PipeChat Digest #3417 - Friday, January 31, 2003
 
Concert Announcement---X-post
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Fred Swann
  by "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca>
Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test
  by "tom carter" <tcarter215@yahoo.com>
Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test
  by <EchoGamba@aol.com>
RE: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals)
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Morning Prayer
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals)
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Concert Announcement---X-post From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:11:47 EST     --part1_1ac.fd1d6f8.2b6bc203_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I want to post a shameless plug for a program that I am playing in a few weeks.   Saturday, February 22, 2003 7:00 PM West Hartsville Baptist Church Hartsville, SC   Mid-Atlantic Organ Company (curators of the Calvary Grand Moller Pipe = Organ) present Monty Bennett playing the 3/33 Wicks organ. Mid-Atlantic has just =   been contracted to take care of this instrument. Don't jump to = conclusions about the Wicks.....it's a very nice instrument in American Classic style = in a fairly sizeable church with good acoustics. Members of the Wick family will be in attendance at the concert since they are going to be in South Carolina finalizing a contract with another church. If you haven't heard their new work, it's worth a listen. Their new tonal director does some = good work in the "Anglo-Romantic" style.   The concert is entitled "The Organ in Worship and Concert". Part I = features preludes/offertories/postludes through the church year by JS Bach, Emma = Lou Diemer, Paul Manz, and myself. Part II features organ literature = including Grand Choir Dialogue-Gigout; Cantabile-Franck; Praeludium-Kodaly; Fantasia =   and Fuge in g minor-Bach.   This concert is free of charge and no tickets are needed.   Monty Bennett   --part1_1ac.fd1d6f8.2b6bc203_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I want to post a shameless plug for a program = that I am playing in a few weeks.<BR> <BR> Saturday, February 22, 2003 7:00 PM<BR> West Hartsville Baptist Church<BR> Hartsville, SC<BR> <BR> Mid-Atlantic Organ Company (curators of the Calvary Grand Moller Pipe = Organ) present Monty Bennett playing the 3/33 Wicks organ.&nbsp; = Mid-Atlantic has just been contracted to take care of this = instrument.&nbsp; Don't jump to conclusions about the Wicks.....it's a = very nice instrument in American Classic style in a fairly sizeable church = with good acoustics.&nbsp; Members of the Wick family will be in = attendance at the concert since they are going to be in South Carolina = finalizing a contract with another church.&nbsp; If you haven't heard = their new work, it's worth a listen.&nbsp; Their new tonal director does = some good work in the "Anglo-Romantic" style.<BR> <BR> The concert is entitled "The Organ in Worship and Concert".&nbsp; Part I = features preludes/offertories/postludes through the church year by JS = Bach, Emma Lou Diemer, Paul Manz, and myself.&nbsp; Part II&nbsp; features = organ literature including Grand Choir Dialogue-Gigout; Cantabile-Franck; = Praeludium-Kodaly; Fantasia and Fuge in g minor-Bach.<BR> <BR> This concert is free of charge and no tickets are needed.<BR> <BR> Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1ac.fd1d6f8.2b6bc203_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fred Swann From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:55:56 -0400     On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 11:18 PM, Judy A. Ollikkala wrote:   > The church is Notre Dame Cathedral, and when Joseph Casavant put his > instrument in, the city was called Bytown, I believe, maybe just a town > then. The organ was installed in 1850.     Remembering my Canadian history, Bytown was the original name of Ottawa and it was, indeed, a small community in 1850. It was sometime after confederation in 1867 (I can't remember the exact year) that Queen Victoria chose Bytown as the capital of Canada -- specifically because it did not already have any prominence.   Andrew Barss Halifax, NS    
(back) Subject: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test From: "tom carter" <tcarter215@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:49:14 -0800 (PST)   Hello all   For those of you that have right of first refusal on weddings written into your contracts, what do you do when the couple wants to have a family member play? Do you charge your regular fee anyway, a reduced fee or none whatsoever? I'm in this situation for the first time at my new position (an upper upper middle class congregation, whereas I'm slaving away for a living) and don't know what the proper thing to do is. Any shared experience or advice would be most helpful   Thanks, Tom Carter Philadelphia, PA     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "the organ would have sufficed for a church four times the size. It nicely = complemented the organist...who felt that certain attributes of the Lord = (violence and capriciousness in the Old Testament, majesty and triumph in = the New) could be directly conveyed into the souls of the enpewed sinners = through a kind of frontal sonic impregnation" -- Neal Stephenson   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:18:10 EST     --part1_a9.37cd18f0.2b6bedb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Right of first refusal means that you are paid for all weddings at your parish.   In most situations, the organist must authorize the use of the organ by another person, and the organist is paid his/her fee for that wedding regardless (this in itself usually sways the bride from getting another person).   Stick to your guns. Most churches recognize that the music that is = presented at a wedding directly reflects on that church. If you play, you reflect admirably. If Aunt Nellie plays, she may or may not reflect the church in = a good light (usually NOT).   Stick to your guns and blessings on you.   