PipeChat Digest #3394 - Tuesday, January 21, 2003
 
Re: Early Spanish Music
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Twice is enough
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: Twice is enough
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Early Spanish Music
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Trouble with Holtkamp
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Adults as delinquents
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
British mediocrity
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Early Spanish Music
  by "Joe Karashani" <jtkarash@coppernet.zm>
Re: British mediocrity
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Gamble hinge tape
  by "Chapman Gonz=E1lez" <chapmanp@comcast.net>
Re: Gamble hinge tape
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Early Spanish Music From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:25:43 -0500   Actually, a rhumba should have a pattern over two bars (accents on eighth notes 1 4 8 3 5). Accents on 1 4 7 is clave simple- about the most basic Latin rhythm around. It looks like it's been around for quite a while!   Paul   >On 1/19/03 7:59 AM, "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> wrote: > >> 4/4 bars are broken up as 3+3+2 > >Paul, is that, then, the origin of the rhumba? Or vice versa? > >Alan > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: Twice is enough From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:56:29 -0600   Many thianks for the cards, emails, phone calls, etc. from the wonderfulmembers of this list during my recent illness. I am finally home after two different stays in the ICU.... seems that certains drugs just do not like each ofther. Looking for to more great pipe chat!   Sand Lawn    
(back) Subject: Re: Twice is enough From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:18:21 -0600   A warm welcome back, Sand!   I'm certain I'm not the only one that is truly pleased and grateful to = hear of your continued healing!   Now, you better take good care of yourself during recovery -- we all want you to be around here for a GOOD LONG TIME.....!   Fondly,   Tim Bovard PC Co-Administrator   At 12:56 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Many thianks for the cards, emails, phone calls, etc. from the >wonderfulmembers of this list during my recent illness. I am finally = home >after two different stays in the ICU.... seems that certains drugs just = do >not like each ofther. Looking for to more great pipe chat! > >Sand Lawn    
(back) Subject: Re: Early Spanish Music From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:15:09 -0500   I don't know, Paul. http://www.geocities.com/musicalhelp/performing/notation/rhumba.htm   Hmmm. Alan   On 1/20/03 7:25 AM, "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> wrote:   > Actually, a rhumba should have a pattern over two bars (accents on = eighth > notes 1 4 8 3 5). Accents on 1 4 7 is clave simple- about the most basic > Latin rhythm around. It looks like it's been around for quite a while! > > Paul > >> On 1/19/03 7:59 AM, "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> wrote: >> >>> 4/4 bars are broken up as 3+3+2 >> >> Paul, is that, then, the origin of the rhumba? Or vice versa? >> >> Alan >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Trouble with Holtkamp From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:13:30 EST   Speak to the builder. Is the instrument still under warrantee? Even if = it is not, the circuitry may have a longer warrantee, and your regular = curator may be able to rectify the problem after a talk with the supplier of the circuitry. SMG  
(back) Subject: Adults as delinquents From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:08:58 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Ron Severin's mention of the late, lamented Sir George Thalben-Ball triggered the memory of a delightful story told to me by a London organist. I have never been able to verify the truth of it from any other source, but is worth telling.   In the days when Eric Thiman was organist of the City Temple (Congregationalist) and Thalben-Ball was at the Temple Church, it transpired that Thalben-Ball was invited specially to play for a wedding at the City Temple; much to the annoyance of Thiman, who regarded himself more than capable.   Quite a substantial 4-manual Walker organ awaited Sir George Thalben-Ball, with lots and lots of pistons. Eric Thiman, obviously wishing to assist Thalben-Ball, reset all the pistons to blanks! (Save for the reversibles). With a wicked smile, he commented, "That should upset Tatty Balls!"   Arriving at the 11th hour, Thalben-Ball rushed to the organ, and noted immediately that the pistons did nothing whatsoever. Completely non-plussed, Thalben-Ball hand registered everything very successfully.   As this was in the days of setter boards, this would mean that the boards would either be inside the instrument or, more probably, hidden behind the music desk. In any event, as the wedding service progressed, Thalben-Ball wrenched open the setter boards and started to set up the pistons......in reverse!   Thus, no.1 blew the roof off, and no.10 was a barely audible whisper.   Apparently, Thalben-Ball just left a note for Thiman, which said, "I hope my piston settings will bring a big improvement to your organ masterpieces!"   I guess he didn't think much of Thiman's compositions any more than the rest of us!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: British mediocrity From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:47:40 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I'm still struggling to catch up on the gossip, so my reply to Paul Emmons' comments is a bit belated.   It's interesting that Paul should mention Howells, Leighton and Mathias....I don't rate any of them!   I don't rate the Elgar Sonata, because there is much of it which is far too orchestral in texture for it to work as organ music.   Purcell didn't seem to write anything particularly notable for the organ.   Handel did, but you need a resident band.   Thiman wrote the most appalling rubbish, as did so many between about 1900 and 1940.   Good British organ music?   Well.....certainly Stanford (Irish actually), Bridge, Bairstow, Norman Cocker (of Tuba Tune fame), Simon Preston (Alleluyas) and Francis Jackson (the excellent "Diversion for Mixtures" of considerable difficulty, the fine "Toccata, Choral and Fuge" and the ever lovely "Impromptu" written for Sir Edward Bairstow, to mention just a few of his works.   Alfred Hollins and Percy Whitlock never fail to delight!   