PipeChat Digest #3823 - Monday, July 21, 2003
 
Re: Show about church getting an organ
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Shipping Pipes
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Nibelle Toccata (x-posted)
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Re: Nibelle Toccata (x-posted)
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Show about church getting an organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Wordsmith
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Show about church getting an organ
  by "Wayne Leupold" <WLeupold@msn.com>
Ta Tromera Paidia tis Katerini
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Ta Tromera Paidia tis Katerini
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
live IRC chat tonight at 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Show about church getting an organ From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:54:44 EDT   Mike,     Could the movie be "Angel in my Pocket" with Andy Griffiths?      
(back) Subject: Re: Shipping Pipes From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:19:15 -0700   >Listers, > >I apologize for sending this to both lists, but, sometimes the DIY >list isn't as active. Anyway, I will very likely be shipping some >ranks of pipes. How is the best way and most cost effective way for >us amateurs to do this? As "little guys" we don't have accounts >with large shipping companies. > >Do we ship in our pipe crates? Do we ship in special cardboard >boxes? Do we use UPS, FedEx, or some kind of trucking company? > >I would appreciate some practical advice in this matter - especially >with respect to an amateur who wants to ship 4-6 ranks of pipes. > >Thanks, >Keith   Hi Keith, We ship pipes all the time, we fund our volunteer project with Ebay sales. After playing around with cardboard and never having the right size box we switched to crates wherever possible.   we keep a stock of low grade pine 1x4, 1x6, 1x10, etc. in 8 ft lengths and 1/4" OSB sheets: 4' x 8' cut lenghthwise into 2' x 8'   Basically we cut the stock to make a pipetray - with top and bottom - length depending on the set of pipes, screwed together with cordless driver and sheetrock screws. pipes are packed using lots of bubble wrap, and "peanuts" to fill voids. The top is placed on and several cleats added cross wise to both sides of the crate. See the postal service as well as UPS websites to see what your size/weight limits are. Larger goes by truck, we use the following: very reasonable....   Ms. Amber Lawson Domestic Executive American Container Line 1340 Tully Rd Suite 313 San Jose, CA 95122-USA Tel: 408-298-7471 Fax:408-298-7472 e-mail: <mailto:amber@acline.com>amber@acline.com <http://www.americancontainerline.com>www.americancontainerline.com   Also if you can find a business to let you use a dock. truck freight is much cheaper dock to dock. going directly to a truck terminal also saves $$   John V      
(back) Subject: Nibelle Toccata (x-posted) From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:12:20 -0500           In looking at chunks of organ music at most every opportunity, I recent= ly took a chance on buying a 2nd-hand copy of H.J.J. Nibelle's Toccata (published 1947 by Lemoine) and looked at it for the first time yesterd= ay afternoon. For me it was a highlight of my recent buying binge--one of those moments at which I'm forced to take stock of my sheltered life an= d figure how best to expand my horizons. I wonder how many people on thes= e lists play it or have heard it. If you like late-Romantic, Impressionis= t music, do look for this. It's difficult, and I don't intend to clip alo= ng at 132 per quarter note, as the tempo is given, if for no other reason = :-) than the harmonies are too rich and ravishing for the ear to appreciate=   them at such a furious pace. This is a listener-friendly work, more alo= ng the lines of Faur=E9, Piern=E9, and Fleury than those other better-know= n but too-often-less-interesting-to-me French composers who seem to dominate = the 20th-century organ world.   This makes me wonder what his other organ works are like. Let me know y= our thoughts if you have any, please. Also, if anyone owns a score of this toccata, I'd like to touch bases with you privately on seeming typos an= d other problems in the score. My copy is a bit difficult to decipher in spots. I don't know if this is typical of all copies (printed rather so= on after WWII in France) or if I have a fluke.   Many thanks, Bob Lind=      
(back) Subject: Re: Nibelle Toccata (x-posted) From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:45:33 -0500   on 7/21/03 12:12 PM, lindr@cch.com at lindr@cch.com wrote:   > > > > > In looking at chunks of organ music at most every opportunity, I = recently > took a chance on buying a 2nd-hand copy of H.J.J. Nibelle's Toccata > (published 1947 by Lemoine)....   It's a great piece. I bought a new copy distributed by Theodore Presser three or so years ago, published together with his "Carillon Orleanais." I've played the toccata a couple of times since then, once at a Cincinnati AGO Chapter members' recital. No one there had heard it before, as I recall.   I did find one misprint, 22 measures before the end (the fourth measure of page 21): in the left hand the fourth beat should be a G instead of a B (there's a B-flat in the pedal). My copy looks pretty clean, so feel free to query me about doubtful spots.   I agree with you about the beauties linking this piece to works by Fleury, whom I adore.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Show about church getting an organ From: "bruce cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:19:13 -0400   From: "Mike" <organist@clover.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:43:20 -0700   <This morning, the minister was telling me about a show he watched about a year ago on TV. It was about a small church In North Carolina, I think) who decided to get a pipe organ. It followed the progress of the congregation through the debates, arguments, and eventually the arrival and installation of the new instrument. >   I remember seeing this, as well. I believe it was done by Holtkamp. I don't recall where it was, but PBS or one of the channels such as Discovery, Arts & Entertainment, or The Learning Channel. It was a fine program. Seems it was a United Methodist Church. Good luck. I hope you find it. It was a fine program.   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 HELP SOME ANIMALS FOR FREE: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i AND http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=308025421    
(back) Subject: Wordsmith From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:40:11 -0400   There are a couple of guys on this list (I THINK it's on this list) who are absolute wizards about LANGUAGE.   One of them is TommyLee. Him I know. And he has been EXTREMELY helpful to me with my silly questions.   But I'm trying to remember the name of the OTHER one. He posted a month or so ago about pronouns and tenses in Old English or some such thing.   Would he mind identifying himself? (Right this second, I can't even remember the question I wanted to ask him, but it will come back. Or maybe I need more help than I KNOW!)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Show about church getting an organ From: "Wayne Leupold" <WLeupold@msn.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:13:45 -0400   The church was probably Jamestown UMC in Jamestown NC. It seems the show = was an AGO sponsored documentary for the centennial. The organ installed = was a Holtkamp. The church is about a 2000+ member congregation. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bruce cornely=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Show about church getting an organ     From: "Mike" <organist@clover.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:43:20 -0700   <This morning, the minister was telling me about a show he watched=20 about a year ago on TV. It was about a small church In North=20 Carolina, I think) who decided to get a pipe organ. It followed the=20 progress of the congregation through the debates, arguments, and=20 eventually the arrival and installation of the new instrument. >   I remember seeing this, as well. I believe it was done by Holtkamp. =   I don't recall where it was, but PBS or one of the channels such as=20 Discovery, Arts & Entertainment, or The Learning Channel. =20 It was a fine program. Seems it was a United Methodist Church. Good luck. I hope you find it. It was a fine program.   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at =20 HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =20 HELP SOME ANIMALS FOR FREE: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i=20 AND http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D308025421   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Ta Tromera Paidia tis Katerini From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:47:20 +0100 (BST)   Thank you, Alan for your post on our talented children on Mount Olympus. Like air crashes, there is, I am sure, more than one reason. Maybe you have something in the "genetic" suggestion - music was one of the three main subjects taught in the Ancient Greek school here in Dion, and this is where Alexander the Great trained his troops before setting out on his military adventures. Music was an important part of the school curriculum, along with gymnastics, and was certainly not regarded as a subject only fit for girls. The world's first organ, the Hydraulis, was arguably built here - probably predating the one in Alexandria - Dion was built long before Alexandria. The remains of a Hydraulis have been found here, and Alexander the Great started his journey here. Alexander's army was one of the fittest fighting forces ever to venture forth to battle, however he took with him architects, builders, writers and scientists, for his aim was to create, not destroy. Recent scientific studies in the UK have shown that the basic genetic structures in specific areas have remained remarkably constant over the centuries. A second factor is Giannis Adamidis, who was brought up in the orphanage in Katerini 50 years ago - a remarkable institution which has produced some outstanding students - though it has been closed for many years now, as the need has declined. (In the Greek civil war, which followed on from the second world war, the fighting was bitter and many families died, mainly at the hands of the communists. Several thousand children were "stolen" and taken to Albania. It is a tragic story.) Giannis Adamidis is a gifted musician and the American Missionary Society, which has funded the Evangelical Church in Katerini, paid for his musical studies in Berlin, which included the organ and piano. On his return he started teaching the piano, persuaded the town to fund a music school, set up a choir and orchestra, got the church to buy a 2 manual tracker action organ, (the second largest in Greece) and has been a dynamo of activity here for forty years. He is a great motivator, and regularly hauls me in as bass soloist in local concerts, which have included Handel's Messiah and so on. I have lived here a mere 15 years, though I hope I have contributed to the musical life of the community both as teacher and performer. A further factor is the tremendous desire of Greek parents for their children to be well educated. Greece was primarily an agricultural community until fairly recently - about 22% of the population is still engaged in farming. Parents want their children to become professionally qualified, and since joining the European Union Greece has become considerably more affluent. Many families have pianos in addition to the proliferation of BMW's and Mercedes! So to be a good musician is a matter of pride - and not scoffed at by one's peers. Also we have the Gods of Mount Olympus looking down on us, good water and wine and the mediterranean climate! What more could one want? John Foss www.johnfoss.gr     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Ta Tromera Paidia tis Katerini From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:13:00 -0400   John: Thanks very much. I even read the subject line OK, except that I guessed at the adjective--and then my Greek techie walked in, and confirmed that I'd pretty much hit it right on. (Unfortunate are the connections between "tromera" and "terrific" and "terror/terrible.")   On 7/21/03 4:47 PM, "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Thank you, Alan for your post on our talented children > on Mount Olympus. Like air crashes, there is, I am > sure, more than one reason. Maybe you have something > in the "genetic" suggestion - music was one of the > three main subjects taught in the Ancient Greek school > here in Dion, and this is where Alexander the Great > trained his troops before setting out on his military > adventures. Music was an important part of the school > curriculum, along with gymnastics, and was certainly > not regarded as a subject only fit for girls. The > world's first organ, the Hydraulis, was arguably built > here - probably predating the one in Alexandria - Dion > was built long before Alexandria. The remains of a > Hydraulis have been found here, and Alexander the > Great started his journey here. Alexander's army was > one of the fittest fighting forces ever to venture > forth to battle, however he took with him architects, > builders, writers and scientists, for his aim was to > create, not destroy. Recent scientific studies in the > UK have shown that the basic genetic structures in > specific areas have remained remarkably constant over > the centuries. A second factor is Giannis Adamidis, > who was brought up in the orphanage in Katerini 50 > years ago - a remarkable institution which has > produced some outstanding students - though it has > been closed for many years now, as the need has > declined. (In the Greek civil war, which followed on > from the second world war, the fighting was bitter and > many families died, mainly at the hands of the > communists. Several thousand children were "stolen" > and taken to Albania. It is a tragic story.) Giannis > Adamidis is a gifted musician and the American > Missionary Society, which has funded the Evangelical > Church in Katerini, paid for his musical studies in > Berlin, which included the organ and piano. On his > return he started teaching the piano, persuaded the > town to fund a music school, set up a choir and > orchestra, got the church to buy a 2 manual tracker > action organ, (the second largest in Greece) and has > been a dynamo of activity here for forty years. He is > a great motivator, and regularly hauls me in as bass > soloist in local concerts, which have included > Handel's Messiah and so on. I have lived here a mere > 15 years, though I hope I have contributed to the > musical life of the community both as teacher and > performer. A further factor is the tremendous desire > of Greek parents for their children to be well > educated. Greece was primarily an agricultural > community until fairly recently - about 22% of the > population is still engaged in farming. Parents want > their children to become professionally qualified, and > since joining the European Union Greece has become > considerably more affluent. Many families have pianos > in addition to the proliferation of BMW's and > Mercedes! So to be a good musician is a matter of > pride - and not scoffed at by one's peers. Also we > have the Gods of Mount Olympus looking down on us, > good water and wine and the mediterranean climate! > What more could one want? > John Foss > www.johnfoss.gr > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: live IRC chat tonight at 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:24:00 -0700   Directions:   http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Newbies always welcome ... there's a grace period before we use you as our new chew-toy (chuckle). No, we WON'T tell you how LONG it is (giggle).   If you're on a PC and have trouble setting up mIRC, e-mail my 'puter guru Burgie at:   beejayusa@socal.rr.com   or call us at 714-840-6141   and he can talk you through it.   Sorry, don't have a CLEW about MAC, but I understand ircl is MUCH easier to set up than mIRC (figures).   Fearless Leader is a MAC user ... you can e-mail him at:   David@blackiris.com   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:32:27 -0700   Gil Thweatt wrote:   Bud, so that you will have the Vestry's decision officially, starting September 1, 2003, for the remainder of 2003:   Your compensation (salary, housing allowance and insurance allowance) will be reduced 10%   Your compensation will be reduced by $150 for each missed weekly rehearsal or either of the two Sunday services   Your compensation will be reduced by $100 for each missed Tuesday Evensong   About December 1, 2003, we need to review who will do what for the 2004 music program and start planning for Holy Week 2004.       ____________________________________________________           OK, just so you will have MY decision officially,   I RESIGN AS ORGANIST/CHOIRMASTER OF ST. MATTHEW'S ANGLICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1st, 2003.   Signed,   Raymond H. Clark     ____________________________________________________       If anyone wishes to express themselves concerning this:   http://www.stmatthewsacc.com/contact.html            
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:59:35 -0400   Bud,   So now you're being penalized for being ill? And keep in mind, they WANT you to quit.   Luvya, Victoria     In a message dated 7/21/2003 7:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > Bud, so that you will have the Vestry's decision officially, starting > September 1, 2003, for the remainder of 2003: > > Your compensation (salary, housing allowance and insurance allowance) > will be reduced 10% > > Your compensation will be reduced by $150 for each missed weekly > rehearsal or either of the two Sunday services > > Your compensation will be reduced by $100 for each missed Tuesday Evensong > > About December 1, 2003, we need to review who will do what > for the 2004 > music program and start planning for Holy Week 2004.  
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:19:12 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> To: ""PipeChat"" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)     > Bud, > > So now you're being penalized for being ill? And keep in mind, they WANT you to quit.   Not so the vestry of one church I used to belong to. The elderly woman organist of forty years' standing was starting to have dizzy spells and passed out a couple of times in the service. She was not enjoying good health and was not expected to live long. They voted that she would retire, but that she would be paid her FULL SALARY for the rest of her life in lieu of pension. They got more than they bargained for. She lived for more than thirty years more and died at the age of 103. Wishing you the same, Bud,   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:46:01 -0400   Gee whiz -   Correct me if I'm wrong: The church can deduct as much as $550 per week if you have a car wreck and can't make it to Evensong, Choir Practice and 2 Sunday services. If you don't make that much in the course of a week you could end up paying them during your absence -- but then again -- that's one of the burden's we as church musicians have to shoulder -- It really does sound like they want you to quit.....   just my 2 cents worth---   Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute)(4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/98 Ruffati/Wicks/Rodgers) CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/AGO ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy" <AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy@yahoogroups.com>; "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com>; "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: I QUIT! (x-posted)     > Gil Thweatt wrote: > > Bud, so that you will have the Vestry's decision officially, starting > September 1, 2003, for the remainder of 2003: > > Your compensation (salary, housing allowance and insurance allowance) > will be reduced 10% > > Your compensation will be reduced by $150 for each missed weekly > rehearsal or either of the two Sunday services > > Your compensation will be reduced by $100 for each missed Tuesday Evensong > > About December 1, 2003, we need to review who will do what for the 2004 > music program and start planning for Holy Week 2004. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > OK, just so you will have MY decision officially, > > I RESIGN AS ORGANIST/CHOIRMASTER OF ST. MATTHEW'S ANGLICAN CATHOLIC > CHURCH, NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1st, 2003. > > Signed, > > Raymond H. Clark > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > If anyone wishes to express themselves concerning this: > > http://www.stmatthewsacc.com/contact.html > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:49:33 EDT   I would email Fred Swann a.s.a.p. and hire an attorney. Shame on them! = If they play hardball, screw them as bad as you can! Maybe put a paragraph = in your local AGO newsletter too.   Apologies,   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632 home 708.243.2549 cell <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>    
(back) Subject: RE: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:47:58 -0400   Bud,   You could have sued them if they were docking your pay for being sick!   Andrew Meagher   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:32 PM To: anglican-music@list.stsams.org; AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy; organchat; PipeChat Subject: I QUIT! (x-posted)     Gil Thweatt wrote:   Bud, so that you will have the Vestry's decision officially, starting September 1, 2003, for the remainder of 2003:   Your compensation (salary, housing allowance and insurance allowance) will be reduced 10%   Your compensation will be reduced by $150 for each missed weekly rehearsal or either of the two Sunday services   Your compensation will be reduced by $100 for each missed Tuesday Evensong   About December 1, 2003, we need to review who will do what for the 2004 music program and start planning for Holy Week 2004.       ____________________________________________________           OK, just so you will have MY decision officially,   I RESIGN AS ORGANIST/CHOIRMASTER OF ST. MATTHEW'S ANGLICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1st, 2003.   Signed,   Raymond H. Clark     ____________________________________________________       If anyone wishes to express themselves concerning this:   http://www.stmatthewsacc.com/contact.html           "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org