PipeChat Digest #3806 - Friday, July 11, 2003
 
cantors
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: RC "cantors"
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Bread and breads
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: 32's a requirement?--Yes!
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: cantors
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Enough, already (was RC cantors)
  by "Greg Homza" <homza@indiana.edu>
Re: Enough, already (was RC cantors)
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
ebay
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: ebay
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: cantors From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:52:17 EDT     --part1_1c6.c7e369b.2c3f8e71_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Re: "I feel that Mr. Bud should apologize to the list for his = unsubstantiated rant."   While Bud may no longer be subjecting himself to the show-tune/teeny-bob recycle bin which represents the current state of much RC music, his = "rant" is certainly not unsubstantiated. As a 40+ year veteran of RC music programs =   (starting as a boy cathedral chorister in 1961) I WISH I could say it was = otherwise but it ain't. I have seen our local cathedral music program descend from = a 100 voice all-male choir doing 6-part Latin motets down to polka masses as =   fund-raisers for the choir--- this is not a joke. The local bishop recently requested that the choir learn a certain = "Gloria" setting for Holy Week. While I did not personally have the opportunity to partake of this aural joy, this classic setting reputedly was a cross = between New Orleans whorehouse blues and a tequila-laden Mariachi band. But of course = this received a rousing ovation from the "assembly." This situation is not to be blamed solely on publishers. They will sell = what people will buy. People will buy what they are told is appropriate, and = few individuals in RC liturgical positions of power have the appropriate educational background and/or musical integrity to tell them otherwise. = Luckily, there appears to be at least the hint of movement back toward a modicum of = lucidity, a state of affairs which scares the ....whatever....out of the reining liturgical power structure. Younger priests are interested in the "old, = strange, Latin stuff" which doesn't sound so bad to them. And then there are the = newer bishops who are straining to pull back the unbridled authority previously delegated to the liturgical apparachiks. (sp?) Bottom line......Bud owes no apologies for his opinions. He was there & = done that & had the sense to preserve his sanity by making appropriate lateral transfers.   --part1_1c6.c7e369b.2c3f8e71_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#3dffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Re: "I feel that Mr. = Bud sho=3D uld apologize to the list for his unsubstantiated rant."<BR> <BR> While Bud may no longer be subjecting himself to the show-tune/teeny-bob = rec=3D ycle bin which represents the current state of much RC music,&nbsp; his = "ran=3D t" is certainly not unsubstantiated.&nbsp; As a 40+ year veteran of RC = music=3D programs (starting as a boy cathedral chorister in 1961) I WISH I could = say=3D it was otherwise but it ain't.&nbsp; I have seen our local cathedral = music=3D20=3D program descend from a 100 voice all-male choir doing 6-part Latin motets = do=3D wn to polka masses as fund-raisers for the choir--- this is not a = joke.&nbsp=3D ; <BR> The local bishop recently requested that the choir learn a certain = "Gloria"=3D20=3D setting for Holy Week. While I did not personally have the opportunity to = pa=3D rtake of this aural joy, this classic setting&nbsp; reputedly was a cross = be=3D tween New Orleans whorehouse blues and a tequila-laden Mariachi band. But = of=3D course this received a rousing ovation from the "assembly."&nbsp; <BR> This situation is not to be blamed solely on publishers.&nbsp; They will = sel=3D l what people will buy. People will buy what they are told is appropriate, = a=3D nd few individuals in RC liturgical positions of power have the = appropriate=3D20=3D educational background and/or musical integrity to tell them otherwise. = Luck=3D ily, there appears to be at least the hint of movement back toward a = modicum=3D of lucidity, a state of affairs which scares the ....whatever....out of = the=3D reining liturgical power structure. Younger priests are interested in the = "=3D old, strange, Latin stuff"&nbsp; which doesn't sound so bad to them.&nbsp; = A=3D nd then there are the newer bishops who are straining to pull back the = unbri=3D dled authority previously delegated to the liturgical apparachiks.&nbsp; (sp=3D ?)<BR> Bottom line......Bud owes no apologies for his opinions.&nbsp; He was = there=3D20=3D &amp; done that &amp; had the sense to preserve his sanity by making = appropr=3D iate lateral transfers.