PipeChat Digest #3791 - Monday, July 7, 2003
 
Organ Recital near York
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re:
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re:
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Baldwin vs. Allen
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Rodgers Users Group Mail Server is DOWN.
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re:
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Sorry!
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
RE:
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Baldwin vs. Allen
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: versets on the psalm-tones or the church modes?
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re:
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
My choir concert programme
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
RE: Organ Symphonies
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: Carving a niche in history
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Organ Symphonies
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Baldwin vs. Allen
  by "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com>
Re: Felix Hell in Portland, Maine Tuesday July 8
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Organ Recital near York From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:06:14 +0100   If you are in the York - Hull area (UK) you might like to know of a = recital by Phillip Moore (Organist and Master of the Music, York Minster) on the 1859 Franicis Booth organ at St John's Methodist Church, Market Weighton, next Thursday 10th July 7.30 pm. Pay at the door - UKP 3.50. Please come and help us to keep this marvellous old organ 'on the road'.   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html    
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:57:11 -0400   At 03:29 AM 2003-07-07 -0500, you wrote:   >Hi everyone, > >I'm new to the list and am looking for some information, or reviews = rather >on electronic organs. Our organ committee will soon be viewing both >Baldwin ("church organ systems") and Allen three manual organs. I have >quite a bit of info on Allen organs, but have looked around a bit for = some >on Baldwins. Aside from some obvious things I've noticed from playing the =   >Baldwin organs I would like some more specific information on why they >cost only a fraction of the price of an Allen. Any "dirt" you can give me =   >on them would be much appreciated! Thansk! > > >Tyler W. Robertson >Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, Temple, = TX >Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir >Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's Chorus   Hi,   Let's see,   To get the Allen name plate is $10,000 To help the dealer drive around in a Caddy $10,000 To help the Allen shareholders $5,000   Seriously though, what you are asking is kind of vague. Baldwin/COS has = so many models and different lines that you must be more specific to what Allen you are referring to.   In general Allen organs are well built, probably more durable than any Baldwin/COS organ.   Cheers,   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:31:48 -0400   Tyler,   Take the back off both organs and look at how the organ is constructed, both physically (wood, plastic, staples, etc) and electrically (cable connections, quality of connections, etc).   You only get what you pay for.   Paul.     At 03:29 AM 7/7/03 -0500, you wrote:   >Aside from some obvious things I've noticed from playing the Baldwin >organs I would like some more specific information on why they cost only = a >fraction of the price of an Allen. Any "dirt" you can give me on them >would be much appreciated! Thansk! > > >Tyler W. Robertson    
(back) Subject: Baldwin vs. Allen From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:01:51 -0700   There's also the matter of availability of service and parts to be considered. Allen has been around for a very long time as electronic organ manufacturers go; they have a network of service techs rivalled only by Hammond in their "glory days." They are also still owned by the family that started the company in the late 1930s.   I have heard various stories about the availability of parts ... Allen DOES support any organ they ever built; they do NOT support the Gyro cabinets, but will furnish an electronic tremulant kit to replace them.   As I understand it, part of the problem with the availability of parts is not the fault of the other organ-makers ... IMPORTED parts are levied with a yearly inventory tax; it costs the technician or dealer money to maintain an inventory, once the price of the parts has been exceeded by the tax.   I would suggest obtaining a list of Baldwin and Allen installations in your area ... contact the churches and the organists DIRECTLY and ask THEM about reliability, durability, availability of service and parts, etc.; also, GO SEE AND HEAR FOR YOURSELF.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Rodgers Users Group Mail Server is DOWN. From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:56:50 -0400   First, if you have received this mailing and are not currently a = subscriber to the Rodgers Organ Users Group Discussion List, we apologize. The list = addresses have been reconstructed from mail files and may not be accurate.   If you do not wish to receive mail from the list email us right now at:   remove@frogmusic.com   and put REMOVE in the subject line. Your address will be removed from = this temporary list immediately and you will receive no more mail.     Freelists server in Indianapolis, Indiana, which provides our email = discussion list, was struck by lightning this Fourth of July weekend.   As they reconstruct, the list will be run through me, so please mail any = list mailings temporarily to:   list@frogmusic.com   Thank you all for your patience!     