PipeChat Digest #3387 - Friday, January 17, 2003
 
Re: Mediocrity
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Bach CDs--your choices solicited
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Re: Mediocrity
  by "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net>
"correct" registration
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Key West Organs
  by "J.R. Daniels" <jrdssj@city-net.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Who directs a funeral or wedding-non organic
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
heel-and-toe, yo ho ho
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Mediocrity From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:52:05 -0500   Hi Mark:   Mediocrity has many meanings. If it means the creep of pop music into church services, I'm with you. If it means accessable service music to most players, such as the Lorenz offerings and similar music, then we part company. There is a definate place in a service for well crafted, but easily acquired material. Recital music as preludes and postludes will work only in big churches, or where this sort of thing is encouraged. I think appropriateness is a better word. People like music that they can understand, or have become used to. I don't think IMHO that it is mediocre to play appropriate music even if it's easy, but I do think it may be mediocre to play great music badly, just to say you played something harder or out of reach of most others. That borders on elitist leanings, which I always find pretentious and silly. A church service is not a concert. If it is a concert, then the thinking is mediocre, and out of place. Service playing is totally different in demands to a concert, and both have their place. To mix the two, unless the venue warrents this kind of musical treatment, is a mistake. Services are for worshiping God, Concerts are for the edification, education, and entertainment of the assembled. The purposes are different. If you feel inclined to entertain during a service, then IMHO you need to focus on giving concerts, and forget about church work, because you have lost the thought of the cause and the mission, worship! There are great organists who can do both very well, and keep the purposes separate. Felix Hell comes immediately to mind. I use him as an example, because of his high profile, and his mature taste. He enjoys playing either very well, and keeps things in perspective.   Is the music mediocre, or the thinking behind it?   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:11:42 -0800   One you don't agree with?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Complete Bach CD Set? From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:11:05 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_15429125= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 12:41 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:   >Greg: > > > >What s a registrational no-no? > > > >Charles Hi,   A Bach registrational no- no would be to use strings, especially celestes with tremulants, and on top of that using the swell box. You could say Virgil Fox committed many no-no's.   Arie V. --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_15429125= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 12:41 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 = color=3D"#000080">Greg:<br> </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">&nbsp;<br> </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">What s a registrational no-no?<br> </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">&nbsp;<br> </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">Charles<br> </font></blockquote><font size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">Hi,<br> <br> A Bach registrational no- no would be to use strings, especially celestes with tremulants, and on top of that using the swell box.&nbsp; You could say Virgil Fox committed many no-no's.<br> <br> Arie V.</font></html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_15429125= =3D=3D_.ALT--      
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:32:15 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01C2BE2C.D96616A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I think you're already on the right track by having purchased several =3D recordings from different performers for your collection. To think that = =3D a CD set of one performer with the complete Bach on them could do all of = =3D the different pieces justice is highly unlikely. I know artists who =3D refuse to record the complete Bach for that very reason. I would think = =3D that 20 years from now you'll probably feel obligated to listen to the =3D same recordings by the same performer with the same interpretations just = =3D because you made a huge investment in the set. Just an objective view. = =3D Good luck!   Jim Clouser BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music Music Director/Organist Reformation Lutheran Evangelical Church Eastlake, Ohio ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: John Jarvis=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:49 AM Subject: Complete Bach CD Set?     I have several CDs of Bach organ music played on various organs by =3D several different players. I have been entertaining the idea of =3D purchasing one of the "Complete Bach" organ CD sets. Does anyone have a = =3D recommendation of one set over another?   JJ   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01C2BE2C.D96616A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in =3D 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3D3DEN-US vLink=3D3Dpurple link=3D3Dblue bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I think you're already on the right = =3D track by having=3D20 purchased several recordings from different performers for your=3D20 collection.&nbsp; To think that a CD set of one performer with the =3D complete Bach=3D20 on them could do all of the different&nbsp;pieces justice is&nbsp;highly = =3D   unlikely.