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></HTML>   --part1_1c6.c7e369b.2c3f8e71_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: RC "cantors" From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:27:38 EDT     --part1_178.1d6e108d.2c3fa4ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Greg:   I am a Roman Catholic organist, and know Bud quite well. I don't see any reason for apology, everything he says is true unfortunately including the quip about LA and it's archbishop. "Roger" seems hell bent on homoginizing all the churches in his western province to the same standards of plain bad taste. He styles himself as the "Apostle of the West". The scariest part of all this is he wants to be the next POPE.   This is the reality, unfortunately, where traditional priests are hounded to retire early. They are in the way of his juggernaut to reshape the church til it's unrecognizeable as anything Catholic. Greg, I don't know where you live, but be happy you are where you are. Just about everything "Roger" does is contrary to traditional CATHOLIC practice, teaching and dogma.   I can say what I say with all undue candor, because I know the truth of it all, I live here. The music, Marty Haugen and all the rest, stink! Traditional music will die with us diehards and "Roger" will have won by forcing bad taste on all of us.   I think you owe Bud an apology! He's telling the truth.   Ron Severin   --part1_178.1d6e108d.2c3fa4ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Greg:<BR> <BR> I am a Roman Catholic organist, and know Bud quite well.<BR> I don't see any reason for apology, everything he says is true<BR> unfortunately including the quip about LA and it's archbishop.<BR> "Roger" seems hell bent on homoginizing all the churches <BR> in his western province to the same standards of plain bad taste.<BR> He styles himself as the "Apostle of the West". The scariest<BR> part of all this is he wants to be the next POPE.<BR> <BR> This is the reality, unfortunately, where traditional priests<BR> are hounded to retire early. They are in the way of his<BR> juggernaut to reshape the church til it's unrecognizeable<BR> as anything Catholic. Greg, I don't know where you live,<BR> but be happy you are where you are. Just about everything<BR> "Roger" does is contrary to traditional CATHOLIC practice,<BR> teaching and dogma.<BR> <BR> I can say what I say with all undue candor, because I know<BR> the truth of it all, I live here. The music, Marty Haugen and all <BR> the rest, stink! Traditional music will die with us diehards and<BR> "Roger" will have won by forcing bad taste on all of us.<BR> <BR> I think you owe Bud an apology! He's telling the truth.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_178.1d6e108d.2c3fa4ca_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bread and breads From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:59:31 EDT     --part1_146.152a6959.2c3fac43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/10/2003 6:20:29 PM Central Daylight Time, cremona@cervo.net writes:   > I'm not sure anyone remember what was supposed to be going on. But the > bread was very good!   Based upon the tales of hypocrisy I've witnessed and heard of in churches recently, I really don't believe that ANYONE knows whats going on. I = recently heard a story of a Sunday school teacher sitting in the back of a church = and gossiping badly about the church administrator (when she was = present!!!)-that is certainly not reverent and Christlike behavior. Its quite disturbing to = see this kind of behavior from the leaders of the "community"-the people who = should remember what's going on, but so often destroy churches with their garish, =   selfish, and capricious actions and words.   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>   --part1_146.152a6959.2c3fac43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 7/10/2003 6:20:29 PM Central = Daylig=3D ht Time, cremona@cervo.net writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not sure anyone remember = wh=3D at was supposed to be going on.&nbsp; But the bread was very = good!</BLOCKQUO=3D TE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D =3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> Based upon the tales of hypocrisy I've witnessed and heard of in churches = re=3D cently, I really don't believe that ANYONE knows whats going on.&nbsp; I = rec=3D ently heard a story of a <U>Sunday school teacher </U>sitting in the back = of=3D a church and gossiping badly about the church administrator (when she was = p=3D resent!!!)-that is certainly not reverent and Christlike behavior.&nbsp; = Its=3D quite disturbing to see this kind of behavior from the leaders of the = "comm=3D unity"-the people who <I>should</I> remember what's going on, but so often = d=3D estroy churches with their garish, selfish, and capricious actions and = words=3D ..<BR> <BR> Gregory Ceurvorst<BR> M.M. Organ Performance<BR> Northwestern University<BR> Organist and Director of Music<BR> St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL<BR> 815.756.6632-home<BR> 708.243.2549-cellular<BR> <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A></FONT></HTML>   --part1_146.152a6959.2c3fac43_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's a requirement?