:     > Church funerals in England are becoming fewer and fewer, as more people > choose to see off their loved ones at a local crematorium. Normally a > local 'on-call' priest will carry out the service in the crematorium > chapel, which is followed immediately by the actual cremation.   Geez..... this gives me an image of mourners sitting around all dressed in =   black, holding marshmallows on sticks waiting for the over door to = open.... I think it's vacation time!!! heeheehee   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_14.76360bc.2b56f6fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 1/15/03 4:14:40 AM Eastern = Standard Time, EchoGamba@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Church funerals in England are becoming fewer and = fewer, as more people choose to see off their loved ones at a local = crematorium. &nbsp;Normally a local 'on-call' priest will carry out the = service in the crematorium chapel, which is followed immediately by the = actual cremation. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Geez..... this gives me an image of mourners sitting around all = dressed in black, holding marshmallows on sticks waiting for the over door = to open.... &nbsp;&nbsp;I think it's vacation time!!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_14.76360bc.2b56f6fb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic?? but there's more!!! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:48:42 EST     --part1_141.7e9db4a.2b56f8fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/15/03 7:15:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, = popel@sover.net writes:     Speaking of timbrels- So no drums, only tambourines and hand percussion? Whatever are the Baptists going to do?   Maybe it's not considered a "drum" if its recorded!! ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_141.7e9db4a.2b56f8fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica>In a message dated 1/15/03 7:15:53 AM = Eastern Standard Time, popel@sover.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR>Speaking of timbrels- So no drums, only tambourines and hand = percussion? <BR>Whatever are the Baptists going to do?<FONT SIZE=3D3> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Maybe it's not considered a "drum" if its recorded!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_141.7e9db4a.2b56f8fa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Burial funnies!! ;-) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:50:30 EST   In a message dated 1/15/03 8:27:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, = Gfc234@aol.com writes:     I think we ought to stop being so morbid. Aren't you guys sick of seeing emails that say"funeral" every day?         Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: La Cath=E9drale de Lausanne, Switzerland From: "Mark Nelson" <marknelson@cbfisk.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:51:58 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_18431162= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   For those who may be interested, I've posted the first 2 pics of the installation of our new 5M organ in Lausanne Switzerland. You can get there directly from on the link on our homepage: http://www.cbfisk.com/welcome.html or directly: www.cbfisk.com/120/op120pics.html . I'll add pics as they come =   in.   Yesterday's Gloucester Daily Times also featured an article about the installation. You should be able to see this for the rest of the week by going to www.gloucestertimes.com and clicking on "Tuesday" then on to the front page article or clicking on this url: http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/g/gtue.pl?slug-GORGANS .   Mark Nelson   C. B. Fisk, Inc. 18 Kondelin Rd, Gloucester MA 01930 USA VOX 978.283.1909 FAX 978.283.2938 cbfisk@cbfisk.com http://www.cbfisk.com/welcome.html   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_18431162= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> For those who may be interested, I've posted the first 2 pics of the installation of our new 5M organ in Lausanne Switzerland.&nbsp; You can get there directly from on the link on our homepage:&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.cbfisk.com/welcome.html" = eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.cbfisk.com/welcome.html</a> or directly:&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.cbfisk.com/120/op120pics.html" = eudora=3D"autourl">www.cbfisk.com/120/op120pics.html</a> .&nbsp; I'll add = pics as they come in.&nbsp; <br><br> Yesterday's Gloucester Daily Times also featured an article about the = installation.&nbsp; You should be able to see this for the rest of the = week by going to <a href=3D"http://www.gloucestertimes.com/" = eudora=3D"autourl">www.gloucestertimes.com</a> and clicking on = &quot;Tuesday&quot; then on to the front page article or clicking on this = url:&nbsp; <a = href=3D"http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/g/gtue.pl?slug-GORGANS" = eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/g/gtue.pl?slug-GORGANS</a= > .