PipeChat Digest #3762 - Wednesday, June 18, 2003
 
Re: Piporg-I
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Scandinavian music recordings
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Piporg-I
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Authorization to post.
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Authorization to post.
  by <Thpallesco@aol.com>
Re: Authorization to post.
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Scandinavian music recordings
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding fee question
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: wedding fee question
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: The Glory of the Human Voice
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: The Glory of the Human Voice
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
New Organ Policy (Was: Wedding fee question)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Henry Willis II
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: The Glory of the Human Voice
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
PD organ: and another gem for your consideration...
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Piporg-I From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:54:07 -0700 (PDT)   I would ask the list to bear with me as I repeat what has already been said:   I too wrote one of the list owners, and in a day or two I too received an e-mail saying that I was approved...   Yes, Dave K. and Ben Chi, the list owners, are very happy to grant people the privilege of posting to piporg-l... Just submit the required information...   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat, organchat, anglican-music, and piporg-l list member... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Hi. > > I registered myself at Piporg-I two months ago and > I have not recieved the authorization for posting > messages yet !Thierry Pallesco >        
(back) Subject: Re: Scandinavian music recordings From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:28:05 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   I came across the most brilliant web-site which lists almost every known composer in the Eastern European states. Unfortunately, I lost details of the site.   However, some while ago, there was a thread about music from Czechoslovakia and I may be able to find it in the archives of pipechat.   I am very, very busy at the moment, but when I get a little time, I will explore.   I have ONE very fine recording of an old Scandanavian organ, but cannot recall whether it includes any scandavaian organ music.   Now....working from memory, wasn't the name of the man who made the great musical clocks Fr.Primitivus Niamiche? I seem to recall that he was Polish, and made possible the great Mozart clock pieces such as K608. Of course, I could be completely wrong......do we have any clock enthusiasts on board? Or anyone from Switzerland?   Of course, from Denmark.....there is always Buxtehude!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Josiah Armes wrote: > > > I am new to the list. Can anyone direct me to a > place where I can find > > > some recordings of Scandinavian and/or Polish > organ music? I have tried > > > the Organ Historical Society and found very > little.     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Piporg-I From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:11:05 EDT   I don't think they're Francophobic. Just remind them that you'd like to commence posting. Remember, they are headquartered in Albany. Does that = make them Albanian?   Neither list is better than the other, neither is more snobby nor more ignorant than the other. Everybody has the equal opportunity to get = accepted and then kicked off of each list.  
(back) Subject: Authorization to post. From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:20:39 -0500   Thpallesco@aol.com wrote: > Hi. > I registered myself at Piporg-I two months ago and I have > not recieved the authorization for posting messages yet ! > But I think at present it must be much difficult to recieve > the authorization when you are a french organist, and yet, > personally, I am also a composer. These are strange times > we're living in. Who said that Music was universal ?   It looks to me like you're authorized to post, Thierry, since your post appeared on the entire list!   Welcome! Good to have you amongst us!   Faithfully,   (Who's been listening to two CD's of his organ compositions for the past couple of months daily!) -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: Authorization to post. From: <Thpallesco@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:44:05 EDT     --part1_1ee.b308a61.2c208335_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thank you Richard, but I spoke about "Piporg-L" list and not about = "pipechat" list ! In fact, I think that Piporg-l had to forget me meanwhile !   Faithfully,   Thierry Pallesco   --part1_1ee.b308a61.2c208335_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"1">Thank you Richard, but I spoke about "Piporg-L" = list a=3D nd not about "pipechat" list ! In fact, I think that Piporg-l had to = forget=3D20=3D me meanwhile !<BR> <BR> Faithfully,<BR> <BR> Thierry Pallesco<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_1ee.b308a61.2c208335_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Authorization to post. From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:18:37 -0500   Thpallesco@aol.com wrote: > Thank you Richard, but I spoke about "Piporg-L" list and not > about "pipechat" list ! In fact, I think that Piporg-l had > to forget me meanwhile !   OOPS! I noticed that after I sent the posting off! Goes to show what happens before one has their morning COFF-AY!!   