&nbsp;&nbsp;I know artists who refuse to record the complete =3D Bach for=3D20 that very reason.&nbsp; I would think that 20 years from now&nbsp;you'll = =3D   probably </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>feel obligated to listen = to =3D the same=3D20 recordings by the same performer&nbsp;with the same =3D interpretations&nbsp;just=3D20 because you made a huge investment in the&nbsp;set. &nbsp;Just an =3D objective=3D20 view.&nbsp; Good luck!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim&nbsp;Clouser</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT size=3D3D2>BM candidate, Cleveland = Institute =3D of=3D20 Music</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT>Music=3D20 Director/Organist</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT>Reformation Lutheran =3D Evangelical=3D20 Church</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Eastlake, Ohio</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Djjarvis@attbi.com href=3D3D"mailto:jjarvis@attbi.com">John = =3D Jarvis</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 17, 2003 = =3D 3:49=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Complete Bach CD =3D Set?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=3D3DSection1> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have several CDs of = =3D Bach organ=3D20 music played on various organs by several different players.&nbsp; I =3D have been=3D20 entertaining the idea of purchasing one of the =3D93Complete Bach=3D94 = =3D organ CD sets.=3D20 &nbsp;Does anyone have a recommendation of one set over=3D20 another?</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial">JJ</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01C2BE2C.D96616A0--  
(back) Subject: Bach CDs--your choices solicited From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:35:56 -0600             I have a friend who recently has become quite enamored of the Preston Bach recordings. I'd like to introduce a little variety into her diet but am = not "up" on who is best at what. I don't want taffy-pulling rubato, I don't want inhuman machine-like playing. I'm looking for historically-informed playing that truly comes alive, has emotion, bears repeated listening, and is well-recorded on a fine instrument in a good building. Is that all? No. I want inexpensive. Cutouts from Berkshire Records is what I'm thinking. I'd much rather spend $2-$6 per CD than $16-$20.   Here are some artists from the Berkshire roundup I thought looked interesting: Lagace, Genevieve Soly (new name [Canadian] to me--she plays the concerti), Rogg, Fagius, Radulescu (1 disc), Idenstam (1 disc). There are many others, several of whom I don't consider to be at their best in this literature.   I know Lagace was discussed quite favorably recently on a list. Was it = this one? Could you list your favorites, if possible, among his many offerings, or is everything of equal importance?   Thanks very much, Bob Lind      
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:37:13 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C2BE2D.8B1A0820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     Jim Clouser writes: I think you're already on the right track by having purchased several = =3D recordings from different performers for your collection. To think that = =3D a CD set of one performer with the complete Bach on them could do all of = =3D the different pieces justice is highly unlikely. I know artists who =3D refuse to record the complete Bach for that very reason. I would think = =3D that 20 years from now you'll probably feel obligated to listen to the =3D same recordings by the same performer with the same interpretations just = =3D because you made a huge investment in the set. Just an objective view. = =3D Good luck!   Dave responds: There's a lot to be said for that point of view. However, some of the = =3D more obscure and seldom-performed works of Bach can only be found in the = =3D complete sets. Or do you know something I don't know?     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C2BE2D.8B1A0820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2722.900" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in =3D 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3D3DEN-US vLink=3D3Dpurple link=3D3Dblue bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim Clouser writes:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I think you're already on the right = =3D track by=3D20 having purchased several recordings from different performers for your = =3D   collection.&nbsp; To think that a CD set of one performer with the =3D complete=3D20 Bach on them could do all of the different&nbsp;pieces justice =3D is&nbsp;highly=3D20 unlikely.&nbsp;&nbsp;I know artists who refuse to record the complete = =3D Bach for=3D20 that very reason.&nbsp; I would think that 20 years from =3D now&nbsp;you'll=3D20 probably </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>feel obligated to listen = =3D to the same=3D20 recordings by the same performer&nbsp;with the same =3D interpretations&nbsp;just=3D20 because you made a huge investment in the&nbsp;set. &nbsp;Just an =3D objective=3D20 view.&nbsp; Good luck!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dave responds:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There's a lot to be said for that = =3D point of=3D20 view.&nbsp; However, some of the more obscure and seldom-performed =3D works of=3D20 Bach can only be found in the complete sets.&nbsp; Or do you know =3D something I=3D20 don't know?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C2BE2D.8B1A0820--    
