PipeChat Digest #3809 - Friday, July 11, 2003
 
Re: Cantor
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Cantor Definition
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
49th Ocean Grove Choir Fest!
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Re: Cantor
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Cantor/Leupold
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Cantor Definition
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Cantor/Leupold
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Cantor
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Cantor Definition
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Cantor/Leupold
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Canadian Division
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Re: Canadian Division
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Re: Canadian Division
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(back) Subject: Re: Cantor From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:17:46 -0400       On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:22, Alan Freed wrote:   > What IS a cantor?   A "cantor" is a leader of the congregation's song. Therefore, it can be = someone who sings, or the organist..... anyone with any instrument leading the = congregation's song. At least, that's the meaning given by the musician in an ELCA = seminary. It may (and does) differ in other denoms.   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Cantor Definition From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:18:43 EDT   Hey All,   Hope Summer is going well... Ocean Grove is wonderful, and = the organ is in great shape, as is the Summer series, hope some of you can = make it down! Check out the site at www.oceangrove.org! As far as the term "Cantor"..., sometimes calles "Follower of = Song", in the Roman Church it is defined as one who sings about a half step under =   pitch, follows or is ahead of the organist, and dresses in gawdy outfits. = It is for these reasons that the cantor position in many Roman Churches has = become a paid position. Having a well trained musician leading the song is optimal. = In some instances, the Cantor is a well trained choirmaster, and the organist = is a separate position. The Roman Church is working on its congregational participation, but it is truly overemphasized! The Vatican documents call = for GOOD music, by TRAINED musicians. This does not mean that we teach new music at = every liturgy, it means that the congregation respond when applicable and = available! We don't dumb down our music or liturgy for the sake of the congregation's =   participation. The choir or cantor must take the active musical role where = the congregation can not. It is also for this reason, that the cantor should = be focused on the singing and the flow of the liturgy, NOT registration, good = pauses between stanzas, and reharminization (aka not the organist as well!). = Pastors of all denominations must understand, be educated, etc. to part the good = from the bad in liturgy and music. Investment must be made in good music, many pastors are willing, some are apathetic or CHEAP. I would rather drive 45 = minutes to work and have a great place with an ok salary, than do as some and = "barf to the bank" with a good paycheck from a terrible place and pastor!   Best,   Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: 49th Ocean Grove Choir Fest! From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:22:23 EDT   Hey All,   One and all are invited to attend the 49th Annual Ocean Grove Choir =   Festival! This Sunday, July the 13th at 7:30 in the evening. This year's festival will feature some 1600 singers, 45 piece orchestra, the 170 rank = Hope-Jones Organ, and 4 Metropolitan Opera Soloists. Works include those of Faure, Nygard, Rutter, White, and York. The festival is free and open to the = public. For best parking and seating, plan to arrive at 6:30pm. Ocean Grove is a = beautiful shore town just below Asbury Park, having many shops, cafes, and great ice =   cream on the boardwalk! You can reach Ocean Grove by the NJ Parkway at = exit 100 (Rt. 33/Ocean Grove)! More info at www.oceangrove.org   Best,   Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Re: Cantor From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:34:28 -0400       On 11 Jul 2003 at 10:42, Alan Freed wrote:   > It leaves vague, though, the name for the singer of the first half of > each verse of the Psalm. Our deacons all sing the Kyrie, Gloria, > post-communion prayer--but the Psalm is usually done by a choir > soloist (who "becomes" the choir during summertime). "Cantor" with a > small "c"? Or "chanter"?     Yep... cantor with a small C.   -s.      
