PipeChat Digest #3822 - Monday, July 21, 2003
 
Liverpool Cathedral Lady Chapel
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Carving a niche in history
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
RE: PDQ, WPA, and NKVD
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Liverpool Cathedral
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: Carving a niche in history
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Liverpool Cathedral
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Show about church getting an organ
  by "Mike" <organist@clover.net>
Re: Show about church getting an organ
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: NPM
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: PDQ, WPA, and NKVD
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: NPM
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: NPM
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: NPM
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: NPM
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: NPM
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: NPM
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: NPM
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: NPM - two organs, one booth
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: NPM - two organs, one booth
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: NPM
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: NPM
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: NPM
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
dales last on NPM
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: NPM
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: NPM
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: dales last on NPM
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
 

(back) Subject: Liverpool Cathedral Lady Chapel From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:16:05 +0100 (BST)   In reply to Sebastian's Query about the Lady Chapel at Liverpool Cathedral herewith the specification as per NPOR   Swell to Great Swell to Pedal Swell Octave to Great Swell Suboctave to Great Swell Octave Swell Suboctave Swell Unison off Great to Pedal Swell Octave to Pedal   Pedal 1 Acoustic Bass 32 not JML 2 Violone 16 3 Lieblich Bourdon 16 4 Octave 8 5 Bass Flute 8 6 Fifteenth 4 7 Gedeckt 4 8 Superoctave 2 9 Contra Fagotto 32 Wells 1994 10 Fagotto 16 11 Trumpet 8 not JML 12 Rohr Schalmey 4   Great 13 Lieblich Bourdon 16 14 Open Diapason 8 15 Stopped Diapason 8 16 Octave 4 17 Chimney Flute 4 18 Fifteenth 2 19 Cornet II 12.17 20 Fourniture III-IV 19.22.26 21 Trumpet 8   Swell 22 Salicional 8 23 Voix Celeste 8 24 Gedeckt 8 25 Gemshorn 4 26 Block Flute 2 27 Mixture III 22.26.29 28 Bassoon 16 29 Cornopean 8 30 Tremulant     Great and Pedal pistons; new piston system, 1994; Swell on general toe pistons 6 thumb pistons to each manual; 6 general thumb pistons; reversible thumb pistons for unison couplers; general cancel thumb piston; setter piston; 6 toe pistons to Pedal; 6 general toe pistons; reversible toe pistons for gt-pd and 32ft Contra Fagotto; 16 memory channels to general & manual pistons; balanced swell pedal;     Regards John Foss www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: Carving a niche in history From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:05:25 -0400   Colin: Is it true that the fašade pipes on St. Bavo's, including the 32' principal, are made of C. 70% tin? AjM How many people know (probably everyone) that the organ case at St Bavo, Haarlem, cost as much as the instrument?   Not enough is written on the subject!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK          
(back) Subject: RE: PDQ, WPA, and NKVD From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:32:52 -0500   Sebastian, I won't comment on the PDQs (what woman would?), but the WPA, a Depression-era work group, got tired of the long hours and moved to the USSR. There because of Cyrillicism, they changed their letters to the NKVD and became an arm of the secret police. However, about the time the Berlin Wall came down and was being sold in chunks as souvenirs, they pocketed the proceeds and disbanded.   I don't believe any infiltrated the organ world - most moved to Detroit, Kansas City, or Reno. However, they are infiltrated by organists when they have their reunion every ten years, and this year was in Cincinnati. I don't know what sweetheart deals transpired to culminate in Cincinnati's being chosen as the site, but it apparently was a rollicking good time.   That's all I know. Glad to be of help.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:54 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: PDQ, WPA, and NKVD   Dearest assembled: When discussing professional organizations, fraternities, "models" of "organs," titles of pieces, periodicals, publishing houses, and other anagrammatical entities, please do not assume that we know what all of these abbreviations mean. Those of us who are socially ostracised, reclusive, and out-of-touch with reality are not always aware of what is being discussed.        
