PipeChat Digest #3797 - Wednesday, July 9, 2003
 
electric organs
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Bread and breads
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Warped visions, warped trackers
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
Re: electric organs
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
Re: Warped visions, warped trackers
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Warped visions, warped trackers
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Warped visions, warped trackers
  by <lindr@cch.com>
15-year-old Schudi
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: electric organs
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: electric organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Bread and breads
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Warped visions, warped trackers
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
32's a requirement?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Bread and breads
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: 15-year-old Schudi
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Warped visions, warped trackers
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
WEDNESDAY chat on IRC, if anybody's interested
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: electric organs From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:32:27 -0400   Could we please stop discussing electric organs in this form? It is PIPEchat. There is another listserv specifically for electrics. This = list only deals with pipe organs. I really don't wanna talk about toasters.   Andrew Meagher    
(back) Subject: Re: Bread and breads From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:35:43 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3140616943_6847680 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 7/9/03 4:51 PM, "Keys4bach@aol.com" <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote:   > In a message dated 7/9/2003 1:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes: >=3D20 > But then I once heard of a church that used Kool-Aid, but let=3DB9s not = get i=3D nto > THAT!) =3D20 >=3D20 > Alan =3D20 >=3D20 > We had Oreo and milk day for racial awareness Sunday.... >=3D20 > =3D80=3D80=3D80Somehow, I=3DB9m sure I want to know what you folks do on = Gay Pride Sunday=3D .. > =3DB3Oreo and milk.=3DB2 Well, OK. I don=3DB9t want to know the name = of your parish=3D , but > would I be out of line to inquire the denomination? >=3D20 > Love the idea of changing bread . . . . have gluten allergy but does not = =3D stop > me from Krsipy Kremes or Dunkin Donuts so a piece of it during communion = =3D would > not kill me so to speak. >=3D20 > =3D80=3D80=3D80Well, I certainly hope NOT, Dale. >=3D20 > My best to you, >=3D20 > Alan >=3D20 >=3D20     --B_3140616943_6847680 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Bread and breads</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 7/9/03 4:51 PM, = &quot;Keys4bach@aol.com&quo=3D t; &lt;Keys4bach@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">In a message dated = 7/9/2003=3D 1:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:<BR> <BR> But then I once heard of a church that used Kool-Aid, but let&#8217;s not = g=3D et into THAT!) &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"><BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">We had Oreo and milk day for = racial awa=3D reness Sunday....<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80Somehow, I&#8217;m sure I want to know what you folks do on = Gay Pride Su=3D nday. &nbsp;&#8220;Oreo and milk.&#8221; &nbsp;Well, OK. &nbsp;I = don&#8217;t=3D want to know the name of your parish, but would I be out of line to = inquire=3D the denomination? &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Love the idea of changing bread . . . . have gluten allergy but does not = st=3D op me from Krsipy Kremes or Dunkin Donuts so a piece of it during = communion =3D would not kill me so to speak.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80Well, I certainly hope NOT, Dale.<BR> <BR> My best to you,<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3140616943_6847680--    
(back) Subject: Re: Warped visions, warped trackers From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:55:48 -0500   For those of you who will look at my name and go, "HUH?" - this is my = first posting:   Maybe its best to list some, or the main facts leading up to the demise of =   the instrument, when naming names.   Was the climate poor, any self-proclaimed "pipe organ technicians" get at it?. Was it not well maintained on a regular basis? Did it sustain any damage that was not reported, or did it slowly succumb to the elements of time? And was anything learned from the experience by the builder or = church?   When Tyler says that it needed to be replaced. Which part? the whole = thing? The pipes, the chest. Was it voicing issues? Or was it built poorly in the =   first place?   I remember a tracker installation in the Northern WI (no names mentioned - =   it was one of his first installations). The builder was in there seemingly =   on a weekly basis, tinkering with it. One obvious problem was the = regualtion of the wind pressure, which varied widely by the number of stops and the amount of coupling and chords that were played. But the architecture was fantastic and everything was mechanically sound.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   >Tyler Robertson wrote: > >We have been trying to get a new pipe organ in our building for >the past seven years.     Our last organ was a II/26 Schudi built in 1983.   _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail    
(back) Subject: Re: electric organs From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:57:48 -0500   It's funny you say that. Because in the signature of the email reads:   PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI     >From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: electric organs >Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:32:27 -0400 > >Could we please stop discussing electric organs in this form? It is >PIPEchat. There is another listserv specifically for electrics. This = list >only deals with pipe organs. I really don't wanna talk about toasters. > >Andrew Meagher > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Warped visions, warped trackers From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:05:51 EDT   How many 32' stops are required for the Methodist worship service?  
(back) Subject: Re: Warped visions, warped trackers From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:11:56 EDT     --part1_154.21320c6e.2c3ded2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/9/2003 5:06:49 PM Central Daylight Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:   > How many 32' stops are required for the Methodist worship service?   or any for that matter.   --part1_154.21320c6e.2c3ded2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 7/9/2003 5:06:49 PM Central = Dayligh=3D t Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">How many 32' stops are = required=3D for the Methodist worship service?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> or any for that matter.<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_154.21320c6e.2c3ded2c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Warped visions, warped trackers From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:15:01 -0500           At least two, I'd think: A Bourdon under the strings during boring = pastoral prayers; a Bombarde to match the Tuba Magna in the Questwerk. Or is this a trick question?   Bob Lind     Tuba Magna asks:     How many 32' stops are required for the Methodist worship service?      
(back) Subject: 15-year-old Schudi From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:17:58 EDT   We cannot judge what may, or may not, have happened to the organ at = the church in question before the arrival of the incumbent. No details were given. None. Was it the organ, or the organist, that needed replacement? With all = due respect, there are occasions when a fine pipe organ project is disrupted, destroyed, or derailed by the organist. Such situations range from the = organist misleading the bidders into thinking that the project has an enormous = budget, forcing them to design organs of unrealistic scope and cost. These fantasy =   projects force the entire process to shut down when the church authorities = see the bids. Other times, a new organist can come in and completely destroy the musical future of the church by deciding that the entire organ is = completely unsalvageable, even though several competent builders have told him or her = that they can save tens of thousands, if not six figures, by quarrying the present = organ for revoicable pipework. One established, respected organbuilder in this forum has already indicated that the church has asked him for a serious bid. Since he has = devoted his life to organbuilding and conservation, he will hopefully be allowed to = proceed.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: electric organs From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:22:38 -0500   At 5:32 PM -0400 7/9/03, andrew meagher wrote: >Could we please stop discussing electric organs in this form? It is >PIPEchat. There is another listserv specifically for electrics. This = list >only deals with pipe organs. I really don't wanna talk about toasters. > >Andrew Meagher > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Andrew   If you read the footer that is at the bottom of every message from this list you will see that it says:   "PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics"   Digital instruments are on topic for this list. This list does not deal exclusively with Pipe organs. And yes, there is a "sister" list to this on called EORG-L which sometimes also gets into discussion of pipe organs and as Administrator of that I don't stop that discussion either.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: electric organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:30:20 -0700   Once again I refer you to the statement in the sig line:   "PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs and related topics"   It's right down there, in black and white, at the foot of every message.   Use your delete key.   Bud   andrew meagher wrote: > Could we please stop discussing electric organs in this form? It is > PIPEchat. There is another listserv specifically for electrics. This = list > only deals with pipe organs. I really don't wanna talk about toasters. > > Andrew Meagher > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: RE: Bread and breads From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:37:33 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   --Boundary_(ID_kPAlATFKKN4JKiD+r/6lSQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   When I was a little girl growing up in the Southern Baptist church, we had a lady of the church who made the unleavened bread for the communion service (held once every month with five Sundays, whether you needed it or not). She made these flat gelatinous loaves that were scored for easy breaking into small squares. Of course we had Welch's grape juice too.     