(back) Subject: Re: Cantor/Leupold From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:48:14 -0400   On 7/11/03 3:37 PM, "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > Dr. Ulrich S. Leupold, beloved Director of Music and Professor of New > Testament at Waterloo College (later Waterloo Lutheran University) and > Waterloo Lutheran Seminary from 1945 to 1970; he served as Academic Dean = of > the Seminary from 1954 to 1969, and as Chief Executive Officer from 1969 = to > 1970.   Bob, thank you very much. It really is WORTH having a "Canadian Division" on this list! I would never have guessed that in a few hours so much information could be published here on a relatively little-known Giant.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Cantor Definition From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:53:19 EDT     --part1_38.3b2612c5.2c407dbf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/11/03 3:27:16 PM Central Daylight Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes:   > As far as the term "Cantor"..., sometimes called "Follower of Song", > in the Roman Church it is defined as one who sings about a half step = under > pitch, follows or is ahead of the organist, and dresses in gaudy = outfits.   WELL SAID PETER! And thank you for a marvelous contribution that mirrors what those of us who know and desire good liturgy and music have also been = trying to say.     It is > for these reasons that the cantor position in many Roman Churches = has > become a paid position. Having a well trained musician leading the song = is > optimal. In some instances, the Cantor is a well trained choirmaster, = and the > organist is a > separate position.   True, again. However, many parishes are blest with truly talented individuals who will serve as cantor and who will, believe it or not, take = direction and work WITH the choirmaster in implementing good liturgy, good music and = true leadership instead of merely seeking the spotlight.     The Roman Church is working on its congregational > participation,   We are? OH YEA, we ARE. Sorry, I was momentarily confused by the = constant stream of trite, singsongy crap by Haugen et al that never seems to die. Another huge argument is that RC congregations CANNOT develop good hymnody = and a solid core of hymns that they sing well because of the constant "choruses" = and "songs" that are continually being cranked out by these publishers = nonstop. Notice that I did not say "hymns," there is a vast difference indeed. = Sadly, too many would rather take the easy way out and fall victim to the = strumming geetars, keyboards (not to be confused with the ORGAN which is specified = by the Holy See as THE preferred instrument of Roman Catholic worship) overhead projectors and screens and crappy choruses than do real, exalted and = elegant music which is truly appropriate for Christian corporate worship.       but it is truly overemphasized! The Vatican documents call for GOOD music, = by   > TRAINED musicians. This does not mean that we teach new music at every > liturgy, it means that the congregation respond when applicable and = available! > We don't dumb down our music or liturgy for the sake of the = congregation's > participation.   True again. (see above).       The choir or cantor must take the active musical role where the = congregation can > not. It is also for this reason, that the cantor should be focused on = the > singing and the flow of the liturgy, NOT registration, good pauses = between > stanzas, and reharmonization (aka not the organist as well!).   One of the things that I have always done with great success is to have = the choir intone all parts of the liturgy that are intoned by cantors at the non-choral liturgies. A well trained and confident choir can do this with = great success. If the choir cannot handle such tasks, then, of course, a cantor = is preferred and necessary.       Pastors of all denominations must understand, be educated, etc. to part = the good > from the bad in liturgy and music.   Yes, but it doesn't always happen that way. And when the organist and/or choirmaster tries to stand THEIR ground and do GOOD and elegant music and = to DO the jobs for which we were hired, then WE get called inflexible and = elitist. Let us not forget folks, we must educate as well as push keys and pedals = and wave our arms at the choirs.       Investment must be made in good music, many pastors are willing, some are > apathetic or CHEAP.   And there in lies much of the problem indeed.       I would rather drive 45 minutes to work and have a great place with an ok salary, > than do as some and "barf to the bank" with a good paycheck from a = terrible > place and pastor!   Wouldn't we all?!?> >   Scott F. 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(back) Subject: Re: Cantor/Leupold From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:19:11 -0400   On 7/11/03 3:58 PM, "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> wrote:   > I've put print-outs of this info in . . . . the title page of my > copy of Vol 53 of Luther's Works, the volume on Luther's hymns and = liturgy > writing, which Leupold did edit.   Thanks for the clue, Karl. I shall do the same, at bedtime tonight; Vol = 53 [of the "American Edition"] I keep in my bedroom.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Cantor From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:33:16 -0400   On 7/11/03 4:17 PM, "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote: > > On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:22, Alan Freed wrote: > >> What IS a cantor? > > A "cantor" is a leader of the congregation's song. Therefore, it can be > someone who sings, or the organist..... anyone with any instrument > leading the congregation's song. At least, that's the meaning given > by the musician in an ELCA seminary. It may (and does) differ > in other denoms. > > --Shirley > Shirley, I'll be getting back to you about this. I've learned so much = more about it--just today--that I hope to have something worth saying (well, reporting) fairly soon. Your last line is important. Lutherans don't define the meaning of words; neither do Romanists or Baptists. We should not be careless with language, but "harmonize" the meaning of our words, ecumenically, as much as is possible. Or at the very least RECOGNIZE/ACKNOWLEDGE it when we do not do so.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Cantor Definition From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:57:28 -0400   On 7/11/03 4:18 PM, "Oboe32@aol.com" <Oboe32@aol.com> wrote:   > As far as the term "Cantor"..., sometimes calles "Follower of Song", in = the > Roman Church it is defined as one who sings about a half step under > pitch, follows or is ahead of the organist, and dresses in gaudy = outfits. > It is for these reasons that the cantor position in many Roman Churches = has > become a paid position. Having a well trained musician leading the song = is > optimal.   PETER! I've always enjoyed your posts, but you've just risen to a new literary level! Splendido, bravo, and Do It Again!   Thank you very much!   Alan Freed www.stlukesnyc.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Cantor/Leupold From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:59:11 -0400   On 7/11/03 4:48 PM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   > It really is WORTH having a "Canadian Division" on this list!   I hope that didn't sound pathetically patronizing (patronising).   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Canadian Division From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:09:24 -0400     >On 7/11/03 4:48 PM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > It really is WORTH having a "Canadian Division" on this list! > >I hope that didn't sound pathetically patronizing (patronising). ______________________________________________________   Alan, not at all!   Remember that I only live here, I am a UK citizen who came here for a year =   of teaching in 1968, - but somehow never got to go back home!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Canadian Division From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:20:07 -0400   On 7/11/03 6:09 PM, "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > Remember that I only live here, I am a UK citizen who came here for a = year > of teaching in 1968, - but somehow never got to go back home!   Reminds me of an old question, Bob. Over 50 years ago I was told (in school) that Brits are not "citizens" (like Yanks) but "subjects" (which seemed right, because one always heard of "British subjects"). Any truth therein? And what does it mean, if there is?   Alan      
(back) Subject: Record? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:22:13 -0400   Owners:   Have we broken a record for a day's traffic volume, today?   Sure seems like it.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Canadian Division From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:33:18 -0400   Alan,   I have just checked my British passport, and it says;   Robert Conway, British Citizen.   But I am one of Queen Elizabeth II loyal subjects!   In the olden days (during the 1930's), we used to have EMPIRE DAY when we all waved the flag and pledged our loyalty to the King. We were then sent =   home from school at midday! They don't have any Empire now so I suppose = the kids don't get that little treat any more!   When I came to Canada, July 1st was Dominion Day, but it is Canada Day = now, - I don't know what the world is coming to!   What's in a name anyway?   Bob   At 06:20 PM 7/11/03 -0400, you wrote:   >Reminds me of an old question, Bob. Over 50 years ago I was told (in >school) that Brits are not "citizens" (like Yanks) but "subjects" (which >seemed right, because one always heard of "British subjects"). Any truth >therein? And what does it mean, if there is? > >Alan > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Seattle Concerto From: "Shelley Culver" <sec_oboe2002@excite.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:10:05 -0400 (EDT)       Hello Pipechat Buddies!   I was wondering if any of you know anything about the Seattle Concerto for = Organ and Orchestra. It's by Naji Hakim, written in 1998. I'll be hearing = it in a couple weeks, and I'd love some background information on it.   Thanks! Shelley     "It is often just as sacred to laugh as it is to pray."   _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!  
(back) Subject: live chat on IRC tonight at 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:31:03 -0700   I want a cyber-horse and a bell (chuckle).   If you don't know how to get there, directions:   http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Cheers,   Bud      
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