<br><br> Mark Nelson<br> <x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep> C. B. Fisk, Inc.<br> <font size=3D1>18 Kondelin Rd, Gloucester MA&nbsp; 01930&nbsp;&nbsp; = USA<br> VOX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 978.283.1909&nbsp; FAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 978.283.2938<br> cbfisk@cbfisk.com<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><= a href=3D"http://www.cbfisk.com/welcome.html" = eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.cbfisk.com/welcome.html</a><br> </font></html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_18431162= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Chest Releathering From: "danielwh1" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:52:42 -0400   What would be the Qualification list for a windchest that could not be releathered? what would have to be taken into consideration say for example ,an early 1900s Casavant windchest Daniel     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003    
(back) Subject: paid singers, performances, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:11:05 -0800       > On 1/15/03 10:12 AM, "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" > <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote: > > > Regarding funerals--a couple of points: > > > >> > > Just because a > > choir would be nice, doesn't mean I can have one for a funeral. Our > > choirs are volunteer, and most are working people and funerals are > > usually held during working hours.   Alan responds: > > Undoubtedly. Advantage of a tiny congregation is that many of our = choirfolk > will be in church anyway, because the deceased is a friend, and they can = get > off work for a friend's funeral.   Bud:   Exactly. Three of my four section leaders are employed by the church in other capacities ... youth minister, secretary, sexton ... so they're on the premises anyway during office hours. We can sing our liturgy with a quartet, but usually we have at least eight singers. And, as you say, in a small parish like ours (250 communicants), it's likely that MOST of the choir would be there ANYWAY because they knew the deceased.   > > > If I wanted a choir, I might be able > > to find a handful of professionals IF I paid well and had time to put > > together--it's just not a realistic option for many of us. > > Oh, I agree. Without reservations.   Occasionally I have to hire one or more singers for weddings and funerals ... usually a tenor, since our tenor section leader is the only one who DOESN'T work for the church.   > > > And in this > > small town, if people came to a funeral and saw some "outsiders," > > "performing," it would probably be considered ostentatious and = wasteful. > > Agreed again, all the way. > > > Alan >   HOO BOY! Seeing that word "outsiders" in ANY kind of Christian context makes me see red.   At one of the NASTIEST jobs I EVER had, Holy Trinity Episcopal Church in Ocean Beach (San Diego), I was CONSTANTLY accused of bringing "outsiders" into "their" church because the music program attracted many visitors. This is the same church that stationed sidesmen at the doors to keep "hippies" out, despite being in the middle of a Southern California beach community ... if the sidesmen didn't like a person's looks, he simply said, "sorry, this is a private service" (Sunday MASS!), and turned them away.   The issue of "outsiders" in the choir reared its ugly head at St. Matthew's this year (my sixth year in the post), for some reason. St. Matthew's had paid singers on an irregular basis LONG before I became organist/choirmaster. The reasons WHY it came up are somewhat complex, but anyway ...   I said, "look ... I directed a professional choir of SERIOUS pagans at Old St. Mary's for YEARS; BUT ... in the course of those years, by simply LEAVING THEM ALONE, we saw four baptized, and two married in the Church. There ARE no 'outsiders' in a Christian community, pagan singers or no. You may NEVER know the seeds you plant by treating them with charity and welcoming them. These AREN'T aliens from another planet ... they're mostly college kids trying to pay the RENT."   Fortunately, the Rector backed me up, and THEY backed DOWN.   On another issue: since when did "performing" become a pejorative term? I'm a professional musician; I study music, I write music, I rehearse music, I PERFORM music. My standards are NOT tempered by the venue ... the same standards apply to the choir loft as the concert stage. WHAT I perform IS tempered by the abilities of the available forces; but the preparations and the performances themselves are NOT.   A friend of mine had a flourishing music program in a most unlikely place: a military base chapel. The Roman Catholic chaplain eventually got him fired. The reason: "you don't play enough WRONG notes; it sounds too 'PROFESSIONAL'."   Well excuse ME ... it IS my profession, and I spent a lot of years and a lot of money becoming PROFICIENT at it. "Slap-dash for God" simply isn't in my vocabulary. If I DON'T offer my BEST to God, then I am guilty of the same sin as the unworthy servant who buried his talent in the ground.   