PipeChat Digest #3805 - Thursday, July 10, 2003
 
Re: RC "cantors"
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: RE pig stomach (was: OHS 2003, First Full Day - VERY LONG)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
RE:RC "cantors"
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
Fr. Rossini
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Fr. Rossini
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
20th century trumpet and organ music
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: RC "cantors"
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
Re: RE pig stomach (was: OHS 2003, First Full Day - VERY LONG)
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: RC "cantors"
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: RC "cantors" From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:10:38 EDT     --part1_a7.33e88eca.2c3f769e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello all   I have read with great interest the articles coming forth today regarding Roman Catholic cantors. As many of you know, I have been rather silent = the past year or two on the lists, but now and again a topic comes up that I wish = to contribute to.   From my own experience as a life long Roman Catholic, cantors can do as = much bad as good, if not more. My first exposure to a cantor was as a very = young child when I saw a young lady with a guitar strapped around her neck = leading singing from the lectern while the pipe organ sat silent in the gallery. = We all know the story and what happened during the intervening years because it didn't just happen in my parish. Today, 30 years later, the pipe organ = still sits in the 75-seat choir gallery, silent a majority of the time, while an old Allen accompanies the choir who sings from haphazard risers and folding = chairs in the front right corner of the church (obscuring the massive marble St. = Joseph altar along with other various saints and votive candle stands. The Tabernacle has been ripped out of its central prominence immediately = behind the high altar in the center of the Sanctuary and put on the opposite side, near = the Blessed Mother altar. But, that is the not the topic of this thread.   Too many cantors are there for their own gratification and spotlight. = It's that simple. They don't care about leading, they want to be heard and = seen. That's it. Been there, done that, seen it, heard it time and time again. = I have even worked with cantors whom I have had to gently threaten to take = off the roster of cantors if they did not back off the mic and remember that the ORGAN leads the singing, NOT them. Their purpose is to lend SUPPORT to = the singing, not to scream at everyone at such sonic oppressiveness that = people close their hymnals in disgust and stand there for the rest of the Mass with = their arms folded and lips clenched tightly shut.   At my church, there is an obtrusive and rather unattractive silver = gooseneck microphone holder bolted to the lectern from which the cantors sing. The = Ambo (pulpit), however, has a very nice black microphone with a discreet and = thin shaft. It mounts to the Ambo, has a bit of black flexible material, then = a longer solid pole, then yet another small section of black flexible = material, after which is the very small mic head. Wonderful mics indeed and not = obtrusive and ugly! I have seen churches with very short versions of this latter microphone that are merely a few inches long, ie: no longer than 5" or 6". = As soon as I can find one I am replacing the huge silver gooseneck on the lectern with one of these. At that point, my self-appointed divas will no longer = be able to twist it and pull it right up to their mouths in an effort to further = hear themselves bellow louder than the organ and the rest of the congregation. =   Yes they actually do that, even when I have physically set the mic a = certain way! The second I walk off and get upstairs, crunch, crank, crunch, tap = tap tap, "testing testing," tap tap, "testing," there they go! Translation: "here = I am! Listen to me! I am so great and so important! Here I am! Take note! = We are not here to worship, we are here to listen to ME! HELLO????? HERE I AM!" (Don't you all just LOVE self appointed sound experts?)   At every church I have served I have adjusted the sound system so that it = is more of an acoustic sound rather than an assault ion the ears of the congregation (and me for that matter). And, watch out folks- the SECOND = the diva cantors can't hear themselves ringing out above heaven and earth, the = organ gets blamed for being too loud. Mark my words!   Depending on the acoustics of a given space of course, a sound system = should enhance the voice to the point of greater clarity than the sound without = use of a mic. This does NOT mean an assault on the ears of those present in the congregation. The properly adjusted system should not draw attention to = itself but should enhance the voice just enough to make listening effortless and = the words clear. It should NOT sound like the announcer at a local basketball =   game or a concert in the local coliseum. Some cantors are so vain and egotistical that if they can't hear themselves blasting in their OWN face, = despite the fact that the nearest speaker might be a good 30'-40' away, they blame the =   sound system and the organ.   