PipeChat Digest #3743 - Wednesday, June 11, 2003
 
Re: wedding fee question
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding fee question
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Psalm 23 setting
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
worcester
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: wedding fee question
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding fee question
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding fee question
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:34:47 -0400   Margo,   Does the following from your posting indicate that they are not paying the choir director to play the piano? "This seems to be the method the people in my church are using to avoid paying the organist - they just don't use the organ." Presuming they are indeed paying the choir director, they have not avoided payment at all. What's going on here? Is the choir director actively trolling around looking for added income that would normally be yours? Not nice!   Good Luck,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: wedding fee question     > I have an odd wedding problem - and I want to address it with the group > that gets together once a year to set/change wedding policies. > We do not have a bench fee. I have tried to get them to understand the > organist having right of first refusal - but what I have managed to get > them to do is to put me in automatically as the organist for all > weddings. But, what has happened for many weddings in the last few > years is that they decide they will use piano instead of organ and they > hire whoever they want (99% of the time, the choir director) - note: I > am perfectly capable of playing the piano as well as the organ and do so > every Sunday. And the problem grows every year. The result is = twofold: > 1) I am only playing for TWO weddings the entire 2003 calendar year. > What was once over 10% of my total income from the church is now dinner > at McDonalds. > 2) I have weddings on my calendar that I don't know I'm not playing for > until 1-2 weeks before the wedding - by which time I have set aside that > weekend for the entire 6 month contract period requirement. (There is > a wedding next weekend that I cut a vacation short for - only to learn > today that the choir diirector is playing piano, not me - too late to > get the extra 2 days back) > > Have any of you experienced this? The "bench fee" requirements that I > have seen make no mention of what happens if the couple does not use > organ at all. This seems to be the method the people in my church are > using to avoid paying the organist - they just don't use the organ. > Anyone have any suggested work-arounds - or any suggestions of how to > approach this problem, since the primary person who is playing for all > these weddings instead of me is the church choir director. > > I think I'm between a rock and a hard place. I would just tell them to > take me out of wedding all together and tell him he can play for them > all - but the lost income is really hurting. > > And I have the same situation with funerals - I now play for only a few > funerals a year, whereas I use to play for every fuineral that was held > in the church sanctuary and most of our members funerals at funeral > homes. I think most of it is because I have a day job (which I can > leave to play for a funeral 99% of the time) - but he is there during > the day - so they just give all the funerals to him rather than even > asking if I'm available. > > Ideas? > Margo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:59:30 -0500     --------------060008050206070001000206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Yes he is getting paid - but I don't know what his fee is. The church sets my fee (I do get to have input into the amount) - but everyone else who plays sets their own and has to do their own collecting. So I don't know if he gets more or less. As I said, we have no bench fee - the church rule is simply that if they use the organ, I am the only organist they can hire. The church collects the organ fee along with the rest of the wedding fees and then they pay me - so I don't have to worry about collecting direct (they do the same for the church wedding manager and janitor) The difference is - they can bring in all the outside people they like, they have no choice but to use the church wedding manager and janitor. If they hire other musicians, they simply don't pay the church the organist's fee - the only catch is, they cannot turn the organ on. Then the only catch to me is, if they want organ and I can't play, I have to find my own substitute or I am stuck. This system worked fine until we changed from a choir director who could not play keyboard to one who is a quite competent pianist. And now my "protection" for getting the wedding and funeral fees only works if they want organ specifically. An unforeseen loophole, I'm afraid. But I don't know how to go about closing it. The senior minister has always wanted to be in line with AGO standards as much as possible - so there might be some possibility of pitching a bench fee from that perspective. But I don't know enough about how bench fees work to know how to advocate for one.   Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   >Margo, > >Does the following from your posting indicate that they are not paying = the >choir director to play the piano? "This seems to be the method the = people >in my church are using to avoid paying the organist - they just don't use >the organ." Presuming they are indeed paying the choir director, they = have >not avoided payment at all. What's going on here? Is the choir director >actively trolling around looking for added income that would normally be >yours? Not nice! > >Good Luck, > >Malcolm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> >To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:11 PM >Subject: wedding fee question > > > > >>I have an odd wedding problem - and I want to address it with the group >>that gets together once a year to set/change wedding policies. >>We do not have a bench fee. I have tried to get them to understand the >>organist having right of first refusal - but what I have managed to get >>them to do is to put me in automatically as the organist for all >>weddings. But, what has happened for many weddings in the last few >>years is that they decide they will use piano instead of organ and they >>hire whoever they want (99% of the time, the choir director) - note: I >>am perfectly capable of playing the piano as well as the organ and do so >>every Sunday. And the problem grows every year. The result is = twofold: >>1) I am only playing for TWO weddings the entire 2003 calendar year. >> What was once over 10% of my total income from the church is now dinner >>at McDonalds. >>2) I have weddings on my calendar that I don't know I'm not playing for >>until 1-2 weeks before the wedding - by which time I have set aside that >>weekend for the entire 6 month contract period requirement. (There is >>a wedding next weekend that I cut a vacation short for - only to learn >>today that the choir diirector is playing piano, not me - too late to >>get the extra 2 days back) >> >>Have any of you experienced this? The "bench fee" requirements that I >>have seen make no mention of what happens if the couple does not use >>organ at all. This seems to be the method the people in my church are >>using to avoid paying the organist - they just don't use the organ. >> Anyone have any suggested work-arounds - or any suggestions of how to >>approach this problem, since the primary person who is playing for all >>these weddings instead of me is the church choir director. >> >>I think I'm between a rock and a hard place. I would just tell them to >>take me out of wedding all together and tell him he can play for them >>all - but the lost income is really hurting. >> >>And I have the same situation with funerals - I now play for only a few >>funerals a year, whereas I use to play for every fuineral that was held >>in the church sanctuary and most of our members funerals at funeral >>homes. I think most of it is because I have a day job (which I can >>leave to play for a funeral 99% of the time) - but he is there during >>the day - so they just give all the funerals to him rather than even >>asking if I'm available. >> >>Ideas? >>Margo >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> >> > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >     --------------060008050206070001000206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" = content=3D"text/html;charset=3DISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> Yes he is getting paid - but I don't know what his fee is. &nbsp;The = church sets my fee (I do get to have input into the amount) - but everyone else who = plays sets their own and has to do their own collecting. &nbsp;So I don't know = if he gets more or less. &nbsp;<br> As I said, we have no bench fee - the church rule is simply that if they use the organ, I am the only organist they can hire. &nbsp;The church = collects the organ fee along with the rest of the wedding fees and then they pay me - so I don't have to worry about collecting direct (they do the same for the church wedding manager and janitor) &nbsp;The difference is - they can = bring in all the outside people they like, they have no choice but to use the = church wedding manager and janitor. &nbsp;If they hire other musicians, they = simply don't pay the church the organist's fee - the only catch is, they cannot turn = the organ on. &nbsp;Then the only catch to me is, if they want organ and I = can't play, I have to find my own substitute or I am stuck. &nbsp;<br> This system worked fine until we changed from a choir director who could not play keyboard to one who is a quite competent pianist. &nbsp;And now = my "protection" for getting the wedding and funeral fees only works if they want organ = specifically. &nbsp;An unforeseen loophole, I'm afraid. &nbsp;But I don't know how to go = about closing it. &nbsp;The senior minister has always wanted to be in line with AGO = standards as much as possible - so there might be some possibility of pitching a = bench fee from that perspective. &nbsp;But I don't know enough about how bench = fees work to know how to advocate for one.<br> <br> Malcolm Wechsler wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid034c01c3303f$c15e1ff0$6501a8c0@malcolm5663o0p"> <pre wrap=3D"">Margo,   Does the following from your posting indicate that they are not paying the choir director to play the piano? "This seems to be the method the people in my church are using to avoid paying the organist - they just don't use the organ." Presuming they are indeed paying the choir director, they have not avoided payment at all. What's going on here? Is the choir director actively trolling around looking for added income that would normally be yours? Not nice!   Good Luck,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Dillard" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:dillardm@airmail.net">&lt;dillardm@airmail.net&gt;</a> To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">&lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;</a> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: wedding fee question     </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">I have an odd wedding problem - and I want to address = it with the group that gets together once a year to set/change wedding policies. We do not have a bench fee. I have tried to get them to understand the organist having right of first refusal - but what I have managed to get them to do is to put me in automatically as the organist for all weddings. But, what has happened for many weddings in the last few years is that they decide they will use piano instead of organ and they hire whoever they want (99% of the time, the choir director) - note: I am perfectly capable of playing the piano as well as the organ and do so every Sunday. And the problem grows every year. The result is twofold: 1) I am only playing for TWO weddings the entire 2003 calendar year. What was once over 10% of my total income from the church is now dinner at McDonalds. 2) I have weddings on my calendar that I don't know I'm not playing for until 1-2 weeks before the wedding - by which time I have set aside that weekend for the entire 6 month contract period requirement. (There is a wedding next weekend that I cut a vacation short for - only to learn today that the choir diirector is playing piano, not me - too late to get the extra 2 days back)   Have any of you experienced this? The "bench fee" requirements that I have seen make no mention of what happens if the couple does not use organ at all. This seems to be the method the people in my church are using to avoid paying the organist - they just don't use the organ. Anyone have any suggested work-arounds - or any suggestions of how to approach this problem, since the primary person who is playing for all these weddings instead of me is the church choir director.   I think I'm between a rock and a hard place. I would just tell them to take me out of wedding all together and tell him he can play for them all - but the lost income is really hurting.   And I have the same situation with funerals - I now play for only a few funerals a year, whereas I use to play for every fuineral that was held in the church sanctuary and most of our members funerals at funeral homes. I think most of it is because I have a day job (which I can leave to play for a funeral 99% of the time) - but he is there during the day - so they just give all the funerals to him rather than even asking if I'm available.   Ideas? Margo     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.pipechat.org">http://www.pipechat.org</a> List: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org</a> Administration: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:admin@pipechat.org">mailto:admin@pipechat.org</a> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org">mailto:requests@pipechat.org</a>     </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D""><!---->     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" 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(back) Subject: Re: Psalm 23 setting From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:07:35 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_007D_01C33022.CF1E5A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Victoria, If possible, please also send me a copy of this music. Sincerely, Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Myosotis51@aol.com=3D20 To: reesings@earthlink.net ; pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: RE: Psalm 23 setting     Dear Mr. Erickson,   At Pat Maimone's request, I'm responding to your query about dual =3D settings of the same text.   There is a lovely setting of Psalm 23 in various old hymnals, in which = =3D the ALTO line has the melody. It was composed by Thomas Koschat =3D (1845-1914) so I'm sure it's in the public domain. It's not =3D particularly difficult, and the harmonies are beautiful. If you'd like = =3D a .pdf of this, let me know.   Victoria=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_007D_01C33022.CF1E5A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear Victoria,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If possible, = =3D please also=3D20 send me a copy of this music.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Sincerely,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DMyosotis51@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Myosotis51@aol.com">Myosotis51@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dreesings@earthlink.net=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:reesings@earthlink.net">reesings@earthlink.net</A> ; <A = =3D   title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 = =3D 12:30=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Psalm 23 =3D setting</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3D"Berlin Sans FB"=3D20 color=3D3D#0000a0 size=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Dear Mr. =3D Erickson,<BR><BR>At Pat=3D20 Maimone's request, I'm responding to your query about dual settings of = =3D the=3D20 same text.<BR><BR>There is a lovely setting of Psalm 23 in various old = =3D   hymnals, in which the ALTO line has the melody.&nbsp; It was composed = =3D by=3D20 Thomas Koschat (1845-1914) so I'm sure it's in the public =3D domain.&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 It's not particularly difficult, and the harmonies are =3D beautiful.&nbsp; If=3D20 you'd like a .pdf of this, let me know.<BR><BR>Victoria</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_007D_01C33022.CF1E5A00--    
(back) Subject: worcester From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:17:08 -0500   Different tune than Worcester, Alan. I found that one, too--the LBW was one of the stack I looked through! As you probably know by now, I have located the one I was looking for. Thanks!   Dennis Steckley _________________   "This may or may not be the right one for you. The Lutheran Book of Worship uses that text to a tune IT calls HERR, ICH HABE MISBEHANDELT. That text and tune are familiar to me for several generations of Lutheran hymnals (at least 50 years), and thus, I suspect, work together in several of them (SBH, TLH, etc.). The tune is Johann Cr=FCger."          
(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:24:20 -0400   On 6/11/03 1:27 PM, "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> wrote:   > I think that is part of the perceptual problem - the choir director is > also the pianist for the praise team - so one out of three services > every Sunday sees him on the piano bench. > Ah! I see. So if the wedding wants a praise team, it's that person's = job. He's "pianist for the praise team." Period. I don't know what a praise team is, so cannot grasp the picture with any accuracy. (Well, I think I know what a praise team is by MY definition, but I doubt that that's what you mean. To me, it's pastor, deacon, cantor, instrumentalist(s), = choir(s), etc. I've never seen the other kind anywhere.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:36:06 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3138186967_9688677 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 6/11/03 1:59 PM, "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> wrote:   > As I said, we have no bench fee - the church rule is simply that if they = =3D use > the organ, I am the only organist they can hire.   I think that=3DB9s the nub. They have an option to use the organ or not. = They shouldn=3DB9t be hiring the instrument, but the player thereof. The = instrument collects no fee.   Their choice should be instrumentalist or not. You=3DB9ll play anything = you CAN, so long as it=3DB9s there. Tambourine? Harpsichord? Etc. = That=3DB9s what you ARE: a =3DB3player.=3DB2 The other guy is =3DB3pianist for the = praise team.=3DB2 Fine. When there=3DB9s a praise team, it=3DB9s his job. And may he = prosper! And if they want some instrumental music that you and the congregation are = able to provide, it=3DB9s YOUR job. And may YOU prosper! If they want both, = you both work, and may you BOTH prosper!   Alan   --B_3138186967_9688677 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: wedding fee question</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 6/11/03 1:59 PM, &quot;Margo = Dillard&quot; =3D &lt;dillardm@airmail.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4">As = I said, w=3D e have no bench fee - the church rule is simply that if they use the = organ, =3D I am the only organist they can hire. &nbsp;<BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> I think that&#8217;s the nub. &nbsp;They have an option to use the organ = or=3D not. &nbsp;They shouldn&#8217;t be hiring the instrument, but the player = th=3D ereof. &nbsp;The instrument collects no fee.<BR> <BR> Their choice should be instrumentalist or not. &nbsp;You&#8217;ll play = anyt=3D hing you CAN, so long as it&#8217;s there. &nbsp;Tambourine? = &nbsp;Harpsicho=3D rd? &nbsp;Etc. &nbsp;That&#8217;s what you ARE: &nbsp;a = &#8220;player.&#8221=3D ; &nbsp;The other guy is &#8220;pianist for the praise team.&#8221; = &nbsp;Fi=3D ne. &nbsp;When there&#8217;s a praise team, it&#8217;s his job. &nbsp;And = ma=3D y he prosper! &nbsp;And if they want some instrumental music that you and = th=3D e congregation are able to provide, it&#8217;s YOUR job. &nbsp;And may YOU = p=3D rosper! &nbsp;If they want both, you both work, and may you BOTH = prosper!<BR=3D > <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3138186967_9688677--    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:39:08 -0500     --------------010604050400060404050802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Praise team is the bunch of guitars, drummer, piano, and singers w/microphones that play for the middle "Praise" service - AKA Praze Band - AKA happy clappy service. But the weddings aren't using the praise team - they are using piano - playing traditional wedding music - but not using the primary church organist/pianist - that being moi. And most of the funerals are using totally traditional music - just using organ instead of piano. In fact, he seems to play all the funerals now unless the family specifically requests ORGAN when they talk to the ministers about the funeral. Occasionally we do have a funeral with Praze Band - but never a wedding that I know of.   Alan Freed wrote:   >On 6/11/03 1:27 PM, "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> wrote: > > > >>I think that is part of the perceptual problem - the choir director is >>also the pianist for the praise team - so one out of three services >>every Sunday sees him on the piano bench. >> >> >> >Ah! I see. So if the wedding wants a praise team, it's that person's = job. >He's "pianist for the praise team." Period. I don't know what a praise >team is, so cannot grasp the picture with any accuracy. (Well, I think I >know what a praise team is by MY definition, but I doubt that that's what >you mean. To me, it's pastor, deacon, cantor, instrumentalist(s), = choir(s), >etc. I've never seen the other kind anywhere.) > >Alan > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >     --------------010604050400060404050802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" = content=3D"text/html;charset=3DISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> Praise team is the bunch of guitars, drummer, piano, and singers = w/microphones that play for the middle "Praise" service - AKA Praze Band - AKA happy = clappy service. &nbsp;But the weddings aren't using the praise team - they are = using piano - playing traditional wedding music - but not using the primary = church organist/pianist - that being moi. &nbsp;And most of the funerals are = using totally traditional music - just using organ instead of piano. &nbsp;In fact, he = seems to play all the funerals now unless the family specifically requests ORGAN when they talk to the ministers about the funeral. &nbsp;Occasionally we = do have a funeral with Praze Band - but never a wedding that I know of.<br> <br> Alan Freed wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"midBB0CEC14.9941%25acfreed0904@earthlink.net"> <pre wrap=3D"">On 6/11/03 1:27 PM, "Margo Dillard" <a = class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:dillardm@airmail.net">&lt;dillardm@airmail.net&gt;</a> = wrote:   </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">I think that is part of the perceptual problem - the = choir director is also the pianist for the praise team - so one out of three services every Sunday sees him on the piano bench.   </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D""><!---->Ah! I see. So if the wedding wants a praise = team, it's that person's job. He's "pianist for the praise team." Period. I don't know what a praise team is, so cannot grasp the picture with any accuracy. (Well, I think I know what a praise team is by MY definition, but I doubt that that's what you mean. To me, it's pastor, deacon, cantor, instrumentalist(s), = choir(s), etc. I've never seen the other kind anywhere.)   Alan     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.pipechat.org">http://www.pipechat.org</a> List: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org</a> Administration: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:admin@pipechat.org">mailto:admin@pipechat.org</a> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org">mailto:requests@pipechat.org</a>     </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>   --------------010604050400060404050802--