I work in a church that has VERY high liturgical and musical standards. What has to be sung HAS to be sung. If we have enough volunteers to sing it, fine; if we don't, we hire people to help out.   We sing about twelve hours' worth of music from Palm Sunday through Easter Day ... not counting extra rehearsals. I have a volunteer choir of 4-3-3-3. They're GOOD, and they're FAITHFUL, but they're not supermen/women.   Our dedication service took FOUR hours; at the end, volunteers and paid singers alike were virtually COMATOSE, they were so tired. There was no WAY my volunteers could have sung that service ALONE. But it had to be sung.   Some people in churches have the funny idea that "the laborer is worthy of his hire" doesn't apply to musicians. Try asking your pastor to work for nothing (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Update on Sand From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:17:13 -0600   I just finished speaking with Sand on the phone. He is ready to go home - just waiting for one of the doctors to come in an sign off on him. He said that his fingers are twitching to get back on-line and will send out an email as soon as h gets home..   David  
(back) Subject: Re: The Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic?? but there's more!!! From: "Bill Lyon" <lyonw@snycorva.cortland.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:07:34 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0029_01C2BC9F.73BD4140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I get very tired with the folk who look for Satan behind every bush. I = =3D don't think that's what God has in mind for our use of time. Didn't =3D Luther say, "Sin boldly and love God."? Correction invited.   I haven't check the score but are not the words taken from the Bible?   Bill Growing old and impatient.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0029_01C2BC9F.73BD4140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dwindows-1252" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.3314.2100" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>I get very tired with the folk who look for Satan behind every =3D bush.&nbsp;=3D20 I don't think that's what God has in mind for our use of time.&nbsp; =3D Didn't=3D20 Luther say, "Sin boldly and love God."?&nbsp; Correction invited.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I haven't check the score but are not the words taken from the =3D Bible?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Bill</DIV> <DIV>Growing old and impatient.</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0029_01C2BC9F.73BD4140--    
(back) Subject: Drums - WAS Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic - WAS organ chat list From: "Mark Koontz" <markkoontz@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:21:23 -0800 (PST)   So, do I scratch Karg-Elert's "Praise the Lord with Drums and Cymbals" off = the wedding recommendations list?   As I look at Psalm 150, it's difficult for me to start listing exclusions. = As I read it, everything can praise the Lord -- nothing is left out. On the = other hand, when our pipe organ replaced the old Allen, I liked to quote "Let everything *THAT HAS BREATH* praise the Lord", but that's another story.   Of course, as tubamagna points out, there's a lot of tastelessness = everywhere. But in terms of the instrument in question, it may sound preposterous, but = I have heard tasteful drum playing in a worship service. Not everybody can = do this. The drummer has to understand music and enjoy collaboration, and = many, frankly, do not.   To tie into yet another thread, I think that "On Eagle's Wings" (if it's = the tune of which I am thinking) has simply become tiresome in the hearing. = It really isn't like "O Mensch, bewein' dein' Sunde gross", to which you can listen a billion times and still be moved and edified.   It is unfortunate that much of worship music today is founded on elements = of fleeting interest: RETAIL music, meant simply to be bought and consumed. = We want to be popular, and we want our deity to be popular, too.   For my part, I consider it my job to bring music of beauty to worship for = each service in which I play. Sometimes I even succeed. I would want to = encourage other musicians to do the same, regardless of their instrument.   Is there a way to bring beauty to "On Eagle's Wings"? Could creativity of registration and improvisation bring fresh communication to the intent of = the music? I know it helps if you can actually find some inherent interest in = the musical source, but wouldn't it be tempting to address the challenge of = turning something normally cast before swine into pearls? OK, maybe not.   Back to drums: I don't expect every RC or Anglo-Catholic church to add a = trap set next to the organ. I also don't expect every brand-x praise band to = add a portative. However, I would like to expect that each has the grace to = respect the sincerity of the other's efforts. That doesn't preclude arguing (with respect) the merits of our own approach. It just means: no personality sniping.   Sorry. This is one of my hot buttons (OK three hot buttons).   Thanks to everyone on the list. I look forward to the postings every day. = I grow to love the organ more and more, largely because of this community.   Mark Koontz    
