PipeChat Digest #3792 - Tuesday, July 8, 2003
 
Re: Organ Symphonies
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re:
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Apologies, CROSS-POSTED.
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Baldwin vs. Allen(PIPE)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Organ Symphonies
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Carving a niche in history
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Organ Symphonies vs. "Suites"
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Organ Symphonies
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Organ Symphonies vs. "Suites"
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: Swedish composers
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Baldwin vs. Allen(PIPE)
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: Baldwin vs. Allen(PIPE)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Swedish composers
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organ Symphonies From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:04:40 EDT     --part1_78.433b3365.2c3b1e48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/7/2003 1:16:52 PM Central Daylight Time, = dcase@puc.edu writes:   > This is not meant as a criticism of the above, or of organ Symphonies. > However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called "Suites." >   Then the Messiaen Ascension count-ja?   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>   --part1_78.433b3365.2c3b1e48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 7/7/2003 1:16:52 PM Central = Dayligh=3D t Time, dcase@puc.edu writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This is not meant as a = criticis=3D m of the above, or of organ Symphonies.<BR> However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called "Suites."<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Then the Messiaen Ascension count-ja?<BR> <BR> Gregory Ceurvorst<BR> M.M. Organ Performance<BR> Northwestern University<BR> Organist and Director of Music<BR> St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL<BR> 815.756.6632-home<BR> 708.243.2549-cellular<BR> <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A></FONT></HTML>   --part1_78.433b3365.2c3b1e48_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:09:15 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01C34491.594756A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hey Andrew, ever read the footer at the bottom of each and every =3D Pipechat message???   "PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics"   Now, that does say pipe/digital organs and related topics, doesn't it =3D .......=3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: andrew meagher=3D20 To: 'PipeChat'=3D20 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: RE:=3D20     Tyler,   Personally, I would tell you to get neither and look at pipe organs, =3D but I don't know if that is a possibility for your church. Remember, =3D this is PIPEchat! There is another listserv dealing specifically with =3D electrics. You may want to ask there.   Andrew Meagher -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf = =3D Of Tyler Robertson Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:29 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject:=3D20     Hi everyone,=3D20   I'm new to the list and am looking for some information, or reviews = =3D rather on electronic organs. Our organ committee will soon be viewing =3D both Baldwin ("church organ systems") and Allen three manual organs. I =3D have quite a bit of info on Allen organs, but have looked around a bit =3D for some on Baldwins. Aside from some obvious things I've noticed from =3D playing the Baldwin organs I would like some more specific information =3D on why they cost only a fraction of the price of an Allen. Any "dirt" =3D you can give me on them would be much appreciated! Thansk!     Tyler W. Robertson=3D20   Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, =3D Temple, TX=3D20 Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir=3D20 Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's Chorus=3D20     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D --- Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. "Pipe =3D Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & = =3D related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: =3D mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org =3D Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org=3D20     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003 ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01C34491.594756A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hey Andrew, ever read the footer at = the =3D bottom of=3D20 each and every Pipechat message???</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;"PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; =3D related=3D20 topics"</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Now, that does say pipe/digital organs and related topics, doesn't = =3D it=3D20 .......&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dameagher@stny.rr.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:ameagher@stny.rr.com">andrew=3D20 meagher</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">'PipeChat'</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 07, 2003 =3D 10:16=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2>Tyler,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2>Personally, I would tell you to get neither and look at pipe = =3D organs,=3D20 but I don't know if that is a possibility for your church.&nbsp; =3D Remember,=3D20 this is PIPEchat!&nbsp; There is another listserv dealing specifically = =3D with=3D20 electrics.&nbsp; You may want to ask there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D984161515-07072003><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2>Andrew Meagher</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT = =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tyler=3D20 Robertson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 07, 2003 4:29 =3D AM<BR><B>To:</B>=3D20 pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> <BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <P>Hi everyone, </P> <P>I'm new to the list and am looking for some information, or =3D reviews=3D20 rather on electronic organs. Our organ committee will soon be =3D viewing both=3D20 Baldwin ("church organ systems")&nbsp;and Allen three manual organs. = =3D I have=3D20 quite a bit of info on Allen organs, but have looked around a bit =3D for some=3D20 on Baldwins. Aside from some obvious things I've noticed from =3D playing the=3D20 Baldwin organs I would like some more specific information on why =3D they cost=3D20 only a fraction of the price of an Allen. Any "dirt" you can give me = =3D on them=3D20 would be much appreciated! Thansk!<BR><BR><BR>Tyler W. Robertson =3D </P> <DIV></DIV>Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist = =3D Church,=3D20 Temple, TX=3D20 <DIV></DIV>Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir=3D20 <DIV></DIV>Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's = Chorus=3D20 <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR clear=3D3Dall> <HR> Tired of spam? Get <A =3D href=3D3D"http://g.msn.com/8HMLENUS/2734??PS=3D3D">advanced=3D20 junk mail protection</A> with MSN 8. "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" =3D PipeChat: A=3D20 discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics =3D HOMEPAGE :=3D20 http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org =3D Administration:=3D20 mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:=3D20 mailto:requests@pipechat.org </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.<BR>Checked by = =3D AVG=3D20 anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D   6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date:=3D20 7/4/2003</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01C34491.594756A0--    
(back) Subject: Apologies, CROSS-POSTED. From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:34:41 -0400   As I said earlier, in the effort to reconstruct a mailing list (required = due to a direct lightning strike on a server in Indiana), I totally failed to = keep PIPORG and PIPECHAT off the list... Totally my fault. I am getting = messages from both lists from people who missed my almost immediate repost = explaining my stupid error.   It was piporg and pipechat that was mailed to, not your personal email addresses. Have no fear, your address was not added to the great mailing = list in the sky...back to orging and chatting.   -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa 423 887-7594 ------------------------------- frog music press, publishing MIDI music moderator, rodgers organ users group at www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin vs. Allen(PIPE) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:56:50 EDT     --part1_162.22eb368c.2c3b3892_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey Brad:   Now you have peeked my interest. What or who is the right builder to build your pipe organ? Do you play an eclectic round of the liturature, or do you specialize in one or another genre specifically. Is service playing, and choral work important, liturgical or not? Is your dream organ tracker or electric actioned of one sort or another. How many stops and manuals will you need, and are sub and super couplers important? Do you veer toward any partcular national schools of organ voicing such as American, French, English, German/Dutch north or south, Italian, Spanish etc.? All this needs to be taken into consideration, as well as congregational needs, and future organists. Is midi play back system an important feature, or multiple memories desireable?   COS and Gallanti offer the organist the right to voice each stop themselves and save the results without needing a lap top computer and an organ tech to do the job. They offer period temperments as well as equal for early music. An interim organ doesn't have to be the most expensive, and can later go into a chapel for small services or as a second organ for those Soler duo Concertos.   All the best.   Ron Severin   --part1_162.22eb368c.2c3b3892_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hey Brad:<BR> <BR> Now you have peeked my interest. What or who is the right<BR> builder to build your pipe organ? Do you play an eclectic round<BR> of the liturature, or do you specialize in one or another genre<BR> specifically. Is service playing, and choral work important,<BR> liturgical or not? Is your dream organ tracker or electric<BR> actioned of one sort or another. How many stops and manuals<BR> will you need, and are sub and super couplers important?<BR> Do you veer toward any partcular national schools of organ<BR> voicing&nbsp; such as American, French, English, German/Dutch<BR> north or south, Italian, Spanish etc.? All this needs to be taken<BR> into consideration, as well as congregational needs, and <BR> future organists. Is midi play back system an important feature,<BR> or multiple memories desireable?<BR> <BR> COS and Gallanti offer the organist the right to voice each stop<BR> themselves and save the results without needing a lap top <BR> computer and an organ tech to do the job. They offer period<BR> temperments as well as equal for early music. An interim<BR> organ doesn't have to be the most expensive, and can later go<BR> into a chapel for small services or as a second organ for those<BR> Soler duo Concertos.<BR> <BR> All the best.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_162.22eb368c.2c3b3892_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Symphonies From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:03:59 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3140442239_3621141 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   On 7/7/03 3:04 PM, "Gfc234@aol.com" <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote:   >> This is not meant as a criticism of the above, or of organ Symphonies. >> However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called "Suites." >> > > Then the Messiaen Ascension count-ja?   I think Del has a Case. And, depending on a clear definition, which may = be forthcoming, sure, on Messiaen, why not?   Alan   --B_3140442239_3621141 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Organ Symphonies</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 7/7/03 3:04 PM, = &quot;Gfc234@aol.com&quot; =3D &lt;Gfc234@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT = FACE=3D3D"Arial">This is no=3D t meant as a criticism of the above, or of organ Symphonies.<BR> However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called = &quot;Suites.&qu=3D ot;<BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"><BR> Then the Messiaen Ascension count-ja?<BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> I think Del has a Case. &nbsp;&nbsp;And, depending on a clear definition, = w=3D hich may be forthcoming, sure, on Messiaen, why not?<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3140442239_3621141--    
(back) Subject: Re: Carving a niche in history From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:22:01 EDT     --part1_135.224b354e.2c3b3e79_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Andres:   A lot of case carving work can now be done quickly and cheaply using laser equipment. They take minutes to do rather than days, weeks or months. The equipment is expensive, but if you make a lot of pipe shades for cases, it's cheap enough. The operator uses CADD to set up the cuts. A person close by me has a small unit to burn in fancy script on drawknobs, which he does a lot of. That's David Harris in Whittier, CA. Wood draw knobs and rocker tabs are big now with some organists. Having said that, some prefer the old tried and true skills. It would be nice on any given day to be able to cut out standard wooden keyboards in just a couple of minutes. :)   Ron   --part1_135.224b354e.2c3b3e79_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Andres:<BR> <BR> A lot of case carving work can now be done quickly and cheaply<BR> using laser equipment. They take minutes to do rather than<BR> days, weeks or months. The equipment is expensive, but if you make a <BR> lot of pipe shades for cases, it's cheap enough. The operator uses<BR> CADD to set up the cuts. A person close by me has a small unit<BR> to burn in fancy script on drawknobs, which he does a lot of.<BR> That's David Harris in Whittier, CA. Wood draw knobs and<BR> rocker tabs are big now with some organists. Having said that,<BR> some prefer the old tried and true skills. It would be nice on any<BR> given day to be able to cut out standard wooden keyboards in just<BR> a couple of minutes. :)<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_135.224b354e.2c3b3e79_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Symphonies vs. "Suites" From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:38:27 -0400   In a message dated 7/7/2003 1:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, = dcase@puc.edu writes:   > This is not meant as a criticism of the above, or of organ Symphonies. > However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called > "Suites."   I do not disagree, necessarilly, but hoped for a statement of the reason = behind your opinion. What distinction are you making between the two = musical forms, SYMPHONY vs SUITE?   Dale G. Rider Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Symphonies From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:22:51 EDT     --part1_164.22e98496.2c3b5acb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Alan: I think Del has a Case. =3DA0=3DA0And, depending on a clear definition, = which ma=3D y be=3D20 forthcoming, sure, on Messiaen, why not?       After all-Messiaen studied with Dupre, and Dupre with Widor, etc... = The=3D20 symphonic style of playing, improvising, registration, and composing = certain=3D ly=3D20 carries through. This could get way too philosopical- LOL=3D20   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>   --part1_164.22e98496.2c3b5acb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0"><U>Alan:<BR> I think Del has a Case. =3DA0=3DA0And, depending on a clear definition, = which ma=3D y be forthcoming, sure, on Messiaen, why not?</U><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> <BR> After all-Messiaen studied with Dupre, and Dupre with Widor, etc...&nbsp; = Th=3D e symphonic style of playing, improvising, registration, and composing = certa=3D inly carries through.&nbsp; This could get way too philosopical- LOL <BR> <BR> Gregory Ceurvorst<BR> M.M. Organ Performance<BR> Northwestern University<BR> Organist and Director of Music<BR> St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL<BR> 815.756.6632-home<BR> 708.243.2549-cellular<BR> <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A></FONT></HTML>   --part1_164.22e98496.2c3b5acb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Symphonies vs. "Suites" From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:26:19 -0700 (PDT)   Please take this with as many grains of salt as your diet allows--   I thought musically speaking, Sonatas, Concerti, Symphonies were all manifestations Suites, with Concerti and Symphonies typically (but not always) having a stylized form (a crude example for a Concerto would be three movements demonstrating dialogue between solo and tutti; various movement tempi being Fast, Slow, Fast respectively).   