PipeChat Digest #3831 - Saturday, July 26, 2003
 
Re: Church Iniquities : Holy Trinity SLoane Street
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
PD organ music - next installment
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: Out with the"old," in with the "new"
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: PD organ music - next installment
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: RE: PD organ music - next installment
  by <giwro@adelphia.net>
aggressive approach
  by "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com>
Re: aggressive approach
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
IRC
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: IRC
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: IRC
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: IRC
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: IRC
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Church Iniquities : Holy Trinity SLoane Street From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:06:40 +0100 (BST)   Dear Group, It would be unfair to tar all the clergy with the same brush. There are men and women out there doing great work. On looking through "Betjeman's London" published by John Murray, whose recently published authoritative Biography of Lord Byron by Fiona Hardcastle is highly to be recommended, I searched for and found the following lines by Sir John Betjeman, Poet Laureate (from The Sunday Times, 15th September 1974).   Holy Trinity, Sloane Street   Bishop, archdeacon, rector, wardens, mayor Guardians of Chelsea's noblest house of prayer,   You who your church's vastness deplore "Should we not sell and give it to the poor?"   Recall, despite your prctical suggestion Which the disciple was who asked that question.   John Foss   www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: PD organ music - next installment From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:42:29 -0700   Hello friends,   Thanks to Leon Kerremans in Belgium, I have scans for the entire Volume = 3 of Les Maitres!   As I have time, I will convert this to PDF and post it - so here is the = first section, pages 1-13   http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/Scores/LesMaitres/vol3/     Some of you have asked about getting these on CD instead of = downloading... I'd be glad to do so, but I'll have to charge for them, of course = <grin>   If you want it free, you'll have to download it!   I'll also continue scanning volume 6, and hopefully have that one = finished by the end of the summer   Best to you all, and enjoy!   Jonathan     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/03  
(back) Subject: RE: Out with the"old," in with the "new" From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:25:57 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve     A quick 'ring' in:   Every time a parish changes in venezuelan RC church, the exiting parish must "clean" the church of the personnel that worked under him. The new parish usually brings his own staff or hires new people or re-hires the exiting staff if he wants to- but anyway all employees have to resign formally. This way "but-our-former-boss-did-things-a-different-way" struggles and other problems are swiftly avoided. Parishes usually form their staff and move it from church to church with them.   I am out of these policies to some extent because good organists (read: suckers like me who come day after day after day to play mass no matter the weather, and *know what they're doing*) are hard to get. This is not self-praising but a sad truth.- At the technical side it's worse because I am the only tech in whole Venezuela... while we would need at least three to attend the country, which in extension is twice as great as FL. But who would like to work under the circumstances I described so many times. Nobody. I myself are becoming tired, I confess.   I never get myself under contract as an organist/choirmaster again, despite the benefits. Three weeks before signing, all is sugarsweet smiles and politeness and "dear Andres" here and "dear Andres" there. The day after signing, it becomes "Hey, you...!!". As "at will employee" (my current status again) disrespect doesn't become *too* hurting because if, I can pack my belongings and leave, and the parish knows that.- With organ repairs, specially huge projects which involve a lot of time, money and responsibilities from each side, things are different of course.   The belief that young poeople will come to church if worship is done as a cheap Rock-show usually is a "Trugschluss" (to say: a belief that doesn't work out). The young people still stay away from church because the music and the show at the local Disco is so much better. Young people are attracted by appealing preaches about actual problems- but very few priests in my country are willing to take this bold step. It's no good for their career...   > The former organist, who had commissioned the organ under > construction, was replaced by an organ fan   At least the organ got enough wind (LOL)   Cheers Andres    
(back) Subject: RE: PD organ music - next installment From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:54:11 -0400   This is a praiseworthy effort for reference, and I don't wish to discourage it. However, to the extent that this material is in print, I'd still urge people to buy it.   We need to support publishers, especially those who are endeavoring to make (or keep) old material available at reasonable prices, such as Dover, Kalmus/CGG Belwin (as I think the current term is), and Masters Music.   How much money do you actually save by printing pages from a PDF file? Laser printers are still in the neighborhood of $500 last time I checked, and inkjet printing can run to about ten cents a page. If you are a high volume printing person, you pays the big bux for hardware upfront; if not, you spend a much higher amount per page on ink cartridges.   Nevertheless, all you get is an unwieldy and inelegant a sheaf of isolated pages printed on one side, which are practically impossible to play from as they are; so you have to go to the trouble of taping them together and mounting them on some stiffer backing yourself. More expense. This makes them bulky, and you have to store them, complete with the cardboard backing, in cabinets or drawers of some kind. More expense. If the ink is water soluble, look out and don't forget your umbrella, lest Dandrieu turn into Kagel on your way to the organ.   And all the while, your money is going ENTIRELY to companies who KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND CARE LESS ABOUT MUSIC!   I'm old fashioned enough to want properly printed codexes to study and play from, not a flurry of sheets flying around in the breeze. But if my opinion loses out to a mentality of extreme and expedient attempts to get something for nothing, how much longer will we be able to enjoy them?   Paul Emmons    
(back) Subject: Re: RE: PD organ music - next installment From: <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:42:59 -0700   And I would agree with Paul here (even though EYE am the one doing this)   My main purposes for doing this are as follows:   1. Much of this music _IS NOT_ available anymore 2. As noble as it might seem to want to support foks printing old music (and I do - I try to buy PD stuff whenever possible from Kalmus, Masters, etc.) SOME FOLKS are rather strapped for cash, and I hope this helps them 3. I REFUSE to pay exorbitant prices for PD stuff, especially the FRENCH, who seem to delight in charging $40 for 12 pages printed on cheap paper. If you are French, please understand I mean no offense, but it _IS_ the truth.   NOW.   I'm not picking on Paul - we've corresponded and are at least good aquaintances, even friends.... I just need to give ONE more little tidbit...   .50 for the comb binder and 2 sheets of card stock you are at about $5 before tax, which is a FAR CRY from the $40 you would have spent....   bout NOT buying things that are overpriced when you can get it BETTER and CHEAPER another way.   Please remember, folks, this is a rational discussion, not a personal attack - I can see both sides, but felt the need to provide the other perspective.   All the best,   Jonathan   > > From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> > Date: 2003/07/25 Fri PM 12:54:11 PDT > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: RE: PD organ music - next installment > > This is a praiseworthy effort for reference, and I don't wish to discourage > it. However, to the extent that this material is in print, I'd still urge > people to buy it.      
(back) Subject: aggressive approach From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:51:04 -0500   Hmmmmm . . . is someone suggesting that we pull a Martin Luther? I think I could come up with 95 things to post on the church door. Maybe after I leave hee hee! What if the the AGO and AAM and others all had a march on Washington or something high-profile to bring attention to the hypocrisy of some of our employers? If our music is so important to these people and is an integral part of the ministry, why do we have to accept less money than the secretaries, sextons, and clergy. What was that that God was saying to Malachi about those who oppress the hirelings in their wages?   BTW, thank you for the responses to my post earlier. I will be getting in touch soon. Specifically, I am seeking to apprentice with an organbuilder and I am willing to relocate. I am in the Chicago area and wish I could find someone around here. This aside from anything musical, is the only sort of work I am interested in. I have lost count of all the scheissarbeiten I have taken (and lost) just to survive. I am a month short of my 38th b-day and utterly burned out on jobs I hate and working for people who do not like me. I mentioned wanting to start my own firm, but not to compete. I have in mind a specific type of instrument and an approach that has not been looked at. It is a good idea IMNSHO and any company dedicated to quality might be proud to have such instrument coming out of its shop. (Patents applied for)   Restorations interest me as well. What happened to the Medinah Temple Austin? Somebody ought to get the city of Chicago to install it in one of those lofts in the Union Station Great Hall. What about the WTC site? Has anyone brought up the idea for a public instrument there? Ought to be something on the order of Sydney Town Hall there--a full-length 64' Principal perhaps? (polished tin of course) Too many good instruments hiding in churches that don't appreciate them IMNSHO. (such as the 37 ranks I play on Sunday--you ought to hear that Tuba!)   I've got lots of ideas.   jim   O):^)   _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail    
(back) Subject: Re: aggressive approach From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:19:04 EDT   In a message dated 7/25/2003 5:52:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, enigma1685@hotmail.com writes:   > What if the the AGO and AAM and others all had a march on > Washington or something high-profile to bring attention to the hypocrisy = of > some of our employers? If our music is so important   if we ever held a quiet day like the GLSEN(GLESN?) kids did in high = schools accross the US it would be VERY quiet in church. what do you guess, = 2/3rds without organists/choir directors?   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:46:18 -0700   Lacking anything else to do, I'm on (chuckle).   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: IRC From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:29:46 -0500   >Lacking anything else to do, I'm on (chuckle). > >Bud   Well, it IS Friday and this is one of the nights for the "official" IRC sessions held by the PipeChat group beginning at 9 PM EASTERN time.   If you need information about how to connect please go to http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Hope to see you all there shortly.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:32:05 EDT   In a message dated 7/25/03 7:43:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << Lacking anything else to do, I'm on (chuckle). >>   BTW, you did reformat the hard drive of your computer at the church, = didn't you?  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:43:56 -0700   Oh yeah ... Burgie did it the minute we got there to pick up my stuff (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   ContraReed@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/25/03 7:43:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > << Lacking anything else to do, I'm on (chuckle). >> > > BTW, you did reformat the hard drive of your computer at the church, didn't > you? > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: IRC From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:59:36 -0400   I cannot log on to the Server, is the Server down? I tried to go to the Pipechat Web page, but I cannot get on to that either, I get the "Cannot find the Server" message.   Does any one know why?   Bob Conway       At 04:43 PM 7/24/03 -0700, you wrote:   >I have no idea what day it is (grin), but I'm on. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >