PipeChat Digest #3729 - Thursday, June 5, 2003
 
Re: the AGO
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Performance Announcements (X-POSTED)
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Trim those quotes
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Accessibility
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Accessibility
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Don Pearson
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
2nd pres. Manhatten?
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: 2nd pres. Manhatten?
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: 2nd pres. Manhatten?
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:54:52 -0400   Andrew,   Yup, Todd's my teacher here. He's a great guy and an unbelievably awesome organist. Where did he do a master class at last month? Did you play for him? You're right about hymn playing. Once you develope good part = playing skills, being inventive is such a challenge. I just got started on improv this year. The first thing that Todd told me to do was to get myself to = be able to count measures while I play. Right from the get go it's hard.   Jim C     ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: RE: the AGO     > Jim, > > Do you study with Todd Wilson? I had a masterclass with him last month and > he is an excellent teacher. Hymn playing, in my opinion is only basic = if > you play them straight. Once you get into hymn impovisation like in = Gerre > Hancock's book, it is far from basic. When I was a master's student in > organ at Bowling GReen State University, my teacher spent lots of time with > me on hymn improv and it will be years before I come close to mastering it. > I also agree that AGO is helpful. Like you, I have met many great = people > and organists through AGO(it was through AGO that I got the masterclass with > Todd) and had many great opportunities taht I would not have otherwise had. > > Andrew Meagher > First Congregational Church > Norwich, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jim Clouser > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:19 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: the AGO > > > Bud, > > I'm sorry that you don't feel that the AGO isn't worth the time. > > > Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need > > workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, > > repertoire, etc. > > I personally don't consider hymn-playing a basic. I haven't met a lot = of > church organists (even "professionals" with bachelors and masters = degrees, > amazingly) that can play hymns at a top drawer level. Hymn playing is = all > too often overlooked I think. Even if you have mastered the technical > issues of service playing (I celebrate that day like I do my birthday!), > workshops are good for fresh ideas. All too often, I find myself doing the > same old stuff over and over again! I have to force myself to analyze = my > service playing every once in a while, or else worship becomes tedious = and > boring. > > As a serious conservatory student, I have felt taken care of by the = Guild > via: scholarship support, a free ride and performance at the 2003 Convention > (this year, having been selected to compete in the finals of the Region = V > competition), and opportunies to meet and have dinner with Frederick Swann, > amongst other top concert artists (all in this past year, my first year = of > conservatory). I would not have the contacts nor opportunities that I have > and have had without the Guild. > > All in all, my experience with the AGO has been excellent. I hope that = I > didn't step on anyone's toes (I sincerely didn't mean to if I did). > > Jim Clouser > Cleveland Institute of Music > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:09 PM > Subject: the AGO > > > > Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > > > I must respectfully object... > > > > > > Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were created to = protect > > > the small people. > > > > > > The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union. > > > > > > Neil Brown > > > > Bud here -- > > > > More's the pity ... though they have become MUCH more aggressive with > > job actions in the last few years. Sadly, almost ALL the current job > > actions are against Episcopal churches. > > > > Here's the problem: professional church musicians (a minority of the > > Guild membership) need different things than part-time amateur = musicians > > ... nothing against amateur musicians, mind you. > > > > Britain solved it by having two organists' organizations ... the Royal > > College of Organists for professionals, admission by examination (as = the > > Guild was in the beginning), and an organization for amateur organists > > (I forget the name right now), open to all. > > > > As a full-time professional church musician, I need such things as > > collective bargaining for health benefits, pension, job security, = etc., > > and action on pending denominational legislation ... in our case, the > > repeal of the "Rector's Pleasure" canon. Benefits could either be > > negotiated through the denomination, the parish, or the Guild itself = as > > the insurer. > > > > Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need > > workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, > > repertoire, etc. > > > > MOST Guild programs are geared to the amateur, and that's fine ... but = I > > don't need workshops in the basics (grin). > > > > I'd be interested in master classes on Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique, > > for instance, or possibly a presentation on the "new" Solesmes = rhythmic > > interpretation of the Chant, or a series of master-classes using = Dupre's > > Improvisation Method as a text. None of those things would interest = the > > amateur organist. > > > > I'm not a snob; just that my needs are different, and there's really = no > > place else to get them met. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/2003 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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(back) Subject: Performance Announcements (X-POSTED) From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:06:52 -0400   Lists:   This is to announce my upcoming performances in MICHIGAN in JULY. Information is below:   SATURDAY JULY 26, 2003 CRYSTAL FALLS, MICHIGAN - CRYSTAL THEATRE = - 7:00PM - 3/21 MOLLER --- INFORMATION by calling 1-906-875-6052   SUNDAY JULY 27, 2003 IRONWOOD, MICHIGAN - IRONWOOD THEATRE - 2:00PM - 2/7 BARTON --- INFORMATION by calling the THEATRE - 1-906-932-0618   I'd love to see my friends on the lists in attendance and finally get to meet some of you face to face.   Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL 3/12 Wurlitzer Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute) 4/42 Wurlitzer First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL 4/98 Rodgers-Ruffati-Wicks CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS      
(back) Subject: Trim those quotes From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:08:54 -0500   For goodness' sake, folks, trim your quotes! We definitely do NOT need to see an entire long post again and again and again because somebody hit "reply" and didn't delete the extra stuff.   It is very annoying to those of us who receive Pipechat in digest form because we must scroll through all that useless verbiage!   Cordially, but pleadingly, Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats    
(back) Subject: Accessibility From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:17:19 -0500   Religious organizations such as churches are exempt from ADA, AFAIK. I don't know about California building codes.   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats ________   How did the choir gallery in the new building pass inspection without an elevator? The building codes require it, otherwise nobody can use it.    
(back) Subject: Re: Accessibility From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:31:19 -0700   They applied for (and got) an exemption for the choir loft ... but the "equivalent space" downstairs that got them the exemption has since been done away with. So their choices are (1) make the choir loft handicapped accessible, or (2) move the organ and choir downstairs. (3) Firing me because I'm handicapped AIN'T gonna fly (chuckle).   ADA stops at the church door, but it allows states to establish stricter requirements, which California did. California law does NOT stop at the church door.   Cheers,   Bud   First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote: > Religious organizations such as churches are exempt from ADA, AFAIK. I > don't know about California building codes. > > Dennis Steckley > & A Six-Pack of Cats > ________ > > How did the choir gallery in the new building pass inspection > without an elevator? The building codes require it, otherwise > nobody can use it. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Don Pearson From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:18:17 -0500   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > He was summarily fired from the cathedral after 22 years, escorted off > the property by armed Denver police. That's all I know.   Does anyone know anything more about this by now?   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: 2nd pres. Manhatten? From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:25:34 EDT   Hey Gang, does anyone know anything about 2nd Presbyterian in NYC? I've = never heard of it, but it supposedly had an old and alrge Austin.     -Pete  
(back) Subject: Re: 2nd pres. Manhatten? From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:52:50 EDT     --part1_150.1fedae44.2c1026a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi ............   The Austin opus list says that 2nd Pres. is opus 1640, 4 manuals 107 = stops.   Bill   --part1_150.1fedae44.2c1026a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi ............<BR> <BR> The Austin opus list says that 2nd Pres. is opus 1640, 4 manuals 107 = stops.<=3D BR> <BR> Bill</FONT></HTML>   --part1_150.1fedae44.2c1026a2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 2nd pres. Manhatten? From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:57:47 -0500   2nd Presbyterian, W.96th St., Manhattan had a large four manual Austin = from the 1920's.... it was rebuilt in 1978 by Konzelmann. I believe it is a 4/41.   Sand Lawn   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oboe32@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: 2nd pres. Manhatten? >