(back) Subject: Re: Mediocrity From: "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:53:40 -0500   Thank You, Thank You, Ron...............................................Well said.       ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: ""PipeChat"" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Mediocrity     > Hi Mark: > > Mediocrity has many meanings. If it means the creep > of pop music into church services, I'm with you. If > it means accessable service music to most players, > such as the Lorenz offerings and similar music, then > we part company. There is a definate place in a service > for well crafted, but easily acquired material. Recital > music as preludes and postludes will work only in big > churches, or where this sort of thing is encouraged. > I think appropriateness is a better word. People like > music that they can understand, or have become used to. > I don't think IMHO that it is mediocre to play appropriate > music even if it's easy, but I do think it may be > mediocre to play great music badly, just to say you > played something harder or out of reach of most others. > That borders on elitist leanings, which I always find > pretentious and silly. A church service is not a concert. > If it is a concert, then the thinking is mediocre, and > out of place. Service playing is totally different in > demands to a concert, and both have their place. To > mix the two, unless the venue warrents this kind of > musical treatment, is a mistake. Services are for > worshiping God, Concerts are for the edification, > education, and entertainment of the assembled. The > purposes are different. If you feel inclined to entertain > during a service, then IMHO you need to focus on giving > concerts, and forget about church work, because you have > lost the thought of the cause and the mission, worship! > There are great organists who can do both very well, > and keep the purposes separate. Felix Hell comes immediately > to mind. I use him as an example, because of his high > profile, and his mature taste. He enjoys playing either > very well, and keeps things in perspective. > > Is the music mediocre, or the thinking behind it? > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: "correct" registration From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:06:48 -0800   Um, this has been done before, either here or on piporg-l, but I believe the following points were made:   (1) German baroque organs HAD string stops. In fact, some of the surviving examples are so finely-voiced that you can ALMOST hear the bite of the bow against the strings.   (2) The celeste was known as early as the 16th century, at least in Italian organs, where it was called Voce umana. I'd have to dig out my notes on the Fiori musicali, but I wouldn't be at ALL surprised to find a registration direction that called for the Voce umana AND the tremulant.   (3) The swell box -- baroque Brustwerks were fitted with doors. I once saw Fenner Douglass, SURELY an organist whose professional credentials are in order (The Language of the French Classic Organ, Cavaille-Coll and the Musicians, etc.) effect a finely-crafted decrescendo at the end of a baroque chorale-prelude by reaching up whenever he had a free hand during the final phrase of the piece and gradually closing the Brustwerk doors on the Flentrop organ in Christ Episcopal Church, Oberlin, Ohio.   The Fox would be SO PLEASED that (YEARS after his death) he's STILL the subject of controversy (grin).   The first organ recital I ever attended was given by Virgil Fox ... it solidified my determination to become an organist.   In the intervening 50 years, I have helped install Flentrops, rescued 19th trackers, and lived to see the organs of E.M. Skinner, G. Donald Harrison, and others (Kimball, Kilgen, Aeolian, etc.) fall first OUT and then BACK INTO favor.   In my dotage (some would say) I take the view that whatever works for a particular piece, on a particular organ, for a particular situation, IS "correct registration."   My first organ teacher, Dr. Ramona Cruikshank Beard, had a CHARMING registration for Bach's "Nun freut euch":   RH - Swell 16 Lieblich, 4' Flute, coupled to the Great at 4', plus the Choir harp, also coupled to the Great at 4'   LH - Swell 16 Lieblich, 4' Flute, coupled to the Choir at 8', plus Choir Unison Off.   PED (c.f.) - Solo English Horn 8' coupled to the Pedal at 4', plus tremulant   The organ was a 4m E.M. Skinner in Opperman Hall, Florida State University (now incorporated into a larger organ in a Baptist church in Jacksonville, FL).   For THAT organ, that registration was well-nigh PERFECT.   Dr. Edwin Arthur Kraft, late organist of Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland, used to regularly call for Voix Celeste + Oboe + tremulant for the cantus firmus in a chorale-prelude. I never heard him, and the organ is now gone, but a former roommate who was one of his last students told me that the effect was quite lovely ON THAT ORGAN, IN THAT BUILDING, WITH DR. KRAFT DOING THE PLAYING.   Perhaps some of our objections to the use of the swell box in baroque music stems from the fact that the kinds of crescendos and decrescendos described by Schweitzer in his notes on Bach's organ works are virtually a lost art. The subtle management of the swell box was something that was TAUGHT and PRACTICED a generation ago (as was shading by means of hand-registration, WITHOUT the benefit of rows of pistons, "Next" buttons, and multiple combination memories).   For ALL their rules and regs and detailed directions, virtually every French organist who ever wrote a preface to his music ALWAYS adds a comment to the effect that "this may be the RIGHT way; this may be the way *I* do it; but the GOOD TASTE of the musician must ALWAYS prevail."   'Nuff said (grin).   Cheers,   Bud           Arie Vandenberg wrote: > > At 12:41 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > Greg: > > > > > > > > What s a registrational no-no? > > > > > > > > Charles > > > Hi, > > A Bach registrational no- no would be to use strings, especially > celestes with tremulants, and on top of that using the swell box. You > could say Virgil Fox committed many no-no's. > > Arie V.    
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:07:44 EST     --part1_6.7944ec6.2b59ae80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   use of LOUD chorus reeds-using pistons constantly, using the rieger 16-8-4 =   spanische trompette--he plays bach like its mendelssohn-also gratuitous = use of the heel and too legato.... greg   --part1_6.7944ec6.2b59ae80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>use of LOUD chorus = reeds-using pistons constantly, using the rieger 16-8-4 spanische = trompette--he plays bach like its mendelssohn-also gratuitous use of the = heel and too legato.... <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.7944ec6.2b59ae80_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:11:26 EST     --part1_119.1dc54d2f.2b59af5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   david schrader (chicago) is my fav..he has recorded the fantasies and = fugues and the toccatas and fugues. such fine playing and performance = practice-very slight rhythmic innovations etc...he is the finest i've ever met and heard...a true gentelman and performer. <A HREF=3D"www.davidschrader.com">david schrader</A>   greg   --part1_119.1dc54d2f.2b59af5e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>david schrader = (chicago) is my fav..he has recorded the fantasies and fugues and the = toccatas and fugues. &nbsp;such fine playing and performance practice-very = slight rhythmic innovations etc...he is the finest i've ever met and = heard...a true gentelman and performer. <BR><A HREF=3D"www.davidschrader.com">david schrader</A> <BR> <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_119.1dc54d2f.2b59af5e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Key West Organs From: "J.R. Daniels" <jrdssj@city-net.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:55:26 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2BE30.168640C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello All:   I will be in Key West, Florida at the end of February and am curious to = =3D know if there are any "noteworthy" pipe organs in the area (preferably =3D tracker or historic instruments).=3D20   I would appreciate it greatly if you would please e-mail me privately =3D with any information...   J.R. Daniels www.city-net.com/~jrdssj     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2BE30.168640C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello All:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I will be in Key West, Florida at the = =3D end of=3D20 February and am curious to know if there are any "noteworthy" pipe =3D organs in the=3D20 area (preferably tracker or historic instruments). </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I would appreciate it greatly if you = =3D would please=3D20 e-mail me privately with any information...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>J.R. Daniels</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.city-net.com/~jrdssj">www.city-net.com/~jrdssj</A></FO= =3D NT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2BE30.168640C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:17:29 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_19413885= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 02:07 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >use of LOUD chorus reeds-using pistons constantly, using the rieger = 16-8-4 >spanische trompette--he plays bach like its mendelssohn-also gratuitous >use of the heel and too legato.... >greg   Greg,   Who are you referring to?   Arie V. --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_19413885= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 02:07 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>use of LOUD = chorus reeds-using pistons constantly, using the rieger 16-8-4 spanische trompette--he plays bach like its mendelssohn-also gratuitous use of the heel and too legato.... <br> greg</font><font face=3D"arial"> </blockquote><br> Greg,<br> <br> Who are you referring to?<br> <br> Arie V.</font></html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_19413885= =3D=3D_.ALT--      
(back) Subject: Re: Who directs a funeral or wedding-non organic From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:56:48 +1300   Different customs for different countries   >As a funeral director/mortician/undertaker, whatever you want to call it, = I feel my job is to direct all the arrangements prior to and following the church service.   That doesn't happen here. However, as a minimum, I have a long phone call with the undertaker beforehand, and frequently a face-to-face discussion after I've seen the bereaved family. That's important to talk about things like a service sheet, who's playing the music and what it's to be, how = many pall bearers, whether there is to be a burial or a cremation, whether = either of these is public or family-only, whether or not the committal is in the church, at the door of the hearse (for an unaccompanied cremation, for example), or somewhere else like the graveside, how long we've got before the hearse leaves, procedure at the graveside or crematorium, and much = more.   At weddings here, I've never had a wedding coordinator, or whatever you might want to call such a person: the whole thing is between the family = and me.   As I say, different customs for different countries. Ross    
(back) Subject: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:27:10 -0800   Wasn't there just a discussion recently to the effect that it WAS possible to use heel-and-toe on the organs of Bach's time (at least some of them), and that evidence had surfaced to support at least the POSSIBILITY that Bach DID?   I won't argue for the wrongness or rightness of the use of loud chorus reeds in Bach, but go listen to some of the old Dupre records of Bach on C-C organs ... and also Langlais, of all people ... what did the reviewer say about the latter? "Total Gallic sincerity and musicality", or something like that.   Concerning legato: wasn't it Bach who CHAMPIONED the use of the thumb so that one COULD play legato? I'm not saying it's correct TO play legato in ALL cases, but the pursuit of constant (more-or-less) controlled detachee shouldn't mask an INABILITY to play legato (grin), as it sometimes does.   I don't find "Bach-as-if-it-was-Mendelssohn" offensive. After all, if it weren't FOR Mendelssohn, we probably wouldn't HAVE a lot of Bach's works TODAY.   Cheers,   Bud   Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > > use of LOUD chorus reeds-using pistons constantly, using the rieger > 16-8-4 spanische trompette--he plays bach like its mendelssohn-also > gratuitous use of the heel and too legato.... > greg