PipeChat Digest #3400 - Saturday, January 25, 2003
 
funeral fees
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: funeral fees
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: funeral fees
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Contemporary organ music
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Organist fees
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
funeral fees
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Tritle, Latry, Escaich in March !
  by "Christine Hoffman" <ch.hoffman@verizon.net>
Re: Contemporary organ music
  by "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org>
Re: Organ Tours - Czech Republic
  by <Gardum@aol.com>
Re: funeral fees
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Organists Fees
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
RE: Organ Tours - Czech Republic
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: funeral fees From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:04:35 -0800   This isn't meant to criticise those who DO charge for funerals, particularly if you're PART-time ... in that case, the stipend should reflect the amount of work, and also the expertise required, AND the fact that often times it requires taking off from one's "day job."   I discovered during my sojourn in Texas that I might as well go ahead and bill the funeral home for my services, since THEY billed the FAMILY in any case. That's the first time I've come across THAT.   I don't think there should be ANY fees for the funerals of parishioners, period ... not for the priest, not for the organist, not for the sexton .... nothing. I'm full-time at St. Matthew's; I'm FAR from wealthy. But if I GET an envelope for a funeral, I turn around and give it to the Altar Guild for the Vestment Fund.   Here's my point: unlike weddings, EVERYBODY'S gotta die SOMETIME. Since we only bury parishioners and parishioners' families, those folks have supported the Church for many years. In our case, they've also just built a $5 million building. I wouldn't have the STONES to charge 'em anything.   ALL our funerals are Solemn High Masses with chanted Burial Office, Absolutions, and Committal Service ... if the burial is at the cemetery around the corner, the choir goes to the grave as well. So it's a fair amount of work ... or at least it was in the beginning to get it established. Now we just have to run through whatever Psalms are chosen for the Burial Office. But it's a good hour's worth of singing, plus going to the cemetery most of the time.   The choir does it for nothing; *I* do it for nothing. I'm a full-time professional organist/choirmaster, but I'm also an old-fashioned anglo-catholic churchman ... nobody should be buried without having a Mass sung for them.   Just my opinion ...   Weddings are a different story ... I just raised my wedding fee to $200-$500, depending on what's required. I totally agree that in comparison to the cost of flowers, dresses, reception, band, etc., we've been GIVING it away for FAR too long.   For $200 they get ME, for the wedding rehearsal and the service; for $500, they get singers, string quartet, or whatever else extra is wanted, the necessary rehearsal(s), time spent scoring the music, etc. etc. etc. ... organist + soloist falls somewhere in the middle.   The church charges a flat fee of $1,300 for Altar Guild (that includes the flowers for the altar, the only decoration we permit aside from pew bouquets), sexton, wedding facilitator (supplied by the CHURCH), printing of liturgy booklets in color on nice paper, etc., all of which is subject to the rector's discretion in cases of need; then he waives part or all of the fee, including mine (I get paid out of the Discretionary Fund in those instances, but it's only happened once in six years ... a young refugee couple ... the choir and I did the music; St. Mary's Guild pitched in and put on the reception ... didn't cost them a dime.)   But it should be noted that I DO work in one of the wealthiest cities in the country ... Newport Beach CA (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: funeral fees From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:04:13 -0000   $200 for just playing a wedding!! *dreams* that's what - =A3130 ish?! *dreams more*...       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: 24 January 2003 22:05 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: funeral fees   This isn't meant to criticise those who DO charge for funerals, particularly if you're PART-time ... in that case, the stipend should reflect the amount of work, and also the expertise required, AND the fact that often times it requires taking off from one's "day job."   I discovered during my sojourn in Texas that I might as well go ahead and bill the funeral home for my services, since THEY billed the FAMILY in any case. That's the first time I've come across THAT.   I don't think there should be ANY fees for the funerals of parishioners, period ... not for the priest, not for the organist, not for the sexton .... nothing. I'm full-time at St. Matthew's; I'm FAR from wealthy. But if I GET an envelope for a funeral, I turn around and give it to the Altar Guild for the Vestment Fund.   