Neil Brown   --part1_a9.37cd18f0.2b6bedb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Right of first refusal means that you are paid = for all weddings at your parish.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> In most situations,&nbsp; the organist must authorize the use of the organ = by another person, and the organist is paid his/her fee for that wedding = regardless (this in itself usually sways the bride from getting another = person).&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Stick to your guns.&nbsp; Most churches recognize that the music that is = presented at a wedding directly reflects on that church.&nbsp; If you = play, you reflect admirably.&nbsp; If Aunt Nellie plays, she may or may = not reflect the church in a good light (usually NOT).&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Stick to your guns and blessings on you.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a9.37cd18f0.2b6bedb2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:26:26 -0800   (1) they have to audition for me.   (2) I have to approve all music sung and played.   (3) I am paid my full fee for organist alone (we charge extra for soloists, choir, instrumentalists, etc.) -- $200.   I have no qualms whatsoever about it, since it DOES involve work for me. Nor does it matter that I'm full-time at the parish.   OTOH, it's only happened once in six years (grin).   What I HAVE done a couple of times is offer the prelude or the wedding marches or whatever to the visiting organist, and play the rest of the service myself. That seems to be a diplomatic way around it.   Since virtually ALL our weddings are Solemn High Masses with full choir, it simply doesn't come UP that often ... nobody else knows how to DO it (grin).   I think it depends on the circumstances ... I'm very well-liked in my parish, but there's one old gal who I KNOW has written into her burial instructions that I'm NOT to play for her funeral (grin) ... she's a peppery old party, low-church, hates chanting and incense, blames me for all the high-church carryings-on the RECTOR has instituted, etc. ... I wouldn't expect her to do otherwise (chuckle). My sub-organist can play THAT one; I'll sit in the pew; and I won't charge anybody a DIME (grin) .... outliving your opposition is the best revenge (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   tom carter wrote: > > Hello all > > For those of you that have right of first refusal on > weddings written into your contracts, what do you do > when the couple wants to have a family member play? > Do you charge your regular fee anyway, a reduced fee > or none whatsoever? I'm in this situation for the > first time at my new position (an upper upper middle > class congregation, whereas I'm slaving away for a > living) and don't know what the proper thing to do is. > Any shared experience or advice would be most helpful > > Thanks, > Tom Carter > Philadelphia, PA > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > "the organ would have sufficed for a church four times the size. It = nicely complemented the organist...who felt that certain attributes of the = Lord (violence and capriciousness in the Old Testament, majesty and = triumph in the New) could be directly conveyed into the souls of the = enpewed sinners through a kind of frontal sonic impregnation" -- Neal = Stephenson > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:36:57 -0500   On 1/31/03 9:49 AM, "tom carter" <tcarter215@yahoo.com> wrote:   > For those of you that have right of first refusal on > weddings written into your contracts, what do you do > when the couple wants to have a family member play? > Do you charge your regular fee anyway, a reduced fee > or none whatsoever? I'm in this situation for the > first time at my new position (an upper upper middle > class congregation, whereas I'm slaving away for a > living) and don't know what the proper thing to do is. > Any shared experience or advice would be most helpful   Tom, I'd think that if you have that right of first refusal "written into your contract," it should spell out the details a bit. I'm inclined to favor an arrangement where the parish organist is paid for all weddings at the going rate, whether he plays or not, unless not to play has been his = own choice.   If the wedding party wants to bring in their own organist, they ask permission to do so, and you have the option of accepting or rejecting the idea (an option shared with the pastor, most likely). If you accept the deal, you accept your check and that's it; if you don't, you accept your check anyway, and play for the wedding. If a guest organist plays, his remuneration is his own business, not yours.   Make sense?   (The other way to do it is that you are paid a full-time salary, which includes all weddings, etc., and you get no payment for specific services. Whether the wedding party pays the parish or not is a matter of parish policy, and you're not involved in that.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test From: <EchoGamba@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:37:28 EST     --part1_18b.15a3ec1d.2b6bf238_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello,   I am occasionally told that another organist has been requested for = weddings or funerals. Normally an organist friend of the family. I do no mind at = all (providing the organist in question doesn't mess about with my thumb = piston settings) as I receive my full fee. This means I earn my money while = sitting at home and having a beer in front of the football.   I have never told the church that this is what I expect to happen, but it just happens automatically. I personally calculate my wedding income in January from the amount of weddings booked. Is it my fault if the 'happy couple' want someone else to play?? I think not! Therefore it is not = right that my income should be slashed.   You have made yourself available in advance, and therefore should receive your fee.   Enjoy the football!!   Paul. EchoGamba@aol.com   --part1_18b.15a3ec1d.2b6bf238_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hello,<BR> <BR> I am occasionally told that another organist has been requested for = weddings or funerals.&nbsp; Normally an organist friend of the = family.&nbsp; I do no mind at all (providing the organist in question = doesn't mess about with my thumb piston settings) as I receive my full = fee.&nbsp; This means I earn my money while sitting at home and having a = beer in front of the football.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> I have never told the church that this is what I expect to happen, but it = just happens automatically.&nbsp; I personally calculate my wedding income = in January from the amount of weddings booked.&nbsp; Is it my fault if the = 'happy couple' want someone else to play??&nbsp;&nbsp; I think not!&nbsp; = Therefore it is not right that my income should be slashed.<BR> <BR> You have made yourself available in advance, and therefore should receive = your fee.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Enjoy the football!!<BR> <BR> Paul.<BR> EchoGamba@aol.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18b.15a3ec1d.2b6bf238_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:42:26 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2C93F.5B24C336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Now we can argue about the meaning of 'football'....   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: EchoGamba@aol.com [mailto:EchoGamba@aol.com]=3D20 Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:37 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Weddings: right of first refusal put to the test   =3D20   Hello,   I am occasionally told that another organist has been requested for weddings or funerals. Normally an organist friend of the family. I do no mind at all (providing the organist in question doesn't mess about with my thumb piston settings) as I receive my full fee. This means I earn my money while sitting at home and having a beer in front of the football. =3D20   I have never told the church that this is what I expect to happen, but it just happens automatically. I personally calculate my wedding income in January from the amount of weddings booked. Is it my fault if the 'happy couple' want someone else to play?? I think not! Therefore it is not right that my income should be slashed.   You have made yourself available in advance, and therefore should receive your fee. =3D20   Enjoy the football!!   Paul. EchoGamba@aol.com     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2C93F.5B24C336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial =3D FAMILY=3D3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now we can argue = =3D about the meaning of &#8216;football&#8217;&#8230;.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> EchoGamba@aol.com [mailto:EchoGamba@aol.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 31, = =3D 2003 9:37 AM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Weddings: = =3D right of first refusal put to the test</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello,<br> <br> I am occasionally told that another organist has been requested for =3D weddings or funerals.&nbsp; Normally an organist friend of the family.&nbsp; I do no = =3D mind at all (providing the organist in question doesn't mess about with my =3D thumb piston settings) as I receive my full fee.&nbsp; This means I earn my =3D money while sitting at home and having a beer in front of the football.&nbsp; = =3D <br> <br> I have never told the church that this is what I expect to happen, but =3D it just happens automatically.&nbsp; I personally calculate my wedding income in January from the amount of weddings booked.&nbsp; Is it my fault if the = =3D 'happy couple' want someone else to play??&nbsp;&nbsp; I think not!&nbsp; =3D Therefore it is not right that my income should be slashed.<br> <br> You have made yourself available in advance, and therefore should =3D receive your fee.&nbsp; <br> <br> Enjoy the football!!<br> <br> Paul.<br> EchoGamba@aol.com</span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html> =3D00 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2C93F.5B24C336--  
(back) Subject: RE: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals) From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:07:45 -0500   > The truth though is that we ALL come to the garden ALONE. The beginning of our faith trip starts with us and God, tet a tet.   This a provincial point of view, apparently adopted so unquestioningly = that it is taken as axiomatic and universal. The ethos of the branches of catholicism, especially Eastern Orthodoxy, sees things quite differently . In their view, the church is like a boat on stormy seas, and one gets to = the distant shore along with the rest of the crew and passengers, or not at = all. Cf. _Being as Communion_ by John Zizioulas.   > Sure, one might sing the Doxology and the other nay,   That may be a trivial example, of course, but on the whole I don't see why differences in practice should be trivialized when set beside differences = in belief, if only because the two areas can't be separated, and anyone who thinks they can is deluded. The Eastern Orthodox also tell the story of = how Russia was converted. The czar wanted a new religion for his people and sent emissaries to visit far and wide in foreign lands over to find the = best one. The question they were to ask was not "What do you believe?" but = "How do you worship?" Most of what they saw was dour and unattractive. But finally they encountered the beautiful and splendid rites of = Constantinople, and it seemed as though they had wandered into heaven itself. From that = day on, it was no contest: this was the religion that they agreed to take home and recommend to the czar. Whenever I am accosted by would-be sheep stealers who "want to hear" about "my beliefs" (ha!) I ask the same question. "First tell me how you worship!" They can be so unprepared for this topic that it stops the conversation. If I must ever change denominations, it will also be the first question I ask. And why not?   I don't mean to contribute to or prolong a divisive argument-- but don't = we have an example (or two examples) here of why denominations continue to exist? One insists on one's own point of view in the very act of trying = to understand another. "Build thee more stately mansions, O my soul" -- to = the extent that we can.    
