PipeChat Digest #3826 - Tuesday, July 22, 2003
 
Re: my resignation
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net>
Bud
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Bud
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: my resignation
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
IRC tonight, Tuesday, 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: IRC tonight, Tuesday, 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Bud, etc
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: I QUIT! --  One More Round Before I Go...
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Bob Lind e-mail
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: ACC
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "Ronald Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Circular Saw
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Resubmission of the two chopped sentences
  by "Ronald Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com>
RE: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: I QUIT! (x-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: my resignation From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:40:42 -0400     >Bud, > >We accept your resignation, effective immediately. We will pay your >compensation through July and August. Your pay check is scheduled to be >mailed to you this week. Your insurance and housing allowances will be >mailed on schedule. > >Please pick up your belongings at church and leave your keys with the >office as soon as possible.     Gee, talk about here's your hat, what's your hurry!!!!   Mura      
(back) Subject: Bud From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:11:26 -0400   IMHO, Bud's resignation was ill advised, as it left him with no leverage to negotiate, and may have also left him without any possibility of unemployment insurance payments. Obviously the precise details of his employment contract are not known to us, but, frankly, walking off in a snit or a huff is counter-productive. Had he handled the matter differently, with all due respect to Bud, he might have come out better in the end.   Notwithstanding the foregoing, the emails we've all seen clearly indicate a religious institution with an appallingly callous attitude towards an employee who would seem to be highly competent and devoted to his work. As others have noted, however, religious institutions somehow and sometimes seem to confine their devotion to ethics and morals to an hour or so on Sunday morning, as would seem to be the case here.   As others have also noted, however, civil courts are loathe to involve themselves in church disputes where the dispute has a component of church doctrine and/or discipline. In Massachusetts, the Supreme Judicial Court has held that the Christian Science Church could fire an organist because she was a lesbian and refused to comply with church discipline for homosexuals (e.g., repent and refrain). The facts as we know them in Bud's case do not seem to lend themselves to issues of doctrine or discipline, but seem to be a relatively straightforward matter of contract, over which civil courts will certainly entertain jurisdiction. Should Bud decide to "sue the bastards", I suggest that he see a lawyer (preferably one who is also an organist or well-informed about church/state and First Amendment issues) and be careful to avoid dragging issues of church "doctrine and/or discipline" into the fray.   Best wishes, David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Bud From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:26:30 -0700       David Baker wrote: > IMHO, Bud's resignation was ill advised, as it left him with no leverage > to negotiate, and may have also left him without any possibility of > unemployment insurance payments. Obviously the precise details of his > employment contract are not known to us, but, frankly, walking off in a > snit or a huff is counter-productive. Had he handled the matter > differently, with all due respect to Bud, he might have come out better > in the end. >   Um, David, maybe you missed this: by cutting my salary, they forced me to resign so I can get welfare, which will pay for my heart medications. I have no prescription benefits through my (minimal) health insurance with Kaiser. The reduced salary would have made it impossible for ME to pay for them.   I'm well-aware that resigning didn't leave me in a position of strength.   The church is exempt from paying into both unemployment insurance and State disability insurance. We were negotiating that as a part of next year's contract, but obviously they chose to save the money.   The other issue was making the choir loft handicapped-accessible for me. I may pursue that one. They got an exemption, but the "equivalent space" they provided on the floor of the nave was done away with before the inspector's car was out of the parking lot.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: my resignation From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:29:02 -0700   Oh, no ... the dude that we'd hired to be my associate turned tail and ran back to the Methodists as fast as his legs would carry him. We're friends ... he feels terrible about all this. No, HE'S not going to work for them (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Michael Franch wrote: > Sounds like someone else was offered your job way before you were > presented with the *new* proposal. > > Don't be surprised if you run into your successor, who was waiting to > move in. > > Fast forward a few years..... > > Your successor is now the "old" regime. The *new* style of doing things > fell flat in its face. Those new young church-goers, who change their > religious beliefs like the wind fly to another fly-by-night operation, > while the older members, missing the traditional services, find another > traditional church to attend. > > Make sure you give him/her a copy of your resignation and post date it > 10 or so years from now. It'll save his hands from writing it him (or > her) self. > > > Mike Franch > in Madison, WI > > >> From: quilisma@socal.rr.com >> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> To: anglican-music@list.stsams.org, >> AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy >> <AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy@yahoogroups.com>, organchat >> <organchat@egroups.com>, PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Subject: my resignation >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:56:55 -0700 >> >> To: quilisma@socal.rr.com >> CC: "Fr. Stephen Scarlett" <frs@stmatthewsacc.com>, "The Rev'd Fr. >> Richard Stapp" <stappr@sbcglobal.net>, "Brounstein, The Rev'd Mr. >> David" <CPADABINC@aol.com>, Al Beimfohr <abeimfohr@knightsb.com>, >> "Guggenheim, Dan" <dguggie@aol.com>, George Pavlov >> <georgempavlov@hotmail.com>, "Welles, Jeff" <jeff@prusd.com>, Tom Hery >> <tomhery@cox.net>, info@stmatthewsacc.com >> >> Bud, >> >> We accept your resignation, effective immediately. We will pay your >> compensation through July and August. Your pay check is scheduled to >> be mailed to you this week. Your insurance and housing allowances >> will be mailed on schedule. >> >> Please pick up your belongings at church and leave your keys with the >> office as soon as possible. >> >> Gil >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: IRC tonight, Tuesday, 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:40:16 -0700   Um, I'll be on, since I no longer have to play Evensong (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: IRC tonight, Tuesday, 9 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:42:08 -0400   On 7/22/03 7:40 PM, "quilisma@socal.rr.com" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote:   > Um, I'll be on, since I no longer have to play Evensong (chuckle). > It IS Tuesday, isn't it? You'd better hustle over there!   Enjoy this vacation; it may not last awfully long.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Bud, etc From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:45:33 -0400   I went through a similar experience in 1999, some of you may remember. My 22 year tenure as Music Director at a large suburban Methodist church was overturned by a new senior minister who was only really concerned about what would attract the unchurched. This was a church with a graded music program in voice, bell, and brass choirs populated 380 volunteer participants. New minister: "Chuck, less than 10% of the American public attends symphony concerts. Tell me the truth, how many popular and rock CD's do you have in your house?" It is four years later and he has moved on, leaving that church without the cash to pay its District apportionments since the first time the church was founded. Giving units went from almost 1000 to 385. He crowed about his success from the pulpit when he was moved, and crowed about how his exceptional talents were needed where he was newly appointed. As we glimpsed from Bud's story, discerning the truth can be difficult to the point of making you question your own sanity.   What I learned from this experience is twofold. First: the clergy (or Vestry, or whatever you substitute) will always win. Even people whose kids I taught and who I counted as friends turned as cold as the man writing Bud's termination notice. There is something about questioning the church and/or the ordained in any way that simply shuts down any sympathy they might have for you, especially if they're not privy to all the gory details. I was told that I wasn't to expect to be able to choose the anthems that were sung in worship. My job was to simply prepare the choir to sing what He wanted them to sing. I was told that I was on probation, that I was forbidden to give an opinion or perspective that did not exactly reflect what the Minister wanted. I was told that after two years of said probation I MIGHT again be granted some input into how the music department should function. Corporate people likened it to their corporate structure: your job is to find out what the boss wants and wordlessly give it to him before he even asks. I was left without support as the harassment continued.   However, as Bud did, I resigned. I shouldn't have. But I was hurt and tired and mortified and angry and disillusioned. So, the second thing I learned is: DO NOT MAKE IT THAT EASY FOR THEM. I'm serious, I'm giving advice to anyone who encounters this sort of situation. I did the wrong thing. I think some of the lack of support came from the fact that, to those only casually aware (and doesn't that apply to three-quarters of any given congregation?), it looked like I was either leaving in a snit or giving up without a fight. Neither was the case, but... perception is everything. There was so much committee drama that, as far as the larger congregation was concerned (and because, I too, was loath to openly criticize the clergy or the governing committees) I simply resigned without making more waves. So, I'm saying to everyone: MAKE WAVES! MAKE WAVES!   Chuck Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:55:54 -0700   Dear Friends and Colleagues,   As of Sept. 1, we (a family of four, all disabled) will be on the street. We have no savings, no properties, no portfolio ... no nuttin', honey (grin).   We are planning to move back to San Diego, because it's cheaper to live there, and we have friends there ... but I have no idea how we're going to GET there.   I hope the listowners will excuse me if this is inappropriate, but we're somewhat desperate at this point.   If anyone is in a position to help out, the address below will be good through August; then there will be a forwarding address.   Most of all, please PRAY for us.   Cheers,   Bud Clark 4901 Heil Ave., Apt A-4 Huntington Beach CA 92649-3418      
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! -- One More Round Before I Go... From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:01:34 -0500   Hello, Paul et al: You wrote: * * * > > And I know it happens. There is a parish near me whom > a priestess is turning upside down with her obsessive > revisionism. She is alienating traditionalists in droves, > and she doesn't care. Another former colleague, whom > I hadn't seen for several years, told me that when the > minister of her Methodist church explained to her that > he wanted "country-western" Christmas services this year, > she decided that it was time to go. This guy has also > stated to certain people that anyone over 50 is irrelevant > to the future of the congregation and doesn't need to be > listened to. Put on your time-warp glasses and look behind you for a moment. It doesn't seem very long ago that a group of almost "wild" young people entered into something that was generally known as the "Berkeley Revolution," and their theme was to change the establishment. "Don't trust anybody, ...or anyting over 30 years of age." They threw out Grandma, Grandad, Mom, Dad, the church, the Bible, and some even spewed, "God is dead!" It wasn't original; just something they read in class by a 20th Century German philosopher.   Now, turn around. These same "kids" are the leaders of the modern church. They didn't change reality very much, so they attacked what they could change. The cry that "anyone over 50 is irrelevant to the future of the congregation and doesn't need to be listened to" isn't a very well veiled carry over from the Berkeley kids when they shouted, "Don't trust anybody, ...or anyting over 30 years of age." Is anyone really that surprised that sowing wild oats has grown into maturity as "wild" leadership roles, ....and they are expressing their "wild" lifestyles in what was the bastion of morality, THE CHURCH. Hmmmmmm. "I wonder as I wander out under the sky, why Jesus, the Savior, did come for to die..." the spiritual writer pondered. Do not be dismayed. He came for a purpose far greater than this minor hiccough in the course of life on earth. Those that find it are privileged, indeed. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..  
(back) Subject: Bob Lind e-mail From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:15:15 -0500   I got a call from lister Bob Lind this afternoon to say that he is no = longer at CCH. Both Robert_Lind@cch.com and lindr@cch.com addresses are no = longer valid. You can reach him at his church account - LIND@gslc.org but it may take a while before he is re-subscribed to the list.   Michael        
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:05:14 EDT   In a message dated 7/22/03 6:17:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mvfranch@hotmail.com writes:   << Let's see how long it takes for them to remove your 'bio' on their website. >>   As well as his picture. He's a very handsome man.  
(back) Subject: Re: ACC From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:17:38 -0500   I know Cavaill=E9-Coll did invent eveners on organ reservoirs (at the age = of sixteen), and also that he assisted Foucault in determining the velocity = of light, but don't know anything about circular saws.   John Speller.   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: ACC     > In a message dated 7/22/2003 5:02:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pipechat@pipechat.org writes: > > > > While reading about A.C.C.-I learned that he invented the > > CIRCULAR SAW! How's that for an interesting piece of trivia???!!! > > That does surprise me. I had been telling all my employees that it was > invented by Les Digits.      
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:18:53 -0400   On 7/22/03 9:05 PM, "ContraReed@aol.com" <ContraReed@aol.com> wrote:   > << Let's see how long it takes for them to remove your 'bio' on their > website. >> > > As well as his picture. He's a very handsome man.   Yeah, but nobody gives the website address; I didn't even know they HAD one!   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "Ronald Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:21:04 +0000   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:29:13 -0700   Oh, sorry! It's   http://www.stmatthewsacc.com/   If you go to "contact us", there are also some e-mail addresses, should anyone feel called to comment on this situation (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote: > On 7/22/03 9:05 PM, "ContraReed@aol.com" <ContraReed@aol.com> wrote: > > >><< Let's see how long it takes for them to remove your 'bio' on their >>website. >> >> >>As well as his picture. He's a very handsome man. > > > Yeah, but nobody gives the website address; I didn't even know they HAD one! > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:34:30 -0400   Alan,   At 09:18 PM 7/22/03 -0400, you wrote,   >Yeah, but nobody gives the website address; I didn't even know they HAD one! > >Alan   If you look up Bud's original message he gave it there, I thought that i had saved it, but seems not.   Do a Google search on St. Matthews Anglican Church California   Best wishes,   Bob Conway     >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Circular Saw From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:00:21 -0500   The circular saw is normally claimed to have been a Shaker invention, as is the flat broom and the spring clothespin.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower   -----Original Message----- Subject: Cavaille-Coll Anthology From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:43:41 EDT   I just received my copy of the Cavaille-Coll 6 cd set from the OHS. The set covers 34 organs, including early instruments, as well as many orgues du   choeur. There is even a Cavaille-Coll harmonioum that is quite sublime. Included with the set are pictures and specs for all the organs, builder history, and organist bios. While reading about A.C.C.-I learned that he invented the CIRCULAR SAW! How's that for an interesting piece of trivia      
(back) Subject: Resubmission of the two chopped sentences From: "Ronald Gibson" <gibsonronald@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:15:34 +0000   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: RE: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:55 -0500   Will you please send some of those old-guard well-heeled parishioners to northwest Florida to my newly established Anglo-American Church of the Redeemed Harley Hogs? I could use some of them, and will cherish, appreciate and coddle them. I'll even help draft the wills and do probate for them.   Actually, we are having some of the same problems in churches down here, but I'm glad to hear of the imminent influx of these people and will much look forward to their advent.   My prayers are with you, Bud.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Emmons, Paul Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1:56 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: I QUIT! (x-posted)   And then the old guard retire to Florida or Arizona, where they join flourishing, well-heeled churches that maybe weren't even in existence thirty years ago. After a little while, they die leaving money to *these* churches in their wills, without a mention of their home parishes up north. I used to think that this was a great injustice and a classic symptom of senile memory loss and gullibility; but when one hears such stories about how these places have all but told them outright to f**k off, in such cases they deserve to lose.          
(back) Subject: Re: I QUIT! (x-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:02:41 -0700   Thank you, Glenda!   CHeers,   Bud   Glenda wrote: > Will you please send some of those old-guard well-heeled parishioners to > northwest Florida to my newly established Anglo-American Church of the > Redeemed Harley Hogs? I could use some of them, and will cherish, > appreciate and coddle them. I'll even help draft the wills and do > probate for them. > > Actually, we are having some of the same problems in churches down here, > but I'm glad to hear of the imminent influx of these people and will > much look forward to their advent. > > My prayers are with you, Bud. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Emmons, Paul > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1:56 PM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: I QUIT! (x-posted) > > And then the old guard retire to Florida or Arizona, where they join > flourishing, well-heeled churches that maybe weren't even in existence > thirty years ago. After a little while, they die leaving money to > *these* > churches in their wills, without a mention of their home parishes up > north. > I used to think that this was a great injustice and a classic symptom of > senile memory loss and gullibility; but when one hears such stories > about > how these places have all but told them outright to f**k off, in such > cases > they deserve to lose. > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: RE: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:02:40 -0400   Bud,   You seem highly qualified and I don't think finding another job will be hard for you. Especially during the summer when the most church jobs open up of any time of the year. I would reccommend looking on the AGO and NPM sights and elsewhere immediately for other jobs. I would help you if I could but I am starting a new job myself on August 1st at a church in Watertown, NY and won't have much money until I start getting paid. Good luck and I hope you get another job soon.   Andrew Meagher   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 PM To: anglican-music@list.stsams.org; AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy; organchat; PipeChat Subject: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP     Dear Friends and Colleagues,   As of Sept. 1, we (a family of four, all disabled) will be on the street. We have no savings, no properties, no portfolio ... no nuttin', honey (grin).   We are planning to move back to San Diego, because it's cheaper to live there, and we have friends there ... but I have no idea how we're going to GET there.   I hope the listowners will excuse me if this is inappropriate, but we're somewhat desperate at this point.   If anyone is in a position to help out, the address below will be good through August; then there will be a forwarding address.   Most of all, please PRAY for us.   Cheers,   Bud Clark 4901 Heil Ave., Apt A-4 Huntington Beach CA 92649-3418     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:22 -0700   Thank you, Andrew!   Cheers,   Bud   andrew meagher wrote: > Bud, > > You seem highly qualified and I don't think finding another job will be hard > for you. Especially during the summer when the most church jobs open up of > any time of the year. I would reccommend looking on the AGO and NPM sights > and elsewhere immediately for other jobs. I would help you if I could but I > am starting a new job myself on August 1st at a church in Watertown, NY and > won't have much money until I start getting paid. Good luck and I hope you > get another job soon. > > Andrew Meagher > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > quilisma@socal.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 PM > To: anglican-music@list.stsams.org; AnglicanMusicLiturgyandControversy; > organchat; PipeChat > Subject: BUD CLARK - REQUEST FOR HELP > > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > As of Sept. 1, we (a family of four, all disabled) will be on the > street. We have no savings, no properties, no portfolio ... no nuttin', > honey (grin). > > We are planning to move back to San Diego, because it's cheaper to live > there, and we have friends there ... but I have no idea how we're going > to GET there. > > I hope the listowners will excuse me if this is inappropriate, but we're > somewhat desperate at this point. > > If anyone is in a position to help out, the address below will be good > through August; then there will be a forwarding address. > > Most of all, please PRAY for us. > > Cheers, > > Bud Clark > 4901 Heil Ave., Apt A-4 > Huntington Beach CA 92649-3418 > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >