PipeChat Digest #3389 - Saturday, January 18, 2003
 
Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Complete Bach CD Set?
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho  (indeed!)
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:54:20 EST     --part1_9.7a0a995.2b5a622c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   there is no piece that bach wrote that requires use of the heel. sure, = use it a little if you want, but its not widor! end of discussion! we've done this before. greg   --part1_9.7a0a995.2b5a622c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>there is no piece that = bach wrote that requires use of the heel. &nbsp;sure, use it a little if = you want, but its not widor! <BR>end of discussion! &nbsp;we've done this before. <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9.7a0a995.2b5a622c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:55:49 EST     --part1_3c.2aa67eeb.2b5a6285_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   obscure works such as???   --part1_3c.2aa67eeb.2b5a6285_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>obscure works such = as???</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3c.2aa67eeb.2b5a6285_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:00:12 EST     --part1_172.15272466.2b5a638c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/17/2003 3:25:05 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I don't find "Bach-as-if-it-was-Mendelssohn" offensive. After all, if it > weren't FOR Mendelssohn, we probably wouldn't HAVE a lot of Bach's works > TODAY >   i read too you know....   the heck with it! do as you wish! play everything like a pianist-boaring =   and un-informed! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (i'm yelling)       --part1_172.15272466.2b5a638c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/17/2003 3:25:05 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I don't find = "Bach-as-if-it-was-Mendelssohn" offensive. After all, if it <BR>weren't FOR Mendelssohn, we probably wouldn't HAVE a lot of Bach's = works <BR>TODAY <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>i read too you know.... <BR> <BR>the heck with it! &nbsp;do as you wish! &nbsp;play everything like a = pianist-boaring and un-informed! &nbsp;!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <BR>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (i'm yelling) <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_172.15272466.2b5a638c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Complete Bach CD Set? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:01:03 EST     --part1_1a4.f7392e1.2b5a63bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   mr. hurford   --part1_1a4.f7392e1.2b5a63bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>mr. = hurford</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a4.f7392e1.2b5a63bf_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:48:58 -0800   In a message dated 1/17/2003 3:25:05 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     I don't find "Bach-as-if-it-was-Mendelssohn" offensive. After all, if it weren't FOR Mendelssohn, we probably wouldn't HAVE a lot of Bach's works TODAY       i read too you know....   the heck with it! do as you wish! play everything like a pianist-boaring and un-informed! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (i'm yelling)   How old are you, Greg? I'm 58 years old and 50 years a working professional organist. I have a degree from a recognized conservatory of music, and a string of scholarly achievements as long as your arm.   I find your comments puerile and offensive in the extreme. You have never heard me play the organ; likely you never WILL; you have no idea what school of interpretation I follow.   Had you the wit to GRASP it, the point I was MAKING was that a romantic approach to Bach is no less musical (and in a number of instances a good deal more PALATABLE) than some of the extremes of rigid "neo-baroque" interpretation (AND organ-building) which prevailed when I was an undergraduate.   Enough is indeed enough.   Raymond H. Clark    
(back) Subject: Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:42:37 -0800   Um, Greg, I find it wise not to make doctrinaire end-the-discussion pronouncements without citing authoritative sources to back up such pronouncements.   Cheers,   Bud Clark   Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > > there is no piece that bach wrote that requires use of the heel. > sure, use it a little if you want, but its not widor! > end of discussion! we've done this before. > greg    
(back) Subject: Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:44:43 +1300   Friends,   To be honest, I've never found that a note played with the toe sounds any different from one played with the heel. Further research has shown me = that this lack-of-difference applies to electro-pneumatic, direct-electric and pneumatic actions (both exhaust and pressure) as well as tracker actions.   In other words, use any part of your body to play any note you damn well please, as long as the musical result is worth listening to.   Ross there is no piece that bach wrote that requires use of the heel. sure, use it a little if you want, but its not widor!      
(back) Subject: Re: heel-and-toe, yo ho ho (indeed!) From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:48:52 +1300   >Had you the wit to GRASP it, the point I was MAKING was that a romantic approach to Bach is no less musical (and in a number of instances a good deal more PALATABLE) than some of the extremes of rigid "neo-baroque" interpretation (AND organ-building) which prevailed when I was an undergraduate.   To quote the Scots song, sort-of relevantly -   Step we gaily, on we go, heel for heel and toe for toe, arm in arm and row on row, all for Marie's wedding.   Not a bad tune, either......... Ross