Great organ music?   Almost certainly, the greatest work is the "Introduction, Passacaglia and Fugue" by Healey Willan, performed to perfection by Dr Francis Jackson at York Minster, on the old EMI-Great Cathedral Organs series, vinyl recording. (They were close friends)   I am sure that there are many, many other worthy works, and I seem to have heard a fine Sonata (or something) by Berkley....but memory fails me.   I also know of a truly outstanding, but sadly unpublished Trumpet Tune, by the current organist of Halifax Parish Church, Philip Tordoff.   For those who may wish to pursue the big Bairstow works, there is no finer recording than that made by Dr Jackson at York........he was closely connected with Bairstow and studied with him.   Now a question, where did Peter Racine Fricker hail from? If he was English, then he wrote a strange, but rather haunting "Pastoral".   Finally, how many people know the organ works of Glasunov? We don't normally associate Russia with organ music, but these are quite fine (early?) works which deserve to be better known.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > But, then, who composes in England today to compare > with Howells, Leighton, > and Mathias? >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Early Spanish Music From: "Joe Karashani" <jtkarash@coppernet.zm> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:19:16 +0200     I have the following volume: *Early Spanish Organ Music*, edited by Joseph Muset, Organist of the Cathedral of Barcelona and Professor of Organ at the Barcelona Conservatory; Schirmer, New York, 1948 (#41526). There may well be a later edition.   Contents: Antonio de Cabezon (1510-1566) - - - - - Dic Nobis, Maria Pedro de Soto (16th Century) - - - - - - - - Tiento de Sexto Tono Tomas de Santa Maria (15..-1570) - - - - Paso Suelto Pere Alberch Vila (1517-1582) - - - - - - - Tiento Francisco Peraza (1564-1598) - - - - - - - Medio Registro Alto de Primer Tono Sebastian Aguilera de Heredia (1570-16..) - - Tiento de Falsas de Cuarto Tono Franciso Fernandez Palero (16th Century) - - Versillo de Octavo Tono Diego de Torrijos (1640-1691) - - - - - - - - Tres Versillos de Primer = Tono Candido Eznarriaga (17th Century) - - - - Tres Versillos de Segundo Tono Joan Cabanilles (1644-1712) - - - - - - - - - Tocata en Do Major de Ma Esquerra Miquel Lopez (1669-1723) - - - - - - - - - - - Verset de Octau To Joan Moreno (16..-1776) - - - - - - - - - - - - Dos Versillos de Segundo Tono Gabriel Menalt (d. 1687) - - - - - - - - - - - - Tiento de Primer To Joseph Elias (1675-1749) - - - - - - - - - - - Preludi (Andante-Allegro) Pau Bruna (17th Century) - - - - - - - - - - - Tiento de Falses de Sise = To Francesc Llusa (17th-18th Century) - - - - Tres Versets de Segon To Joaquin Oxinagas (18th Century) - - - - - - Fuga en Sol Menor Anselm Viola (1739-1798) - - - - - - - - - - - Sonatina en Fa Menor Narcis Casanovas (1747-1799) - - - - - - - Paso en Do Major   Sorry for any misspellings and the omission of umlauts. The editor admits that the pieces were originally 2-stave, but states in his preface: "... I hesitated a long time before determining to write in pedal parts. Obviously, it would have been truer to the originals to copy and play them without pedal. Nevertheless, there is justification in this case for renouncing *purism* in favor of practicality. No doubt if Cabezon, Cabanilles, or Aguilera de Heredia were now alive, they, too, would use the modern pedal. Furthermore, one cannot wish to be more puristic than Guilmant or Bonnet, whose integrity as regards transcriptions is recognized by everyone. The happy medium has been sought -- neither too much pedal nor too little." Plenty of heels and toes (grin).   Joe Karashani Cathedral of the Holy Cross Lusaka, Zambia   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Early Spanish Music     > Hello All! > Could anyone reccomend some specific volumes I could purchase in order > to get a good selection of Early Spanish Music and the like by such > composers as Cabezon, Cabanilles, Correa, etc? Volumes with multiple > composers would be good as well as specific volumes within complete > works sets.    
(back) Subject: Re: British mediocrity From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:54:55 -0600   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Now a question, where did Peter Racine Fricker hail > from? If he was English, then he wrote a strange, but > rather haunting "Pastoral".   Orginally born in London in 1920, he was educated at the Royal College of Music and was for some years Director of Music at Morley College, before moving to the University of California in 1964. Whether he subsequently took American citizenship I don't know. So he is either British or American.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Gamble hinge tape From: "Chapman Gonz=E1lez" <chapmanp@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:31:58 -0500   Dear List, This is a little off-subject, but I know many of you organists have used Gamble Hinge tape on your organ and/or choral music. I just called = to reorder some and was told that they no longer carry it. For those of us = who have used it for years, its hard to believe that its no longer available.   Has anyone found a substitute? What are you using to rebind worn = music? Any help will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks, Chapman in Baltimore      
(back) Subject: Re: Gamble hinge tape From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:06:34 -0800   Kinko's has an industrial-strength hydraulic paper-cutter ... they can cut just enough off the left-hand edge of a book to slice through the signatures to separate the pages (Gamble's used to do the same thing); then they can either comb-bind it or spiral-bind it. Not as good as Gambleizing, but it's the best thing I've found.   *I* was shocked when Gamble's stopped offering the SERVICE (grin), much less that they've now stopped selling the TAPE (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Chapman Gonz=E1lez wrote: >=20 > Dear List, > This is a little off-subject, but I know many of you organists hav= e > used Gamble Hinge tape on your organ and/or choral music. I just calle= d to > reorder some and was told that they no longer carry it. For those of u= s who > have used it for years, its hard to believe that its no longer availabl= e. >=20 > Has anyone found a substitute? What are you using to rebind worn m= usic? > Any help will be greatly appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, > Chapman in Baltimore >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org