--Yes! From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:04:20 EDT     --part1_1f0.d05dc5b.2c3fad64_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Monty, The organ sounds WONDERFUL-you're lucky! I will be anxiously awaiting the =   spec and hopefully some photos. How's the room? Your church's overall = vision and mission is quite admirable as well. cheers,   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>   --part1_1f0.d05dc5b.2c3fad64_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Monty,<BR> The organ sounds WONDERFUL-you're lucky!&nbsp; I will be anxiously = awaiting=3D20=3D the spec and hopefully some photos.&nbsp; How's the room?&nbsp; Your = church'=3D s overall vision and mission is quite admirable as well.<BR> cheers,<BR> <BR> Gregory Ceurvorst<BR> M.M. Organ Performance<BR> Northwestern University<BR> Organist and Director of Music<BR> St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL<BR> 815.756.6632-home<BR> 708.243.2549-cellular<BR> <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1f0.d05dc5b.2c3fad64_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: cantors From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:12 EDT     --part1_7a.43df11f6.2c3fae10_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Friends in Christ,   This conversation regarding Roman Catholic "music" is rather interesting. Last year I gave up my full-time RC Choirmaster job, moved from Houston to = Boston (I'm a Massachusetts native), and became an Anglo-Catholic;partly because = I could not give money to the RC Archdiocese of Boston and more = specifically, so as to hear a congregation sing (in parts!) organist-led hymnody, = plainchant Psalms alternating between a competent choir and a competent congregation, = and to attend a decent, transubstantiationist, 7-Sacrament high-church = Eucharist which didn't have an anti-gay/anti-liberal agenda-- and more importantly = didn't have Bernard Cardinal Law. All this, and the Church where Everett Titcomb = was a past choirmaster (can you say Bowdoin St)! Titcomb aside, any church = that cannot function without a so-called "cantor" calling the shots is in a sad =   situation. The Roman Catholics have destroyed their own institution. I'm = chagrined that I functioned in the D of M&L/ head Cantor role back in Houston. I'm embarrassed that I was hoodwinked into accepting the job--hoodwinked with = more lies (including an audition choir far larger than normal) than Ari Fleischer = can spin in an average day.   I've had it with the likes of those who think Marty Haugen (a Lutheran, = BTW) wrote the book on Vatican II "liberalism". The Church really turned us all = out into the cold when it embraced guitars and the idea that the laity has to = be buggered up the arse with Simon and Garfunkel so as to feel included in = the "liturgy". As a former RC, I really feel I was taken for a fool. After = all, who ever heard of a (barely) g minor "Gloria" with such a provincial = orchestration that it would make "Papa" Haydn feel like the redneck, Burgenlandian = teacher of Beethoven he was?! (Even Oedenburg/Sopron would be embarrassed).   The Roman Catholic Church has no business soliciting the employ of decent church musicians until it will produce Priests who are not afraid of a = musician's popularity and have a solid sense of their own self-worth. My Anglican Priest, for instance, went to Yale. He doesn't read music well but he can = chant, knows about 200 good hymns, and is an all-around stand-up guy who doesn't = drink and doesn't feel up children. The Rev. Canon Gene Robinson preached his installation and-- God willing-- will become the Bishop Coadjutor of the = Diocese of NH by the end of the month. That will not only be a victory for = Anglicans, but a victory for Catholics--a victory over both bad theology and bad = liturgy and worse music.   RC musicians and liturgists tend to be like Grover Norquist is to = Federalism: they'd like to take liturgy and shrink it down until they can drown it in = a bathtub. Shame. I'll never be a part of that again, so help me God. Shame, =   shame, shame. --BH       --part1_7a.43df11f6.2c3fae10_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Friends in Christ,<BR> <BR> This conversation regarding Roman Catholic "music" is rather interesting. = La=3D st year I gave up my full-time RC Choirmaster job, moved from Houston to = Bos=3D ton (I'm a Massachusetts native), and became an Anglo-Catholic;partly = becaus=3D e I could not give money to the RC Archdiocese of Boston and more = specifical=3D ly, so as to hear a congregation sing (in parts!) organist-led hymnody, = plai=3D nchant Psalms alternating between a competent choir and a competent = congrega=3D tion, and to attend a decent, transubstantiationist, 7-Sacrament = high-church=3D Eucharist which didn't have an anti-gay/anti-liberal agenda-- and more = impo=3D rtantly didn't have Bernard Cardinal Law. All this, and the Church where = Eve=3D rett Titcomb was a past choirmaster (can you say Bowdoin St)! Titcomb = aside,=3D any church that cannot function without a so-called "cantor" calling the sh=3D ots is in a sad situation. The Roman Catholics have destroyed their own = inst=3D itution. I'm chagrined that I functioned in the D of M&amp;L/ head Cantor = ro=3D le back in Houston. I'm embarrassed that I was hoodwinked into accepting = the=3D job--hoodwinked with more lies (including an audition choir far larger = than=3D normal) than Ari Fleischer can spin in an average day.