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: Scandinavian music recordings From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:19:32 -0400   On 6/17/03 7:28 AM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Of course, from Denmark.....there is always Buxtehude! > Well, perhaps. It's been argued for years. But as a Swede, I'd want = Sweden to have equal time in claiming him. One of the likely birthplaces cited = is in what is now Sweden, though I think Denmark claimed the acreage for a while at the time. But, admittedly, neither the time nor the place (even country!) of his birth is a sure thing. The family was a bit peripatetic.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:52:54 -0400   Dear Allen,   Went to meeting.   Asked about wedding in 2 weeks that I'm not playing for. Asked who = was going to be in charge of building that day. They all looked blank.   Advanced idea that if I'm going to be in forefront of multi-thousand dollar organ project, policy needs to be changed. They agreed----to my astonishment.   I'm typing, I'm typing!   Thank you for your encouragement! And thanks to the rest of you also.   Diane Straight <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,   On 6/12/03 2:59 PM, "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> wrote:   > I have a problem similar to Margo's. > > We do allow non-members to use the church for weddings. Some aren't = even of > the same denomination. Usually local people. Glad to see them get married > at all nowadays, and especially glad to see them get married in a = church.   Diane, I think your very wording gives away the store. And the church. = And some of your income. You "allow non-members to **USE** the church for weddings." Trust me, they'll DO just that (and you know that too). Different churches do things in different ways, and it's sure not for me = to tell YOUR church how to do it. But if I were asked, I'd suggest that the stance of the church would be, "We welcome non-members to request our ministry at any time, including weddings and funerals." Your little = leaflet about that availability will say: "Our pastor conducts the service. Our musician(s) provide music. All services are free ("no charge") for = members; for non-members, the use of the church is $250 (including wedding rehearsal); the services of the pastor is another $250. Our Musician is paid $250. And the janitor. . . . All fees are paid to the church (which reimburses the pastor, musician(s), and janitor), ten days before the proposed wedding." Etc., etc. Change the amounts according to local custom. (Those are the numbers for our church, but this is Manhattan.)   > There's one coming up in the next week or two. They asked the lady = from > a church in the next village to play organ. This happens a lot. She = has > been the music teacher in the school.   An organist is invited to touch your organ by YOU (and/or perhaps the pastor). Not by anybody else--ESPECIALLY non-members! (I could add, especially considering what you and hubby are putting into this = instrument, but even APART from that the position stands.) > > My husband and I just spent all day yesterday working with organ = service > to get that pipe organ tuned and some things working again, our one day off > a week. And we are involved in planning a major renovation of that > instrument. > I don't have a contract. And I haven't asked for any more money, = hoping > any funds would go to the organ project. > But most of the time, somebody else comes in and plays for a > wedding---and of course gets the money. There are only a few in a year, so > it's not a big deal, but it bugs me.   BECAUSE it is only a few a year, it IS a big deal. Quit backing down!   > And then there are the church funerals. There's one particular old > family undertaker business that most people go to, especially for a = church > funeral, and he has a woman who plays organ for him.   In HIS establishment, of COURSE! That's HIS place of business. But if = the funeral is in the church, then the job is YOURS. And he has no hand in = that decision whatsoany! Either you're the organist in that congregation or = you are NOT. Period!   > What really bothers me is that she was a leader of the group that left > this church and started another one, caused a terrible rift and a lot of > hurt feelings in town 30 yrs. ago. But she's here every time somebody dies, > happily playing this organ that I worked so hard to get patched together > again from neglect after she left.   That's a social awkwardness, but don't rely on that for the fact that you are right. Draft that contract, and discuss it with the pastor. When you and he/she agree, go to the local Board. Get it signed, and stick with = it.   > The Worship and Music committee is meeting next week. If I'm going = to > have the responsibility of a many thousand dollar renovation project, = it's > time for a change in policy.   Typing a draft of that contract?   > Not that I'm all that big on funerals, although I sure could use the > money. It's the principle of the thing.   No, it's the money. Don't be ashamed of that. Principle is on your side, so use it. But get your money.   > Wish I could talk as well as I can play. I hate committee meetings. > Too many people on a power trip---argue, argue, argue. > Guess that's what I'm doing too?   No. Quit putting yourself down! Stand up not only for yourself, but for your profession! > Alan     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: wedding fee question From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:43:25 -0400   On 6/17/03 2:52 PM, "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> wrote:   > They agreed----to my astonishment.   WONDERFUL! > > I'm typing, I'm typing!   Even MORE wonderful!   Alan (still basking in delight that both Gpa. Richard and B'Man Malcolm = so eloquently agreed with the advice you get last week)     >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Glory of the Human Voice From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:32:11 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   What I adored about Florence Foster Jenkins was her ability to attract like-minded people. She was a kind of diplomat for the vocally challenged.   