PipeChat Digest #3721 - Tuesday, June 3, 2003
 
To Bud - post in chat room
  by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net>
RE: A Mighty Wind
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: fiddling around
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: fiddling around
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Congregational Singalong to trax
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: my old blower
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: my old blower
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: fiddling around
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
St. Michael & All Angels / Dallas - Paul Thomas CD
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: my old blower
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca>
 

(back) Subject: To Bud - post in chat room From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:12:57 -0500   Dear Bud, I want to apologise again if my post in the chat room sounded rude. Typing fast the tone of my post was not what I would have wanted. = I enjoy your posts and your opinions on music in the church seem right on. = I will pray that you are granted strength and health to continue doing what you obviously love. Amy Fleming    
(back) Subject: RE: A Mighty Wind From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:10:30 -0400   My prelude this year will be "Veni Creator" by Kenneth Leighton.   It is one of the last, perhaps THE last, organ piece he wrote, in an orange-covered publication from Novello with another very late organ work, and larger, the splendid "Veni Redemptor", dedicated to a fellow old Wakefield Cathedral chorister, John Scott. Veni Creator is a tender, wistful piece about five minutes in length; I consider it a prayer to receive the Holy Spirit.      
(back) Subject: Re: fiddling around From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:16:50 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3137480211_5034764 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 6/3/03 12:11 AM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > Nope, it's the department that's bipartite, not me. I do read a little > Italian, though. Your question stumps me: Who, or what, is "Barilla"? = =3D Sorry > to be so ignorant!   Oh, =3DB3Barilla=3DB2 is the hot supermarket brand of boxed pasta these = days (here, anyway). And people who know a bit of Spanish pronounced it (authoritatively) as =3DB3Bareeeya,=3DB2 as you might expect. But I=3DB9m = of the (uninformed) opinion that Italians treat the double-L between vowels just = a=3D s the English do: =3DB3Bar-ILL-a.=3DB2 But I don=3DB9t know.   Alan   --B_3137480211_5034764 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: fiddling around</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 6/3/03 12:11 AM, &quot;Randolph = Runyon&quot=3D ; &lt;runyonr@muohio.edu&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Nope, it's the = department t=3D hat's bipartite, not me. &nbsp;I do read a little Italian, though. = &nbsp;You=3D r question stumps me: &nbsp;Who, or what, is &quot;Barilla&quot;? = &nbsp;Sorr=3D y to be so ignorant! <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Oh, &#8220;Barilla&#8221; is the hot supermarket brand of boxed pasta = these=3D days (here, anyway). &nbsp;And people who know a bit of Spanish = pronounced =3D it (authoritatively) as &#8220;Bareeeya,&#8221; as you might expect. = &nbsp;B=3D ut I&#8217;m of the (uninformed) opinion that Italians treat the double-L = be=3D tween vowels just as the English do: &nbsp;&#8220;Bar-ILL-a.&#8221; = &nbsp;Bu=3D t I don&#8217;t know.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3137480211_5034764--    
(back) Subject: Re: fiddling around From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:36:51 -0400   Bahr-ill-lah.   Alan Freed wrote: > On 6/3/03 12:11 AM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > > Nope, it's the department that's bipartite, not me. I do read a > little Italian, though. Your question stumps me: Who, or what, is > "Barilla"? Sorry to be so ignorant! > > > Oh, ?Barilla? is the hot supermarket brand of boxed pasta these days > (here, anyway). And people who know a bit of Spanish pronounced it > (authoritatively) as ?Bareeeya,? as you might expect. But I?m of the > (uninformed) opinion that Italians treat the double-L between vowels > just as the English do: ?Bar-ILL-a.? But I don?t know. > > Alan     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa 423 887-7594 ------------------------------- frog music press, publishing MIDI music moderator, rodgers organ users group at www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: Congregational Singalong to trax From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT)   Actually, the songs on the "America's 100 favorite Hymns," as well as the Praise & Worship series and the other similar types, are more "Gospel Songs" that what our fellow-Brits would designate as actual hymns.   I don't know how the selection was made.   The repertoire is more like "Anne Murray Sings Hymns" or "Favorite Hymns of Elvis volume 2," with Tis So Sweet to Trust in Jesus, He Lives, Sweet Hour of Prayer, I Must Tell Jesus, Victory In Jesus, Revive Us Again, Fill My Cup Lord, Love Lifted Me, Jesus Is All the World to Me, Just As I Am, Love Lifted Me in addition to O God Our Help In Ages Past, All Glory Laud and Honor, A Mighty Fortress, Now Thank We All Our God, O Sacred Head, When Morning Guilds the Skies, Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah, Our Great Savior, and of course, It Is Well With My Soul, How Great Thou Art and The Old Rugged Cross. That type of thing (I could type a complete list if you'd like it off-line to see more).   These sing-alongs are not organ, but more of a Bible-Belt small combo (the split-track vocal ensemble is not a choral sound, but fortunately, the studio singers don't have a county twang). Here in America many churches brag of tearing out organs and replacing entire choirs with smaller praise teams singing tunes written within the past year on hand-held microphones. The typcal Southern Baptist-type mega-churches feature big choirs and orchestras with blending of "favorite hymns" with the new praise songs.   Aside from repertoire, I guess one of the biggest differences is that most churches here in the states feature a worship leader or songleader who conducts the congregation and choir, rather than the organist.   Paul       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: my old blower From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:28:58 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_2407798= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 06:24 PM 6/2/2003 -0300, you wrote: >Remember you all helping me trouble shoot my old 1/2 hp Spencer >blower with Emerson motor > Well I did what you all suggested, I used a higher breaker, >Well............ > It stayed on longer but was noisy and then smoke started to pour from > it, then the breaker tripped, > I notices sparks coming from what looked like a primitive type of > repulsion system. the motor has no normal brushes other then the > repulsion that is brass and pulls away from the shaft. > Any ideas why my old blower took up the habit of smoking and then > suddenly quit? > lol > Danielwh   Daniel,   Your answer lies in the last line - THE BLOWER IS OLD. Nothing lasts forever. It tried it with my last car, it just kept breaking down.   Arie V. --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_2407798= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 06:24 PM 6/2/2003 -0300, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>Remember you = all helping me trouble shoot my old 1/2 hp Spencer blower&nbsp; with Emerson motor</font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>&nbsp;Well I did what you all suggested, I = used a higher breaker, </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>Well............</font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>&nbsp;It stayed on longer but was noisy and&nbsp; then smoke started to pour from it, then the breaker tripped,</font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>&nbsp;I notices sparks coming from what = looked like a primitive type of repulsion system. the motor has no normal brushes other then the repulsion that is brass and pulls away from the shaft.</font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>&nbsp;Any ideas why my&nbsp; old blower took = up the habit of smoking and then suddenly quit?</font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>&nbsp;lol</font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>&nbsp;Danielwh</font></blockquote><br> Daniel,<br> <br> Your answer lies in the last line - THE BLOWER IS OLD.&nbsp; Nothing lasts forever.&nbsp; It tried it with my last car, it just kept breaking down.<br> <br> Arie V.</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_2407798= =3D=3D_.ALT--      
(back) Subject: Re: my old blower From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:12:59 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ----__JNP_000_6a1f.7658.17a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:28:58 -0400 Arie Vandenberg <ArieV@classicorgan.com> writes       At 06:24 PM 6/2/2003 -0300, you wrote:   Remember you all helping me trouble shoot my old 1/2 hp Spencer blower with Emerson motor Well I did what you all suggested, I used a higher breaker, Well............ It stayed on longer but was noisy and then smoke started to pour from it, then the breaker tripped, I notices sparks coming from what looked like a primitive type of repulsion system. the motor has no normal brushes other then the repulsion that is brass and pulls away from the shaft. Any ideas why my old blower took up the habit of smoking and then suddenly quit? lol Danielwh   Daniel,   Your answer lies in the last line - THE BLOWER IS OLD. Nothing lasts forever. It tried it with my last car, it just kept breaking down.   Arie V.     OH No, I say. That isn't right. Spencers run all day and night.   (my apologies to Sandra Boynton)     Spencers DO run forever. An occasional motor overhaul, or bearing replacement maybe.   A Spencer is a longer-than-lifetime purchase. I have been in the organ business for forty years. Every Spencer I have seen, heard of, or dealt with, will still be here when I am puching up Daisies.     Jim ----__JNP_000_6a1f.7658.17a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3Dcontent-type = content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Dus-ascii> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:28:58 -0400 Arie Vandenberg &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:ArieV@classicorgan.com">ArieV@classicorgan.com</A>&gt; = =3D writes</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>At 06:24 PM 6/2/2003 -0300, you wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D3D"" type=3D3D"cite"><FONT face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D1>Remember =3D you all=3D20 helping me trouble shoot my old 1/2 hp Spencer blower&nbsp; with = Emerson=3D =3D20 motor<BR>&nbsp;Well I did what you all suggested, I used a higher = breaker=3D ,=3D20 <BR>Well............<BR>&nbsp;It stayed on longer but was noisy = and&nbsp;=3D then=3D20 smoke started to pour from it, then the breaker tripped,<BR>&nbsp;I =3D notices=3D20 sparks coming from what looked like a primitive type of repulsion = system.=3D the=3D20 motor has no normal brushes other then the repulsion that is brass and = =3D pulls=3D20 away from the shaft.<BR>&nbsp;Any ideas why my&nbsp; old blower took up = =3D the=3D20 habit of smoking and then suddenly=3D20 quit?<BR>&nbsp;lol<BR>&nbsp;Danielwh</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D1>Daniel,<BR><BR>Your answer lies in the last line - THE BLOWER = IS=3D20 OLD.&nbsp; Nothing lasts forever.&nbsp; It tried it with my last car, it = =3D just=3D20 kept breaking down.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT size=3D3D1>Arie V</FONT>. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>OH No, I say.&nbsp; That isn't right.</DIV> <DIV>Spencers run all day and night.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>(my apologies to Sandra Boynton)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Spencers DO run forever.&nbsp; An occasional motor overhaul, or =3D bearing=3D20 replacement maybe.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>A Spencer is a longer-than-lifetime purchase.&nbsp; I have been in = the=3D =3D20 organ business for forty years.</DIV> <DIV>Every Spencer I have seen, heard of, or dealt with, will still be = here=3D when=3D20 I am puching up Daisies.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Jim</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ----__JNP_000_6a1f.7658.17a4--    
(back) Subject: Re: fiddling around From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:18:16 -0400   On 6/3/03 10:36 AM, "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> wrote:   > Bahr-ill-lah. > Noel Jones: Thank you. Very much!   Alan (thus, "tranquillo," not "tranqueee-yo"!)    
(back) Subject: RE: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:56:56 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C329F1.24314332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Will I receive my copy of "Laufmann" with my OHS convention handbook? Or is it available separately?   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]=3D20 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:38 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention   =3D20   In a message dated 6/2/03 3:11:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:=3D20           Felix can help....=3D20       The wonderful, wonderful, c*t???? ;-)=3D20   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20   FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE http://tinyurl.com/2j5i (please it'll only take a minute!)=3D20     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C329F1.24314332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dblue>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Will I receive my copy of =3D &#8220;Laufmann&#8221; with my OHS convention handbook?&nbsp; Or is it available =3D separately?</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 02, = =3D 2003 6:38 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Bruce =3D Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In a message dated 6/2/03 = =3D 3:11:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes: <br> <br> <br> <br> </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Felix can =3D help&#8230;.</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial FAMILY=3D3DSANSSERIF><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> <br> The wonderful, wonderful, c*t???? &nbsp;;-) <br> <br> Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling =3D Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D <br> <br> FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <a =3D href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyurl.com/2j5i</a> (please it'll only take a minute!) </span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html> =3D00 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C329F1.24314332--  
(back) Subject: St. Michael & All Angels / Dallas - Paul Thomas CD From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:16:56 EDT     --part1_1e0.a3dc409.2c0e3208_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <A HREF=3D"http://www.saintmichael.org/">Saint Michael and All Angels = Church</A>   --part1_1e0.a3dc409.2c0e3208_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0"> <A = HREF=3D3D"http://www.saintmichael.org/">Saint=3D20=3D Michael and All Angels Church</A> </FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e0.a3dc409.2c0e3208_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: my old blower From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:42:25 -0300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C32A10.A4088150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Well , to give you all an idea of how old this one is Well on top of the motor is a ceramic junction plate with two poles on = it,=3D20 the Blower was installed originally on my Pipe Organ when electricity =3D came to the church it was located in, the blower dates around 1910 Well Im debating whether to get it overhauled or not, I do have a good = =3D blower hooked up to the organ so wind is not to worry about, I just =3D wanted to try to get this other blower working as a backup . Danielwh   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C32A10.A4088150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2726.2500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Well , to give you all an idea of how = =3D old this one=3D20 is</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;Well</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;on top of the motor is a = ceramic =3D junction=3D20 plate with two poles on it, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;the Blower was installed =3D originally on my=3D20 Pipe Organ when electricity came to the church it was located in, the =3D blower=3D20 dates around 1910</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;Well Im debating whether to get = =3D it overhauled=3D20 or not, I do have a good blower hooked up to the organ so wind is not to = =3D worry=3D20 about, I just wanted to try to get this other blower working as a backup = =3D   ..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Danielwh</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C32A10.A4088150--    
(back) Subject: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:02:10 -0500   Gentle ListFolk:   I need some opinions to determine whether or not our Choir Director and myself (organist) have been mis-treated or mislead. I will do my absolute best to tell only the facts, the truth, and stay away from hearsay or gossip.   The background:   I am the organist in a suburban church in a moderately-sized city in a Canadian prairie city. It is a congregation of the United Church of = Canada. The city has less than one million people. Our church has a membership of some 450 families, a sanctuary that seats 525 when absolutely full, a bright, light sanctuary (built in 1948) and have always maintained a high standard of "traditional" worship and music over the years. Currently the choir has six paid soloists (2 S, 1 C, 1 T, 1 Bar, 1 B) and a twenty-year-old Allen 505 S which has been cascaded and sounds = particularly well in the space.   The Choir Director has many years of choral experience including a few = years as a choral scholar at St. John's College, Cambridge, has taught high = school music for nearly 30 years as well as church choirs, amateur and = professional choral groups, an adjudicator across Canada, and a lovely Bass soloist.   I have been playing the organ in United and Anglican churches since 1966 = and can play almost all genres of organ music including some of the more complicated Bach fugues and the Widor Toccata, etc. I am known for my service playing skills, hymn leadership, and choir and solo accompaniment. = I believe that organ music in church, for me, is a true calling and I = express myself through the organ as the spirit moves me.   There are three other United Church congregations in our area of the city that are in similar situations - falling attendance, reduced giving, and increased expenses. It was decided a year ago to merge the three congregations into one. One of the three buildings was too small and in great need of repair, so the decision was made to choose from only two of the three buildings. Unfortunately, the building chosen was not ours, but rather the smaller of the two sanctuaries (525 versus 430). The church chosen has an ancient three-manual Allen installed in 1954 at the rear in the balcony of the building. It is in desperate need of replacement. It hasn't been much of an issue in the past two years as the organist and = choir director were let go two years ago and the congregation has been = struggling along with the "praise band" model of musical worship, including words projected on the front wall, etc. They are of the firm belief, at least = some members of the congregation, that this form of worship is the future.   As part of the amalgamation, each musician on the staffs of the three churches were given their notice on February 1st of this year. The amalgamation is to take place on July 1st this year. So, there was a team music ministry from our church, an organist/choir director from another church and the contemporary worship leader from the church chosen.   When the Job Descriptions were presented to the staff members, there were two positions to fill: Choir Director/Organist and Contemporary Music Co-ordinator/Accompanist. The descriptions clearly delineated a difference between the two worship styles as the "new" amalgamated congregation is to meet all together at 10:00 for 15 or 20 minutes of worship and then split into three "tracks": traditional, contemporary, and children. There was no indication that there would be any blending of services now or in the future. Older people, who are, face it, the best givers and stewards in = the church, were extremely happy that they were finally able to worship in a "traditional" manner without the pressure of turning congregants off who wanted a "contemporary" style. In short, attempting to be all things to = all people.   The Choir Director and myself discussed whether we should apply or not as = we are both staunchly traditional and really are of an age and experience = that we don't want to have to deal with praise band or "contemporary" worship music styles. We don't want a microphone used for anything but speaking - something that we were completely able to achieve in our current, but soon-to-be-shut sanctuary. The new sanctuary needs a new organ (we were willing to move the organ from our church there and install it = temporarily, but clearly a new instrument would be needed as soon as possible). The = choir needs to move from the rear of the church to the front - extensive alterations need to be made to accommodate the choir and organ console at the front of the sanctuary. The chosen church is wider, shorter, and has a roof that is really like a large inverted bathtub. Our sanctuary has a pleasant 2 - 3 second acoustic when full. The chosen sanctuary has less = than 1 minute when empty! Our sanctuary is cheery, light, bright with tall = light coloured glass windows on three sides. The chosen church has small dark coloured glass windows at chest level on two sides. There are no windows above your shoulders. It's dark at any time of the day, even with the lighting fully on.   We decided to apply and to ensure that we spoke, at length, to the principals of the "traditional" service and use the Job Description as the basis for our answers. We were interviewed individually as that was what = was requested. I had applied with the understanding that I was eminently qualified for the single position, but that we wanted to work together as = a team.   The positions' salaries were $CDN3,000.00 apart - the "contemporary" music leader was paid the higher salary.   Everyone in our church agreed that we were the best suited for the = position - the best qualified, the most experienced, and the most personable.   Both of us left the (separate) interviews feeling we did well and were confident that we were successful in our application.   Guess what? We weren't. The position was given to the Choir Director/Organist of the smallest church with the smallest organ, with the smallest choir, with the least experience and ability. We were told that = we weren't flexible enough for the "blended" services that they intended to have in the new church - of which we were absolutely not aware!   We are gobsmacked! We are disappointed, confused, angry, disheartened, upset, spiritually broken, and in need of some opinions and suggestions. I will reply to anyone off-list if you wish further clarification or information.   I apologize profusely for the extreme length of this posting, but you can, I'm sure, understand why it had to be of such a length. I believe this discussion to be pertinent as, I'm sure, we'll all be faced with a = situation like this in the near future - if we haven't all ready!   CHEERS! Blair...   _________________________________________ "Two enemies are just two potential friends who don't yet know each = other."