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Cathedral From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:04:46 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Liverpool Cathedral     > Is the Lady Chapel organ at Liverpool Cathedral the > smallest organ in the world with a real 32ft reed?   I had thought there was one on a smallish Peter Collins organ from the 1970's, and -- sure enough -- there is a 32' Sordun on the Pedal of the 1974 Collins organ at the Priory Church of St. Mary, Worksop, Nottinghamshire. This instrument is one stop smaller than the Liverpool Cathedral Lady Chapel organ. Of course, being a Sordun, it has very small resonators, while I imagine the Liverpool one is at least half-length and possibly even full length.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: RE: Carving a niche in history From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:14:33 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   In a word....yes!   More importantly, very high quality Cornish Tin apparently....we just HAD to have a UK connection with Haarlem!!   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Andrew Mead <mead@eagle.ca> wrote: > Colin: Is it true that the fašade pipes on St. > Bavo's, including the 32' > principal, are made of C. 70% tin?     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Cathedral From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:21:25 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   John is right....it has 1/64th length resonators, or something like that........   I recall playing the thing and we all fell about laughing at the death-rattle.   This is the organ with "squishy" keybaords......the things bounce as you play on them. I think a bit more timber could have been used to support them!   Still, it IS fashionable.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > I had thought there was one on a smallish Peter > Collins organ from the > 1970's, and -- sure enough -- there is a 32' Sordun > on the Pedal of the 1974 > Collins organ at the Priory Church of St. Mary, > Worksop, Nottinghamshire. >   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Show about church getting an organ From: "Mike" <organist@clover.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:43:20 -0700   Hi,   This morning, the minister was telling me about a show he watched about a year ago on TV. It was about a small church In North Carolina, I think) who decided to get a pipe organ. It followed the progress of the congregation through the debates, arguments, and eventually the arrival and installation of the new instrument.   We're going through the process now, and this might be something good to watch. Does anyone remember this? If so, does anyoine know where (or if) I could get a tape of it?   Thanks, Mike        
(back) Subject: Re: Show about church getting an organ From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:46:43 -0500   Hi, Mike --   Sounds like "Pulling Out All the Stops" to me. This has been aired on numerous public TV stations around the country, at least.   Here's a link to the VHS version in the OHS catalog:   http://store.yahoo.com/ohscatalog/puloutallsto.html   Cheers, Tim     At 12:43 PM 7/20/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >This morning, the minister was telling me about a show he watched >about a year ago on TV.    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:59:13 -0400   Gary,   who was that?   the most organs i was was 2 at one booth.   dale  
(back) Subject: Re: PDQ, WPA, and NKVD From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:00:05 -0400   SOrry,   National Pastoral Musicians is NPM.   dale  
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:51:55 -0500   Dale,   And who had 2 organs in one booth, while everyone else had 1 ? It really doesn't matter, just thought that your observation was a bit odd.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> To: ""PipeChat"" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: NPM     > Gary, > > who was that? > > the most organs i was was 2 at one booth. > > dale > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:57:18 -0400   On 7/20/03 4:51 PM, "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> wrote:   > It really doesn't matter, just thought that your observation was a bit odd. > Gary, if it doesn't matter, why are we going on about it? Actually, I'm curious too, and I wasn't even there--but I'd love to have been.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:20:28 -0500   Dear Allan and Dale,   Since the discussion is in progress and its not fair to keep readers guessing, we will divulge the company even though I prefer not to disclose them since it seems to generate a deluge of complaints of one company name against others. The company with the biggest display was JOHANNUS and had 2 Monarke organs there. By the way, NPM was well represented by all organ manufacturers including several pipe organ makers and all displays were a joy to look through.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: NPM     > On 7/20/03 4:51 PM, "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> wrote: > > > It really doesn't matter, just thought that your observation was a bit odd. > > > Gary, if it doesn't matter, why are we going on about it? Actually, I'm > curious too, and I wasn't even there--but I'd love to have been. > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:46:06 -0400   On 7/20/03 7:20 PM, "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> wrote:   > Since the discussion is in progress and its not fair to keep readers = guessing, > we will divulge the company even though I prefer not to disclose them = since it > seems to generate a deluge of complaints of one company name against = others. > The company with the biggest display was JOHANNUS and had 2 Monarke = organs > there. By the way, NPM was well represented by all organ manufacturers > including several pipe organ makers and all displays were a joy to look > through. > Oh! OK. I've heard of that instrument. A dear friend recommended it to = me quite strongly just a couple of weeks ago. (On this list or another, I'm not sure which--but, whatever: it was quite positive.) And I'd be interesting in seeing and hearing one.   Alan (not a potential buyer, by any means--but that applies to 1938 IV/126 Skinners too!)    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:12:16 -0500   Ooooooh! How exciting Gary! TWO Johannus organs in the same booth!!! YAWN .....   ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: NPM     > Dear Allan and Dale, > > Since the discussion is in progress and its not fair to keep readers > guessing, we will divulge the company even though I prefer not to disclose > them since it seems to generate a deluge of complaints of one company name > against others. > The company with the biggest display was JOHANNUS and had 2 Monarke organs > there. > By the way, NPM was well represented by all organ manufacturers including > several pipe organ makers and all displays were a joy to look through. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: NPM > > > > On 7/20/03 4:51 PM, "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> wrote: > > > > > It really doesn't matter, just thought that your observation was a bit > odd. > > > > > Gary, if it doesn't matter, why are we going on about it? Actually, I'm > > curious too, and I wasn't even there--but I'd love to have been. > > > > Alan > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:34:58 -0500   Dear Allen,   As you can see, this is exactly the nonsense and infantile behavior I was trying to avoid. Some people just don't know when to quit.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: Re: NPM     > Ooooooh! How exciting Gary! TWO Johannus organs in the same booth!!! YAWN > .... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: NPM > > > > Dear Allan and Dale, > > > > Since the discussion is in progress and its not fair to keep readers > > guessing, we will divulge the company even though I prefer not to disclose > > them since it seems to generate a deluge of complaints of one company name > > against others. > > The company with the biggest display was JOHANNUS and had 2 Monarke organs > > there. > > By the way, NPM was well represented by all organ manufacturers including > > several pipe organ makers and all displays were a joy to look through. > > > > Gary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> > > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:57 PM > > Subject: Re: NPM > > > > > > > On 7/20/03 4:51 PM, "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> wrote: > > > > > > > It really doesn't matter, just thought that your observation was a bit > > odd. > > > > > > > Gary, if it doesn't matter, why are we going on about it? Actually, I'm > > > curious too, and I wasn't even there--but I'd love to have been. > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:59:15 -0500   At 8:34 PM -0500 7/20/03, G. Deboer wrote: >Dear Allen, > >As you can see, this is exactly the nonsense and infantile behavior I was >trying to avoid. >Some people just don't know when to quit.   Except Gary, you seemed to start the nonsense because your favorite brand wasn't mentioned. i don't know if you are a salesperson for Johannus or not but you do act like one. Actually in this case is was a case of someone not knowing not to start!   David  
(back) Subject: Re: NPM - two organs, one booth From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:34:03 EDT   Another firm had two instruments on display, both of them pipe organs. Orgues Visage de Poisson Alsace had a Bibleregal after Georges-Etienne Pamplemousse, 22 notes (two short octaves, omitting all the Cs), and a IV/187 with suspended mechanical action and tin facades for both 32' Montres on the Grand-Orgue and Pedale, as well as the 16' front for the Positif de Dos. I do not remember which instrument I liked better, but I think it was the little Bibleregal, since it had MIDI capabilities and a transposer. Also, there was something about the scaling and resonator length end correction in the tenor octave of the 4-4/7' Grosse-Septieme Clarinette in the Grand-Choeur of the larger instrument that rubbed me the wrong way when playing parallel sixths in fugal writing. Maybe it's just me, I don't know. In defense of the Johannus booth, I DID get a great recommendation for a nearby pizza place while looking at their stuff. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: NPM - two organs, one booth From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:36:18 EDT   Hi Tuba,   you were at NPM?   i know Cinti pretty well and could have recommended a lot of good places = to eat.   sorry i missed an opportunity to meet you.   dale    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:38:37 EDT   In a message dated 7/20/2003 7:21:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:   > The company with the biggest display was JOHANNUS and had 2 Monarke = organs > there. >   i did not realize the ACV was a monarke they advertise to my church as a J....   dale    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:39:27 EDT   In a message dated 7/20/2003 7:21:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:   > several pipe organ makers and all displays were a joy to look through   glad the booths wer fun, they are usually that way at AGO too.   sorry to you too that an opportunity to meet you was missed.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:40:41 EDT   In a message dated 7/20/2003 8:13:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teahzg@charter.net writes:   > Ooooooh! How exciting Gary! TWO Johannus organs in the same booth!!!   it was nice to have em there along with everyone else....the more booths = the better for NPM dale    
(back) Subject: dales last on NPM From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:42:00 EDT   Fun was had by all.   dale    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:24:23 -0500   The ACV is a Johannus Monarke with a factory picked stoplist, versus the = =3D standard Monarke where the entire instrument is customer selected.=3D20   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: Re: NPM     In a message dated 7/20/2003 7:21:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:     The company with the biggest display was JOHANNUS and had 2 Monarke = =3D organs there.       i did not realize the ACV was a monarke=3D20 they advertise to my church as a J....   dale=3D20    
(back) Subject: Re: NPM From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:26:04 -0500   Yes, we could have had a good time together. Next time maybe.   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: Re: NPM     In a message dated 7/20/2003 7:21:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:     several pipe organ makers and all displays were a joy to look = through     glad the booths wer fun, they are usually that way at AGO too.   sorry to you too that an opportunity to meet you was missed.   dale in Florida=20    
(back) Subject: Re: dales last on NPM From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:29:42 -0500   Fun while working got to be one of the best jobs around. My hat off to NPM, a grand effort that spelled success.   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: dales last on NPM     Fun was had by all.   dale=3D20