<BR> <BR> I've had it with the likes of those who think Marty Haugen (a Lutheran, = BTW)=3D wrote the book on Vatican II "liberalism". The Church really turned us = all=3D20=3D out into the cold when it embraced guitars and the idea that the laity has = t=3D o be buggered up the arse with Simon and Garfunkel so as to feel included = in=3D the "liturgy". As a former RC, I really feel I was taken for a fool. = After=3D20=3D all, who ever heard of a (barely) g minor "Gloria" with such a provincial = or=3D chestration that it would make "Papa" Haydn feel like the redneck, = Burgenlan=3D dian&nbsp; teacher of Beethoven he was?! (Even Oedenburg/Sopron would be = emb=3D arrassed).<BR> <BR> The Roman Catholic Church has no business soliciting the employ of decent = ch=3D urch musicians until it will produce Priests who are not afraid of a = musicia=3D n's popularity and have a solid sense of their own self-worth.&nbsp; My = Angl=3D ican Priest, for instance,&nbsp; went to Yale. He doesn't read music well = bu=3D t he can chant, knows about 200 good hymns, and is an all-around stand-up = gu=3D y who doesn't drink and doesn't feel up children.&nbsp; The Rev. Canon = Gene=3D20=3D Robinson preached his installation and-- God willing-- will become the = Bisho=3D p Coadjutor of the Diocese of NH by the end of the month. That will not = only=3D be a victory for Anglicans, but a victory for Catholics--a victory over = bot=3D h bad theology and bad liturgy and worse music. <BR> <BR> RC musicians and liturgists tend to be like Grover Norquist is to = Federalism=3D : they'd like to take liturgy and shrink it down until they can drown it = in=3D20=3D a bathtub. Shame. I'll never be a part of that again, so help me God. = Shame,=3D shame, shame.<BR> --BH<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_7a.43df11f6.2c3fae10_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Enough, already (was RC cantors) From: "Greg Homza" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:22:37 -0500 (EST)   In addition to having strayed from the scope of the list, this thread is getting abusive. Please let it go...   I lament that so many people seem to have had such terrible experiences with music in Catholic churches... I also lament the fact that each negative post on the topic that I read tonight seems to demonstrate extreme intolerance, gross generalizations, and in some cases, just plain ignorance...all of which make me question the authors' effectiveness as church musicians (which I'm assuming most, if not all, of them are).   Saying that all RC churches have bad music is like saying all Protestant churches have good music...which we all know they don't. Not by any stretch of the imagination... The irony is that many Catholic churches are returning (with the aid of those of us educated folk who don't jump ship) to very traditional programs, while everyone else is going happy-clappy...With One Voice? Wonder, Love, and Praise? Others?   My parish appreciates the traditional hymns and significant choral literature that they sing and hear each week. Since Lent, we've sung some pretty major pieces by Byrd, Poulenc, Finzi, Tavener, Messiaen, and others. Sure, we've also done some Lauridsen and some Rutter, but certainly not any Ha*s or Haug*n...I agree with you that this music is, for the most part, without any substance. And I'm not saying I have the best program out there...given that I'm 1/2-time, and my parish is in Southern Indiana, my choirs are far from perfect...but parishioners young and old invariably find me (or one of the choir members) each week to tell us how much the music is appreciated. I haven't heard a complaint since Christmas, when I elected to have the choir sing Silent Night (in German) as a post-Communion meditation, instead of having the assembly sing it (led by one of my humble cantors, of course, none of which, incidentally, use microphones).   Those of you posters (and you know who you are) who are currently serving in Catholic parishes, SHAME ON YOU. You could (and should) be part of the solution, and yet all you seem to want to do is further perpetuate an attitude of ignorance and intolerance. It's disgusting...so disgusting... =     I'm sure many of you will continue to hold the opinions about RC church music that you do, though they may be uninformed, outdated, exaggerated, and in many cases, flat-out wrong. And of course you're certainly entitled to drag the Church's name through the mud all you like...how can I stop you? But for those of us who know a Catholic Church much different than the one you describe, you look all the more foolish.   Regards, -greg   P.S. Feel free to write as many rude and self-righteous replies as you like...I won't be reading them. I consider the matter closed...I'm far too busy with school, and preparing my trashy Willan and Langlais ditties for this weekends prelude/postlude, to continue this silly thread.      
