PipeChat Digest #3833 - Monday, July 28, 2003
 
Ideas?
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Ideas?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Ideas?
  by "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
RE: Ideas?
  by "Patrick Kujawa" <pkujawa@baystar.com>
RE: Ideas?
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Ideas?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Hymn Books For Sale on eBay
  by "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net>
Re: Ideas? (a few good ones maybe?)
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Ideas?
  by <FastToccata@aol.com>
RE: Ideas?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Ideas?
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Ideas?
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Ideas?
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Ideas?
  by "Chris Tackett" <ctackett1@qwest.net>
Re: Ideas?
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Off to Edinburgh
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: sweet spirit
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
"orphaned" Allen Cavaille-Coll concept organ
  by "Chester H Berry" <cberry@pop.burgoyne.com>
 

(back) Subject: Ideas? From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:01:46 -0500   Hello, PipeChatters, I am a relatively new organist and the pastor at the church where I have been substituting this summer likes contemporary music that was written for the piano or a keyboard, although we have neither of these. Do any of you more experienced organists have ideas as to how to make these songs more "organish"? Thanks. Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"      
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:16:26 -0500       Alicia Zeilenga wrote:   > Hello, PipeChatters, > I am a relatively new organist and the pastor at the church where I have > been substituting this summer likes contemporary music that was written > for the piano or a keyboard, although we have neither of these. Do any > of you more experienced organists have ideas as to how to make these > songs more "organish"?   It goes against the training most classical organists have had, but it is indeed possible to accompany such works on the organ, and be true both to the sense of the music, and to the nature of the organ. I know this to be true, because I've heard it done very succesfully; I confess it is not a skill I posess, yet.   ns   > > Thanks. > Alicia Zeilenga > Sub-Dean AGO@UI > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:20:29 -0400   >Alicia Zeilenga wrote: > >> Hello, PipeChatters, >> I am a relatively new organist and the pastor at the church where I have >> been substituting this summer likes contemporary music that was written >> for the piano or a keyboard, although we have neither of these. Do any >> of you more experienced organists have ideas as to how to make these >> songs more "organish"?   I think most members of the list would rather see you make your pastor more "organish".  
(back) Subject: RE: Ideas? From: "Patrick Kujawa" <pkujawa@baystar.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:35:19 -0500   After just attempting to play an aria from the Messiah - you know, piano reduction of the orchestral score, attempted on an organ with 61 keys, trying to do the violin arpeggios with my hands and keep the tempo up - I'm not the one to answer this today! Thoughts of fire, shredders, etc., come to mind.   Alicia, just don't try to play the entire piano accompaniment. Good luck!   Patrick -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Alicia Zeilenga Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Ideas?   Hello, PipeChatters, I am a relatively new organist and the pastor at the church where I have been substituting this summer likes contemporary music that was written for the piano or a keyboard, although we have neither of these. Do any of you more experienced organists have ideas as to how to make these songs more "organish"? Thanks. Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Ideas? From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:48:06 -0400   Alicia,   How about refusing to play it? hehe. The pastor may not like that though. I hate contemporary music and would personally avoid any church that does a lot of it. I don't think it will really sound good on organ no matter what you do, so I don't have any suggestions excpet finding a job that doesn't ask for it.lol. Best of luck on your career as an organist.   Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Alicia Zeilenga Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Ideas?     Hello, PipeChatters, I am a relatively new organist and the pastor at the church where I have been substituting this summer likes contemporary music that was written for the piano or a keyboard, although we have neither of these. Do any of you more experienced organists have ideas as to how to make these songs more "organish"? Thanks. Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:54:29 EDT   You don't say whether or not there is an organ at all, but if there is, chances are good that if there is a real organist on board, they can = conjure up a much greater variety of sounds and moods from a real organ than from any = jazz combo...  
(back) Subject: Hymn Books For Sale on eBay From: "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:36:43 -0500   Dear Listers ---   I have placed several hymn books and other related materials for = sale on eBay which might be of interest to some of you. To view them search = seller texxstan (use TWO x's) and it will display all of them at once.   These are from the estate of my deceased companion who was a = life-long professional organist and teacher.   Best Regards,   Stan Guy Dallas      
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? (a few good ones maybe?) From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:36:27 -0400   Alicia,   I think that a lot of it has to do with being practiced at improvisation. Try taking one of your contemporary songs and cut out things that make the songs transparent (broken chords, alberti bass, etc). Substitute those ideas with more blocked chordal progressions. It will take some practice and experimentation, but pretty soon you'll acquire a "toolbox" of tricks that you'll be able to use at sight.   Usually, you can find good "pedal" notes. If your songs have chord labels on them, that's another good way to derive a good pedal part - just use the root (or third if it's in 6/3 position) of that chord.   And of course, don't be afraid to solo things out, change registration, cut out the pedals every now and then, etc... basic things that you would use in your hymn playing. Sometimes even unison playing on a nice 8' Principal can be a beautiful effect. All too often we forget that the most simple of things can be the most charming.   These are some things that have helped me during my short (2 years) career as a church organist and student. I hope that they work for you. If not, just tell me that I'm full of crap and hit delete. :)   Best,   Jim Clouser Organ dept., Cleveland Institute of Music     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/2003  
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: <FastToccata@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:48:49 EDT   I have had to do this occassionally. The best thing is to try and do the chords with one hand (preferably the left) and take the melody with the = right and use the base of the chord in the pedals. You can jazz things up on the = organ when you relax and don't try and play so much like a classical organist. = I do both and even though I prefer not doing contemporary music, we need to = be able to do all kinds.    
(back) Subject: RE: Ideas? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:57:13 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   GOOD contemporary music is fine!   America is THE place for light contemporary music played on the organ, and I would simply advise you to listen to what cinema organ players do with simple tunes and try emulating their styles.   With lighter style music, the worst thing is to let the left hand remain in one place....try and make it work for its living....you FEED it after all!   Also, the pedal part should NEVER remain static....it kills all known rhythm stone dead.   Get in the groove and feel the beat...as they say.   In time, you will come to realise that SOME light music is actually a lot better than some of the dreadful stuff which passes as classical.   The doubters should compare our very own (UK) Maunder's "Olivet to Calvary" with Gershwin's genius....you'll hear what I mean straight away!!   Good luck with the organ playing.   Regards, Colin Mitchell UK   (who REALLY likes funky jazz!)   --- andrew meagher <ameagher@stny.rr.com> wrote: > Alicia, > > How about refusing to play it? hehe. The pastor > may not like that though. > I hate contemporary music and would personally avoid > any church that does a > lot of it   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:01:03 -0500   Both of the organs are toasters. One is a theater style organ and the other sounds as if a telephone were ringing every time you play an A :) So, even a really experienced person would have some trouble making things sound passible. There is no organist at the churches since the former organist graduated in May. The main church does have a VERY good choir, though, which was the work of the old pastor and the old organist. Thanks for some ideas. Alicia Z "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"      
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:26:18 EDT   Ignore everything but the melody and harmonize them yourself-that should get rid of a lot of the junk.   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 815.756.6632 home 708.243.2549 cell <A HREF="gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>    
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:23:49 -0400   That's what I did this morning for 10 -15 min. of pre-prelude. Last week has been Vacation Bible School, so I played all the music we sang. I just did it by ear. Actually, there are a couple of hymns in our hymnbook that just do not work on organ. I rearranged one, the other I finally just gave up and play it on the piano. One is "Sweet, Sweet Spirit".   Diane S.    
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: "Chris Tackett" <ctackett1@qwest.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:48:49 -0700   From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>   > That's what I did this morning for 10 -15 min. of pre-prelude. > Last week has been Vacation Bible School, so I played all the music we > sang. I just did it by ear. > Actually, there are a couple of hymns in our hymnbook that just do not > work on organ. I rearranged one, the other I finally just gave up and play > it on the piano. One is "Sweet, Sweet Spirit". > > Diane S. >   Is that the one that starts "There's a sweet, sweet spirit in this place, and I know that there are angels all around?" We've been using that one for a benediction response lately and I find that turning on the trems and thinking theater organ is the only way I can make sense of that one on the organ. A lot of the "revivalist" hymns of the late ninteenth and early twentieth century work fairly well that way.   As a plus, a lot of the older members of the congregation really seem to enjoy them that way.   Of course, my church is used to lots of different music. It's not unusual to cover three or four hundred years of liturgical music on one Sunday. One notable Sunday during the recent Easter season we went all the way from Tallis to Billings to Rodheaver to Kirk Franklin. Sometimes it's whiplash, but most of the time it works pretty well. I don't know how well theater sounds would go over in a more high church setting, but we have fun with them.   Chris Tackett Tucson AZ      
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas? From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:44:41 -0400   "Sharing the Peace" has become a regular part of our Baptist/Presbyterian service, and something a lot of churches are doing also, apparently. Everybody is supposed to say "The peace of Christ be with you" to the people standing around them, and shake hands. It's nice, and a good way to make visitors welcome, but it tends to turn into quite a talkfest, and people move around a lot. The children have been encouraged to go up and greet the choir. There's always a bunch of them that run up the steps one one side, shake hands down the line and stomp down the 3 or 4 steps on the other end----great fun! We've used Sweet Spirit to end it for a long time. I go to the piano, greet anybody who speaks to me of course. We had one pastor who waved at me to start. But for several years now it's been up to me. I just listen for the buzz to drop, and play the intro---just about as loud as I can hit it. They all sing and go right back to their seats. It's a good cue, they know it, it's easy to sing, and it works. And with all the smiling greetings, it fits perfectly. But hard as I've tried, it just will not work very well at all on a church style organ. I've even tried it at other churches, on other organs. And I can't put my finger on exactly why, either. It's just a nice piece of music, nothing really weird about it.   Diane S.   Diane    
(back) Subject: Off to Edinburgh From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:17:04 -0700 (PDT)   We're off to Scotland tomorrow. After a week in a car in the Highlands and Skye, we'll be settling in in Edinburgh for two weeks from August 9 to August 23. We'll be reachable by e-mail if any listers want to meet up. To be recommended are the Festival Masses at Old St. Mary's. John Kitchen does some of the most sublime service playing on the planet. Hope to also catch some music at St. Mary's Cathedral (Simon Nimensky), and perhaps hear my favorite Edinburgh instrument at Greyfriars if they're doing anything. That chamade is real wakey, wakey material.   Work progresses on our new house. Chris and I are doing a complete restoration of a 1740 mill and miller's cottage. It was the former country home of Clement Heaton, the stained glass artist. His studio will be our new great room which will house my 1947 Moller Artiste in grand style with 11 foot ceilings and great acoustics. It also served for several years as the summer home of Jacob Lateiner, the pianist.   Ken   ===== ============================================================= Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html Randolph Organ Company, curators =============================================================   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: sweet spirit From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:29:26 EDT   Hi all, first of all is there really a Sweet spirit there? Ask Bud! Sweet spirit works on the organ if you play it organ like and not piano = like. You can solo with broken chords. You can play it hymn style and most mercifully you can go a cappella with it quickly!   Sorry gang, not high on my list of church music--but if you must, don't = give in to the no organ thing.   you all have a grand week dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: "orphaned" Allen Cavaille-Coll concept organ From: "Chester H Berry" <cberry@pop.burgoyne.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:40:06 -0600   List,   Bud referred to this instrument in a posting back on July 14th. Allen = was quite hospitable in making this instrument available to me for = several hours after it had returned from the Pacific Northwest where it = was on display at an AGO convention.   Does anyone know what became of it? I was told then that it was for = sale to anyone who wanted it?   Any info appreciated! /s/Chester H Berry