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa 423 887-7594 ------------------------------- frog music press, publishing MIDI music moderator, rodgers organ users group at www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:00:45 -0500   Why don't you consider a real organ? There are many different possibilities available. Se our website www.Redmanpipeorgans.com for examples. Roy Redman   Tyler Robertson wrote:   > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list and am looking for some information, or reviews > rather on electronic organs. Our organ committee will soon be viewing > both Baldwin ("church organ systems") and Allen three manual organs. I > have quite a bit of info on Allen organs, but have looked around a bit > for some on Baldwins. Aside from some obvious things I've noticed from > playing the Baldwin organs I would like some more specific information > on why they cost only a fraction of the price of an Allen. Any "dirt" > you can give me on them would be much appreciated! Thansk! > > > Tyler W. Robertson > Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, > Temple, TX > Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir > Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's Chorus > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. "Pipe Up > and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: > mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Sorry! From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:14:16 -0400   The lightning that struck the server in Indianapolis must have wiped out = some neurons in my brain.   Sorry about the post to this address, pipechatters.     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa 423 887-7594 ------------------------------- frog music press, publishing MIDI music moderator, rodgers organ users group at www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: RE: From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:16:17 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C34479.30542BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Tyler,   Personally, I would tell you to get neither and look at pipe organs, but I don't know if that is a possibility for your church. Remember, this is PIPEchat! There is another listserv dealing specifically with electrics. You may want to ask there.   Andrew Meagher -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Tyler Robertson Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:29 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject:     Hi everyone,   I'm new to the list and am looking for some information, or reviews = rather on electronic organs. Our organ committee will soon be viewing both = Baldwin ("church organ systems") and Allen three manual organs. I have quite a bit of info on Allen organs, but have looked around a bit for some on = Baldwins. Aside from some obvious things I've noticed from playing the Baldwin = organs I would like some more specific information on why they cost only a = fraction of the price of an Allen. Any "dirt" you can give me on them would be much appreciated! Thansk!     Tyler W. Robertson   Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, Temple, TX Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's Chorus     ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. "Pipe Up = and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C34479.30542BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Tyler,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Personally, I would tell you to get neither and look at pipe = =3D organs, but=3D20 I don't know if that is a possibility for your church.&nbsp; Remember, =3D this is=3D20 PIPEchat!&nbsp; There is another listserv dealing specifically with=3D20 electrics.&nbsp; You may want to ask there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Andrew=3D20 Meagher</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tyler=3D20 Robertson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 07, 2003 4:29 = AM<BR><B>To:</B>=3D20 pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> <BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <P>Hi everyone, </P> <P>I'm new to the list and am looking for some information, or reviews = =3D rather=3D20 on electronic organs. 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(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin vs. Allen From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:22:14 -0400   At 07:01 AM 2003-07-07 -0700, you wrote: >There's also the matter of availability of service and parts to be >considered. Allen has been around for a very long time as electronic = organ >manufacturers go; they have a network of service techs rivalled only by >Hammond in their "glory days." They are also still owned by the family >that started the company in the late 1930s. > >I have heard various stories about the availability of parts ... Allen >DOES support any organ they ever built; they do NOT support the Gyro >cabinets, but will furnish an electronic tremulant kit to replace them. > >As I understand it, part of the problem with the availability of parts is =   >not the fault of the other organ-makers ... IMPORTED parts are levied = with >a yearly inventory tax; it costs the technician or dealer money to >maintain an inventory, once the price of the parts has been exceeded by >the tax. > >I would suggest obtaining a list of Baldwin and Allen installations in >your area ... contact the churches and the organists DIRECTLY and ask = THEM >about reliability, durability, availability of service and parts, etc.; >also, GO SEE AND HEAR FOR YOURSELF. > >Cheers, > >Bud   Bud,   I don't know where you are located, but here in S. Ontario, there are a number of Allen techs, or at least so-called, and yet I get calls to do Allen service, and I am what you call competition. So I service about = half a dozen digitals from the late 70s to mid 80s models. Apparently, the service charges from some of these guys is so high, that Allen owners are frustrated, and look elsewhere. I serviced one organ for about $250 and the Allen tech quote was $1,300. All that was needed was a new 15" driver. The Allen tech said it needed to have the amp. re-built. I have = a number of other examples as well. Now my problem is that I CANNOT get factory support for their organs. There are a number of Allen organs that =   have been rather unreliable as well, and have had quite a number of visits =   from their service guys. So, what it boils down to, is yes, Allen does support their product, does build their product well, but out in the field =   they are costly to fix, sometimes very costly.   I don't understand this business about imported parts being levied. I can =   understand customs duties, etc. but not taxes on stuff sitting on the = shelf.   Local representation is important for support and service. Go and see for =   yourself is good advice, you may be surprised how good the Baldwin/COS sounds in comparison to an Allen.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: versets on the psalm-tones or the church modes? From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:39:58 -0300   Hi, Yes, I know the "Eight Short Preludes on Gregorian Themes for organ" op.=20 45, by Marcel Dupr=E9. (Summy Birchard INC, distributed by Warner Bros.=20 Publications) It contains, "Salve Regina" "Virgo dei Genitrix" "Pange Lingua" "Sacris Solemniis" ("Panis Angelicus") "Alma Redemptoris Mater" "Ave Verum Corpus" "Lauda Sion" "Verbum Supernum"("O Salutaris").   It's a simple but very nice pieces.   Regards, Domitila Ballesteros   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Does anyone know of collections of SHORT versets based either on the=20 > psalm-tones and/or the church modes? My chanter is complaining of the=20 > long Psalms during communion, and I'd like to break them up, but with=20 > something better than just my noodling around in Mode iv (grin). I=20 > have seen things like this over the years; I think I even owned some=20 > at one point; but they're long-gone and I can't remember what they=20 > were, or who wrote them. > > THANKS! > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:51:33 EDT     --part1_168.21264716.2c3aff15_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Tyler, Also consider the console layout, the available speakers, where the = keyboards lie in relationship to your body, and what the keys and action are made = of. If you do wind up getting an Allen, make sure the MIDI voices can be = coupled. I played an Allen MDS 8 for 6 months at a church and became very = aggravated because the MIDI voice I assigned to te swell, usually an 8' diapason, or = 8' hautbois, would not couple down to the great or the pedal, which is = especially frustrating when you are trying to play French music . Also-make sure the mixtures sound good. You may want to take a look look at the Organ = Clearing House's web site-I know they have a Hook and Hastings 2 manual on there = now, and a few other lovely old instruments. Let us know what you choose! Good Luck,   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>   --part1_168.21264716.2c3aff15_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Tyler,<BR> Also consider the console layout, the available speakers, where the = keyboard=3D s lie in relationship to your body, and what the keys and action are made = of=3D ..&nbsp; If you do wind up getting an Allen, make sure the MIDI voices can = be=3D coupled.&nbsp; I played an Allen MDS 8 for 6 months at a church and = became=3D20=3D very aggravated because the MIDI voice I assigned to te swell, usually an = 8'=3D diapason, or 8' hautbois, would not couple down to the great or the = pedal,=3D20=3D which is especially frustrating when you are trying to play French music . = A=3D lso-make sure the mixtures sound good.&nbsp; You may want to take a look = loo=3D k at the Organ Clearing House's web site-I know they have a Hook and = Hasting=3D s 2 manual on there now, and a few other <U>lovely </U>old = instruments.<BR> Let us know what you choose!<BR> Good Luck,&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Gregory Ceurvorst<BR> M.M. Organ Performance<BR> Northwestern University<BR> Organist and Director of Music<BR> St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL<BR> 815.756.6632-home<BR> 708.243.2549-cellular<BR> <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A></FONT></HTML>   --part1_168.21264716.2c3aff15_boundary--  
(back) Subject: My choir concert programme From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:32:53 +0100   Hello again!   Didn't get round to writing back yesterday as I was a bit busy with services and the like (including going on a hike, but that's another story!), but here, finally, is the programme for my choir concert:   People of God - Derek Fry Coventry Carol - trad. 15th C. Today the Virgin - John Tavener   [Clarinet and 'cello solo by two trebles]   Lord for thy tender mercy's sake - Farrant or Hilton God so loved the world - John Stainer Christ the Lord is risen again - John Rutter   [Violin and vocal solos by two more trebles]   Spiritus Domini super me - by me The Spirit's gift - Ian McKinley Litany to the Holy Spirit - Peter Hurford   [Interval with wine - always a good move in the church yard under the summer evening sun!]   Tantum ergo - Deodat de Severac Ave verum - W. A. Mozart   ['cello and violin solos by two more trebles]   Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis in D - Grayston Ives Save us O Lord - Edward Bairstow   [vocal solo and then an organ solo by me (Fantasia and Fugue in a minor - JSB)]   Psalm 23 - Howard Goodall (Yes, the Vicar of Dibley one...!)     Out of all of those, the trebles favourites were the Tavener and the McKinley, probably the most contemporary sounding two of the lot. They also said they liked mine too but I don't know if they were just being polite!   Incidentally, mine is available online to download for free if anyone wants a copy... go to http://members.sibeliusmusic.com/sbarker/ and then you can laugh at my picture too... lol!   Steve Canterbury uk     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: 06 July 2003 00:35 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: My choir concert   On 7/5/03 7:05 PM, "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:   > Still feeling on a high so wanted to share with someone!   Steve: What a pleasure to have that shared with us. I am also on ANOTHER list, whose members constantly reports on such events. And I know they mean well, both in performance and reportage--but it is so miserable, the JUNK they perpetrate on the kids, and on their audiences.   It is SO good, by contrast, to hear of a really worthwhile event, as yours obviously was. And if you'd like to expand, and give us more details, count on me as one listener who'll be glad to hear about it.   THANK you!   Alan   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Symphonies From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:35:54 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear Alan and List   The idea was quite simple: To write symphonies in great romantic style for organ instead for orchestra. Cesar Franck wrote the "Grand piece symphonique", which isn't an organ symphony as such but -it's said- gave origin to the flourishing developement. By lucky coincidence it was the = time when the "orchestral Organ" concept was 'in' and Aristide Cavaille-Coll built the best instruments of this genre- later called "french symphonic organ". Charles Marie Widor and Louis Vierne are considered THE Masters of the french organ symphony.   The average french solo organ symphony has four to six movements, but the sequence and style is free. Allegro - adagio - scherzo - adagio - Toccata = is only a typical example. Louis Vierne's First is: Prelude, Fugue, = Pastorale, Allegro vivace, Andante, Final (Toccata).-   This information is very, very "average", just to give a general idea... = the whole history is far more complex in details.   I want to take advantage of this to *congratulate* Jonathan for his = terrific job. I was astounded too about so many solo organ symphonies in existence. By the way, I was told that Vierne left an unconcluded *seventh* organ symphony... is this supported by recent researches or was it only a = "tale"?   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: RE: Carving a niche in history From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:38:34 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Colin Mitchell asked:   > All this made me think about casework generally, and > whether, in this day and age, organ builders have > in-house carvers or whether they call upon outside > artist/craftsmen.   This question matches with an interesting fact I discovered just in these days. At the inside of a Cavaille-Coll organ case I found a sticker: "Shipped by Buisine Rigot & sons - woodcarvers at Lille - [to] Msr. Cavaille-Coll - Avenue du maine 15 - Paris - on Paris, La Chapelle Train Station" (Originally written in french of course) I didn't know that the C-C factory outsourced organ cases... from our six oldies this is the only one where I found this sticker (completely = bleached out, half eaten away by insects; was a heck to decipher).   > Do any companies employ carvers these days?   Oberlinger bros. in Germany does, but I am not aware if they outsource big orders perhaps.   Just two pieces for the puzzle you are trying to put together :)   Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Symphonies From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:18:59 -0700       Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote: >=20 > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve >=20 > Dear Alan and List >=20 > The idea was quite simple: To write symphonies in great romantic style = for > organ instead for orchestra. Cesar Franck wrote the "Grand piece > symphonique", which isn't an organ symphony as such but -it's said- gav= e > origin to the flourishing developement. By lucky coincidence it was the= time > when the "orchestral Organ" concept was 'in' and Aristide Cavaille-Coll > built the best instruments of this genre- later called "french symphoni= c > organ". > Charles Marie Widor and Louis Vierne are considered THE Masters of the > french organ symphony. >=20 > The average french solo organ symphony has four to six movements, but t= he > sequence and style is free. Allegro - adagio - scherzo - adagio - Tocca= ta is > only a typical example. Louis Vierne's First is: Prelude, Fugue, Pastor= ale, > Allegro vivace, Andante, Final (Toccata).-   snip   This is not meant as a criticism of the above, or of organ Symphonies. However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called "Suites."   Del W. Case Pacific Union College Angwin, CA  
(back) Subject: Baldwin vs. Allen From: "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:41:51 -0500   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV></DIV> <P>Hey all, </P> <P>I appreciate your responses to my question thus far. Many people have = made comments about pipe organs and questioned why I wasn't looking at = those. I did want to clarify that we are looking for an electronic = instrument only to serve as an interim while we take extra time to locate = the right pipe organ builder. Thanks again for your comments, keep 'em = coming!<BR><BR><BR>Tyler W. Robertson </P> <DIV></DIV>Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist = Church, Temple, TX <DIV></DIV>Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir <DIV></DIV>Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's Chorus <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>The new <a = href=3D"http://g.msn.com/8HMJENUS/2737??PS=3D">MSN 8:</a> smart spam = protection and 2 months FREE* </html>  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell in Portland, Maine Tuesday July 8 From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:56:21 -0400   Also of note is the program Felix played Sunday at The Mary Keane Chapel, in Enfield, New Hampshire to an overflow crowd in very hot/humid conditions. It was excellent. I will not review it as Malcolm was also there and I defer to him.   I hope to some of you there too as I will also be in Portland for the recital.   Cheers, Mack   Rich Blacklock wrote:   >Tuesday, July 8, at 7:30 pm Felix Hell will perform on the Kotzschmar >Memorial Organ in Portland, Maine. > > >