(back) Subject: Morning Prayer From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:09:55 -0500   Just an academic question occasioned by the recent mentions of the place = of Morning (and Evening, I suppose) Prayer in Anglican parishes.   Before the Reformation, were these services sung by ordinary parishes at all? Or were they purely monastic offices, sung at cathedrals and such foundations?   How, then (and, more to the point, WHY) did they become parish services after the Reformation? (A very similar thing happened in Lutheranism, of course; I should look up that history and ask how parallel it is to the = same shift in Anglicanism, I guess.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals) From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:48:17 -0500   Dear Paul, Except for the Bible and there are exceptions there as to the literal or abstract interpretations, most of Christian doctrine, despite being insisted upon as being Divinely Inspired, is the work of man. I cannot Divine if the person speaking to me is Divinely inspired or not. I knew = not the circumstances of the four Writers of the Gospels when they wrote their accounting of the life of Jesus. Nor did I know the Master Himself. I do know that putting pen to paper or quill to papyrus was done by a flesh and blood human being and the writing included whatever prejudices and the = core of experience that that individual had. I have 18 credits in theology and = 24 in philosophy but I don't consider myself an authority on Christianity.We all do know prejudice, wars of religion and religious discrimination. = Their source is not in the Bible.I hope to avoid that situation. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Denominationalism (was Anglican Hymnals)     > > The truth though is that we ALL come to the garden ALONE. The = beginning > of our faith trip starts > with us and God, tet a tet. > > This a provincial point of view, apparently adopted so unquestioningly that > it is taken as axiomatic and universal. The ethos of the branches of > catholicism, especially Eastern Orthodoxy, sees things quite differently = .. > In their view, the church is like a boat on stormy seas, and one gets to the > distant shore along with the rest of the crew and passengers, or not at all. > Cf. _Being as Communion_ by John Zizioulas. > > > Sure, one might sing the Doxology and the other nay, > > That may be a trivial example, of course, but on the whole I don't see = why > differences in practice should be trivialized when set beside = differences in > belief, if only because the two areas can't be separated, and anyone who > thinks they can is deluded. The Eastern Orthodox also tell the story of how > Russia was converted. The czar wanted a new religion for his people and > sent emissaries to visit far and wide in foreign lands over to find the best > one. The question they were to ask was not "What do you believe?" but "How > do you worship?" Most of what they saw was dour and unattractive. But > finally they encountered the beautiful and splendid rites of Constantinople, > and it seemed as though they had wandered into heaven itself. From that day > on, it was no contest: this was the religion that they agreed to take = home > and recommend to the czar. Whenever I am accosted by would-be sheep > stealers who "want to hear" about "my beliefs" (ha!) I ask the same > question. "First tell me how you worship!" They can be so unprepared = for > this topic that it stops the conversation. If I must ever change > denominations, it will also be the first question I ask. And why not? > > I don't mean to contribute to or prolong a divisive argument-- but don't we > have an example (or two examples) here of why denominations continue to > exist? One insists on one's own point of view in the very act of trying to > understand another. "Build thee more stately mansions, O my soul" -- to the > extent that we can. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >