PipeChat Digest #3410 - Wednesday, January 29, 2003
 
Re: Anglican hymnals
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Kalendars, Kings, Sealing Wax, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Ok, what exactly are you all doing...
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Anglican hymnals
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Anglican hymnals
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
young recitalists
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Ok, what exactly are you all doing...
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:44:19 +1300   Bud, I have all those you mention but the Songs of Syon, which I've never seen here. You don't like Ancient & Modern Revised, i.e. not the blue Standard one??   The English Hymnal is indeed a very fine book of its kind, butI know of = only one church in NZ that uses it - and that is our most Anglo-Catholic parish by a long way, and they also supplement it with other stuff.   Do you like the new version of A*M - Common Praise?   Here, we tend to feel that denominational, or indeed any, hymnbooks will shortly be a thing of the past, as they are not only frightfully expensive but we think not one book has all the stuff you want in it, and there is often a plethora of stuff you'd never, ever, use.   In spite of that, and my hymnbook collection of some 950 or so, I'd still buy more books if I could find the cash. (Laugh at me, someone should). -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Anglican hymnals     >Um ... no comment (grin). > >The 1933 revised edition of The English Hymnal is the standard by which >all others are judged. RVW was the musical editor. The original edition >was 1906. > >Other standard Anglican hymnals are: > >Hymns Ancient and Modern - try to get the old A & M Standard Edition ... >I think it's still available. If not, it turns up on used book sites >from time to time. > >The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 - may be out of print ... check with your >local Episcopal Church, which I believe is St. Peter's ... the organist >used to style himself "Organist of St. Peter's in ROME" (grin). > >The Episcopal Hymnal 1916 is also a fine book ... it turns up fairly >regularly on used book sites. In some ways, better than the Hymnal 1940, >particularly for service-music. > >FORGET the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 ... not worth the paper it's printed >on, not unlike the new Lutheran books (grin). > >Songs of Syon was a favorite for choral foundations and collegiate >chapels in England ... a fine book, long out of print, but I've found >full music editions from time to time on used book sites. > >I have heard good things about the new Irish Church Hymnal, but I >haven't seen one yet. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > > >Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: >> >> I just received the CD "O For A Thousand Tongues" from the OHS catalog from Grace Episcopal in Charleston, SC and I can't stop listening to it. = I keep finding myself backing up to "Christ Is Made The Sure Foundation" = with the tune Westminster Abbey (which, by the way, is NOT the tune used in any of the Lutheran Hymnals yet - they HAVE made it the tune for the upcoming hymnal.) >> >> SO I decided that I would like to purchase an Episcopal or Anglican hymnal. Not knowing what any of the names are, I just searched on = Anglican Hymnal on the Barnes and Nobles website. One entry is the "English Hymnal With Tunes: 1933" - underneath was the following: >> >> People who bought this book also bought: >> 2003 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Wall Calendar >> 2003 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Boxed Calendar >> 2003 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Large Wall Calendar >> 2003 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Engagement Calendar >> 2003 Playboy Lingerie Wall Calendar Time Warner Publishing >> >> We apparently are a much wilder bucnh than we thought... or you = Anglicans aren't as "uptight" as we perceived... haha >> >> By the way, can someone recommend a good Episcopal/Anglican hymnal with good tunes included (the equivalent of the Lutheran Hymnal, aka "the old one") >> >> Justin Karch >> Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS >> Rome, GA >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Kalendars, Kings, Sealing Wax, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:36:56 -0800   Um .. an Ordo Kalendar and "Stars of the WWF", here (grin).   Anonymous    
(back) Subject: Re: Ok, what exactly are you all doing... From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:34:31 -0500   At 09:37 PM 28/01/2003 -0500, Justin Karch wrote: >(SNIP) >By the way, can someone recommend a good Episcopal/Anglican hymnal with >good tunes included (the equivalent of the Lutheran Hymnal, aka "the old = one") The New English Hymnal from the early 1990's has much to recommend it. The musical arrangements in the NEH leave the two U.S. Lutheran Hymnals (LBW and LH) from circa 1978 for dead. This is especially so with tunes of =   German origin. Many Bach harmonisations are used. You should have a copy = of NEH just for playing hymns from ! I have not seen the new "Common Praise" ISBN 185311 264X but the comments =   seem quite favorable. One reviewer described it as safe and not breaking too much new ground. On that basis I think I might like it!   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:11:46 -0800       Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > > Bud, I have all those you mention but the Songs of Syon, which I've = never > seen here. You don't like Ancient & Modern Revised, i.e. not the blue > Standard one?? > > The English Hymnal is indeed a very fine book of its kind, butI know of = only > one church in NZ that uses it - and that is our most Anglo-Catholic = parish > by a long way, and they also supplement it with other stuff. > > Do you like the new version of A*M - Common Praise? > > Here, we tend to feel that denominational, or indeed any, hymnbooks will > shortly be a thing of the past, as they are not only frightfully = expensive > but we think not one book has all the stuff you want in it, and there is > often a plethora of stuff you'd never, ever, use. > > In spite of that, and my hymnbook collection of some 950 or so, I'd = still > buy more books if I could find the cash. (Laugh at me, someone should).   