In the recording I have, there is a man who sings in a dull monotone, and another who sounds as if he has hay-fever. (Cosmos Moon?)   However, the most brilliant twist has to be the spectacularly fine accompaniment, which serves to remind us that some musicians (even good ones) will do anything for money!   My favourite track, shared with Noel Rawsthorne (ex-Liverpool Cathedral), has to be the "Laughing song".   The great thing about FFJ is the fact that, even to-day, across the decades and in spite of modern technology, she still has the power to offend, amuse and delight in equal measure.   I think I have told this story before, but I once helped a couple of German students get to Heathrow Airport after one of them had twisted his ankle very badly. Whilst applying ice to the swollen joint, I put on "The glory of the human voice"....I felt that the pain would ease the pain.   Both lads were from Leipzig, and as it turned out, they were fascinated that I was an organist (they saw my organ), and promptly announced (after I had made a mess of some Bach) that they both played in the Leipzing Youth Orchestra (or some such). They also amazed me with a shared love of Reger, which was the last composer I would have attributed to two 17yr olds.   Anyway, to lengthen a short story, the disc came to an end and, in fairness, they retained a certain self- control and continued to look tutonically serious.   However, when I put on PDQ Bach's "Cantata" , they frowned at first, then stifled their laughter, and eventually fell apart at the seams! In fact, I just could not resist giving them the CD to take back to Germany.   For my part, I got a strange tape of modern German pop music in return, which to this day puzzles me.   It was a memorable meeting of musicians which will always stick with me, in spite of the unfortunate injury.   I feel sure that the input of PDQ Bach would have given Leipzig a unique American perspective on their most famous Cantor.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: The Glory of the Human Voice From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:46:55 -0700 (PDT)   Colin reminds me of a favorite commediene of ours ... although not a singer, her albums years ago, with Victor Borge and PDQ Bach, had us howling with enjoyment ... Anna Russell ... her delicious British voice was delightful as she did operatic schtick. Does anyone remember her?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: New Organ Policy (Was: Wedding fee question) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:33:14 -0500   STRAIGHT wrote: > I'm typing, I'm typing!   Toldja!   > Thank you for your encouragement! > And thanks to the rest of you also.   Welcome. Personally, I'd love to hear more about the organ that one company wouldn't maintain for you. Privately, if you wish.   Faithfully, (and who's glad he's good for SOMEthing once in awhile!)   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: Henry Willis II From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:42:44 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   If Jennifer would like to contact me off-list, there are many leads and possible sources which would be of use to her.   She is certainly connected with a very colourful and talented family.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Jennifer Shaddix Minter <scminter@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I have subscribed to this list in the hopes that > someone might be able > to give me some research direction. I am looking > for books or any > other information sources that deal with > biographical information on > organ builder Henry Willis II.   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: The Glory of the Human Voice From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:30:05 +1200   >Anna Russell ... her delicious British >voice was delightful as she did operatic schtick. >Does anyone remember her?   Oh yes yes yes. One of the funniest women ever. "In Darkest Africa" is a wonderful lp, and I have two others of hers as well. However badly she does it, she does prove that she actually could = play the bagpipes. Long may she be remembered.   Ross    
(back) Subject: PD organ: and another gem for your consideration... From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:58:09 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005B_01C33523.EC1A9B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello, folks   I received an OVERwhelming response to my posting of the 8 pages from =3D Les Maitres... more will follow   Now I give for your consideration the Symphonie de la Passion of Paul de = =3D Maleingreau, published in 1923 (just under the wire to make it PD in the USA)   head on over to: http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/Scores/deMaleingreau/   and have a look... it is a neat piece!   Jonathan         --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03 ------=3D_NextPart_000_005B_01C33523.EC1A9B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello, folks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I received an OVERwhelming response = to =3D my posting=3D20 of the 8 pages from Les Maitres... more will follow</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Now I give for your consideration the = =3D Symphonie de=3D20 la Passion of Paul de Maleingreau, published</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in 1923 (just under the wire to make = it =3D PD in the=3D20 USA)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>head on over to:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/Scores/deMaleingreau/">http://www.= =3D blackiris.com/orwig/Scores/deMaleingreau/</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and have a look... it is a neat =3D piece!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jonathan</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified = =3D Virus=3D20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.490 /=3D20 Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005B_01C33523.EC1A9B40--