A friend and I would go beg the leftover bread after communion because it was good - sort of a pre-pita bread for an unsophisticated Scotch-Irish Protestant girl who never had real pizza (other than Chef Boyardee) until she was about 9 yoa, and it was covered with cheddar and American cheese!     The wafers served in most churches nowadays have an extremely thin cardboard texture and taste, and are round. You know, they might work for that repair job for which you all were touting toothpicks; then again, maybe not.     Glenda Sutton   gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:43 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Bread and breads     On 7/9/03 12:46 PM, "Keys4bach@aol.com" <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote:   In a message dated 7/9/2003 10:20:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   What on earth is a "fake wafer"?   Dale responds:   anything that is not real BREAD--in our case it is a pre formed wafer that remind me of Pringles without the flavor.....   dale     Oh, OK, I get it. You describe it vividly enough! Yeccch!           --Boundary_(ID_kPAlATFKKN4JKiD+r/6lSQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <title>Re: Bread and breads</title>   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Footlight MT Light"; panose-1:2 4 6 2 6 3 10 2 3 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Colonna MT"; panose-1:4 2 8 5 6 2 2 3 2 3;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoEnvelopeReturn, li.MsoEnvelopeReturn, div.MsoEnvelopeReturn {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Footlight MT Light";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; 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sort of a pre-pita bread = for an unsophisticated Scotch-Irish Protestant girl who never had real pizza = (other than Chef Boyardee) until she was about 9 yoa, and it was covered with = cheddar and American cheese!</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The wafers served in most churches nowadays have an extremely thin cardboard texture and taste, and are = round.&nbsp; You know, they might work for that repair job for which you all were = touting toothpicks; then again, maybe not.</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <div>   <p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Colonna = MT"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Colonna = MT";color:blue'>Glenda</span></font><font color=3Dblue face=3D"Colonna MT"><span style=3D'font-family:"Colonna = MT";color:blue'> Sutton</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Colonna = MT"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Colonna = MT";color:blue'>gksjd85@direcway.com</span></font></p>   </div>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On = Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Freed<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 09, = 2003 12:43 PM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PipeChat<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Bread and = breads</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left: ..5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 7/9/03 12:46 PM, &quot;Keys4bach@aol.com&quot; &lt;Keys4bach@aol.com&gt; = wrote:</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In a message dated 7/9/2003 10:20:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:<br> <br> &nbsp;What on earth is a &#8220;fake wafer&#8221;?<br> <br> Dale responds:<br> <br> anything that is not real BREAD--in our case it is a pre formed wafer that remind me of Pringles without the flavor.....<br> <br> dale </span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left: ..5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br> Oh, OK, I get it. &nbsp;You describe it vividly enough! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeccch! &nbsp;<br> <br> <br> </span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   --Boundary_(ID_kPAlATFKKN4JKiD+r/6lSQ)--  
(back) Subject: RE: Warped visions, warped trackers From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:37:33 -0500   None, unless the 32' can double as the grape juice dispenser.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     Tuba Magna asks:   How many 32' stops are required for the Methodist worship service?            
(back) Subject: 32's a requirement? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:47:40 -0700   At LEAST one (grin).   See, you couple all the strings and celestes together at 16-8-4, put on the 32' Bourdon, and solo out "Sweet Hour of Prayer" on a lovely 8' flute with tremulant ... guaranteed to raise the collection by at LEAST 15% (chuckle).   Bud, who does it occasionally in the ANGLICAN Church, and has NO shame (grin).   Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/9/2003 5:06:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > TubaMagna@aol.com writes: > >> How many 32' stops are required for the Methodist worship service? > > > > or any for that matter.        
