PipeChat Digest #3730 - Thursday, June 5, 2003
 
Re: Donald Pearson
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Church Jobs and the AGO
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: 2nd pres. Manhatten?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Donald Pearson
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: what conservatories teach
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: unions
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: Wedding Saturday evening.
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Roger-Ducasse moment
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: unions
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: the AGO
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Roger-Ducasse moment
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
manual 32s
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: manual 32s
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: manual 32s
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: manual 32s
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting)
  by "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Donald Pearson From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:15:43 EDT   I have known Donald Pearson for 26 years, and like many of us with = whom he has been close, I have heard nothing. Let us please not speculate; even the repetition of rumor seems to = churn whispers into alleged facts, and many a life has been ruined by the words = and deeds of a single individual, or small groups thereof. Rumors about Dr. Pearson, the Kimball organ at the Cathedral, and clergy-musician relations have swarmed out of Denver for years, none of = them truly verifiable. The only consistent statements regarding Donald over the = decades have been those in admiration of his ability, work ethic, and = musicianship.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Jobs and the AGO From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:12:08 -0700   > > The clergy firmly believe that the only way to bring young people to >church is to make it indistinguishable from MTV.     And a daunting job it is!   Yesterday here on the Vassar campus, it was 5 pm and the carillon (alright it's a Schulmerich donted by a wealthy alumni -sp?) was tolling its usual 5 pm - end- of - day sequence. A young man, from an alarm company who was wiring a new system in one of our buildings, stopped me outside and said -genuinly puzzled : "What's that sound?" I told him it was the 'bells' ringing 5 pm from the bell tower. and he said 'oh...' looking just as puzzled.   Should I have told him that bells used to be the way to sound an alarm??.......Naaahhh...   John V   PS Don Resor, you reading this? ;-)  
(back) Subject: Re: 2nd pres. Manhatten? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:23:41 EDT   It WAS an Austin, Opus 1640, of some 100 or more ranks, presided over = by T. Scott Buhrman, opinionated editor of The American Organist. He = dedicated the multi-enclosure, orchestral instrument February 23, 1930. It embraced = an enormous variety of color, and even some heavily extended unit stops -- = and beat out the Skinner bid, which would have been much more slanted toward the emerging chorus-building style. It has since been drastically rebuilt, greatly reduced in size, and = bears no resemblance to the original, in either design or sound.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Donald Pearson From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:29:27 -0700   > I have known Donald Pearson for 26 years, and like many of us with = whom >he has been close, I have heard nothing. >   Are we discussing the same Donald Pearson, who at one time lived in Poughkeepsie, NY, then moved to Florida?   our acquaintance goes back a few years too. Just curious...   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: what conservatories teach From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:04:24 -0400   On 6/4/03 7:44 PM, "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> wrote:   > the service playing requirements/training here at the > Institute are just as vigorous, if not more so, than church nusic = programs.   Jim, I'm very encouraged by your post.   Fifty years ago, it seems to me, there were a few hundred or so excellent organists who held church jobs--but churches were not awfully demanding. = It was basically an accompanying and performing job. (Churchgoing was = boring, both musically and otherwise.)   But now, if I see it right, there are more and more churches that demand = the kind of flexibility that your training is giving you. I'm glad, from the churchy point of view. But I'm also very glad that places like the Institute are training people to MEET those demands. Everybody benefits.   Thanks.   Alan Freed www.stlukesnyc.org    
(back) Subject: RE: unions From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:08:12 -0400   Bud,   You would also have a very strong wrongful termination case. That is definitely not an acceptable reason to fire someone. What denomination = are you in? Not all denominations give the pastor the power to fire people without getting the appoval of a committee. Best wishes for your recovery and be sure to stick it to them both legally and through AGO if they fire you.   Andrew Meagher First Congregational Church Norwich, NY   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:15 PM To: PipeChat Subject: unions     Um, Andrew ... a couple of questions: is your wife the chief wage-earner in your household? Are you dependent upon her income?   I have a family of four; we're all disabled to one degree or another. I am the sole bread-winner; they are totally dependent upon my income to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.   Currently, my rector is trying to fire me for being disabled myself (congestive heart failure), rather than spend the money to make the choir loft handicapped-accessible.   Yes, if it comes to pass, I think I will have a strong legal case, and I WILL pursue it; BUT ... in the meantime, we will lose our home and be on the street, unless someone takes us in. We are never more than one paycheck away from homeless at BEST.   Against THAT background, "union" sounds pretty good to ME. I've served the church faithfully for 49 years; I think I deserve better, but I'm not going to GET it unless and until a few more organists stand up on their hind legs and say, "ENOUGH!"   Bud   Andrew Mead wrote: > Paul: Perhaps when I actually see my wife or other organists being = treated > poorly by their employers I'll hop on the union wagon-but from my = vantage > point things just aren't that bad. In fact in our case (my wife's), it's > wonderful. We respect our employers and try to do more than asked and = they > respect us and in turn give us more than we think we deserve. > > Andrew Mead > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Emmons, Paul > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 PM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: Opinions welcomed > > Andrew Mead writes: > > >>I would not like to see organists "organize" and form trade unions. = There > > would be some short term benefits, but the end would be very bad. > > How and why would it be very bad? > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Saturday evening. From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:11:38 -0400   Alan,   Thanks for thinking of me. Norwich is in Chenango county about an hour north of Binghamton, NY. It's not a big town and I am currently interviewing for bigger jobs because I don't want to spend my entire life there. Have fun at the wedding.   Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:21 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Wedding Saturday evening.     On 6/4/03 4:41 PM, "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> wrote:   > I desperately wish I could go, but I have to play a wedding myslef that > night.   Where on earth is Norwich? ('scuse my ignorance.)   > This couple hasn't even bothered to call me to set up music. They > just told me to play "traditional music." That means I don't have to = play > all the usual things that I am sick of hearing.   Rejoice! The programmme is up to YOU. THEY left it that way. KEEP it = that way. ("Well, ma'am, there's 'your' tradition, and the church' tradition; you didn't say which. Not knowing you or yours, I've gone with the church's, which I DO know. That's why I have this job.")   > I just hope they don't change there mind at the rehearsal.   "I'm sorry, ma'am. Too late for that."   > Anyways, this couple has been a pain in > the butt and I would much rather go to Lee and Kieth's wedding. I hope you > all have a great time and wish I could be with you.   We, too, wish you could be here for it! > Andrew: You are really the reason why I posted to the list. Lee = mentioned your name this afternoon. Hoping you could make it. I will, of course, convey your regrets and best wishes to the bridal couple!   Alan     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Roger-Ducasse moment From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:15:47 +0100 (BST)   Hello Andres,   I have major computer problems.......   I have not got the music with me as I use a friend's computer, but I will get back to you when I have the music with me.   Many thanks for your "history" which was quite fascinating.....so much Cavaille Coll experience outside France!   Regards,   Colin     --- Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote: > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > > Colin Mtchell wrote: > > > The there is that "moment" in the Pastorale   > > Colin: In which measure of this wonderful work is > that "moment" you refer > to?- Sorry to put you on counting measures yet, but > I am really intrigued... >   __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html  
(back) Subject: Re: unions From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:20:41 -0700   Breakaway "continuing" Anglican ... we share with the Episcopal Church this thing called "The Rector's Pleasure" canon, which gives the priest SOLE authority to hire and fire ANYONE at will. It dates from the time in England when clergy were mostly second sons of nobility who wouldn't inherit ... they had the choices of law, medicine, the military, or the clergy as "gentlemen" ... most organists were commoners ... "Rector's Pleasure" was part of the "order of things" in the very rigid caste system in Britain at the time. Efforts to repeal it have failed, both in our churches and the Episcopal Church.   That said, courts in California generally take a dim view when canon law conflicts with State and Federal law. I have contacted a lawyer who specializes in employment cases. We'll see what happens.   Cheers,   Bud   andrew meagher wrote: > Bud, > > You would also have a very strong wrongful termination case. That is > definitely not an acceptable reason to fire someone. What denomination = are > you in? Not all denominations give the pastor the power to fire people > without getting the appoval of a committee. Best wishes for your = recovery > and be sure to stick it to them both legally and through AGO if they = fire > you. > > Andrew Meagher > First Congregational Church > Norwich, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > quilisma@socal.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:15 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: unions > > > Um, Andrew ... a couple of questions: is your wife the chief wage-earner > in your household? Are you dependent upon her income? > > I have a family of four; we're all disabled to one degree or another. I > am the sole bread-winner; they are totally dependent upon my income to > keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. > > Currently, my rector is trying to fire me for being disabled myself > (congestive heart failure), rather than spend the money to make the > choir loft handicapped-accessible. > > Yes, if it comes to pass, I think I will have a strong legal case, and I > WILL pursue it; BUT ... in the meantime, we will lose our home and be on > the street, unless someone takes us in. We are never more than one > paycheck away from homeless at BEST. > > Against THAT background, "union" sounds pretty good to ME. I've served > the church faithfully for 49 years; I think I deserve better, but I'm > not going to GET it unless and until a few more organists stand up on > their hind legs and say, "ENOUGH!" > > Bud > > Andrew Mead wrote: > >>Paul: Perhaps when I actually see my wife or other organists being = treated >>poorly by their employers I'll hop on the union wagon-but from my = vantage >>point things just aren't that bad. In fact in our case (my wife's), it's >>wonderful. We respect our employers and try to do more than asked and = they >>respect us and in turn give us more than we think we deserve. >> >>Andrew Mead >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >>Emmons, Paul >>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 PM >>To: 'PipeChat' >>Subject: RE: Opinions welcomed >> >>Andrew Mead writes: >> >> >> >>>I would not like to see organists "organize" and form trade unions. = There >> >>would be some short term benefits, but the end would be very bad. >> >>How and why would it be very bad? >> >> >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: RE: the AGO From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:22:21 -0400   Jim,   Yes, I played for Todd and he was great.   Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Jim Clouser Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:55 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: the AGO     Andrew,   Yup, Todd's my teacher here. He's a great guy and an unbelievably awesome organist. Where did he do a master class at last month? Did you play for him? You're right about hymn playing. Once you develope good part = playing skills, being inventive is such a challenge. I just got started on improv this year. The first thing that Todd told me to do was to get myself to = be able to count measures while I play. Right from the get go it's hard.   Jim C     ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: RE: the AGO     > Jim, > > Do you study with Todd Wilson? I had a masterclass with him last month and > he is an excellent teacher. Hymn playing, in my opinion is only basic = if > you play them straight. Once you get into hymn impovisation like in = Gerre > Hancock's book, it is far from basic. When I was a master's student in > organ at Bowling GReen State University, my teacher spent lots of time with > me on hymn improv and it will be years before I come close to mastering it. > I also agree that AGO is helpful. Like you, I have met many great = people > and organists through AGO(it was through AGO that I got the masterclass with > Todd) and had many great opportunities taht I would not have otherwise had. > > Andrew Meagher > First Congregational Church > Norwich, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jim Clouser > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:19 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: the AGO > > > Bud, > > I'm sorry that you don't feel that the AGO isn't worth the time. > > > Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need > > workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, > > repertoire, etc. > > I personally don't consider hymn-playing a basic. I haven't met a lot = of > church organists (even "professionals" with bachelors and masters = degrees, > amazingly) that can play hymns at a top drawer level. Hymn playing is = all > too often overlooked I think. Even if you have mastered the technical > issues of service playing (I celebrate that day like I do my birthday!), > workshops are good for fresh ideas. All too often, I find myself doing the > same old stuff over and over again! I have to force myself to analyze = my > service playing every once in a while, or else worship becomes tedious = and > boring. > > As a serious conservatory student, I have felt taken care of by the = Guild > via: scholarship support, a free ride and performance at the 2003 Convention > (this year, having been selected to compete in the finals of the Region = V > competition), and opportunies to meet and have dinner with Frederick Swann, > amongst other top concert artists (all in this past year, my first year = of > conservatory). I would not have the contacts nor opportunities that I have > and have had without the Guild. > > All in all, my experience with the AGO has been excellent. I hope that = I > didn't step on anyone's toes (I sincerely didn't mean to if I did). > > Jim Clouser > Cleveland Institute of Music > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:09 PM > Subject: the AGO > > > > Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > > > I must respectfully object... > > > > > > Unions, which is essentially what the AGO is, were created to = protect > > > the small people. > > > > > > The American Guild of Organists is NOT a union. > > > > > > Neil Brown > > > > Bud here -- > > > > More's the pity ... though they have become MUCH more aggressive with > > job actions in the last few years. Sadly, almost ALL the current job > > actions are against Episcopal churches. > > > > Here's the problem: professional church musicians (a minority of the > > Guild membership) need different things than part-time amateur = musicians > > ... nothing against amateur musicians, mind you. > > > > Britain solved it by having two organists' organizations ... the Royal > > College of Organists for professionals, admission by examination (as = the > > Guild was in the beginning), and an organization for amateur organists > > (I forget the name right now), open to all. > > > > As a full-time professional church musician, I need such things as > > collective bargaining for health benefits, pension, job security, = etc., > > and action on pending denominational legislation ... in our case, the > > repeal of the "Rector's Pleasure" canon. Benefits could either be > > negotiated through the denomination, the parish, or the Guild itself = as > > the insurer. > > > > Amateur organists and pianists pressed into service as organists need > > workshops in the basics: pedals, hymn-playing, choral conducting, > > repertoire, etc. > > > > MOST Guild programs are geared to the amateur, and that's fine ... but = I > > don't need workshops in the basics (grin). > > > > I'd be interested in master classes on Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique, > > for instance, or possibly a presentation on the "new" Solesmes = rhythmic > > interpretation of the Chant, or a series of master-classes using = Dupre's > > Improvisation Method as a text. None of those things would interest = the > > amateur organist. > > > > I'm not a snob; just that my needs are different, and there's really = no > > place else to get them met. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/2003 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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(back) Subject: Re: Roger-Ducasse moment From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:23:18 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Yes....I "think" that is the bit to which I refer.   No music to hand as I use a friend's computer, but F# to C# sounds about right.   I hate computers!   My own is terminally ill, it just uses electricity and sits there brooding, refusing to do anything other than inform me that the XP windows cannot boot up and I "may" have a) A virus b) A wrongly set-up BIOS c) "Other" problems   This is a GREAT help as you may well imagine.   It suggests I try "safe" mode, which I would if it booted up in the first place.   I have a very heavy lump hammer........   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > > i asked him the same question, but haven't gotten a > response yet. he IS on > london time, though... in the meantime i'll venture > a guess that he's talking > about the part that's building toward the "storm" > where the theme is present > against itself 4 times in augmentation/diminution (i > think it's in F-sharp in > the first two measures, then changes to the dominant > of C-sharp). a few notes > have to be written up an octave, unless you have > franckian hands.     __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html  
(back) Subject: manual 32s From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:26:32 -0400   can someone tell me the reason behind having a 32' stop on a manual? i've = never ever had a need for one, nor have i ever seen a score that calls for = one.  
(back) Subject: Re: manual 32s From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:32:58 -0700   Basically so you can have 16' tone in the manuals when you're playing French toccatas up in the top of the keyboard.   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > can someone tell me the reason behind having a 32' stop on a manual? = i've never ever had a need for one, nor have i ever seen a score that = calls for one. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: manual 32s From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:32:50 -0400   In a message dated 6/5/2003 9:32:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > Basically so you can have 16' tone in the manuals when > you're playing > French toccatas up in the top of the keyboard.   wouldn't you have a 32' pitch at the top of the keyboard?  
(back) Subject: Re: manual 32s From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:06:57 -0700   OK, lemme try again (grin) ... you have 16-8-4-Mixture-16-8-4 reeds drawn on the Great; when you play UP an OCTAVE ("in the top of the keyboard"), the RESULT is 8-4-2-Mixture-8-4-2 reeds. So ... when you add a 32' stop and play it UP an octave, the result is 16-8-4-2-Mixture-8-4-2 reeds.   Borrowing a 32' stop from the pedals to the manuals is one solution; another is to provide the all-important Grand Orgue Octaves Graves coupler (Gt to Gt 16') which is virtually ESSENTIAL for playing French romantic music, ESPECIALLY on manual-16-starved American organs.   Look at even a MEDIUM-sized Cavaille-Coll, and you will OFTEN see:   Grand Orgue   16' Montre 16' Violone 16' Bourdon   AND the Octaves Graves coupler. That's so when you're up in the stratosphere (which would make those stops play in the 8' range), you would STILL have a solid foundation when you added the Octaves Graves.   Cheers,   Bud   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Basically so you can have 16' tone in the manuals when you're playing > French toccatas up in the top of the keyboard. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > >> can someone tell me the reason behind having a 32' stop on a manual? >> i've never ever had a need for one, nor have i ever seen a score that >> calls for one. >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Opinions welcomed... (Long posting) From: "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:28:44 -0500   On 6/3/03 7:32 PM, "ProOrgo53@aol.com" <ProOrgo53@aol.com> wrote:   > The chosen sanctuary has less than > 1 minute when empty! > > > That's better than many/most Cathedrals!!   Gentle ListFolk:   My apologies. I read and re-read my posting before I sent it, and missed that typo completely.   Of course, it should be "less than 1 second when empty!"   Of course, 1 second IS less than 1 minute...   CHEERS! Blair...   _________________________________________ "An optimist is a man who, instead of feeling sorry he cannot pay his = bills, is glad he is not one of his creditors."