PipeChat Digest #3717 - Monday, June 2, 2003
 
RE: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Langlais
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organ Recording
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Gluck Practice Organs
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Re: Gluck Practice Organs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Poor Bud
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Gluck Practice Organs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: VST pipe organ needed
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Organ Recording
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Congregational Singalong to trax
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: Poor Bud
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Gluck Practice Organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
pre-recorded hymns, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
sorry, folks
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Congregational Singalong to trax
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: Congregational Singalong to trax
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Congregational Singalong to trax
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:02:22 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C32939.7F5E6BF8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Felix can help....   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]=3D20 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention   =3D20   In a message dated 6/1/03 5:36:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:=3D20           Well, that's all very well and good. But has Bruce composed a=3D20 chorale-prelude on Laufmann?=3D20           hmmmmm.... now to find a title for the CP.... how do you say "when piggies fly" in German? snrk snrk=3D20   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20   FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE http://tinyurl.com/2j5i (please it'll only take a minute!)=3D20     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C32939.7F5E6BF8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dblue>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Felix can =3D help&#8230;.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 02, = =3D 2003 1:02 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Bruce =3D Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In a message dated 6/1/03 = =3D 5:36:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes: <br> <br> <br> <br> </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Well, that's all very well = =3D and good. &nbsp;But has Bruce composed a <br> chorale-prelude on Laufmann? <br> <br> </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial =3D FAMILY=3D3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> hmmmmm.... now to find a title for the CP.... how do you say &quot;when = =3D piggies fly&quot; in German? &nbsp;snrk snrk <br> <br> Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling =3D Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D <br> <br> FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <a =3D href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyurl.com/2j5i</a> (please it'll only take a minute!) </span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html> =3D00 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C32939.7F5E6BF8--  
(back) Subject: Re: Langlais From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:09:02 EDT     --part1_19b.15dc6c4a.2c0cface_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 6/1/03 10:16:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DVM5704@dcccd.edu writes:     > I do wish I could find (1) a good hearty postlude or three on Salve = Regina, > and (2) the text and melody for Vol. II "Homo quidam;" it is not in the > current Gradual. > >   Take a look at Charles Callahan's Chant book for the Easter season. It = has wonderful pieces in it that can be presented equally well with quiet or = robust registration. There is also a toccata on one of the "lady" chants, although I don't remember which one (of course, the book is at the = church!). I played Salve Regina and Regina Coeli for the Baptists on Mother's Day. = THey liked them both. There were a couple of "raised eyebrows" but they were = from converts from liturgical churches!   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyurl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll = only take a minute!)     --part1_19b.15dc6c4a.2c0cface_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 6/1/03=3D 10:16:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DVM5704@dcccd.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I do wish I could find = (1)=3D20=3D a good hearty postlude or three on Salve Regina, and (2) the text and = melody=3D for Vol. II "Homo quidam;" it is not in the current Gradual. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Take a look at Charles Callahan's Chant book for the Easter season. = &nbs=3D p;&nbsp;It has wonderful pieces in it that can be presented equally well = wit=3D h quiet or robust registration. &nbsp;&nbsp;There is also a toccata on one = o=3D f the &nbsp;"lady" chants, although I don't remember which one (of course, = t=3D he book is at the church!). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I played Salve Regina and = Regi=3D na Coeli for the Baptists on Mother's Day. &nbsp;&nbsp;THey liked them = both.=3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There were a couple of "raised eyebrows" but they were = fr=3D om converts from liturgical churches! <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyu=3D rl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll only take a minute!) <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_19b.15dc6c4a.2c0cface_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Recording From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:09:53 -0400   Paul and others who may be interested,   Leaving aside for the moment the copyright restrictions on making organ recordings of hymns, I am about to suggest that it isn't worth doing.   My church decided to try this years ago, but we very soon found out that a =   recorded accompaniment simply does not work, - the congregation did not enjoy the recorded organ accompaniment, and were completely unable to keep =   up with it.   We found that even though the idea sounds well on paper, it proved to us that there is no substitute for a live organist, - in the end, we used the =   piano for accompaniment, for we had a few accomplished pianists in our congregation who were quite capable of accompanying the hymns for us.   So, the short answer is, don't waste your time, - if you cannot find an organist, find a piano and someone to play for you.   Bob Conway   At 01:23 PM 6/2/03 -0500, Paul Soulek wrote:   >There are many churches in my area that can't seem to find an organist >on a given Sunday and have asked if I might record some hymns for them >to use. I plan on doing that this summer (digitally recording a new-ish >Rodgers), but am wondering about a few things regarding copyright. > >How long does the copyright protection last on hymns? Our denomination >uses two hymnals; one was published in 1941 and the other in 1982. I >have heard that all hymns in the 1941 hymnal are public domain; does >this mean that I can use these "at will", or is there some type of >permission that I need to obtain. Also, I would love to hear from >someone regarding the permission that I need in order to record some of >the newer hymns (Lift High the Cross, etc.). > >These recordings would be used for worship purposes only. I know that >each hymnal uses different harmonizations of the melody, so I plan to >use some of my own in addition to the ones found in the hymnal. This is >something that I hope will help me finance my college expenses a bit >(attending Concordia-Seward, NE next fall, to become a Director of >Parish Music), as well as benefit the Church as a whole. > >Any other comments regarding this subject would be most welcome! > >Thanks! >Paul > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Gluck Practice Organs From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:34:03 -0500     Well, now, not EVERYBODY, BUD. Obviously YOU DIDN'T. For my part, I was having a little fun, but I retract that and will try to be deadly serious, go for numbingly literal, and aspire to be boringly pedantic from now on. If only there was someone on this list whom I can emulate in these important regards. Volunteers?   Thanks for bringing this to our attention in ringing CAPS!   Three cheers, Bob Lind         It seems that EVERYBODY missed the phrase "UNIT organ" ... those are the RANKS ... Sebastian didn't give how they're disposed.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Gluck Practice Organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:56:09 -0400   It is an extension instrument; I guess when I return to America I shall = post the entire stoplist, not just the resources. Obviously, nobody in = their right mind would ever design an instrument with those six stops, but = it may be that you have never encountered an extension or 'unit' organ = before. Those are the basic RANKS. That is not a stoplist.   The specification is designed so that no rank is used at adjacent pitches = on the same manual except for the Dulciana at 8', so that a Manual II to = Manual I coupler is provided, and is effective.   Many, many thousands of unit instruments have been built, many of them = poorly designed. Ill write more when I return to the states, but to = answer your Tierce question, it appears once on the manuals as a 1-3.5 = Tierce from Tenor C, and once in the Pedal as a 4.5' Choral Bass.   Sebastian M. Gluck  
(back) Subject: Poor Bud From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:55:44 -0500   Poor, poor Bud! So many people are coming to church they don't know what = to do with all of them! I suggest tossing out the pipe organ and using = "Disco Praise." That should cut down the crowds rather quickly!   Sure wish I had that problem!   ;>) Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats    
(back) Subject: Re: Gluck Practice Organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:58:01 -0400   Thanks, Bud. Whew.  
(back) Subject: Re: VST pipe organ needed From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:02:48 -0400   What on earth is a ''VST pipe organ''?  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Recording From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:00:26 -0400   > My church decided to try this years ago, but we very soon found out that = a   recorded accompaniment simply does not work, - the congregation did not enjoy the recorded organ accompaniment, and were completely unable to keep =   up with it.   I'm glad to hear that experience bears out the result that I would have anticipated.   It MIGHT be somewhat more viable to make Midi files rather than audio recordings, if (and here you will see that I know very little about the subject) the tempo can be varied by someone playing it back. The registration can, too, I'm certain. In a way, this restricts the market, = of course, because it requires a MIDI interface as well as someone who knows = a little more than how to turn a CD player on and off. But it would answer Bob's objections to some extent by providing a rendition that can be = adapted to the taste of local users.   However, I think that this (a fairly comprehensive collection of hymns for organ on MIDI) has already been done. Check with Allen and Rodgers.   Furthermore, I agree with Bob:   > there is no substitute for a live organist, - in the end, we used the piano for accompaniment.   If neither an organist nor a pianist can be found, try either   (1) singing a cappella   (2) just doing without.   Either procedure ought to be most instructive as a change of pace, and conducive to avoiding the problem in the long run (i.e. appreciating the organist one has and pointing up the need for children = and others to study keyboard music).   An enterprising and sympathetic pastor once announced, with great = publicity, a special upcoming Sunday service that would be a "Tribute to Music." People came, expecting a musical extravaganza. What they got was a bare, completely spoken service. By the time it was over, they had gotten the point.    
(back) Subject: Congregational Singalong to trax From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:03:43 -0700 (PDT)   For those who feel pre-recording organ doesn't work, it depends, because ...   Well ... umm ... I have seen it work very well.   In fact, we have taught the value of this in convention workshops for congregations that lack adequate accompaniment.   Although I have ministered through several large churches, the average church is smaller than 100, often without an abundance of accompanists. Comes summer, and there may be no one to play.   We have demonstrated this uning a fantastic series of Brentwood split-trax CDs produced by Don Marsh and Ed Kee with 25 of "America's 25 Favorite Hymns, volumes 1,2,3 and 4." There are other series featuring favorite praise and worship songs, a series of acoustic worship, and various other split-track CD's by various music publishers.   We have even used children's split track, and by "ducking" the vocal trax have come up with some great peppy trax.   There are also MIDI accompaniment software discs for Maranatha songs we have used successfully. Also, hymns from the Lillenas Sing to the Lord hymnal have been recorded for sing-along ease (a bit more expensive, though).   I have created PowerPoint screens for many of these, and they work well for our applications.   I've taught MIDI sessions where a simple keyboard can create files to be played back on a local $200 grand pipe organ without a live organist (we joked about propping up a cardboard cutout on the organ bench).   If your worship leader / song director, whatever, will lead in sync with the trax, you should have no trouble.   If you have a church with off site organist (in the balcony, perhaps) who's to know whether accompanied songs are live or Memorex?"   Once as a high school student our tech crew played a trick on the organist by recording the organ postlude and hooking the tape recorder up to the organ speakers in the loft. As soon as the organist (a good ol' sport) finished and locked up the organ console, we played back the music we had just recorded thru the organ loft speakers.   It was a weird musical deja-vu, fr' sure and we all had a good laugh. Point is, the organ speakers were playing back the music, irregardless of the input signal being live or playback. In the sanctuary it all sounded the same. We referred to him as a ventriloquist.   The next week we had a Edgar Bergen-Charlie McCarthy doll sitting on the organ bench when he showed up at rehearsal.   We have recorded public domain hymns on piano and organ and created PowerPoint files with very large words on screen (the 6+6 rule), and mixed the whole thing (words and music) in sync to video to take to nursing humes, where folks love to sing along ... just the trax and words on tape, played on the VCR-TV set in their dining room as the music played.   So it depends ...   Now, as to the copyright, compute age of hymn. The older favorite hymns for nursing homes weren't a problem. Look at copyright info at botom of hymns.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Paul E. Kealy www.MediaExcellence.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Poor Bud From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:05:58 -0700   Can't TOSS what we ain't GOT yet (chuckle).   We're in a rather unique situation ... the area where the new church was built is a newly-developed area of upscale homes ... average $500K. We managed to buy a little pie-shaped piece of land for a SCANDALOUS amount of money ($800K) and put up a church; the ONLY other churches in the immediate area are the Mormons, who probably forked over in excess of $10M for THEIR property ... they've built a stake-house, and are in the process of building a temple ... and Calvary Chapel (a mega-church). So .... we're the ONLY half-way "main-line" church in the area.   The really INTERESTING thing is that despite the fact that the vast majority of our new members are "all sorts and conditions" off the street, rather than conservative Anglicans, they take to our liturgy and music almost immediately. This may be part of the phenomenon of people returning to traditional worship and mainline churches ... I was just reading an article about that last night.   Cheers,   Bud   First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote: > Poor, poor Bud! So many people are coming to church they don't know = what to > do with all of them! I suggest tossing out the pipe organ and using = "Disco > Praise." That should cut down the crowds rather quickly! > > Sure wish I had that problem! > > ;>) > Dennis Steckley > & A Six-Pack of Cats > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Gluck Practice Organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:07:35 -0700   Sheesh. DUH, much? (grin). Oh well, it's Monday; organists don't THINK on Monday.   Have you heard from Don Pearson? I'm VERY concerned about him. He's not answering anybody's e-mail or phone calls, AFAIK. I'm getting wildly conflicting stories out of Denver.   Cheers,   Bud   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Bud. > Whew. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: pre-recorded hymns, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:20:34 -0700   There's nothing new under the sun. Player organs enjoyed a brief vogue around 1900, in CHURCHES. There was a fascinating article about that in The Tracker awhile back. Among other things, the list of available rolls was a gold-mine ... the "typical" repertoire of an urban church wealthy enough to HAVE a player pipe organ. All my old favorites were there (chuckle) ... Henry Farmer's "Celebrated Mass in B Flat", etc. (grin).   The experiment was abandoned when it was discovered that it took as much skill to operate the player (most didn't control stops, expression, or tempo ... just the notes, and in some cases, only the notes of the Great manual and Pedal) as it did to play the music.   I have seen ads for electronic "barrel organs" in various Episcopal publications ... I cannot IMAGINE how one would coordinate a liturgical service, remote control or no.   A Roman Catholic church down in San Diego has such a set-up ... an Allen with a sequencer and a remote control ... works fine, except that the priest is forever punching the button for the Sanctus when what he WANTS is the opening HYMN (chuckle).   I don't KNOW, but I IMAGINE the mega-churches pay as much to a sound tech to run their trax as they'd pay a musician. Of course, that also means you have to HAVE a sound tech at EVERY service, which I guess they = do.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: sorry, folks From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:22:03 -0700   That last was supposed to be private.   Bud      
(back) Subject: Congregational Singalong to trax From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:21:05 -0700 (PDT)   Now, having written about singing to prerecorded trax, let me state as empantically as I possibly can that we should encourage the use of live performance organ.   We need to encourage youth to learn organ technique. We need to lead worship with the organ.   With my current plan to assemble a wind-blown instrument of my own, it grieves me that we are losing so much of the authenticity of the grandest instrument this side of an orchestra.   (Like Bernstein ... Leonard, not Elmer ... who responded what instrument he preferred to play he responded, "an orchestra," so do I. An orchestra, or a choir, for that matter, is my favorite "instrument" to play. I love to conduct. However, I don't always have an orchestra at the ready, so ten fingers and two feet can replicate that joy. I love to "play" an orchestra. I love to play an honest pipe instrument.   So I will argue for an authentic organ wherever possible. If not possible, there are alternatives that can work.       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Paul E. Kealy www.MediaExcellence.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Congregational Singalong to trax From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:50:59 -0500     > So I will argue for an authentic organ wherever > possible. If not possible, there are alternatives that > can work. > Good!!! I was beginning to wonder if this guy was the Anti-Christ.  
(back) Subject: Re: Congregational Singalong to trax From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:21:45 -0700 (PDT)   Thanx for your response, Ray.   I was grateful for your comment, and was warmed by your loyalty to the instrument.   It's a tough call, for sure, as new technology runs rampant.   We enjoyed a tour at San Simeon awhile back, to hear that magnificent Wurlitzer and Bosendorfer in performance. Cae time to actually hear the instruments. We held our breath and waited ... and waited ... and waited, and then they told us "the playback mechanism isn't working today (sorry!)."   Well, why didn't they let somebody actually play it live. Sigh!   We've coma a long way from the piano or pump organ in the parlor, at least here in Southern California.   It IS a conundrum. My passion is to help restore whatever we can of the desire for serious organ as part of our society. And since the instrument is not as portable as the cultural boom-box, there is a definite problem.   But when I hear the rocking van next to me at the stop sign waiting for a green light, I womder ... is there a way to capture some of its magnificence via MIDI or CD to make it a known sound in the marketplace.   Most folks relegate "tht sound" to the Phantom of the Opera or a Saturday-Night-Live Church Lady or Monty Python funeral re-run.   Not sure how we can bring back the acceptance in today's society. We can't be tilting at Quixotic wind blown chests. There's got to be a way.   I have given away four organs to churches in my lifetime (and I'm not that old), one was a pipe, but where to find people to play them. Here in America it is an increasing problem.   I'm still seeking answers; that's why I split my answer into two separate postings that appear 180-degrees apart. I was thrilled with your response.   Paul   ... Ray wrote to Paul ... Good!!! I was beginning to wonder if this guy was the Anti-Christ.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com