(back) Subject: Re: Bread and breads From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:50:46 -0700   Um, the nuns pulverize the "leavings" from the waffle irons they use to make the wafers and sell it as FISH FOOD ... true story (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote: > When I was a little girl growing up in the Southern Baptist church, we > had a lady of the church who made the unleavened bread for the communion =   > service (held once every month with five Sundays, whether you needed it > or not). She made these flat gelatinous loaves that were scored for > easy breaking into small squares. Of course we had Welch?s grape juice > too. > > > > A friend and I would go beg the leftover bread after communion because > it was good ? sort of a pre-pita bread for an unsophisticated > Scotch-Irish Protestant girl who never had real pizza (other than Chef > Boyardee) until she was about 9 yoa, and it was covered with cheddar and =   > American cheese! > > > > The wafers served in most churches nowadays have an extremely thin > cardboard texture and taste, and are round. You know, they might work > for that repair job for which you all were touting toothpicks; then > again, maybe not. > > > > Glenda Sutton > > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Alan Freed > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:43 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Bread and breads > > > > On 7/9/03 12:46 PM, "Keys4bach@aol.com" <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 7/9/2003 10:20:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes: > > What on earth is a ?fake wafer?? > > Dale responds: > > anything that is not real BREAD--in our case it is a pre formed wafer > that remind me of Pringles without the flavor..... > > dale > > > Oh, OK, I get it. You describe it vividly enough! Yeccch! > >        
(back) Subject: Re: 15-year-old Schudi From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:48:42 -0500   Thanks for the compliment Seb., but I think you misread my post. I said I = had been contacted by the church and had offered to make a proposal. My offer has = NOT been accepted. The whole story on this situation is not being told, and I do = not feel at liberty to say more. I am sure I do not know the whole story. Suffice it = to say that there seems to be a problem with a rebuild which is underway. You can = guess the rest. It is unfortunate indeed that the reputation of pipe organs is degraded by = these situations. Roy   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > We cannot judge what may, or may not, have happened to the organ at = the > church in question before the arrival of the incumbent. > No details were given. > None. > Was it the organ, or the organist, that needed replacement? With all = due > respect, there are occasions when a fine pipe organ project is = disrupted, > destroyed, or derailed by the organist. Such situations range from the = organist > misleading the bidders into thinking that the project has an enormous = budget, > forcing them to design organs of unrealistic scope and cost. These = fantasy > projects force the entire process to shut down when the church = authorities see the > bids. > Other times, a new organist can come in and completely destroy the > musical future of the church by deciding that the entire organ is = completely > unsalvageable, even though several competent builders have told him or = her that they > can save tens of thousands, if not six figures, by quarrying the present = organ > for revoicable pipework. > One established, respected organbuilder in this forum has already > indicated that the church has asked him for a serious bid. Since he has = devoted his > life to organbuilding and conservation, he will hopefully be allowed to = proceed. > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Warped visions, warped trackers From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:54:56 -0400         TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > How many 32' stops are required for the Methodist worship service? >   Though I am Congregational, we have ties to the Methodists, so perhaps this qualifies me to comment (even though one of us trespasses, and one of us debts). At least 10 ranks of 32's are the norm, and some have many more. We depend on the low frequency vibration to align our soul and spirit with the heavens, and it works great for keeping us regular as well. The ecumenical council has made some recent suggestions about adding ranks in the 16' and 8' range, but this has met with strong resistance from the general congregation, who insist they mainly come to church to get a buzz. Our straight 32' pipe organs do limit the type of literature that can be played upon them, but this becomes a moot point when one experiences the dynamic visual impact of a forest of 32' pipes scattered throughout the sanctuary, and feels the visceral sensation as one absorbs the sound waves coming up through the unpadded hardwood pews mounted on the marble floors, and surrounded by the granite walls and roof. With reverberation times hovering in the 10 minute range, we greatly benefit from the multiple groups of sound waves that seems to ebb and flow, but all the while complimenting each other. It's also great for the organist who can stop playing 10 minutes before the end of the service, and be on his way to his next Sunday morning gig. So, although I cannot speak for all the Methodists, our partnership in the United Church of Christ guarantees the perpetuation of the 32' organ tradition. We leave those organs with their screeching mixtures, abundant cymbals, and all those funny shaped reeds, to those who find the need to get God's attention at the treble end of the compass. For the Methodists, and those embarrassing the Protestant community, our base is our BASS.   Churlishly Submitted Mike ( whose pain meds are kicking in nicely, and giving said warped visions)    
(back) Subject: WEDNESDAY chat on IRC, if anybody's interested From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:01:29 -0700   Since it's summer-time and the livin' is easy (grin) ... I don't have to see a choir until SEPTEMBER ... I'll be on at 6 p.m. U.S. Eastern time.   Cheers,   Bud