PipeChat Digest #3415 - Thursday, January 30, 2003
 
Anglican hymnals - a new bit of trivia
  by "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com>
Re: Anglican hymnals - a new bit of trivia
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
RE: Klais pipe organ in Singapore
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Anglican hymnals
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Anglican hymnals
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Anglican hymnals
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Anglican hymnals
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Anglican hymnals
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Transcriptions - was re cameron carpenter (AND Holtkamp)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Anglican Hymns -- calm down
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
Re: Anglican hymnals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals)
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals)
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: new hall in Miami (was Klais, etc.)
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Anglican hymnals - a new bit of trivia From: "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:18:47 +1100   Not quite Anglican hymnals, but at Evensong today in Sydney Cathedral, the anthem was "In the Bleak midwinter" of Harold Darke. The temperature was 44C (112F) - something of a record for that anthem, I bet! :-) I had my fan blowing so hard that I had to get a student to hold the music down for me!   I'm now relaxing at home in air-conditioning reading Pipechat while other listers are obviously getting "hot" under the collar about Anglican Hymnals.   Cheers,   Mark    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals - a new bit of trivia From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:31:25 -0600       Mark Quarmby wrote:   > Not quite Anglican hymnals, but at Evensong today in Sydney Cathedral, > the anthem was "In the Bleak midwinter" of Harold Darke. The > temperature was 44C (112F) - something of a record for that anthem, I > bet! :-)   and they say "global warming" is a myth....   ns    
(back) Subject: RE: Klais pipe organ in Singapore From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:27:27 -0600   Russ also is the acoustician for the new Miami performing arts center's concert hall. He was selected by the architect, Cesar Pelli, for the 2200-seat room. I hope to live long enough to see the project completed, with its IV/105-8 Mander organ above center stage. :-)   Peter=20   -----Original Message----- From: Judy A. Ollikkala [mailto:71431.2534@compuserve.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:07 PM To: pipechat Subject: Klais pipe organ in Singapore   My son in Singapore gave me a newspaper article on the opening of the new Concert Hall in the Esplanade Theatres on the Bay in Singapore, dated mid-October 2002. The Hall seats 2000 and was designed by " renowned American acoustician Russell Johnson, age 78", and has a pipe organ by Johannes Klais Orgelbau of Germany. "12 m high, with 4,740 pipes, made up of 40,000 pieces of different materials including oak, tin, lead, leather, felt, bone, and ebony. It weighs as much as five elephants. "The Gallery adds a further 200 seats for the choir. The stage can house an orchestra of up to 120 musicians."=20   Judy Ollikkala   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Anglican hymnals From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:37:15 -0500   I mentioned it. It was frequently seen in public schools (which, for = anyone who doesn't know, means a not-for-profit school governed by a board of trustees, as opposed to the older model of one owned outright, and run for profit, by the headmaster. Typically they are boarding schools for boys 12-18. Americans scoff bemusedly about how contrary the British are in calling schools public that we obviously call private-- but they are = indeed public in the same sense as our "public corporations." )   In the wonderful mini-series "To serve them all my days", about an English public school between the 1st and 2nd world wars, that PBS TV aired on Masterpiece Theatre-- gosh, was it 18-20 years ago?-- the headmaster announced a certain hymn number in morning chapel and they began to sing = it. I opened up _Songs of Praise_ to that hymn number and, sure enough, that = was the hymn they were singing.   We don't get that kind of authenticity of detail in TV programs anymore.   Paul     > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas A. Campbell [SMTP:dougcampbell@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:10 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals > > Dear List, > > In discussions of Anglican Hymnals (recent and past) there has never = been > mentioned the only English Hymnal that I own: "Songs of Praise" Oxford > University Press 1926, revised and enlarged 1932, edited by RVW and > Martin Shaw. > > I am curious if anyone is familiar with this book and your comments. > > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Anglican hymnals From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:35:28 -0500   Jonathan Hall writes:   > You have to know, first of all, that Bud is NOT--repeat, NOT--a member of the Episcopal Church.   If he was baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal church, then he is a member of the Episcopal Church. These are indelible sacraments-- or = doesn't the Episcopal Church believe that anymore? He could show up at any Episcopal church and go to Communion without breaking any rules. I'm = still an Episcopalian in good standing because I have the good fortune and privilege of calling S.Clement's, Philadelphia my parish. If no such enclave were available in my area, I might well be in Bud's church-- or, = if still an Episcopal parishioner, at least I'd be a far more disgruntled = one.   > The Eucharist is indeed the proper principal service on Sundays. That = is the LAW of the church!   You, Bud, and I are all glad of that. However, we also, I trust, applaud Saint Thomas, New York, and the handful of other places that endeavor to maintain some vestige of the daily offices sung. An article appeared in _The Living Church_ a few years ago called "In search of choral mattins." Visit churches coast to coast now, and you'll be very lucky to hear this service once.   When the Eucharist and the Office are used as conceived, there is NO CONFLICT between them; and in fact, I bet that if you do find, or want to find, the office actually *used*, especially actually *sung*, you're more likely to find it parishes like Bud's or mine than in the prot palaces = that used to glory in Morning Prayer every Sunday at 11 a.m., just before the church doors closed for the week.   My biggest objection to the 1982 hymnal in this regard is the bewildering organization of the service music, and the way this organization extends = an open invitation to conflate the Eucharist and the office. This is potentially a danger, I think; fortunately, it still seems to be the rare exception that it should be in practice. But if it ceased to be a rare exception, we'd have to start putting out "11 a.m. worship" signs in = front, just like the Baptists, because there wouldn't be anything less generic to call it. Can you say "entropy?"   I certainly don't have a conspiracy theory about anything in the 1982 = hymnal except the sly changes to some of the old texts. I remember how I was champing at the bit for a new hymnal to come out in the late 70s and early 80s. There I was on the verge of middle age, and in the midst of a = reputed worldwide "hymn explosion," and I still couldn't go into my church and = sing an authorized hymn written in my own lifetime. It seemed like a particularly insulting case of ostrich-head-in-the-sand. Furthermore, I have too high a regard for Ray Glover and some of the other people who = were involved in compiling it. But despite all the deliberation, polling, and prior experimentation that were conducted, one cannot totally predict all the effects and consequences of anything as complex. I am willing to = assume that some ill effects and inconveniences were unintended, but to deny that they exist is just pig-headedness. Today I'm rather relieved whenever I go into a church (and there are a = few) and see the Hymnal 1940 in the pews.        
(back) Subject: RE: Anglican hymnals From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:49:48 -0000   Reminds me of a scene from 'Dad's Army' (a British comedy about the Home Guard during WWII)... in one episode they were singing All things Bright and Beautiful in a service (complete with pigeons flying out of the organ but that's not my point!). Unfortunately the scene was ruined for me - not because it was the wrong number - it wasn't - they had the right number on the hymn boards, but because they were singing from Hymns Ancient and Modern Revised - unfortunately not published until 7 years after the end of the war!   Steve Canterbury UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Emmons, Paul Sent: 30 January 2003 15:37 To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Anglican hymnals   I mentioned it. It was frequently seen in public schools (which, for anyone who doesn't know, means a not-for-profit school governed by a board of trustees, as opposed to the older model of one owned outright, and run for profit, by the headmaster. Typically they are boarding schools for boys 12-18. Americans scoff bemusedly about how contrary the British are in calling schools public that we obviously call private-- but they are indeed public in the same sense as our "public corporations." )   In the wonderful mini-series "To serve them all my days", about an English public school between the 1st and 2nd world wars, that PBS TV aired on Masterpiece Theatre-- gosh, was it 18-20 years ago?-- the headmaster announced a certain hymn number in morning chapel and they began to sing it. I opened up _Songs of Praise_ to that hymn number and, sure enough, that was the hymn they were singing.   We don't get that kind of authenticity of detail in TV programs anymore.   Paul     > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas A. Campbell [SMTP:dougcampbell@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:10 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals > > Dear List, > > In discussions of Anglican Hymnals (recent and past) there has never been > mentioned the only English Hymnal that I own: "Songs of Praise" Oxford > University Press 1926, revised and enlarged 1932, edited by RVW and > Martin Shaw. > > I am curious if anyone is familiar with this book and your comments. > > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:36:41 +1300   >> You have to know, first of all, that Bud is NOT--repeat, NOT--a member >of the Episcopal Church. > >If he was baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal church, then he is a >member of the Episcopal Church.   Not if he doesn't want to be, he isn't.   >These are indelible sacraments-- or doesn't >the Episcopal Church believe that anymore? He could show up at any >Episcopal church and go to Communion without breaking any rules.   First, as I've had to say over and over again on various Lists, there is = NOT ONE Anglican Prayer Book in the world that lists Confirmation as a sacrament, but only as a sacramental rite or sacramental action.   Second, people are baptised into the Church, not into the Anglican Church, so baptism by anyone is acceptable, whatever the denomination, if it is performed within the traditional Trinitarian formulation.   Third, in many Anglican churches, including that in NZ, baptised folk from any denomination are welcome at the Lord's Table, with no suggestion that = to be Anglican is necessary. Sure, that wasn't so formerly, but it is now.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Anglican hymnals From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:46:34 -0500   DING! This round is over. Everyone go to their corners. -- David G. Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Transcriptions - was re cameron carpenter (AND Holtkamp) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:03:21 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3126780201_9886767 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 1/29/03 6:08 PM, "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> wrote:   > Tyler   I think it was =3DB3Taylor.=3DB2   Alan   --B_3126780201_9886767 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Transcriptions - was re cameron carpenter (AND = Holtkamp)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 1/29/03 6:08 PM, &quot;Jim = Clouser&quot; &l=3D t;CromorneCipher@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">Tyler<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> I think it was &#8220;Taylor.&#8221;<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3126780201_9886767--    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican Hymns -- calm down From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:59:41 -0600     --Apple-Mail-6--922411383 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed   Dear Maestro Lawn;   So glad to hear that you are well enough to be back on the bench. Hope you continue to improve and spend a long, long time there.   You made a threat which I quote below. I'm not sure if it was to be sarcastic, or if you really DO find merit in the New Century Hymnal. I, for one, would like to hear your thoughts if you do, because this list has heard from a multitude of folks who don't.   On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 04:00 AM, PipeChat wrote:   > Sand Lawn > > P.S. If you are not careful, I may start carrying of how wonderful I =3D > think the New Century Hymnal is with it's politically-correct and =3D > inclusive language.... so start playing nice. > Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Artist-in-Residence Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood_umc.org   --Apple-Mail-6--922411383 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3DUS-ASCII   Dear Maestro Lawn;     So glad to hear that you are well enough to be back on the bench. Hope you continue to improve and spend a long, long time there.     You made a threat which I quote below. I'm not sure if it was to be sarcastic, or if you really DO find merit in the New Century Hymnal. I, for one, would like to hear your thoughts if you do, because this list has heard from a multitude of folks who don't.     On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 04:00 AM, PipeChat wrote:     <excerpt>Sand Lawn     P.S. If you are not careful, I may start carrying of how wonderful I =3D   think the New Century Hymnal is with it's politically-correct and =3D   inclusive language.... so start playing nice.     </excerpt><fontfamily><param>Herculanum</param><color><param>5050,0C0C,9F9F= </param>Larry Wheelock   Director of Music Ministries   Artist-in-Residence   Kenwood United Methodist Church   Milwaukee, Wisconsin   musicdirector@kenwood_umc.org</color></fontfamily>     --Apple-Mail-6--922411383--    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:08:37 -0500   On 1/29/03 6:31 PM, "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> wrote:   Snip   > other frankly dubious spin-off churches. I don't personally trust them > because they are too small, too particularized, and too sure that they > have THE TRUTH.   