Here's my point: unlike weddings, EVERYBODY'S gotta die SOMETIME. Since we only bury parishioners and parishioners' families, those folks have supported the Church for many years. In our case, they've also just built a $5 million building. I wouldn't have the STONES to charge 'em anything.   ALL our funerals are Solemn High Masses with chanted Burial Office, Absolutions, and Committal Service ... if the burial is at the cemetery around the corner, the choir goes to the grave as well. So it's a fair amount of work ... or at least it was in the beginning to get it established. Now we just have to run through whatever Psalms are chosen for the Burial Office. But it's a good hour's worth of singing, plus going to the cemetery most of the time.   The choir does it for nothing; *I* do it for nothing. I'm a full-time professional organist/choirmaster, but I'm also an old-fashioned anglo-catholic churchman ... nobody should be buried without having a Mass sung for them.   Just my opinion ...   Weddings are a different story ... I just raised my wedding fee to $200-$500, depending on what's required. I totally agree that in comparison to the cost of flowers, dresses, reception, band, etc., we've been GIVING it away for FAR too long.=20   For $200 they get ME, for the wedding rehearsal and the service; for $500, they get singers, string quartet, or whatever else extra is wanted, the necessary rehearsal(s), time spent scoring the music, etc. etc. etc. ... organist + soloist falls somewhere in the middle.=20   The church charges a flat fee of $1,300 for Altar Guild (that includes the flowers for the altar, the only decoration we permit aside from pew bouquets), sexton, wedding facilitator (supplied by the CHURCH), printing of liturgy booklets in color on nice paper, etc., all of which is subject to the rector's discretion in cases of need; then he waives part or all of the fee, including mine (I get paid out of the Discretionary Fund in those instances, but it's only happened once in six years ... a young refugee couple ... the choir and I did the music; St. Mary's Guild pitched in and put on the reception ... didn't cost them a dime.)   But it should be noted that I DO work in one of the wealthiest cities in the country ... Newport Beach CA (grin).   Cheers,   Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: funeral fees From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:32:38 -0500   My policy is also that I will not charge for members of the church, and = recently did one for a mother of a member of the church for no fee also. = I figure if I'm available, and I have the ability to do it, may as well. = The reason I don't charge is because frankly I don't need the money that = bad, and, no offense to any funeral directors on the list, but those = prices are so high that I don't really need to take any more money from = the family.   I recently negotiated with the church to go to a salary payment rather = than being paid by the service, and when putting together the "contract", = they asked if funerals were included in with the salary, or seperate. I = said don't even worry about it at all. Anything that is given goes to the = new building fund. Non-church members might be an issue later, but has = never come up. I'll cross that bridge if it ever happens.   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:52:17 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Being organist in a fairly poor parish, I tend not to charge the full going rate for weddings and funerals.   However, the figures you mention are certainly in line with current levels of remuneration in the UK.   I have actually received double that figure for "up market" weddings, playing as a stand-in for the regular organist.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- EchoGamba@aol.com wrote: > Hello, >   I was receiving, in 2002, =A325 > for a funeral and =A335 for a > wedding, which I considered to be 'well paid'. This > has now been raised to > =A335 and =A345. Considering I have 60+ weddings booked > this year I am quite > pleased, but this seems to be a lot more than any > other organist receives in > my local area. (North East - UK) > > Can any other UK organist tell me if this sounds > about right?? >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Contemporary organ music From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:51:39 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   In recent postings, we have given thought to "mediocrity".....seemingly a pan-global problem if the lack of "serious" contemporary organ music is considered. By serious, I am perhaps thinking of "mainstream" musical language rather than pastiche or retro-style concepts.   So much contemporary organ music seems to be little more than a tonal mess for the sake of it.   When I was in my 20's, I recall a sense of some excitement. At the time, we had names such as Messaien, Durufle, Peeters (whom I once met!), Langlais, Ropek (whom I also once met!), Francis Jackson etc etc.   Now I gaze out at a cultural desert!   Of course, there are minor composers (nothing wrong with that) and certain interesting things coming out of Scandanavia and the Netherlands, but the big-hitters almost seem to have dried up.   It cannot simply be a matter of money and artistic patronage.....some church musicians are professionals and relatively well paid. There are large numbers of talented, retired organists who have the time to compose.   