Over the years, I've found that The English Hymnal was the best source for things I needed. No, I'm not particularly fond of A & M Revised ... the Gregorian in TEH is better. Haven't seen Common Praise.   Songs of Syon was edited by G. H. Woodward, I think ... yellow cover ... heavy on German chorales and Gregorian hymns ... I think at one time it was in use at King's, and / or St. John's ... really more of a choirbook than a congregational hymnal, except for VERY sophisticated closed communities like those. I have to replace mine ... it disappeared in one of my moves.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Anglican hymnals From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:15:27 -0600   Church Publishing http://www.churchpublishing.org/ is apparently selling = off their inventory of Hymnal 1940 - $18.95 a pop. I ordered two copies - = they arrived with different colored bindings   Definitely get 1940 and you may as pick up the 1982. Whatever you think = of it - and it's a wreck in many respects - it does have some good tunes that are lacking in earlier hymnals. Just make sure to spend the bux for the accompaniment edition. It's the only one that's complete.   If you have room on your bookshelf and on your credit card, round this out with The English Hymnal / Oxford University Press and Hymns Ancient & Modern - Revised / Canterbury Press. These are standards in the UK. The Church Hymnal (Church of Ireland) / also OUP is also quite fine. These = are all readily available through a UK bookseller. Amazon.co.uk - for one - sells them all.     Michael       -----Original Message-----   Subject: Anglican hymnals From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:55:09 -0800   Um ... no comment (grin).   The 1933 revised edition of The English Hymnal is the standard by which all others are judged. RVW was the musical editor. The original edition was 1906.   Other standard Anglican hymnals are:   Hymns Ancient and Modern - try to get the old A & M Standard Edition ... I think it's still available. If not, it turns up on used book sites from time to time.   The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 - may be out of print ... check with your local Episcopal Church, which I believe is St. Peter's ... the organist used to style himself "Organist of St. Peter's in ROME" (grin).   The Episcopal Hymnal 1916 is also a fine book ... it turns up fairly regularly on used book sites. In some ways, better than the Hymnal 1940, particularly for service-music.   FORGET the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 ... not worth the paper it's printed on, not unlike the new Lutheran books (grin).        
(back) Subject: young recitalists From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:07:28 +0000   Not having heard either Mr Carpenter or Mr hell in person I can only go = from list members comments on their playing, but it does seem that Felix hell = is a genuine musicican who combines technical skill with understanding of the =   composer's intentions, and he has the ability to communicate his love of = the music and the instrument to his audience. If he ever comes to Athens I = will be there! Age in itself is not the only factor in performance - child virtuosos such as Mozart, no mean composer himself, have been around for a =   long time. Simon Preston could set the house on its toes 50 years ago - he =   probably still can. A modicum of showmanship is part of a recital. Too strong an "academic" slant can kill the occasion. Choosing a good = programme with contrasting rhythm, key and tempi are essential. I don't think the organ is dead as a concert instrument yet - and yes, we need to introduce the younger generation to organ music. Incidentally my experience, in opposition to what a list member suggested the other day, is that they do like the First Movement of Widor's fifth symphony - it has good melodies = and rhythmic excitement - though one of my non music students did say that "Church Music" was boring! John Foss www.johnfoss.gr     _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Ok, what exactly are you all doing... From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:12:36 -0600   Justin asked,   > By the way, can someone recommend a good Episcopal/Anglican hymnal with = good tunes included (the equivalent of the Lutheran Hymnal, aka "the old = one")   There were two hymnals published by the Episcopal Church in the last = century; the Hymnal 1940, and the Hymnal 1982. The Hymnal 1940 is still = available, though I understand that the "accompaniment edition" is not; = however, for that book, the accompaniment edition was merely the "full = tunes" edition with an "organist friendly" binding--plastic comb, or wire = bound in some form. I don't share Bud's dissatisfaction with the 1982; in my opinion, the = accompaniment edition is a good value, there are a number of historic = Anglican Chants that are scarce to find otherwise, and some newly composed = for the volume that you won't find elsewhere. I also like (as solo = material) some of the settings of canticles for which music is not easily = found.   With respect to the first hymnal authorized by the Episcopal church in the = XXth century, the "New Hymnal" of 1916, the "texts" of the hymns were = authorized, but not the tunes, so there are two or three different = versions of that hymnal. I've seen two of them, but only been fortunate = enough to acquire the one by H.W. Gray. I also own a copy of the recent = revision of Hymns Ancient and Modern, renamed "Common Praise". Not a bad volume, but it's got its = share of the newer hymn texts by Brian Wren, and Fred Pratt-Green. Also = worth acquiring, IMO, is the 1930's era Canadian Anglican hymnal, also = called "Common Praise."   I would also commend some of the non-Anglican, English Hymnals. I = treasure my copy of Oxford's "The Church Hymnary", published some years = back for the Scottish, Irish, and English Presbyterians. [It was from = this volume that I first learned of the fifth verse of the text, "Praise, = my soul, the King of Heaven"]. Also interesting are hymnals published in = the UK for the Methodists. Some of those from a century ago contain tunes by Parry, = Stainer, Stanford, and Sullivan which do not appear in other sources, and = which, IMO, deserve to be more widely known.   I don't yet have a copy of any version of the English Hymnal; I expect = eventually to have at least one.   ns