(back) Subject: Re: Drums - WAS Hallelujah Chorus is Satanic - WAS organ chat list From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:00:16 -0700       Mark Koontz wrote: > > So, do I scratch Karg-Elert's "Praise the Lord with Drums and Cymbals" = off the > wedding recommendations list?     To push this thread a little farther, or perhaps to push some other hot buttons, I see (or hear) a huge difference between "drums" and a trap set.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: La Cath=E9drale de Lausanne, Switzerland From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:14:46 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3125488486_6480629 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   On 1/15/03 12:51 PM, "Mark Nelson" <marknelson@cbfisk.com> wrote:   > For those who may be interested, I've posted the first 2 pics of the > installation of our new 5M organ in Lausanne Switzerland.   Mark, can we look forward to a specification? The pics, so far, are MARVELOUS.   Alan   --B_3125488486_6480629 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: La Cath&eacute;drale de Lausanne, Switzerland</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 1/15/03 12:51 PM, &quot;Mark = Nelson&quot; &=3D lt;marknelson@cbfisk.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">For those who may be = intere=3D sted, I've posted the first 2 pics of the installation of our new 5M organ = i=3D n Lausanne Switzerland. &nbsp;<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Mark, can we look forward to a specification? &nbsp;The pics, so far, are = M=3D ARVELOUS.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3125488486_6480629--    
(back) Subject: drums and cymbals and the devil From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:19:39 -0800   I had an interesting experience a couple of years ago ... when I first came out of retirement, I took a position as interim organist in a large African-American Episcopal church in LA. The choir director also directed the diocesan choral group and another African-American choral group, so he had quite an array of forces in the loft the one Easter Day I was there.   Among them was a FABULOUS percussionist, who improvised under, over, and around some amazingly disparate musical styles in the course of the service.   I played the big Bach G Major for the postlude ... I was STUNNED when the percussionist joined in (unrehearsed), but then I started to listen to what he was actually DOING, and enjoyed it immensely. I asked him afterwards if he knew the piece, since he was across the loft from the console, and didn't have a score. He said, "no, I just listened to what you were doing." AMAZING!   I did the Delalande (?) Symphony of Noels one Christmas with a small orchestra and every percussion instrument in the BOOK (and then some) .... THAT was great fun too.   When we dedicated the new church, we circled the building outside first, ringing bells and making all KINDS of noise (I think even the DEVIL would flee from a BAGPIPER in full cry), which IS the traditional way of chasing the devil AWAY before a church is dedicated.   The Hallelujah Chorus demonic? BALDERDASH! (grin)   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Easter ( was ha ha ha ha....stayin' alive & probably still is) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:16:52 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Alan Freed asked what tune we use in the UK to "This joyful Eastertide".   The tune is usually the Anglican setting by Charles Wood.....a jolly thing with a quasi medieval feel to it. Highly recommended!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: From funerals to weddings From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:23:31 EST     --part1_193.140df792.2b571d43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear all,   There has been much talk on funerals over the past week or so. I have enjoyed the interesting points put forward by the many people on the list, =   and long may it continue, after all, we will all pass this way so we = should be prepared.   Onto weddings................   I have noticed that this year there are more weddings booked at my church than ever I can remember. 62 in all!! This is good news for me of = course, because I get paid for each one! ;-) I am suprised at the increase, as = over the past few years, in England at least, more and more 'happy' couples = have been choosing to be married in hotels and bars, etc. This is quite new in =   this country, because it is only in the past few years that hotels and the =   like have been issued with licences to carry out actual wedding ceremonies =   prior to the wedding reception. Is this just a new trend in the UK or is this happening all over the world? I suspect the answer is a resounding = YES! This seems to be another example of businesses cashing in on what was = once a serious religious commitment to God.   Seems to me to be another McDonalds drive through scenario.   Paul. EchoGamba@AOL.com   --part1_193.140df792.2b571d43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Dear all,<BR> <BR> There has been much talk on funerals over the past week or so.&nbsp; I = have enjoyed the interesting points put forward by the many people on the = list, and long may it continue, after all, we will all pass this way so we = should be prepared.<BR> <BR> Onto weddings................<BR> <BR> I have noticed that this year there are more weddings booked at my church = than ever I can remember.&nbsp; 62 in all!!&nbsp; This is good news for me = of course, because I get paid for each one! ;-)&nbsp; I am suprised at the = increase, as over the past few years, in England at least, more and more = 'happy' couples have been choosing to be married in hotels and bars, = etc.&nbsp; This is quite new in this country, because it is only in the = past few years that hotels and the like have been issued with licences to = carry out actual wedding ceremonies prior to the wedding reception.&nbsp; = Is this just a new trend in the UK or is this happening all over the = world?&nbsp; I suspect the answer is a resounding YES!&nbsp; This seems to = be another example of businesses cashing in on what was once a serious = religious commitment to God.<BR> <BR> Seems to me to be another McDonalds drive through scenario.<BR> <BR> Paul.<BR> EchoGamba@AOL.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_193.140df792.2b571d43_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing on Sunday? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:30:10 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Last Sunday, I left my glasses at home and went to church. The first thing I did was greet a stone pier warmly and accuse it of putting on weight over the Christmas period!!   So the voluntaries were largely from memory!   This Sunday, I shall make a special effort. Perhaps a whole Trio Sonata before, and a "barn burning" no.2 Fugue on B-A-C-H by Schumann afterwards.   On the other hand, I may forget my glasses yet again, and improvise on the well known chorale, "Three blind mice".   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Sorry! The funeral isn't quite over! From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:40:11 +0000   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>When my grandmother shuffled off this mortal coil there was a = depressing "service" in a crematorium with canned music. I swore = that&nbsp;if it was anything to do with me - and on the question of = Church&nbsp;Music it will be - that&nbsp;on any similar - not too frequent = occasion -&nbsp;in the future - this would not happen again. If I outlive = my mother - who is 90 and I believe the longest seving member of the Royal = Air Force Club in London - (she has been a member for 65 years) I will = respect her wishes for a simple funeral, but I will organise a glorious = memorial service, hopefully at St Clement Danes, to honour this great = lady's life and contribution to education. (Among other things she was = responsible for introducing "multiple choice" questions into = the&nbsp;English examination system after visiting the University of = Michigan as chairman of the British Government's&nbsp;commission on = examining standards&nbsp;in the 1960's.)&nbsp;The music will be dignified, = but expressing hope a <P>www.johnfoss.gr<BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>www.johnfoss.gr <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection = service: <a href=3D"http://g.msn.com/8HMCEN/2020">2 months FREE*</a> = </html>  
(back) Subject: funeral (Catholic) From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:55:17 +0100   Hi Folks,   I thought I would like to contribute a little about Catholic funerals. Or= =20 better, funerals in Austria.   The service at the funeral hall is usually quite brief, it's not a full m= ass=20 (with communion and everything) just a small service ... then the decease= d is=20 transferred to the burying place where the deceased is finally blessed an= d=20 the attendants make their condolence. Services and exhibitions at home ar= e=20 extremely rare, in fact I don't remember even one. As for the music,=20 sometimes it is canned (CDs), the more expensive funerals have singers an= d an=20 organist. However, a singing quartett is not very seldom here.   A few days later there is the requiem, which is a full mass with a specia= l=20 liturgy and special hymns. At the anniversary of the death, sometimes a m= ass=20 is dedicated to the deceased, but it has no special liturgy or so, it's j= ust=20 the priest says that this mass is hold for N.N. and N.N., whomever.   The most important part of the funeral is the lunch afterwards, which can= get=20 quite "irish" dimensions, especially in the rural areas. In fact I alway= s=20 say you meet all relatives at three occasions in life:christenings, weddi= ngs=20 and funeral       --=20 DI Thomas Mohr Institute of Cancer Research - Vienna University Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna Austria Tel ++43 (1) 4277 65160 Fax ++43 (1) 4277 65196