Easy, Jon. My own denomination, ELCA, is accused of those same things, = even by other Lutherans, even though we're the larger dog in the kennel--aye, bigger even than ECUSA. And we accuse THEM (LCMS, obviously) of the same. > 1940 Prayer Book   I had even realized there WAS one. My GUESS is that he uses 1928.   > Oh, whatever.   Your best line, Jon. Stick with it.   > I will personally find out why   You guys should be be thankful that you're not Lutherans. We have the = same problems, only (if possible) worse. Textual as well as musical.   > So are you Catholic or not?   Depends on whom you ask.   > I'll stop if you will! :)   Whose offer was that? Jon? Long overdue.   The Palestinian and Jewish Israelis went to quasi-Lutheran Oslo to talk = (to no effect, of course). So we'll invite all you splinter catholics who = enjoy calling everybody ELSE a "splinter" to come home to Mother Lutherland. In = a few hours I'll send you a silly parody songs about Anglicans; too busy = now.   I'm half Swedish. Swedish Orders make the best Anglican ones resemble = those of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Pick on me, somebody!   Alan (not enjoying this stuff, but trying to sound like I am)          
(back) Subject: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals) From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:24:31 -0500   It seems to me that we're all losing sight of what's important. How is it that one denomination is different than another? Sure, one might sing the Doxology and the other nay, but don't we all believe in the same God and find our salvation through the same Jesus Christ who bore ONE cross for = ALL of us? I think that some churches have fallen in an identity trap. They want to represent a "sect" of Christianity that they know to be right, all the while adding different ideas to the doctorine. So many times, I hear: "what do the Baptists believe? what do the Lutherans believe?". The = music comes off the same way also: In the ELCA (lutheran) church, I have heard = it said that the hymn "In the Garden" is prohibited from use in worship = because the first line is: "I come to the garden ALONE." The truth though is = that we ALL come to the garden ALONE. The beginning of our faith trip starts with us and God, tet a tet. If a piece of music praises our mighty God, then I call it good!   It's been said before, and I'll reiterate: I think that it's fine to discuss the layout, etc. of so many wonderful hymnals that are available = to us. However, we're almost tearing ourselves (members of the body of = Christ) apart at the seams. "Well, I believe this because I'm Presbyterian!" As for me, I'm a christian - simple, and yet complicated, as that.   "What God ordains is always good"   Jim Clouser BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music Music Director/Organist Reformation Evangelical Lutheran Church Eastlake, Ohio     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals     > On 1/29/03 6:31 PM, "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> = wrote: > > Snip > > > other frankly dubious spin-off churches. I don't personally trust = them > > because they are too small, too particularized, and too sure that they > > have THE TRUTH. > > Easy, Jon. My own denomination, ELCA, is accused of those same things, even > by other Lutherans, even though we're the larger dog in the kennel--aye, > bigger even than ECUSA. And we accuse THEM (LCMS, obviously) of the = same. > > > 1940 Prayer Book > > I had even realized there WAS one. My GUESS is that he uses 1928. > > > Oh, whatever. > > Your best line, Jon. Stick with it. > > > I will personally find out why > > You guys should be be thankful that you're not Lutherans. We have the same > problems, only (if possible) worse. Textual as well as musical. > > > So are you Catholic or not? > > Depends on whom you ask. > > > I'll stop if you will! :) > > Whose offer was that? Jon? Long overdue. > > The Palestinian and Jewish Israelis went to quasi-Lutheran Oslo to talk (to > no effect, of course). So we'll invite all you splinter catholics who enjoy > calling everybody ELSE a "splinter" to come home to Mother Lutherland. = In a > few hours I'll send you a silly parody songs about Anglicans; too busy now. > > I'm half Swedish. Swedish Orders make the best Anglican ones resemble those > of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Pick on me, somebody! > > Alan (not enjoying this stuff, but trying to sound like I am) > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals) From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:54:17 -0500   Dear Jim, I have to agree with you . I have a friend who is Lutheran Missouri Synod who accuses all the ELCA guys of being Calvinists. The Anglicans I know tell me I'm too "Roman". As you say, we are tearing each other apart = as one Christian body. What the Roman emperors could not do in the coliseum, = we do to ourselves. If you want to go to a specific church go. Just don't preach theology or doctrine when most of it is opinion and based on = "faith." What I believe may not conform to someone elses belief but I hate someone who preaches to me and indicates that they are right and I am wrong. An = old Lt Colonel in the Air Force once told me "opinions are like a----es, everyone has one". That comes to the lates movie or the Bible. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals)     > It seems to me that we're all losing sight of what's important. How is = it > that one denomination is different than another? Sure, one might sing = the > Doxology and the other nay, but don't we all believe in the same God and > find our salvation through the same Jesus Christ who bore ONE cross for ALL > of us? I think that some churches have fallen in an identity trap. = They > want to represent a "sect" of Christianity that they know to be right, = all > the while adding different ideas to the doctorine. So many times, I = hear: > "what do the Baptists believe? what do the Lutherans believe?". The music > comes off the same way also: In the ELCA (lutheran) church, I have = heard it > said that the hymn "In the Garden" is prohibited from use in worship because > the first line is: "I come to the garden ALONE." The truth though is that > we ALL come to the garden ALONE. The beginning of our faith trip starts > with us and God, tet a tet. If a piece of music praises our mighty God, > then I call it good! > > It's been said before, and I'll reiterate: I think that it's fine to > discuss the layout, etc. of so many wonderful hymnals that are available to > us. However, we're almost tearing ourselves (members of the body of Christ) > apart at the seams. "Well, I believe this because I'm Presbyterian!" = As > for me, I'm a christian - simple, and yet complicated, as that. > > "What God ordains is always good" > > Jim Clouser > BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music > Music Director/Organist > Reformation Evangelical Lutheran Church > Eastlake, Ohio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: Anglican hymnals > > > > On 1/29/03 6:31 PM, "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> wrote: > > > > Snip > > > > > other frankly dubious spin-off churches. I don't personally trust them > > > because they are too small, too particularized, and too sure that = they > > > have THE TRUTH. > > > > Easy, Jon. My own denomination, ELCA, is accused of those same = things, > even > > by other Lutherans, even though we're the larger dog in the = kennel--aye, > > bigger even than ECUSA. And we accuse THEM (LCMS, obviously) of the same. > > > > > 1940 Prayer Book > > > > I had even realized there WAS one. My GUESS is that he uses 1928. > > > > > Oh, whatever. > > > > Your best line, Jon. Stick with it. > > > > > I will personally find out why > > > > You guys should be be thankful that you're not Lutherans. We have the > same > > problems, only (if possible) worse. Textual as well as musical. > > > > > So are you Catholic or not? > > > > Depends on whom you ask. > > > > > I'll stop if you will! :) > > > > Whose offer was that? Jon? Long overdue. > > > > The Palestinian and Jewish Israelis went to quasi-Lutheran Oslo to = talk > (to > > no effect, of course). So we'll invite all you splinter catholics who > enjoy > > calling everybody ELSE a "splinter" to come home to Mother Lutherland. In > a > > few hours I'll send you a silly parody songs about Anglicans; too busy > now. > > > > I'm half Swedish. Swedish Orders make the best Anglican ones resemble > those > > of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Pick on me, somebody! > > > > Alan (not enjoying this stuff, but trying to sound like I am) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: new hall in Miami (was Klais, etc.) From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:06:59 EST     --part1_1cc.147ceb7.2b6b0a13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/30/2003 9:33:49 AM Central Standard Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:   > Russ also is the acoustician for the new Miami performing arts center's > concert hall. He was selected by the architect, Cesar Pelli, for the > 2200-seat room. I hope to live long enough to see the project > completed, with its IV/105-8 Mander organ above center stage. :-) >   I just hope this organ comes to fruition and is just not another pipe = dream. The political situation for the new halls is a pain, but hopefully with = the right leadership, it will happen. Maybe Malcom will tell us one day when = the contract is signed.   Darryl by the Sea   --part1_1cc.147ceb7.2b6b0a13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 9:33:49 AM = Central Standard Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Russ also is the = acoustician for the new Miami performing arts center's<BR> concert hall.&nbsp; He was selected by the architect, Cesar Pelli, for = the<BR> 2200-seat room.&nbsp; I hope to live long enough to see the project<BR> completed, with its IV/105-8 Mander organ above center stage.&nbsp; = :-)<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR> I just hope this organ comes to fruition and is just not another pipe = dream. The political situation for the new halls is a pain, but hopefully = with the right leadership, it will happen. Maybe Malcom will tell us one = day when the contract is signed.<BR> <BR> Darryl by the Sea</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1cc.147ceb7.2b6b0a13_boundary--