Another way to put it is all Concerti are Suites, but not all Suites are Concerti.   Notable exceptions to orchestral Symphonies that break the typical rules:   * Saint-Saens Organ Symphony #3-- only two "movements" * Tchaikovsky Symphony #6, "Pathetique"-- atypical movement tempi   FWIW & IMHO, and in my ignorance (smiling broadly)-- Given that the many Organ Symphonies don't follow the Orchestral style, I'd nominate that the Rheinberger Sonatas be included in the list of solo Organ Symphonies.   -Bill     --- ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/7/2003 1:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dcase@puc.edu writes: > > > This is not meant as a criticism of the above, or of organ > Symphonies. > > However, they could, perhaps, be more appropriately called > > "Suites." > > I do not disagree, necessarilly, but hoped for a statement of > the reason behind your opinion. What distinction are you > making between the two musical forms, SYMPHONY vs SUITE? > > Dale G. Rider > Independence, MO > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Swedish composers From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:03:42 -0500       Josiah Armes wrote:   > The list has been very helpful to me. I am also considering getting = some > Swedish sheet music. > > What are some good Baroque composers from Sweden or Denmark?   Buxtehude, of course, was Danish.   I think the most promising place to start your explorations is with the Swedish and Danish Music Information Centers.   ns      
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin vs. Allen(PIPE) From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:37:16 -0400   From: RonSeverin@aol.com <What or who is the rightbuilder to build your pipe organ? ---snip- -- All this needs to be taken into consideration, as well as congregational needs, and future organists.   I really wonder about taking in the desires of "future organists". I've yet to play an instrument that I felt the previous organists/instrument planners gave a hoot about my desires. IF they had there would be smallish, unequal temperament organs all over the place without pistons or adjustable benches!! ;-)   The main thing to be considered is the integrity of the instrument and if it can do ITS job well and does it properly represent the work of its builder. If a church does alot of CCM/contemporary praze dittioids, then this needn't be reflected in the design of the organ, but rather in the design of the choir loft, with adequate space left for multiple audio and power outlets. An organ should certainly not be expected to do EVERYTHING, much less EVERYTHING WELL.   I really enjoy the 3/44 Casavant in the Baptist church I serve. It is designed with integrity for the most part, and it's only failings are the gross compromises, which (bless 'em) Casavant did so well they are indispensible. The most outstanding of these is the Gemshorn and Celeste in the Swell which replace a string/celeste. The Gemshorn/Celeste are almost a "whisper" stop, but I wouldn't trade them for anything. I just use the organ to do what it does best. It's wonderful.   The most important aspect of organ building/planning is usually the most neglected. That is INTEGRITY OF DESIGN.... at least IMNSHO! ;-)     Bruce Cornely and the Baskerbeagles in the Muttastery of HowlingAcres: http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Click to help some animals: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D308025421         ________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for viruses.      
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin vs. Allen(PIPE) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:06:26 EDT     --part1_134.2255ca1c.2c3b8f32_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well Bruce:   I think you just run over yourself a bit. You are right about one thing, The CCM nonsense. An organ does need soft, mp, mf and big stops. The stop list needs to make sense for most things, and if designed right can play most music styles well. Special care must be taken with mixtures, mutations, reeds, etc. I've seen some real messes that sort of look good on paper. I'll bet you've played some of them, as I have. I make a rule, no party horn until everything else is there to support it. I like strings, celestes, open harmonic flutes, good stopped flutes, and a grand diapason chorus, and a good pedal foundation to support it all, and a big string on the great. I tend to go toward the French side of things. It doesn't have to be north german to be good.   Ron   --part1_134.2255ca1c.2c3b8f32_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Well Bruce:<BR> <BR> I think you just run over yourself a bit. You are right about one = thing,<BR> The CCM nonsense. An organ does need soft, mp, mf and big stops.<BR> The stop list needs to make sense for most things, and if designed<BR> right can play most music styles well. Special care must be taken<BR> with mixtures, mutations, reeds, etc. I've seen some real messes<BR> that sort of look good on paper. I'll bet you've played some of them,<BR> as I have. I make a rule, no party horn until everything else is there<BR> to support it. I like strings, celestes, open harmonic flutes, good<BR> stopped flutes, and a grand diapason chorus, and a good pedal<BR> foundation to support it all, and a big string on the great. I tend to<BR> go toward the French side of things. It doesn't have to be north = german<BR> to be good.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_134.2255ca1c.2c3b8f32_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Swedish composers From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:16:39 -0500     I wrote:   > I think the most promising place to start your explorations is with the > Swedish   <http://www.hitfacts.com/avd/mic/prod/micnews.nsf/Web/EngFront?readForm>   > and Danish Music Information Centers.   <http://www.mic.dk>   ns