(back) Subject: Re: Enough, already (was RC cantors) From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:31:56 EDT     --part1_138.2271cf71.2c3fb3dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Homza, Thank you for waking us up. I'm so glad to hear that Langlais is accepted = in your parish. Some of us really mourn the possibilities in the Church. Some = of us are as hurt as the victims of sex-abuse. Thanks again for the reality check. Seriously. BH   --part1_138.2271cf71.2c3fb3dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Homza,<BR> Thank you for waking us up. I'm so glad to hear that Langlais is accepted = in=3D your parish. Some of us really mourn the possibilities in the Church. = Some=3D20=3D of us are as hurt as the victims of sex-abuse. Thanks again for the = reality=3D20=3D check. Seriously.<BR> BH<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_138.2271cf71.2c3fb3dc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: ebay From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:41:04 EDT     --part1_12b.2db5dc72.2c3fb600_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I was just browsing on EBAY and ran across this FUNNY listing:     Description This is your chance to bid on The Conn Artist Organ Model #720. It is in almost perfect working condition, keys, footpedal, pedalboard and speakers = all work great..The Console shows most of the aging with some lite and some = heavier scratches, no major chips or torn fabric over the internal speakers. This = organ can be refinished with very little effort. The light for the on and off switch is out.       Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>   --part1_12b.2db5dc72.2c3fb600_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">I was just browsing on EBAY and ran across this = FUNNY=3D20=3D listing:<B><BR> <BR> <BR> Description</B> <IMG SRC=3D3D"http://pics.ebay.com/aw/pics/x.gif" = WIDTH=3D =3D3D"5" HEIGHT=3D3D"1" BORDER=3D3D"0"> </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D =3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial"=3D20=3D LANG=3D3D"0"> <IMG SRC=3D3D"http://pics.ebay.com/aw/pics/x.gif" = WIDTH=3D3D"6"=3D20=3D HEIGHT=3D3D"1" BORDER=3D3D"0"> <BR> This is your chance to bid on <B><I><U>The Conn Artist</B></U> </I>Organ = Mod=3D el #720. It is in almost perfect working condition, keys, footpedal, = pedalbo=3D ard and speakers all work great..The Console shows most of the aging with = so=3D me lite and some heavier scratches, no major chips or torn fabric over the = i=3D nternal speakers. This organ can be refinished with very little effort. = The=3D20=3D light for the on and off switch is out. <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> Gregory Ceurvorst<BR> M.M. Organ Performance<BR> Northwestern University<BR> Organist and Director of Music<BR> St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL<BR> 815.756.6632-home<BR> 708.243.2549-cellular<BR> <A HREF=3D3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A></FONT></HTML>   --part1_12b.2db5dc72.2c3fb600_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ebay From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:10:45 -0700 (PDT)   --0-269175180-1057907445=3D:4045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii   Speaking of Ebay, I was able to purchase a Widor/Schweitzer edition of = Bach for $5.00 plus shipping last week, as well as some Jesse Crawford = theater organ books very cheap. Since it is 2:13 and I am still wide = awake, I think I will browse ebay. Thanks for the suggestion. Lee   Gfc234@aol.com wrote:I was just browsing on EBAY and ran across this FUNNY = listing:     Description This is your chance to bid on The Conn Artist Organ Model #720. It is in = almost perfect working condition, keys, footpedal, pedalboard and speakers = all work great..The Console shows most of the aging with some lite and = some heavier scratches, no major chips or torn fabric over the internal = speakers. This organ can be refinished with very little effort. The light = for the on and off switch is out.         Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Organist and Director of Music St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632-home 708.243.2549-cellular gfc234@aol.com     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-269175180-1057907445=3D:4045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <DIV>Speaking of Ebay, I was able to purchase a Widor/Schweitzer edition = of Bach for $5.00 plus shipping last week, as well as some Jesse Crawford = theater organ books very cheap.&nbsp; Since it is 2:13 and I am still wide = awake, I think I will browse ebay.&nbsp; Thanks for the suggestion.&nbsp; = Lee<BR><BR><B><I>Gfc234@aol.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%"><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I was just browsing on = EBAY and ran across this FUNNY listing:<B><BR><BR><BR>Description</B> <IMG = height=3D1 src=3D"http://pics.ebay.com/aw/pics/x.gif" width=3D5 = border=3D0> </FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><IMG height=3D1 = src=3D"http://pics.ebay.com/aw/pics/x.gif" width=3D6 border=3D0> <BR>This = is your chance to bid on <B><I><U>The Conn Artist</B></U> </I>Organ Model = #720. It is in almost perfect working condition, keys, footpedal, = pedalboard and speakers all work great..The Console shows most of the = aging with some lite and some heavier scratches, no major chips or torn = fabric over the internal speakers. This organ can be refinished with very = little effort. The light for the on and off switch is out. = <BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>Gregory Ceurvorst<BR>M.M. Organ = Performance<BR>Northwestern University<BR>Organist and Director of = Music<BR>St. Peter's UCC, Frankfort, = IL<BR>815.756.6632-home<BR>708.243.2549-cellular<BR><A = href=3D"http://us.f420.mail.yahoo.com/ym/gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>= </FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT><p><hr SIZE=3D1> Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.com">The= New Yahoo! Search</a> - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-269175180-1057907445=3D:4045--