PipeChat Digest #3723 - Tuesday, June 3, 2003
 
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Opinions welcomed (long posting)
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
the AGO
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
the good old days
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:18:10 EDT     --part1_3a.39d82e3f.2c0eb0e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   My short response...   "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."   My not-so-short response... My heart feels for your situation. I have been given notice that my job = will no longer be available at the end of July, as they are "restructuring" our =   program.   Having said that... Mergers are always difficult events, from what I've seen. While everyone = can justify them for cost-cutting reasons, they are painful for everyone involved. In a very real sense, doors to God's house (a particular one) = are being closed -- that's tough to swallow.   Churches that wish to go whole-hog into "contemporary" idioms are short-sighted, however, that is the trend. Rather than fix the preaching, = they think that "updating" the music will work.   I personally have no qualms with contemporary idioms. But my goal has = always been to use variety within the worship experience (not necessarily in ONE worship hour, but over the long haul). I have problems with the = polarization that has occurred of late as a result of the "a la carte" approach to = multiple services.   Hang in there. God will use you both.   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ (yes, it is STILL raining)   --part1_3a.39d82e3f.2c0eb0e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">My short response...<BR> <BR> "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."<BR> <BR> My not-so-short response...<BR> My heart feels for your situation.&nbsp; I have been given notice that my = jo=3D b will no longer be available at the end of July, as they are = "restructuring=3D " our program.<BR> <BR> Having said that...<BR> Mergers are always difficult events, from what I've seen.&nbsp; While = everyo=3D ne can justify them for cost-cutting reasons, they are painful for = everyone=3D20=3D involved.&nbsp; In a very real sense, doors to God's house (a particular = one=3D ) are being closed -- that's tough to swallow.<BR> <BR> Churches that wish to go whole-hog into "contemporary" idioms are = short-sigh=3D ted, however, that is the trend.&nbsp; Rather than fix the preaching, they = t=3D hink that "updating" the music will work.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> I personally have no qualms with contemporary idioms.&nbsp; But my goal = has=3D20=3D always been to use variety within the worship experience (not necessarily = in=3D ONE worship hour, but over the long haul).&nbsp;&nbsp; I have problems = with=3D the polarization that has occurred of late as a result of the "a la = carte"=3D20=3D approach to multiple services.<BR> <BR> Hang in there.&nbsp; God will use you both.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil Brown<BR> Barnegat, NJ (yes, it is STILL raining)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3a.39d82e3f.2c0eb0e2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Opinions welcomed (long posting) From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:25:46 -0400   I offer the following opinion as regards Blair's recent unhappy experience. I apologize, too, for the length of this response.   What you want, I suspect, is not so much an opinion as advice on what to do next. Based on my not inconsiderable experience with similar circumstances, I think the best course of action is to be professional. We talk a lot in our profession about our work being "ministry". This is all well and good, but frankly it doesn't get you hired, nor does it keep you hired. What does get and keep you hired is your "professionalism". By that, I mean such things as ability to work with other people, accept direction from supervisors, be a team player, etc. Such phrases mean different things to different people, but I'm sure you understand the concepts. Our struggle is to combine those concepts with our own standards and our own viewpoints about our "ministry"; to reconcile our convictions with the equally (or perhaps more) important convictions of others in the community in which we work. It's a never ending struggle and is a reward in and of itself, in many ways.   "Professional" in this circumstance means accepting the decision with good grace and best wishes to those who did not choose you (they did NOT reject you, they merely chose someone else) and to those whom they DID choose, and move on to the next position. It accomplishes nothing positive, in the long run, to lash out or criticize them, however right you may be. It is their decision, to make; they made it; you have no real choice but to accept it. Being professional in this way, in my experience, actually enhances your qualifications and makes it easier to get another job, and possibly a better one that the one you didn't get (or from which you were let go, however you want to look at it).   