Another ploy is for the cantors to constantly browbeat me with reports of = the numerous compliments they get on their beautiful singing and then continue =   with "and I think that my ministry..." (yeah right) "...would be even = more effective if I could be heard more over the organ." Get the point, dear colleagues? I am sure you all have experience something like this at some = point or another. Then, the one that really takes the cake are the ones who have = some musical training, like to cantor but don't like the fact that they too are = to be led by the organ. Their usual opening statements are something like "I = know you're the expert and you know FAR more about organ playing than I ever = will, but...do you think you could tone down the organ when I am singing?" Well =   kiddies, I think that says it all. The prosecution rests.   Regarding cantorial "gestures," I personally do not care for them. = However, I also believe that they can be done with grace and elegance without being =   overly flamboyant. Gestures are not necessary, but can help in certain situations. It depends on the parish, acoustics and worship space I = believe.   Vested cantors? (For those who don't know, that means in robes). I like = the idea and find it highly complimentary Liturgically as well as rather = elegant. Vested cantors indeed add a touch of class to the liturgical leadership. = My choir is vested (at the pastor's request!) and we are in the rear gallery. = Despite the fact that we are not the most visible, I really like that and = feel that it truly does make a statement! I have even seen parishes where the Eucharistic Ministers vest in albs prior to the distribution of Holy = Communion (but that's another list and topic).   I also wish to address the comments made by the gentleman attending Notre Dame. Bud does not owe ANYONE an apology for ANYTHING. He is totally = correct and right on the money with the comments he made regardless of the = denomination he currently plays for. Bud has always been one of the most informative, knowledgeable and correct people on these lists and I value each and every = bit of wisdom he has so graciously shared with us through the years.   In my own training and in my own honest opinion, the role of the cantor is = as follows:   1. to announce hymns (in absence of service leaflets and hymnboards) 2. to invite the people gathered into the worship and singing 3. to lend support to congregational singing while the organ leads 4. to serve and to support, not to spotlight and/or hear themselves   I realize some of you might disagree. That's fine too. The readings and actions at the Altar are the central focal point of the liturgy, the music =   compliments and supports those readings and actions.   And it's very simple: the more the cantors scream and bellow to high = heaven, the more stops that get added.   Here endeth the lesson. World without end, Amen.   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.   --part1_a7.33e88eca.2c3f769e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hello all<BR> <BR> I have read with great interest the articles coming forth today regarding = Ro=3D man Catholic cantors.&nbsp; As many of you know, I have been rather silent = t=3D he past year or two on the lists, but now and again a topic comes up that = I=3D20=3D wish to contribute to.<BR> <BR> From my own experience as a life long Roman Catholic, cantors can do as = much=3D bad as good, if not more.&nbsp; My first exposure to a cantor was as a = very=3D young child when I saw a young lady with a guitar strapped around her = neck=3D20=3D leading singing from the lectern while the pipe organ sat silent in the = gall=3D ery.&nbsp; We all know the story and what happened during the intervening = ye=3D ars because it didn't just happen in my parish.&nbsp; Today, 30 years = later,=3D the pipe organ still sits in the 75-seat choir gallery, silent a majority = o=3D f the time, while an old Allen accompanies the choir who sings from = haphazar=3D d risers and folding chairs in the front right corner of the church = (obscuri=3D ng the massive marble St. Joseph altar along with other various saints and = v=3D otive candle stands.&nbsp; The Tabernacle has been ripped out of its = central=3D prominence immediately behind the high altar in the center of the = Sanctuary=3D and put on the opposite side, near the Blessed Mother altar.&nbsp; But, = tha=3D t is the not the topic of this thread.<BR> <BR> Too many cantors are there for their own gratification and = spotlight.&nbsp;=3D20=3D It's that simple.&nbsp; They don't care about leading, they want to be = heard=3D and seen.&nbsp; That's it.&nbsp; Been there, done that, seen it, heard it = t=3D ime and time again.&nbsp; I have even worked with cantors whom I have had = to=3D gently threaten to take off the roster of cantors if they did not back = off=3D20=3D the mic and remember that the ORGAN leads the singing, NOT them.&nbsp; = Their=3D purpose is to lend SUPPORT to the singing, not to scream at everyone at = suc=3D h sonic oppressiveness that people close their hymnals in disgust and = stand=3D20=3D there for the rest of the Mass with their arms folded and lips clenched = tigh=3D tly shut.<BR> <BR> At my church, there is an obtrusive and rather unattractive silver = gooseneck=3D microphone holder bolted to the lectern from which the cantors = sing.&nbsp;=3D20=3D The Ambo (pulpit), however, has a very nice black microphone with a = discreet=3D and thin shaft.&nbsp; It mounts to the Ambo, has a bit of black flexible = ma=3D terial, then a longer solid pole, then yet another small section of black = fl=3D exible material, after which is the very small mic head.&nbsp; Wonderful = mic=3D s indeed and not obtrusive and ugly!&nbsp; I have seen churches with very = sh=3D ort versions of this latter microphone that are merely a few inches long, = ie=3D : no longer than 5" or 6".&nbsp; As soon as I can find one I am replacing = th=3D e huge silver gooseneck on the lectern with one of these.&nbsp; At that = poin=3D t, my self-appointed divas will no longer be able to twist it and pull it = ri=3D ght up to their mouths in an effort to further hear themselves bellow = louder=3D than the organ and the rest of the congregation.&nbsp; Yes they actually = do=3D that, even when I have physically set the mic a certain way!&nbsp; The = seco=3D nd I walk off and get upstairs, crunch, crank, crunch, tap tap tap, = "testing=3D testing," tap tap, "testing," there they go!&nbsp; Translation:&nbsp; = "here=3D I am!&nbsp; Listen to me!&nbsp; I am so great and so important!&nbsp; = Here=3D20=3D I am! Take note!&nbsp; We are not here to worship, we are here to listen = to=3D20=3D ME!&nbsp; HELLO?????&nbsp; HERE I AM!"&nbsp; (Don't you all just LOVE self = a=3D ppointed sound experts?)<BR> <BR> At every church I have served I have adjusted the sound system so that it = is=3D more of an acoustic sound rather than an assault ion the ears of the = congre=3D gation (and me for that matter).&nbsp; And, watch out folks- the SECOND = the=3D20=3D diva cantors can't hear themselves ringing out above heaven and earth, the = o=3D rgan gets blamed for being too loud.&nbsp; Mark my words!&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Depending on the acoustics of a given space of course, a sound system = should=3D enhance the voice to the point of greater clarity than the sound without = us=3D e of a mic.&nbsp; This does NOT mean an assault on the ears of those = present=3D in the congregation.&nbsp; The properly adjusted system should not draw = att=3D ention to itself but should enhance the voice just enough to make listening=3D20=3D effortless and the words clear.&nbsp; It should NOT sound like the = announcer=3D at a local basketball game or a concert in the local coliseum.&nbsp; Some = c=3D antors are so vain and egotistical that if they can't hear themselves = blasti=3D ng in their OWN face, despite the fact that the nearest speaker might be a = g=3D ood 30'-40' away, they blame the sound system and the organ.<BR> <BR> Another ploy is for the cantors to constantly browbeat me with reports of = th=3D e numerous compliments they get on their beautiful singing and then = continue=3D with "and I think that my ministry..." (yeah right)&nbsp; "...would be = even=3D more effective if I could be heard more over the organ."&nbsp; Get the = poin=3D t, dear colleagues?&nbsp; I am sure you all have experience something like = t=3D his at some point or another.&nbsp; Then, the one that really takes the = cake=3D are the ones who have some musical training, like to cantor but don't = like=3D20=3D the fact that they too are to be led by the organ.&nbsp; Their usual = opening=3D statements are something like "I know you're the expert and you know FAR = mo=3D re about organ playing than I ever will, but...do you think you could tone = d=3D own the organ when I am singing?"&nbsp; Well kiddies, I think that says it = a=3D ll.&nbsp; The prosecution rests.<BR> <BR> Regarding cantorial "gestures," I personally do not care for them.&nbsp; = How=3D ever, I also believe that they can be done with grace and elegance without = b=3D eing overly flamboyant.&nbsp; Gestures are not necessary, but can help in = ce=3D rtain situations.&nbsp; It depends on the parish, acoustics and worship = spac=3D e I believe.<BR> <BR> Vested cantors?&nbsp; (For those who don't know, that means in = robes).&nbsp;=3D I like the idea and find it highly complimentary Liturgically as well as = ra=3D ther elegant.&nbsp; Vested cantors indeed add a touch of class to the = liturg=3D ical leadership.&nbsp; My choir is vested (at the pastor's request!) and = we=3D20=3D are in the rear gallery.&nbsp; Despite the fact that we are not the most = vis=3D ible, I really like that and feel that it truly does make a = statement!&nbsp;=3D I have even seen parishes where the Eucharistic Ministers vest in albs = prio=3D r to the distribution of Holy Communion (but that's another list and = topic).=3D <BR> <BR> I also wish to address the comments made by the gentleman attending Notre = Da=3D me.&nbsp; Bud does not owe ANYONE an apology for ANYTHING.&nbsp; He is = total=3D ly correct and right on the money with the comments he made regardless of = th=3D e denomination he currently plays for.&nbsp; Bud has always been one of = the=3D20=3D most informative, knowledgeable and correct people on these lists and I = valu=3D e each and every bit of wisdom he has so graciously shared with us through = t=3D he years.<BR> <BR> In my own training and in my own honest opinion, the role of the cantor is = a=3D s follows:<BR> <BR> 1.&nbsp; to announce hymns (in absence of service leaflets and = hymnboards)<B=3D R> 2.&nbsp; to invite the people gathered into the worship and singing<BR> 3.&nbsp; to lend support to congregational singing while the organ leads = <BR=3D > 4.&nbsp; to serve and to support, not to spotlight and/or hear = themselves<BR=3D > <BR> I realize some of you might disagree.&nbsp; That's fine too.&nbsp; The = readi=3D ngs and actions at the Altar are the central focal point of the liturgy, = the=3D music compliments and supports those readings and actions.<BR> <BR> And it's very simple:&nbsp; the more the cantors scream and bellow to high = h=3D eaven, the more stops that get added.<BR> <BR> Here endeth the lesson.&nbsp; World without end, Amen.<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D4=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Monotype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>Scott F. = Foppiano=3D </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></B><BR> Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#00000=3D 0" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2<FONT COLOR=3D3D"# FAMILY=3D3D"S=3D CRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Monotype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_a7.33e88eca.2c3f769e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: RE pig stomach (was: OHS 2003, First Full Day - VERY LONG) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:13:16 EDT     --part1_127.2d2646f9.2c3f773c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thank you Karl, and I too wish to mirror my thanks to you for your = REMARKABLE and very exciting performance at St. Joseph's in Lancaster, also part of = the OHS convention. For those of you who didn't hear Karl play, you missed = one fantastic recital!   Keep up the good work Karl! You are truly a blessing to us all!   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.   --part1_127.2d2646f9.2c3f773c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Thank you Karl, and I too wish to mirror my = thanks to=3D20=3D you for your REMARKABLE and very exciting performance at St. Joseph's in = Lan=3D caster, also part of the OHS convention.&nbsp; For those of you who didn't = h=3D ear Karl play, you missed one fantastic recital!<BR> <BR> Keep up the good work Karl!&nbsp; You are truly a blessing to us all!<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D4=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Monotype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>Scott F. = Foppiano=3D </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></B><BR> Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#00000=3D 0" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D3D"Mo=3D notype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_127.2d2646f9.2c3f773c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE:RC "cantors" From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:20:28 -0500   As someone who has a lot of experience dealing with RC congregations in = the midwest over the past 40 years, including a stint as assistant at the cathedral in Chicago, I wholeheartedly agree with Bud.   I don't know what they teach DM students in Bloomington these daze (mine = is a BS in Chemistry - 1966) but Bud nailed it - no apology necessary, to anyone.   Michael (non RC for very good liturgical and musical reasons!)     > >Subject: Re: RC "cantors" >From: "Greg Homza" <homza@indiana.edu> >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:09:34 -0500 (EST) > >On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > ><snip> > >> RC cantors as presently constituted have little or nothing to do with >> the historic role of the chanters in the Western Rite. > ><snip> > >> Yes, in fairness to the RCs, they have no tradition of liturgical or >> musical excellence in this country (outside of that wonderful string of >> German Benedictine abbeys and parishes across the Midwest, and a >> precious few other places), thanks to the Irish clergy and bishops, = who, >> while they had valid historical reasons in the beginning (the >> persecutions in Ireland required Mass to be silent and quick, on pain = of >> death if they were discovered), certainly have no excuse in the Year of >> Grace 2003. > ><snip> > >I just want to go on record as saying that, while Bud's post may describe >some RC/cantor situations, it BY NO MEANS describes all. > >If he's so busy doing his Anglo-thang, how would he even know what's >happening in Catholic churches across the country? > >I could say more, but it's not worth my time. > >I feel that Mr. Bud should apologize to the list for his unsubstantiated >rant. > >Respectfully, >-greg homza (RC) > DM student in Organ and Church Music > Indiana University Bloomington >      
(back) Subject: Fr. Rossini From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:31:26 -0500   So, Bud, is this music available in print? Where? What about your arrangements of it?   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats ____________________   Offertory Verse - um, OK, I have a Father Rossini fetish (grin), but his settings of the Offertories (unison, 2-part, SATB, TTBB) are fun and accessible ... in particular the SAB ones I made out of the unison ones. They cover the Offertory action without delaying things or running short of music.   People are surprised when they see them ... they're decent music, and WELL-crafted for AVERAGE voices of LIMITED range ... I have a feeling these books weren't well-known AT ALL beyond the Pittsburgh Diocese where Fr. Rossini reigned and ruled (grin) ... I've NEVER encountered them in a Catholic choir-loft ANYWHERE.      
(back) Subject: Re: Fr. Rossini From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:44:27 -0700   LONG out of print, of course ... my arrangements, yeah ... PDF or Sibelius files ... I have copyright permission.   Cheers,   Bud   First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote: > So, Bud, is this music available in print? Where? What about your > arrangements of it? > > Dennis Steckley > & A Six-Pack of Cats > ____________________ > > Offertory Verse - um, OK, I have a Father Rossini fetish (grin), but his > settings of the Offertories (unison, 2-part, SATB, TTBB) are fun and > accessible ... in particular the SAB ones I made out of the unison ones. > They cover the Offertory action without delaying things or running short > of music. > > People are surprised when they see them ... they're decent music, and > WELL-crafted for AVERAGE voices of LIMITED range ... I have a feeling > these books weren't well-known AT ALL beyond the Pittsburgh Diocese > where Fr. Rossini reigned and ruled (grin) ... I've NEVER encountered > them in a Catholic choir-loft ANYWHERE. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: 20th century trumpet and organ music From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:43:38 -0400   Hey gang,   I was wondering if I could get your help in finding some top drawer 20th century trumpet and organ music. I am already aware of and have played Tomasi.   Thanks!   Jim C     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003  
(back) Subject: Re: RC "cantors" From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:07:04 -0500   LOL many times at this email!   Unfortunately, you are too versed at the traditions of the RC faith, and have been exposed to the "average" RC church in this country.   Since the focal point of the RC church is Jesus Christ (by the many crucifixes of christ, the statues of Mary, and all the angels and saints surrounding the church, chapel's etc) music is not supposed to be the = focus, but JC himself. Maybe that's why mediocre music is accepted. If the music was great, people would refocus their attention to the music and not on "Him".   But, you didn't hear this from me...   Oh, the humanity of it all!....   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963    
(back) Subject: Re: RE pig stomach (was: OHS 2003, First Full Day - VERY LONG) From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:09:09 -0400   Though I missed Dr. Moyer's OHS performance, I was delighted to discover his contribution to the recent Pipedreams Program 0326 in which he played the Fugue from the Horatio Parker Sonata in E flat (Opus 65) on the 1859 Hook Organ at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in North Easton, MA. If you did not catch this program yet, you can listen to it on the Pipedreams website in recently improved streaming audio. It's great fun to put faces to the names of those we meet up with on these organ chat lists, but it's equally fun to finally hear some music performed by them. I enjoyed Dr. Moyer's performance very much, and it has made me eager to hear more. Cheers Mike   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > Thank you Karl, and I too wish to mirror my thanks to > you for your REMARKABLE and very exciting performance > at St. Joseph's in Lancaster, also part of the OHS > convention. For those of you who didn't hear Karl > play, you missed one fantastic recital! > > Keep up the good work Karl! You are truly a blessing > to us all! > > Scott F. Foppiano > Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Re: RC "cantors" From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:20:06 -0500   Boy, Greg, you really walked into that one didn't you? I figured since = I've attended five RC church's since I was a child, and they all fit that description, I trusted his comments.   But thanks for looking at the glass as half full anyway.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   >From: quilisma@socal.rr.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: RC "cantors" >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:31:29 -0700 > >Ah ... like lambs to the slaughter ... wait till you get out in the REAL >world, Greg.   _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail