PipeChat Digest #3841 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003
 
Peterson magnets
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: Allen or Rodgers? RE: Response to Del Case
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Peterson magnets
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Bach Handel Schutz
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Where did the organ go?
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Question For Our British Members
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
RE: Where did the organ go?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Where did the organs go?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Brown Bag
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Recital Piece Info...
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Sweet, Sweet Spirit
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: magnets
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
RE: Recital Piece Info...
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Brown Bag
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Program Notes
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
IRC
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Allen or Rodgers?
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Peterson magnets From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:22:52 EDT   We have tried out just about every commercially available electro mechanical valve. They all have their strong and weak points. The Peterson version seems to be the most precisely produced. They are strong and fairly easy to use. The only thing I don't like about them is the two little barbs that require you to use their jig to make corresponding dents in the board upon which they are mounted. If these dents are not deep enough the magnet will not sit flat and will cipher. It also limits horizontal adjustment. Peterson supplies copper tape that is intended to be applied to the mounting surface, under the valves to supply an electrical return. I don't use it preferring to go with the old fashioned, time proven methods of wire and solder. I just don't trust anything but the gas free seal that solder provides. The valve body is attached to the armature by a leather nut and I'm not too crazy about that either. Eventually leather degrades and I like to build things to last at least 100 years.   Overall, Peterson Direct Chest Magnets are reliable, user friendly and when used with the correct toe board thickness and toe hole size will give good pipe speech.   All the best:   Alan B   Alan A. Binger Organbuilder Freehold, NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:27:52 -0700 (PDT)   One reason I'm so pleased with the function of this PipeChat list! It is helpful to give credence to such skills and training as yours. Hopefully, we can make a difference.   Planet of the Apes closes with a scene of Charlton Heston on a sandy beach looking at a protruding crown spike of the Statue of Liberty, realizing he was witness to the tragic remnant of a destroyed society.   Locally we have witnessed another large church with a tremendous 60-voice choral and quality orchestra ministry minimize their ministry to hire a pianist who plays chords and ensemble of fewer than 20 voices who mostly ooh and aah to his worship leading "performance."   When the previous gifted musician left staff, after waiting two years the pastor brought this friend of his on staff, even though the congregation voted him down ... 2 months later the pastor ran a second ballot after much political maneuvering, and it barely carried the mandated 75%.   (Personally, I would never serve a church that voted me on such a slim margin after casting a second ballot, but I digress).   Pity any other musicians who try to keep up with his off-the-cuff changes from rehearsal to performance, or from first service to second.   Not a problem for long, because they will soon go from 2 services to a single one, as so many other churches here have done. Their large organ is mostly decor today, and most of the choir members have finally drifted off to other churches, or none at all.   Pastor held off replacing the previous minister of music for two years so the music department would fall to ground zero and then build his new musical style.   I had served as minister of music at this church several years ago, creating a musical program to die for, and it just does not seem possible the program is dead today.   But before I become discouraged, I read your posting, and those from others who are qualified musicians in churches who really do care enough to hold high the torch, and I take heart.   Hang in there. We need you and those who follow in your train.   === Tyler W. Robinson comments === I wonder where myself and the other trained organists will be in 20 years.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen or Rodgers? RE: Response to Del Case From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:13:13 -0700       Icedad@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Del, > > You are always so pessimistic about digital when you answer my > postings. The PIPES compliment the already wonderful digital sound and > blend beautifully.You and I had a debate about this last year. I too > am a purist about pipe organs, but when the money would rather be seen > by our congregation for the needy, sick, AIDS Foundation...etc we > installed what was best for our congregation. Thank you for your > attention. >     Having reread my posting several times, I can't find the "pessimism." I posed what I consider to be a valid question that you have chosen not to answer.   You and I have not had a "previous debate." In fact, I have stayed out of the debate except for the question I posed to you. I believe our only previous exchange (11 and 13 August 02) was when I pointed out that your pipes would be from Rieger-Kloss, not from Rieger which you had identified as the source. I made a point of that distinction because many are under the false impression that the two companies are the same when they, in fact, are not related. While I have no doubt that your pipes are well made, there are those who believe there is a significant quality difference between the two companies with the similar name. There are reasons why one is significantly cheaper than the other and can sell in the US market and the other no longer does.   There was nothing pessimistic about my August 02 postings either.   Del W. Case  
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson magnets From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:20:32 -0700   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:52:31 EDT   Hi Paul:   It does make one wonder how these Tojan Horse ministers get past the screening process. The first thing to go is a well established and good music ministry, the organ, and a hard working choir. Within weeks and months the music reflects the lowest common denominator. It makes one suspicious as to how this is sold so readily, or is it? or is is it just jammed down everyone's throat as in the Emperor's New Clothes. Comformity for conformity's sake without any regard to how the people will react.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Bach Handel Schutz From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:11:17 -0400   On 7/29/03 10:20 PM, "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:   > Yesterday was also the anniversary of Bach's death.   Which is why we remembered him in our prayers last Sunday. And tossed in Messrs. Handel and Sch=FCtz for good measure.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Where did the organ go? From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:45:09 -0400   Tyler,   Sounds like it may be time to move on!   Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Tyler Robertson Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:40 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Where did the organ go?     From: Kealypaul <kealypaul@yahoo.com>   <<<Some of today's songwriters actually brag of their lack of formal musical training, with the statement that God just gives them a tune and they perform it.>>>   Isn't it wonderful how that happens? The problem is, that too many people in the church believe that too. I've had 13 years of music training in piano, organ, voice, french horn, percussion and conducting, and I have a BM in organ performance on the way. I've also been at my current church for three years now. I have a desk in the corner of the robe room. When we started a contemporary service this past January, guess who got an office? That's right, the part time guy that can strum a guitar and probably at best barely read music who leads the "emotional" side of the church. I wonder where myself and the other trained organists will be in 20 years.   Tyler W. Robertson Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, Temple, TX Organist, Baylor University Concert Choir Organist, Accompanist, Baylor University Women's Chorus   _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Question For Our British Members From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:02:50 EDT   Hi: One of the movie channels here in the United States has been showing and showing and showing the movie Four Weddings And A Funeral. My question is: Wedding Two and Aborted Wedding Four have pipe organs = that have some really great sounds. Do any of you know the makes of the pipe = organs and their specs? I would greatly appreciate any information and if there are any CDs available on the mentioned instruments. Thank You. Best, Craig Johnson Lock Haven, Pa. USA    
(back) Subject: RE: Where did the organ go? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:06:39 -0500   I once had a "soprano soloist", and the term is in quotes for a reason, tell me that anyone can play an instrument, but it takes God-given talent to sing. Of course, that meant that she needed no training or lessons whatsoever, and she made Leeann Rimes sound like Cecilia Bartoli.   I can tell you how at least two ministers made their way into a church to destroy the Anglican music tradition - they lied. I've interviewed a lot of people for employment over the years, but I had never seen anything like my committee's interview of the priests. They would make many a lawyer proud, asking the right questions to inform themselves exactly how they needed to answer the questions in order to get the job. It is frightening, now that I look back on the events with 20/20 hindsight.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   "If it ain't so, don't say it, and if it ain't right, don't do it. You're never right when you're wrong, and you're never wrong when you're right. If you have to ask whether it's right to do it, don't. You know when you're right, and you know when you're wrong." E.C. Deeno Kitchen      
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organs go? From: "bruce cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:57:50 -0400   From: "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:40:21 -0500 <I've also been at my current church for three years now. I have a desk in the corner of the robe room. When we started a contemporary service this past January, guess who got an office? That's right, the part time guy that can strum a guitar and probably at best barely read music .... ... I wonder where myself and the other trained organists will be in 20 years.>   Interesting! I recall a colleague being interviewed for a large RC parish full-time position. He was grilled and tested to be certain that he was able to improvise folk music and play from a lead sheet. He played four traditional Masses and a folk Mass every weekend, and directed two adult choirs, two folk choirs and a children choir. When he left five years later, his replacement was a guy who didn't even play keyboard and had no liturgical experience, but "liked folk music". Choirs are gone and the organ is used for one Mass.   A sign of the times.     Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 HELP SOME ANIMALS FOR FREE: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i AND http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=308025421        
(back) Subject: Brown Bag From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:11:44 -0400   Next Wed. noontime Aug. 6, Mechanics Hall, (air-conditioned), 321 Main St. Worcester MA, Brown Bag organ recital by Peter Sykes on the 4 manual 1863 E. & G. G. Hook tracker.  
(back) Subject: Recital Piece Info... From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:38:16 EDT   Hey All,   My upcoming recital consists of the following pieces:   Alain, Litanies Bach, Prelude and Fugue in C Major (NOT the 9/8) and LIttle Fugure in G = Min Clerembaut, 2nd Suite Durufle, Meditation Vierne, Finale (1st)   I am interested in any great program notes, anecdotes, or things to = include about the composition of, the performance of, or the composer of said = pieces. I'm trying to keep program notes to about 5 sentences on each piece. = Thanks in advance!   -pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Sweet, Sweet Spirit From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:55:30 -0500   I find "Sweet, Sweet Spirit" to be much easier and appropriate on organ than piano; piano tends to be too percussive for the flowing melody. Think "theatre organ" and let it move smoothly. No, I can't imagine it on baroque principals either, but with some singing strings or tremming flutes it can be lovely. Don't rush, but don't drag either.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: Re: magnets From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:43:14 EDT   In a message dated 7/30/2003 12:49:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gblack@ocslink.com writes:     > Hi list, I need a candid answer here. Have any of you used Peterson = magnets > and how good etc are they? Can't wait to hear from you. Thanks, Gary > >   I have used them in a couple of projects and have had relatively good success. In the last organ I rebuilt with them, we used about 500...and = out of those, we had to replace 3 or 4 that did not work once the chests were installed = in the chambers (even tho they did work when the chests were winded in the = shop and tested under pressure.). We did have to go thru and adjust a number = (about 20 to 25) of the armature settings, but this is a simple matter to take = care of and Peterson makes a tool especially for this purpose. the organ has = been in place for 4 years now, and no further problems once the initial = "shake-down" period was over. (we do a 6-months-later follow-up to catch anything that crops up after the installation...)   rick in VA    
(back) Subject: RE: Recital Piece Info... From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:52:07 -0400   There is a program notes bank in the UK which is good. Maybe one of the listers on the other side of the pond knows the website or snail mail address. Mari   P.S. If someone does know it, pls be so kind as to post it on this list!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Oboe32@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:38 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Recital Piece Info...     Hey All,   My upcoming recital consists of the following pieces:   Alain, Litanies Bach, Prelude and Fugue in C Major (NOT the 9/8) and LIttle Fugure in G Min Clerembaut, 2nd Suite Durufle, Meditation Vierne, Finale (1st)   I am interested in any great program notes, anecdotes, or things to include about the composition of, the performance of, or the composer of said pieces. I'm trying to keep program notes to about 5 sentences on each piece. Thanks in advance!   -pete Isherwood "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: Brown Bag From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:09:00 EDT   Hello: Real shame this gig couldn't be played on the big Kimball in the = auditorium. Worcester should be ashamed of what happened to that fantastic instrument. Best, Craig in Pa. Former Program Director of the then Knight owned WSRS FM.    
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:02:31 EDT     I live in the city that calls itself "Music City USA" and is also home of the Grand Ole Opry ( Do you know what has 64 legs and 32 teeth? The front row at the Grand Ole Opry! ). I do not follow country music much, if at all, but my impression is that most of the "performers" do not read music and probably have had little, if any, formal musical training, i.e. they are basically a bunch of amateurs that get paid very well.   In our city we also have a large, new, stadium and a professional football team, the Tennessee Titans. I was wondering a few days ago what the people who pay $100 and up for their seats at a football game would do if, when the game was about to start, a bunch of amateur football players came onto the field? They wouldn't stand for it, and yet they are perfectly happy to listen to untrained people perform "music".   Anyway, the good news is that Music City is getting a brand new, neo-classical symphony hall that will be completed in 2006, and it will have a large $2.5 million plus Schoenstein organ.   Tom    
(back) Subject: Program Notes From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:18:09 -0400   Dear Pete and Mari,   Go to Google and just type in Program Notes, and you will find a huge amount of stuff, and then do it all over again, typing Programme Notes, and see what the U.K. has to say. There is lots there too.   Have fun,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: RE: Recital Piece Info...     > There is a program notes bank in the UK which is good. Maybe one of the > listers on the other side of the pond knows the website or snail mail > address. > Mari > > P.S. If someone does know it, pls be so kind as to post it on this list! > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Oboe32@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:38 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Recital Piece Info... > > > Hey All, > > My upcoming recital consists of the following pieces: > > Alain, Litanies > Bach, Prelude and Fugue in C Major (NOT the 9/8) and LIttle Fugure in G Min > Clerembaut, 2nd Suite > Durufle, Meditation > Vierne, Finale (1st) > > I am interested in any great program notes, anecdotes, or things to include > about the composition of, the performance of, or the composer of said > pieces. > I'm trying to keep program notes to about 5 sentences on each piece. Thanks > in > advance! > > -pete Isherwood > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:59:25 -0700   There's people on, if anybody wants to chat.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Allen or Rodgers? From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:57:13 EDT   Del and all,   This is my personal opinion.   Have you ever stood in the pipe chamber while someone played a "real" pipe =   organ? Have you ever stood in the middle of an orchestra while it was = playing?   To me, there is something, an ambiance perhaps, about the acoustical instrument producing sound from its entire surface that cannot be = reproduced through speakers. Personally I notice it when bass notes are being played. Perhaps = that is because the bass (instruments or pipes) are much larger and have more surface from which the sound emanates.   Just a personal observation, mind you! It's different, not better or = worse. (I'm sinking deeper, aren't I?) (Gulp!) <smile>   Musically, Stan Krider   In a message dated 07/29/2003 11:12:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcase@puc.edu writes: > > There is something I really don't understand. If the electronic sound = is > so wonderful, why are the pipes necessary? Since so many people seem > to hear with their eyes, one wonders if it is primarily to help people > think what they are hearing really is coming only from pipes. > > Del W. Case > Pacific Union College > >