Example: After leaving my last "permanent" position about a year and a half ago, I have been doing sub and interim jobs. My most recent interim job was in a congregational church. I liked the job very much - minister very easy to work with and very supportive, good volunteer choir, brand new hybrid organ - and was invited to apply for the "permanent" position. I did so, along with a number of other people, and I made the final cut. At about the time of the final cut, however, some things were said that led me to believe that although I made the final cut, it was merely "pro forma", that is, to keep me there until the actual choice was made. I continued to do the job to the best of my ability and received assurances from all and sundry, especially the minister, that they were very satisfied with my work. You can guess, no doubt, that I was not hired. No reason was given, nor did I demand one. It was the committee's decision to make (the minister was not on the committee, alas), they made their decision, and I lived with it without protest. A few weeks later, two other jobs that I had applied for, that were better than the congregational job in substantial aspects, both asked for references. At that point I realized, to my relief, that I could give as a reference the minister at the congregational church. Even though I knew in my heart of hearts that the reason I was not hired had more to do with gender than with ability, I was could not complain that I was mistreated even though I probably was not dealt with honestly (in the sense of full disclosure) because I was given what we lawyers call "due process". They "heard me out" so to speak, and said no. All we can ask for is a hearing. Having accepted the decision with good grace and "professionalism", I got a really good reference and wound up getting a much better job than the one for which I got turned down.   Based solely on your posting, Blair, it is my opinion that you got "due process". You were considered and they apparently did not feel that you met the qualifications which they were seeking, even though they may not have been clear about what those qualifications were (they may not have been certain what they wanted, themselves!). It may be that your mistake was in limiting your approach to the principals (or do you perhaps mean principLES?) of the "traditional" track even though it seems fairly clear that the successful candidate would have to work in all three tracks. In other words, you lacked flexibility, at least on the surface. In any event, please accept my condolences and best wishes as you find a better position. With your qualifications, you shouldn't have too much trouble finding one soon.   David Baker, Esq.    
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:28:12 EDT     --part1_1a4.155468c3.2c0eb33c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   blair,   amen to what Dale said.   dale in florida   --part1_1a4.155468c3.2c0eb33c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Georgia Ref" LANG=3D3D"0">blair,<BR> <BR> amen to what Dale said.<BR> <BR> dale in florida</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a4.155468c3.2c0eb33c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:35:29 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C32A20.6F54BBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >In the US, the American Guild of Organists have local and national =3D Professional Concerns Committees to >which the general membership can =3D post complaint. I do not know if the Canadian Guild has a similar =3D >Committee, but if so, you could make immediate contact. To move on, =3D however, seems healthier and happier.   Yes, but by not taking a stand, you're also leaving a hole for someone =3D else to fall through. There's an old saying: "Bad things are allowed =3D to happen when good people don't do anything". Unions, which is =3D essentially what the AGO is, were created to protect the small people. = =3D None of us should feel afriad to use our representation. We're all in =3D this together. =3D20   >It is your choice how you wish to interpret my suggestions. =3D20   Likewise. Ask God for guidance and follow your heart.   Jim Clouser Cleveland Institute of Music       ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: ProOrgo53@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)       Tuesday evening, June 3   Hello Blair,   As I write this, I do so with something of a heavy heart, sensing the = =3D disappointment, frustration, hurt, anger, disbelief and sense of =3D betrayal which you and those of your churches who hold you in esteem =3D must all be feeling. Surely some of the clergy or other staff must also = =3D be in a similar predictament.