Is it the publishers fighting shy of investing money in new organ music?   Is it the lack of a coherent musical direction as 12-tone or atonal experiments fail to interest people?   I constantly ask myself what the next musical direction might be, and whether organ music could benefit from a new musical language.   Was Hindemith on the brink of creating a working musical idiom which suited the organ?   Am I alone in getting heartily fed up of a constant diet of canned Mozart and Vivaldi on the radio, or the total dominance of orchestral "pops" at the expense of organ, harpsichord or consort music?   In fact, is demand being created by unimaginative producers and broadcasters, where "ratings" count for everything?   But of course, "ratings" are worthless, if the diet of broadcast and published music attempts to follow what Mr Average "rates" in the first place......it is a self-seeking road to musical and artistic ruin.   If there is a crumb of comfort, it comes from the film industry, where composers of quality of surprise us with innovative film-scores which then....and only then....enter into the "ratings" when the films are released. (Here, I am thinking John Williams and ET, Schindler's List etc etc......also the superb scoring for "Harry Potter")   At the less popular end, we have a composer of the calibre of Edward Gregson, who has written some marvellous music. I remember being utterly thrilled by his "Connotations for Brass" when I heard the premiere performance at the Albert Hall, London. Why doesn't a composer of such ability write organ music?   So many questions, but no answers I'm afraid.   Where are we heading? Does anyone know?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK               __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:55:23 EST     --part1_bf.2d3324d5.2b63488b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I get $100 for funerals. We have an agreement that the pastor will not = ask this fee of "needy" families, but the church will pay me for those = services.   Neil Brown Frozen Tundra of New Jersey   --part1_bf.2d3324d5.2b63488b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I get $100 for funerals.&nbsp; We have an = agreement that the pastor will not ask this fee of "needy" families, but = the church will pay me for those services.<BR> <BR> Neil Brown<BR> Frozen Tundra of New Jersey</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bf.2d3324d5.2b63488b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:05:18 EST     --part1_149.884bc93.2b634ade_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The funeral homes here pay the organists, and it is included in the = "package" bought by the family. The going rate here is $30. But I would still = rather play for a funeral than a wedding. Lee   --part1_149.884bc93.2b634ade_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#400040" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">The funeral homes here pay = the organists, and it is included in the "package" bought by the = family.&nbsp; The going rate here is $30.&nbsp; But I would still rather = play for a funeral than a wedding.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_149.884bc93.2b634ade_boundary--  
(back) Subject: funeral fees From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:06:53 -0600   HI list, I live in a small village in Illinois and play for the local funeral home. I get to play on an ancient Hammond and receive $40.00 for doing so. As part of my payment, I also get to house my 1959 Lincoln Continental Mark 4 in the garages there at the funeral home too for essentially no money out of my pocket. Only in a small town. lol Bye = for now. Gary      
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:31:19 -0500   On 1/24/03 3:37 PM, "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu> wrote:   > Any thoughts?   Margarete: A huge number of Lutheran churches charge $x for various = things. The congregation should bill the bridal couple $100 or so for an ordinary wedding, and give you a check for your services (at the service, whether they've collected from the family or not). You should not have to "bill" people, or haggle over the price. If you do a super job, the best man = might well drop an envelope on your bench--but that's "extra."   Alan Freed, retired ELCA pastor Saint Luke's Church, Manhattan    
(back) Subject: Tritle, Latry, Escaich in March ! From: "Christine Hoffman" <ch.hoffman@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:50:33 -0500   March is definitely Organ Month at St. Ignatius Loyola in New York City. On Sunday, March 2nd, at 4:00 p.m., Kent Tritle will give his annual organ recital. Kent is Director of Music Ministries at St. Ignatius, Music Director of The Dessoff Choirs, and Organist of both The New York Philharmonic and The American Symphony Orchestra.   Olivier Latry, Organist at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, will be the guest recitalist on Sunday, March 16th, also at 4:00 p.m.   Thierry Escaich, Organist of St. Etienne-du-Mont in Paris will give the third March recital on Friday evening, March 21st at 8:00 p.m.   