PipeChat Digest #3724 - Wednesday, June 4, 2003
 
Re: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: the good old days
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
Re: the AGO
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Bruce Cornely's new hymn for OHS convention From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:20:51 EDT     --part1_f.12aa1d62.2c0ebf93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 6/3/03 12:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:     > Will I receive my copy of =3DE2=3D80=3D9CLaufmann=3DE2=3D80=3D9D with my = OHS conventio=3D n handbook? Or=3D20 > is it available separately? >=3D20   The hymns in the HymnSing will not be included in the Handbook or = Hymnlet,=3D20 but will be included in a separate booklet which will be available at = the=3D20 HymnSing. Additional copies for those not attending will be available = from=3D me.     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20   FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyurl.c=3D om/2j5i</A> (please it'll only take a=3D20 minute!)     --part1_f.12aa1d62.2c0ebf93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 6/3/03=3D 12:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000080" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Will I = receive=3D20=3D my copy of =3DE2=3D80=3D9CLaufmann=3DE2=3D80=3D9D with my OHS convention = handbook? &nbsp=3D ;Or is it available separately?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3D2 FAMI=3D LY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>The hymns in the HymnSing will not be included in the Handbook or = Hymnle=3D t, but will be included in a separate booklet which will be available at = the=3D HymnSing. &nbsp;&nbsp;Additional copies for those not attending will be = ava=3D ilable from me. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyu=3D rl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll only take a minute!) <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_f.12aa1d62.2c0ebf93_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the good old days From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:56:38 EDT     --part1_1a9.15916a94.2c0ec7f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   the arrival of the Skinner for First Methodist, Houston TX making the local TV news (grin).   Well, the dedication of our Schantz in 1995 was covered by a reporter from =   the local radio station. (grin) All you could hear on the clips behind = the reporter was the 2 trumpets we hired. Oh well.   Neil Brown     --part1_1a9.15916a94.2c0ec7f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">the arrival of the Skinner for First <BR> Methodist, Houston TX making the local TV news (grin). <BR> <BR> Well, the dedication of our Schantz in 1995 was covered by a reporter from = t=3D he local radio station.&nbsp; (grin)&nbsp; All you could hear on the clips = b=3D ehind the reporter was the 2 trumpets we hired.&nbsp; Oh well.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil Brown<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_1a9.15916a94.2c0ec7f6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:32:35 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C32A30.CBA682F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   How is the AGO not a union?       ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)     I must respectfully object...   Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were created to protect = =3D the small people.   The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union.   Neil Brown=3D20     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/2003 ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C32A30.CBA682F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">How is the AGO not a union?</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DInnkawgneeto@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com">Innkawgneeto@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 03, 2003 = =3D 10:55=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Opinions =3D welcomed... (Long=3D20 posting)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D3 =3D   FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I must respectfully object...<BR><BR></FONT><FONT = =3D lang=3D3D0=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, =3D were created=3D20 to protect the small people.</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>The American Guild of Organists is NOT = a=3D20 union.<BR><BR>Neil Brown</FONT> </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is =3D certified Virus=3D20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.487=3D20 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date:=3D20 6/1/2003</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C32A30.CBA682F0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:00:20 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C32A2C.4A51AC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >>How is the AGO not a union?   Well, for one, I haven't seen many dungaree-wearin' AGO'ers with raised, = =3D clenched fists (with pipe in hand?).   Secondly, their kneecaps aren't in jeopardy for not joining -- that we =3D know of. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C32A2C.4A51AC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>&gt;&gt;How is the AGO not a union?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DVerdana size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Well, for one, I haven't seen =3D many&nbsp;dungaree-wearin'&nbsp;AGO'ers with=3D20 raised, clenched fists (with pipe in hand?).</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DVerdana size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Secondly, their kneecaps aren't in jeopardy for not joining -- that = =3D we know=3D20 of.</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C32A2C.4A51AC60--    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:18:59 -0400   Bud,   I'm sorry that you don't feel that the AGO isn't worth the time.   > Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need > workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, > repertoire, etc.   I personally don't consider hymn-playing a basic. I haven't met a lot of church organists (even "professionals" with bachelors and masters degrees, amazingly) that can play hymns at a top drawer level. Hymn playing is all too often overlooked I think. Even if you have mastered the technical issues of service playing (I celebrate that day like I do my birthday!), workshops are good for fresh ideas. All too often, I find myself doing = the same old stuff over and over again! I have to force myself to analyze my service playing every once in a while, or else worship becomes tedious and boring.   As a serious conservatory student, I have felt taken care of by the Guild via: scholarship support, a free ride and performance at the 2003 = Convention (this year, having been selected to compete in the finals of the Region V competition), and opportunies to meet and have dinner with Frederick = Swann, amongst other top concert artists (all in this past year, my first year of conservatory). I would not have the contacts nor opportunities that I = have and have had without the Guild.   All in all, my experience with the AGO has been excellent. I hope that I didn't step on anyone's toes (I sincerely didn't mean to if I did).   Jim Clouser Cleveland Institute of Music         ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:09 PM Subject: the AGO     > Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > > I must respectfully object... > > > > Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were created to protect > > the small people. > > > > The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union. > > > > Neil Brown > > Bud here -- > > More's the pity ... though they have become MUCH more aggressive with > job actions in the last few years. Sadly, almost ALL the current job > actions are against Episcopal churches. > > Here's the problem: professional church musicians (a minority of the > Guild membership) need different things than part-time amateur musicians > ... nothing against amateur musicians, mind you. > > Britain solved it by having two organists' organizations ... the Royal > College of Organists for professionals, admission by examination (as the > Guild was in the beginning), and an organization for amateur organists > (I forget the name right now), open to all. > > As a full-time professional church musician, I need such things as > collective bargaining for health benefits, pension, job security, etc., > and action on pending denominational legislation ... in our case, the > repeal of the "Rector's Pleasure" canon. Benefits could either be > negotiated through the denomination, the parish, or the Guild itself as > the insurer. > > Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need > workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, > repertoire, etc. > > MOST Guild programs are geared to the amateur, and that's fine ... but I > don't need workshops in the basics (grin). > > I'd be interested in master classes on Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique, > for instance, or possibly a presentation on the "new" Solesmes rhythmic > interpretation of the Chant, or a series of master-classes using Dupre's > Improvisation Method as a text. None of those things would interest the > amateur organist. > > I'm not a snob; just that my needs are different, and there's really no > place else to get them met. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/2003  
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:24:53 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C32A38.19C56D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   :) I have to admit, I tried to imagine that! =3D20   The AGO's mission statement is very close to that of most Unions'. I =3D grew up in a family of union electricians, so I've always felt the =3D "brotherly love". So maybe we're not beating the "rats" over the head =3D with 8' harmonic trumpets, but that's okay - we're church orienated. :) = =3D =3D20   Jim Clouser Cleveland Institute of Music ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Bill=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:00 AM Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)     >>How is the AGO not a union?   Well, for one, I haven't seen many dungaree-wearin' AGO'ers with =3D raised, clenched fists (with pipe in hand?).   Secondly, their kneecaps aren't in jeopardy for not joining -- that we = =3D know of.     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/2003 ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C32A38.19C56D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>:)&nbsp; I have to admit, I tried to = =3D imagine=3D20 that!&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The AGO's mission statement is very = =3D close to that=3D20 of most Unions'.&nbsp; I grew up in a family of union electricians, so =3D I've=3D20 always felt the "brotherly love".&nbsp; So maybe we're not beating the =3D "rats"=3D20 over the head with 8' harmonic trumpets, but that's&nbsp;okay - we're =3D church=3D20 orienated.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim Clouser</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cleveland Institute of =3D Music</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dbill.hauser@cox.net =3D href=3D3D"mailto:bill.hauser@cox.net">Bill</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 04, 2003 = =3D 1:00=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Opinions =3D welcomed... (Long=3D20 posting)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>&gt;&gt;How is the AGO not a union?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DVerdana size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Well, for one, I haven't seen =3D many&nbsp;dungaree-wearin'&nbsp;AGO'ers=3D20 with raised, clenched fists (with pipe in hand?).</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DVerdana size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Secondly, their kneecaps aren't in jeopardy for not joining -- =3D that we=3D20 know of.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.<BR>Checked by =3D AVG=3D20 anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.487=3D20 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: =3D 6/1/2003</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C32A38.19C56D50--