=3D20   I probably have more questions, certainly, than answers, but I firmly = =3D believe that your last sentence is prophetic: "I'm sure, we'll all be =3D faced with a situation like this in the near future - if we haven't all = =3D ready!" =3D20   While I do not follow any particular evangelist, religious leader =3D (living or dead), or ascribe to any creed or religious movement, I do =3D believe in God's Word, the Holy Bible and that we are, indeed, living in = =3D the last days of this dispensation of time leading to the return of the = =3D Lord Jesus Christ.=3D20   I also believe that the Enemy knows this and is doing everything =3D possible to destroy as many lives, homes, institutions (including =3D churches) and the faith and beliefs of as many disciples of Jesus as is = =3D possible and that none of us are exempt from the trial. Hence, Christ =3D told us to "pray always." Look up and rejoice, knowing that the hour of = =3D our Lord is at hand and stand in holy places and be ready.=3D20   In the US, the American Guild of Organists have local and national =3D Professional Concerns Committees to which the general membership can =3D post complaint. I do not know if the Canadian Guild has a similar =3D Committee, but if so, you could make immediate contact. To move on, =3D however, seems healthier and happier.   If you and the team member you hoped to work along side are both =3D members of the church denomination which has made this unfortunate =3D decision, your feelings are likely moreover compounded. =3D20   If the decision of the "principals" is final, it seems there is no =3D real course of action to alter the outcome. "Pray for those who =3D despitefully use you." To stand in holy places perhaps can also mean =3D praying for Divine guidance to a place which truly needs your =3D outstanding, quality and devoted service as music ministers. Perhaps God = =3D is ready to open a new avenue of opportunity in which you can be joyful = =3D and flourish - "leaving behind what is past."   I know that nearly all of my suggestions can come off sounding trite, = =3D "easy to say -- hard to do" and like a Bible-carrying madman. It is =3D your choice how you wish to interpret my suggestions. =3D20   You have my encouragement, however, to share what I've written with =3D your colleague. If possible, sit down together, share in prayer =3D together, asking God's guidance, protection and help.=3D20   I believe you will be caused to rejoice if you will follow this =3D admonition, believing with faith in God's love, concern and care for =3D your happiness and God's acceptance of your true intent to be of service = =3D to God's kingdom on Earth.   Three things are very apparent from what you shared:   1) The "principals" - those who made these decisions are clearly =3D intimidated by you. 2) The decision was, in part, based on how they could "get by" for the = =3D least amount of money. 3) There was not clear and distinct honesty among all those who =3D shared in the responsibility of these decisions; this being the case, =3D their efforts are likely to be frustrated and fail. They may think that = =3D by combining three churches they will acquire the membership, =3D attendance, income and volunteerism of the combined forces. They will =3D soon learn that their efforts will be met with frustration because their = =3D actions, decisions and methods were not guided by the Holy Spirit or the = =3D will of God.   Blessings in your future musical ministries and endeavors!   Dale Rider Independence, MO                     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/2003   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C32A20.6F54BBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&gt;In the US, the American Guild of = =3D Organists have=3D20 local and national Professional Concerns Committees to &gt;which the =3D general=3D20 membership can post complaint. I do not know if the Canadian Guild has a = =3D similar=3D20 &gt;Committee, but if so, you could make immediate contact. To move on, = =3D however,=3D20 seems healthier and happier.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Yes, but by&nbsp;not taking a stand, = =3D you're also=3D20 leaving a hole for someone else to fall through.&nbsp; There's an old=3D20 saying:&nbsp; "Bad things are allowed to happen when good people don't =3D do=3D20 anything".&nbsp; Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were =3D created to=3D20 protect the small people.&nbsp; None of us should feel&nbsp;afriad to=3D20 use&nbsp;our representation.&nbsp; We're all in this together.&nbsp;=3D20 &nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&gt;It is your choice how you wish to = =3D interpre<I>t=3D20 </I>my suggestions.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Likewise.&nbsp; Ask God for guidance = =3D and follow=3D20 your heart.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim Clouser</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cleveland Institute of =3D Music</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DProOrgo53@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:ProOrgo53@aol.com">ProOrgo53@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 03, 2003 = =3D 9:33=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Opinions =3D welcomed... (Long=3D20 posting)</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT =3D face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"> <DIV><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=3D20 face=3D3D"Times New Roman" color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF">Tuesday evening,=3D20 June 3<BR><BR>Hello Blair,<BR><BR>As I write this, I do so with =3D something of a=3D20 heavy heart, sensing the disappointment, frustration, hurt, anger, =3D disbelief=3D20 and sense of betrayal which you and those of your churches who hold =3D you in=3D20 esteem must all be feeling.&nbsp; Surely some of the clergy or other =3D staff=3D20 must also be in a similar predictament. <BR><BR>I probably have = more=3D20 questions, certainly, than answers, but I firmly believe that your =3D last=3D20 sentence is prophetic:&nbsp; <B><I>"</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I'm sure, we'll all be faced with a situation =3D like this in=3D20 the near future - if we haven't all ready!"&nbsp;</B> =3D </I><BR><BR>While I do=3D20 not follow any particular evangelist, religious leader (living or =3D dead), or=3D20 ascribe to any creed or religious movement, I do believe in God's =3D Word, the=3D20 Holy Bible and that we are, indeed, living in the last days of this=3D20 dispensation of time leading to the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. =3D <BR><BR>I=3D20 also believe that the Enemy knows this and is doing everything =3D possible to=3D20 destroy as many lives, homes, institutions (including churches) and =3D the faith=3D20 and beliefs of as many disciples of Jesus as is possible and that none = =3D of us=3D20 are exempt from the trial. Hence, Christ told us to "pray always." =3D Look up and=3D20 rejoice, knowing that the hour of our Lord is at hand and stand in =3D holy places=3D20 and be ready. <BR><BR>In the US, the American Guild of Organists have = =3D local=3D20 and national Professional Concerns Committees to which the general =3D membership=3D20 can post complaint. I do not know if the Canadian Guild has a = similar=3D20 Committee, but if so, you could make immediate contact. To move on, =3D however,=3D20 seems healthier and happier.<BR><BR>If you and the team member you =3D hoped to=3D20 work along side are both members of the church denomination which has = =3D made=3D20 this unfortunate decision, your feelings are likely moreover =3D compounded.&nbsp;=3D20 <BR><BR>If the decision of the "principals" is final, it seems there =3D is no=3D20 real course of action to alter the outcome. "Pray for those who =3D despitefully=3D20 use you."&nbsp; To stand in holy places perhaps can also mean praying = =3D for=3D20 Divine guidance to a place which truly needs your outstanding, quality = =3D and=3D20 devoted service as music ministers. Perhaps God is ready to open a new = =3D avenue=3D20 of opportunity in which you can be joyful and flourish - "leaving =3D behind what=3D20 is past."<BR><BR>I know that nearly all of my suggestions can come off = =3D   sounding trite, "easy to say -- hard to do" and like a = Bible-carrying=3D20 madman.&nbsp; It is your choice how you wish to interpre<I>t </I>my=3D20 suggestions.&nbsp; <BR><BR>You have my encouragement, however, to =3D share what=3D20 I've written with your colleague. If possible, sit down together, =3D share in=3D20 prayer together, asking God's guidance, protection and help. <BR><BR>I = =3D believe=3D20 you will be caused to rejoice if you will follow this admonition, =3D believing=3D20 with faith in God's love, concern and care for your happiness and =3D God's=3D20 acceptance of your true intent to be of service to God's kingdom on=3D20 Earth.<BR><BR>Three things are very apparent from what you =3D shared:<BR><BR>1)=3D20 The "principals" - those who made these decisions are clearly =3D intimidated by=3D20 you.<BR>2) The decision was, in part, based on how they could "get by" =3D for the=3D20 least amount of money.<BR>3)&nbsp; There was not clear and distinct =3D honesty=3D20 among all those who shared in the responsibility of these decisions; =3D this=3D20 being the case, their efforts are likely to be frustrated and =3D fail.&nbsp; They=3D20 may think that by combining three churches they will acquire the =3D membership,=3D20 attendance, income and volunteerism of the combined forces. They will = =3D soon=3D20 learn that their efforts will be met with frustration because their =3D actions,=3D20 decisions and methods were not guided by the Holy Spirit or the will =3D of=3D20 God.<BR><BR>Blessings in your future musical ministries and=3D20 endeavors!<BR><BR>Dale Rider<BR>Independence,=3D20 MO<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3D"Times New Roman" =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000=3D20 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified = =3D Virus=3D20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.487=3D20 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date:=3D20 6/1/2003<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C32A20.6F54BBD0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:55:49 EDT     --part1_17b.1b2d01f5.2c0eb9b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I must respectfully object...   Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were created to protect the small people.   The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union.   Neil Brown   --part1_17b.1b2d01f5.2c0eb9b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">I must respectfully object...<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Unions, which is = essentially=3D what the AGO is, were created to protect the small people.</FONT><FONT = COL=3D OR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSE=3D RIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union.<BR> <BR> Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17b.1b2d01f5.2c0eb9b5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: the AGO From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:09:39 -0700   Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > I must respectfully object... > > Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were created to protect > the small people. > > The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union. > > Neil Brown   Bud here --   More's the pity ... though they have become MUCH more aggressive with job actions in the last few years. Sadly, almost ALL the current job actions are against Episcopal churches.   Here's the problem: professional church musicians (a minority of the Guild membership) need different things than part-time amateur musicians .... nothing against amateur musicians, mind you.   Britain solved it by having two organists' organizations ... the Royal College of Organists for professionals, admission by examination (as the Guild was in the beginning), and an organization for amateur organists (I forget the name right now), open to all.   As a full-time professional church musician, I need such things as collective bargaining for health benefits, pension, job security, etc., and action on pending denominational legislation ... in our case, the repeal of the "Rector's Pleasure" canon. Benefits could either be negotiated through the denomination, the parish, or the Guild itself as the insurer.   Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, repertoire, etc.   MOST Guild programs are geared to the amateur, and that's fine ... but I don't need workshops in the basics (grin).   I'd be interested in master classes on Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique, for instance, or possibly a presentation on the "new" Solesmes rhythmic interpretation of the Chant, or a series of master-classes using Dupre's Improvisation Method as a text. None of those things would interest the amateur organist.   I'm not a snob; just that my needs are different, and there's really no place else to get them met.   Cheers,   Bud            
(back) Subject: the good old days From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:22:12 -0700   Someone on Anglican-Music has an unpublished article or thesis on media coverage of church music a hundred years ago; The Tracker published some journals from the same era, and BOY! did THEY make fascinating reading (grin).   Sadly, the conclusion reached is that IN GENERAL, city churches (at least) had BETTER music a hundred years ago than they do today, and the INTEREST in church music, choirs, and organs was MUCH more GENERAL.   When the first big organ at Trinity Wall Street was finished, there was a TRAFFIC JAM on lower Broadway of carriages full of people going to see it ... can you IMAGINE such a thing today? Hardly. The last thing I heard of even CLOSE to that was the arrival of the Skinner for First Methodist, Houston TX making the local TV news (grin).   When we moved and restored the Koehnken & Grimm in Cincinnati, the reservoir was lined with German-language newspapers from the time the organ was built ... the 1890s.   That organ saw the baptisms, marriages, and funerals of generations ... the Great War, WWII, Korea ... it was still playing in its original location during Vietnam.   When it was new, there were still monarchs on most of the thrones of = Europe.   Mass was in Latin, the communion fast was from midnight, fish on Friday was the rule, women had to cover their heads in church, "fiddle-back" chasubles were still in style, novenas and Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament were standing-room-only, at least in wartime, mixed marriages were a scandal, divorce was unknown, almost nobody ever left the priesthood or the convent, priests were heroes, boys aspired to the priesthood BECAUSE priests were heroes, juvenile delinquency met with the razor strop -- at church, at school, at home ... younger people stood when older people entered the room, people bowed to priests and school-teachers ...   Hmmm ... doesn't sound so bad to me (grin).   Cheers,   Bud