Latry and Escaich are appearing at St. Ignatius as part of Sounds French!, a week-long celebration of French music produced in collaboration with the Cultural Services of the French Embassy. On Wednesday the 19th at 8:00 p.m., Escaich's Organ Concerto will be given its U.S. premiere by Olivier Latry, Kent Tritle conducting the Orchestra of St. Ignatius Loyola. Also on that program are Messiaen's Trois Petite Liturgies de la Presence Divine and Durufle's Messe Cum Jubilo featuring the Choir of St. Ignatius Loyola.   For more information on these concerts, including online ticket ordering, visit www.saintignatiusloyola.org, or buy tickets by phone at (212) 288-2520.   -Christine Hoffman Music Administrator Church of St. Ignatius Loyola music@saintignatiusloyola.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Contemporary organ music From: "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:34:02 -0600   At 12:51 AM 1/25/03 +0000, you wrote: >So much contemporary organ music seems to be little >more than a tonal mess for the sake of it.   I resisted writing, but failed <g>   part of the reason that music is mediocre [if it is indeed mediocre] has to do with the almighty power of the one universal value of this age - tollerance and the one unforgiveable sin of this age - prejudice   without a real set of values, on what can you base aesthetics, without aesthetics, the things that are noticed are the things that are = novel and novelty is a value that lasts like fame, for about 15 minutes.   there was a time, when you could give me a wine, and I could spend 10 minutes talking about its virtues and faults and perhaps about its origins, it was something I was taught I learned it well, and enjoyed wine tasting and wine making   there was a time, when I had hoped to be a conductor and listened to every recording I could get my hand on and listened while reading the score I had strong opinions about who had done great jobs and who had done average jobs and who had really missed it, and where they went wrong perhaps I could have been a music critic, but there was a funny thing because many of my friends really didn't want to think about the performance or to evaluate the performance, I think they were chiefly interested into escaping into the performance they were often the ones who would reply - and just who are you to judge?   time passed, and I returned to composing, I didn't like the atonal things I often heard I didn't like the music written as mathematics it was certainly beautiful mathematics, it just didn't do anything for my ears, or my spirit and so you can have the oppertunity to try some of what I write I'll make one piece available for download, for anyone who cares to give = it a try it is my arrangement of the fine lutheran chorale Kyrie, Gott Vater in Ewigkeit it would probably be something you could make use of in Lent you can download the pdf file at   http://www.onjordansbanks.com/rjo006.pdf   it will be available till the end of the month [after which you can order it for $3.00] I think it is good, <g> and it is contempoary     I know there is alot of other good stuff out there I've seen many "unknown" composers with fine stuff, and all they want is someone to publish it publishers want someone with name recognition as that sells music so as they say, that's my 2 cents. <g>       Regards, Richard Jordan   http://www.Lutheran-Hymnal.com http://www.OnJordansBanks.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Tours - Czech Republic From: <Gardum@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:23:15 EST     --part1_19e.fdb56bb.2b636b33_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   "Czech out" this unique Organum hydraulicum tour of organs in Southern Bohemia which has been held for nine summers. Participants travel to locations along the "Moldau River" by hiking, biking, river rafting or the =   normal bus routes. I happened upon the website by accident.....but sounds ever so different = for those adventuresome souls among us. No word yet of tour for 2003. There = is an English translation.   http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/mesto/soucas/i_orghyd.htm   Gene Mudra   --part1_19e.fdb56bb.2b636b33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Czech out" &nbsp;this = unique &nbsp;<B>Organum hydraulicum </B>&nbsp;tour of organs in Southern = Bohemia which has been held &nbsp;for nine summers. &nbsp;Participants = travel to locations along the "Moldau River" by hiking, biking, river = rafting or the normal bus routes. <BR>I happened upon the website by accident.....but sounds ever so = different for those adventuresome souls among us. &nbsp;No word yet of = tour for 2003. &nbsp;There is an English translation. <BR> <BR>http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/mesto/soucas/i_orghyd.htm <BR> <BR>Gene Mudra</FONT></HTML>   --part1_19e.fdb56bb.2b636b33_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: funeral fees From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:33:49 -0600   A fine example of how inadequate salaries for highly trained musicians are forced to make due with what we have. In Gary's case, still having to keep his first new car from oh so many = years ago ! ........ :-)     ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Black <gblack@ocslink.com>   As part of my payment, I also get to house my 1959 Lincoln > Continental Mark 4 in the garages there at the funeral home too for > essentially no money out of my pocket.    
