PipeChat Digest #3748 - Friday, June 13, 2003
 
ENOUGH!  Re: Yet another musician bites the dust (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: message
  by "Mark Gustus" <MGustus@msn.com>
Re: Status of Brooklyn organ
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: ENOUGH! Re: Yet another musician bites the dust (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:19:22 EDT     --part1_19e.160c1e77.2c1a8eaa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I am crossing bulletin board lines here as this was originally posted to = the Anglican Musicians list, but it runs in parallel to recent topics on other =   lists as well, and contains some very serious areas that all professional = church musicians should seriously consider. Preston's words struck a chord in = me that made me realize that I have something to say on this. Its been quite =   awhile since I contributed my opinion on something to the degree that I do = below (yes, I proofread my own words several times before sending), but it has = gotten to the point that I do wish to say something in support of the musicians = who have been steadily losing their jobs in recent times at the hands of "holy =   people." -SF * * * * *   In a message dated 6/12/03 7:03:20 PM Central Daylight Time, = hpb@hotmail.com writes:   > This particular situation may have been resolved by the time y'all get > this, > but the mother of a good friend of mine was fired from her O/CM gig in = Paris > > (TX) last week. Their rector, who, I am told, has serious "anger = management > > issues" (he is reported to have once hurled a folding chair across a = room at > > his deacon), apparently snuck the dismissal into the notes at the end of = a > vestry meeting.   That's because too many rectors are insane and shouldn't be in the = ministry to begin with. That seems to be happening quite a bit in Texas, it seems. = Trust me, I have recent first hand experience of my own in that regard, as = do many of us on these lists. And it's a damn sad thing for our profession = to see this happening with the frequency it is. Now, these statements do not = apply to every rector or senior pastor, of course, by any means.   How many little black boxes are currently drawn around church listings in = the back of TAO these days? The number certainly does seem to be growing and = a couple of those churches have had the little black box around them for two = or three years now.   Any word on Donald Pearson in Denver? A fine musician and indeed a fine, lengthy legacy of exemplary music making and liturgy. There's another = example of "Rector's pleasure" right there. I wonder how they'd feel if the = "pleasure" were on the other foot (so to speak) and THEY (the rector/pastor) were = getting the boot. Some of these "clergy" just chew people up and spit them out = again on a whim, thereby ruining reputations, incomes, careers and, in some = cases, pensions in the process while they come out in the end completely = unscathed and smelling like a rose. And WHY is it allowed to continue? Now, that = is NOT to say that the musicians in question are completely without fault, but = the clergy must be held accountable at times as well. It is NOT ALWAYS the musician's fault despite the large number of clergy would try to make that = seem the case.   When do MOST of the clashes occur? I dare say that the clashes occur when =   the rector or senior pastor feels that they know more about music than the =   professional musician that THEY hired to perform the job of parish = musician. When the clergy sees that the musician is not a "yes man" and just may have a = mind of his own, it's at that point that the fragile little clerical ego gets bruised and proceedings are begun to oust the unknowing musician who is = trying to make a living by doing what he was trained to do and has devoted his life = to for so many years. I worked for one individual that wore a collar that = knew more than I or my assistant about organ playing, registration, hymn tempi, = choral training, rehearsal techniques, pianos, pipe organs, organ voicing, organ regulation, organ tuning, organ circuitry, organ winding, hymnals, solos, = vocal pedagogy, conducting (instrumental and choral) and and and. (Get the = picture?) Impossible situation all the way around. Not difficult, IMPOSSIBLE, and = it will more than likely never change while the parish is under said administration no matter who holds the title of "Director of Music." = Trust me- sadly, their position is in title only.   I must also state my opinion of the recent thread on wedding fees and = church councils and clergy setting the musicians' fees for such. I would never accept a job where it was even suggested that clergy or a council or other =   committee would set my fees. That happened in one interview, I didn't = accept the job and moved on. I am the one doing the playing, I am the one doing the preparation with the bridal couple or, in the case of a funeral, the = family. And while a funeral is a completely different area than a wedding, there is = still preparation and professional time given by the musician in providing music = for the services. The keys to that as well as all employment terms are:   1. realistic, honest and open communication during the interview/hiring process 2. a WRITTEN contract and job description mutually agreed upon BEFORE = signing   It should go without saying that a musician who has been interviewed, auditioned, offered a position and agreed upon the terms of that = employment with the clergy and/or church business administration, should not play one note or = give one downbeat until the contract and ALL of the job duties and responsibilities are finalized, written out, agreed upon and THEN signed = by BOTH parties. I cannot stress this enough.   But regarding the alarming number of church musicians getting booted in = very recent months, it really makes one wonder what is happening in our = profession, not to mention the Christian Church, doesn't it? Christian? Perhaps that =   term right there should come under close scrutiny as well in regard to the =   hiring and staffing practices of some religious institutions.   Signed (in bold and italics):   Scott F. Foppiano, Memphis, TN Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.   --part1_19e.160c1e77.2c1a8eaa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">I am crossing bulletin board lines here as this = was or=3D iginally posted to the Anglican Musicians list, but it runs in parallel to = r=3D ecent topics on other lists as well, and contains some very serious areas = th=3D at all professional church musicians should seriously = consider.&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20=3D Preston's words struck a chord in me that made me realize that I have = someth=3D ing to say on this.&nbsp; Its been quite awhile since I contributed my = opini=3D on on something to the degree that I do below (yes, I proofread my own = words=3D several times before sending), but it has gotten to the point that I do = wis=3D h to say something in support of the musicians who have been steadily = losing=3D their jobs in recent times at the hands of "holy people."&nbsp; -SF<BR> &nbsp; <BR> *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *<BR> <BR> In a message dated 6/12/03 7:03:20 PM Central Daylight Time, = hpb@hotmail.com=3D writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This particular situation may = h=3D ave been resolved by the time y'all get this, <BR> but the mother of a good friend of mine was fired from her O/CM gig in = Paris=3D <BR> (TX) last week.&nbsp; Their rector, who, I am told, has serious "anger = manag=3D ement <BR> issues" (he is reported to have once hurled a folding chair across a room = at=3D <BR> his deacon), apparently snuck the dismissal into the notes at the end of a = <=3D BR> vestry meeting.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> That's because too many rectors are insane and shouldn't be in the = ministry=3D20=3D to begin with.&nbsp; That seems to be happening quite a bit in Texas, it = see=3D ms.&nbsp; Trust me, I have recent first hand experience of my own in that = re=3D gard, as do many of us on these lists.&nbsp; And it's a damn sad thing for = o=3D ur profession to see this happening with the frequency it is.&nbsp; Now, = the=3D se statements do not apply to every rector or senior pastor, of course, by a=3D ny means.<BR> <BR> How many little black boxes are currently drawn around church listings in = th=3D e back of TAO these days?&nbsp; The number certainly does seem to be = growing=3D and a couple of those churches have had the little black box around them = fo=3D r two or three years now.<BR> <BR> Any word on Donald Pearson in Denver?&nbsp; A fine musician and indeed a = fin=3D e, lengthy legacy of exemplary music making and liturgy.&nbsp; There's = anoth=3D er example of "Rector's pleasure" right there.&nbsp; I wonder how they'd = fee=3D l if the "pleasure" were on the other foot (so to speak) and THEY (the = recto=3D r/pastor) were getting the boot.&nbsp; Some of these "clergy" just chew = peop=3D le up and spit them out again on a whim, thereby ruining reputations, = income=3D s, careers and, in some cases, pensions in the process while they come out = i=3D n the end completely unscathed and smelling like a rose.&nbsp; And WHY is = it=3D allowed to continue?&nbsp; Now, that is NOT to say that the musicians in = qu=3D estion are completely without fault, but the clergy must be held = accountable=3D at times as well.&nbsp; It is NOT ALWAYS the musician's fault despite the = l=3D arge number of clergy would try to make that seem the case.<BR> <BR> When do MOST of the clashes occur?&nbsp; I dare say that the clashes occur = w=3D hen the rector or senior pastor feels that they know more about music than = t=3D he professional musician that THEY hired to perform the job of parish = musici=3D an.&nbsp; When the clergy sees that the musician is not a "yes man" and = just=3D may have a mind of his own, it's at that point that the fragile little = cler=3D ical ego gets bruised and proceedings are begun to oust the unknowing = musici=3D an who is trying to make a living by doing what he was trained to do and = has=3D devoted his life to for so many years.&nbsp; I worked for one individual = th=3D at wore a collar that knew more than I or my assistant about organ = playing,=3D20=3D registration, hymn tempi, choral training, rehearsal techniques, pianos, = pip=3D e organs, organ voicing, organ regulation, organ tuning, organ circuitry, = or=3D gan winding, hymnals, solos, vocal pedagogy, conducting (instrumental and = ch=3D oral) and and and.&nbsp; (Get the picture?)&nbsp; Impossible situation all = t=3D he way around.&nbsp; Not difficult, IMPOSSIBLE, and it will more than = likely=3D never change while the parish is under said administration no matter who = ho=3D lds the title of "Director of Music."&nbsp; Trust me- sadly, their = position=3D20=3D is in title only.<BR> <BR> I must also state my opinion of the recent thread on wedding fees and = church=3D councils and clergy setting the musicians' fees for such.&nbsp; I would = nev=3D er accept a job where it was even suggested that clergy or a council or = othe=3D r committee would set my fees.&nbsp;&nbsp; That happened in one interview, = I=3D didn't accept the job and moved on.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am the one doing the = play=3D ing, I am the one doing the preparation with the bridal couple or, in the = ca=3D se of a funeral, the family.&nbsp; And while a funeral is a completely = diffe=3D rent area than a wedding, there is still preparation and professional time = g=3D iven by the musician in providing music for the services.&nbsp; The keys = to=3D20=3D that as well as all employment terms are:<BR> <BR> 1. realistic, honest and open communication during the interview/hiring = proc=3D ess<BR> 2. a WRITTEN contract and job description mutually agreed upon BEFORE = signin=3D g<BR> <BR> It should go without saying that a musician who has been interviewed, = auditi=3D oned, offered a position and agreed upon the terms of that employment with = t=3D he clergy and/or church business administration, should not play one note = or=3D give one downbeat until the contract and ALL of the job duties and = responsi=3D bilities are finalized, written out, agreed upon and THEN signed by BOTH = par=3D ties.&nbsp; I cannot stress this enough.<BR> <BR> But regarding the alarming number of church musicians getting booted in = very=3D recent months, it really makes one wonder what is happening in our professi=3D on, not to mention the Christian Church, doesn't it?&nbsp; = Christian?&nbsp;=3D20=3D Perhaps that term right there should come under close scrutiny as well in = re=3D gard to the hiring and staffing practices of some religious = institutions.<BR=3D > <BR> Signed (in bold and italics):<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D4=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Monotype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>Scott F. = Foppiano=3D </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></B>,&nbsp; Memphis, = TN<BR> Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#00000=3D 0" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D3D"Mo=3D notype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_19e.160c1e77.2c1a8eaa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: message From: "Mark Gustus" <MGustus@msn.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:02:37 -0500   Hello, Pipechatters,   Along this same line, on the front page of yesterday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch this headline got my attention:   "ARCHDIOCESE CRITICIZES SOME ORGAN RETRIEVALS"   Not to worry, seems the problem's medical - not musical.   -Mark   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: message     > I got an Email today " Organ System Review Course" > For a moment I was unsure what list I was on. :) Just had to stop and laugh! > Amy- the vet > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Status of Brooklyn organ From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:26:58 -0500   Was this Polytech Prep. School in Brooklyn? If so, there was a 1962 = Moller, Opus 9685 there... three manuals, 33 ranks there. I have no idea if it is still there   Sand Lawn   ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>     > Does any one have any knowledge of the status, and specs of the organ at > Brooklyn Tech High School?