(back) Subject: Organists Fees From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:15:56 EST     --part1_188.14d5afd9.2b63778c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   in South Jersey vary widely for weddings and funerals in RC churches. = Some pastors want to limit or control the fees charged to "their parishioners" = by organists. Funeral Directors are told by the church office, in my area of =   Burlington, NJ what the fee is. It runs from $50 in my church to $75 for = a Mass at a nearby church. The funeral director writes the check to the organist out of his charge to the family to the funeral. Weddings are another matter. I have charged $75 or $90 depending on = whether a lengthy rehearsal is required separate from the wedding day; otherwise, a singer can get there an hour early, run thru the songs and we can make the =   usual adjustment of the key it is printed in, since that is not often the =   key he/she sings it in. I am cheap. Others are charging $125 for no fuss =   and $150 if a rehearsal is requested. My funeral fee is going up to $75 next month since I do sing some parts of =   the service myself and accompany a Bereavement Choir for the rest of the singing. I had some reservations about higher fees for funerals but none = for raising fees for wedding when I see 6 - 8 Brides Maids, a floral spread covering the altar area, and the biggest stretch limos outside, a Bagpiper =   parading up and down, before and after, three photographers wanting to = move me and the organ out of their way in the loft to get center stage, and = last week I had to "share that stage" with a string trio, each player getting twice as much as I for playing 1/2 as much. No hesitation by the bridal party on paying any of the above costs, = except for the organist. Amazing.   --part1_188.14d5afd9.2b63778c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0">in South Jersey vary widely for weddings = and funerals in RC churches.&nbsp; Some pastors want to limit or control = the fees charged to "their parishioners" by organists.&nbsp; Funeral = Directors are told by the church office, in my area of Burlington, NJ what = the fee is.&nbsp; It runs from $50 in my church to $75 for a Mass at a = nearby church. The funeral director writes the check to the organist out = of his charge to the family to the funeral.<BR> Weddings are another matter. I have charged $75 or $90 depending on = whether a lengthy rehearsal is required separate from the wedding day; = otherwise, a singer can get there an hour early, run thru the songs and we = can make the usual adjustment of the key it is printed in, since that is = not often&nbsp; the key he/she sings it in.&nbsp; I am cheap.&nbsp; Others = are charging $125 for no fuss and $150 if a rehearsal is requested.&nbsp; = <BR> My funeral fee is going up to $75 next month since I do sing some parts of = the service myself and accompany a Bereavement Choir for the rest of the = singing.&nbsp; I had some reservations about higher fees for funerals but = none for raising&nbsp; fees for wedding when I see 6 - 8 Brides Maids, a = floral spread covering the altar area, and the biggest stretch limos = outside, a Bagpiper parading up and down, before and after, three = photographers wanting to move me and the organ out of their way in the = loft to get center stage, and last week I had to "share that stage" with a = string trio, each player getting twice as much as I for playing 1/2 as = much.<BR> No hesitation by the bridal party&nbsp; on paying any of the above costs, = except for the organist.&nbsp; Amazing.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_188.14d5afd9.2b63778c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Tours - Czech Republic From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:19:12 -0000   Dear list,   I'm taking 38 girls from the school where I teach on a short concert tour to Prague at the end of February and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the organs in the city? As we are doing concerts in two of the churches (I can't remember which - stuff's at school - not very helpful I know!) I might get the chance to play something - but as space in the coach will be at a premium, what sort of music should I take?   Steve Canterbury UK