PipeChat Digest #3507 - Saturday, March 1, 2003
 
Infant Funeral Music CORRECTION
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
FW: The Churches and Young People (long)
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Nigerian scam
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re:  The Churches and Young People
  by "Jim C" <cromornecipher@hotmail.com>
Re: FW: The Churches and Young People (long)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: The Churches and Young People
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: The Churches and Young People
  by "Joshua Edwards" <organman@cablenet-va.com>
 

(back) Subject: Infant Funeral Music CORRECTION From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 07:57:07 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Vierne's work was not "Triptyque pour une infante difunte" but "Stele pour une infante difunte" from his work "Triptyque"   Yours Andres      
(back) Subject: FW: The Churches and Young People (long) From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:34:24 -0500   I rarely forward things to the group, and many of you may have seen this already. For those of you who haven't, I thought it touched on topics important to most of us and makes some good and interesting points.   I suppose I could have edited it down but I think it is worth looking at = the complete letter for the context. I believe it contains a lot of food for thought.   TommyLee Whitlock Reston, VA   ------ Forwarded Message This article appeared in the Daily Telegraph on the day the new Archbishop of Canterbury was enthroned.   Without some young blood, the Church must surely die By Erin Baker (Filed: 26/02/2003)   To the Most Reverend and Right Honourable the Lord Archbishop of = Canterbury   Dear Archbishop,   The Church of England is failing - failing to recognise it is out of touch with young people and failing to do anything about it.   This comes as no surprise to Christians under 30. According to the Social Affairs Unit, church attendance has dropped by half in 50 years and child attendance has collapsed. There will be no one to fill the pews in another 50 years' time.   You have to act now, while young people are listening to your views on = Iraq, and will be watching you being enthroned tomorrow, to deflect some of the attention on you to the plight of the Church.   I'm an example of the problem you face. I am a 24-year-old woman, I have believed in God since I was a teenager, I sang in my church choir for 10 years, I got confirmed, I tried different forms of worship such as the happy-clappy Spring Harvest conference, and I believed in God through the difficult teenage and university years.   But: I never read the Bible, I don't pray much any more, I don't worry if = I miss the odd Sunday service and I don't kneel in church if it will crease = my trousers. Yet to my friends, I am that rare creature, the committed Christian. If I'm as good as it gets in their eyes, it's time to send out the rescue party.   Consider the Sunday morning service. The sermons are mostly irrelevant to young people, uninspiring and lack any reference to current affairs. The liturgy is graceless and unappealing. The Common Worship text is a = hopeless mixture of ancient and modern and the modern responses use banal, cliched phrasing. Compare, "Spare thou them, O God, which confess their faults, Restore thou them which are penitent" (Book of Common Prayer, 1662) with, "We are truly sorry and repent of all our sins" (Common Worship). Don't patronise young people by assuming they want simple language: according to the Social Affairs Unit, 75 per cent of 16- to 24-year-olds prefer the traditional Lord's Prayer.   There is little guidance outside the Sunday service for young people who suffer mini-crises midweek, when they have a row with their flatmate, = forget a work deadline or run into financial difficulties. Few churches designate someone to empathise with the problems that teenagers and twentysomethings face, and show them how God can provide an answer to some of the miseries.   But the Church has many good things to offer and it needs to start = marketing them more successfully. Church buildings are testament to the triumph of Christianity. Soaring roofs, intricate stonework and stained glass windows echo a pride in Christianity that the 21st-century Church seems = embarrassed to admit to. There's a feeling that to modernise means stripping out pews, replacing organs with electric pianos, divesting priests of their robes = and ignoring altars for Communion. But young people need someone to respect = and admire. Today's celebrity culture demonstrates that. If the Church, in its physical, as well as spiritual nature, is not the demonstration of the ultimate aspiration, what is?   Identify the churches where there is a strong twentysomething = congregation, and exploit it. These churches are normally in cities - I visited one last week in London for an evening talk that was funny, provocative and drew on experiences common to the young professional.   Encourage parishes to set up a strong pastoral element - midweek meetings with a discussion based on current affairs. Ask all churches to advertise = a member of their congregation who is available to talk to young people.   Although overall confirmation figures are declining, the number of young adults getting confirmed is slowly growing, so set up a second-tier confirmation course, for those who want to be intellectually challenged by robust debates. Examine the success of the evangelical Alpha course and incorporate some of its discussion on contemporary issues.   Look to successful Christian conferences, such as Spring Harvest and Soul Survivor, and adapt their emphasis on strong musical worship and frank discussion.   Create a C of E newspaper for under-30s and ensure a comprehensive distribution, so that young people in dwindling village congregations = become part of a powerful nationwide movement. Copy some ideas from teenage magazines: agony columns, features and a forum page tackling drugs, prostitution or homosexuality.   Many young people are transient at weekends. The Christian community must = be independent of churches. It can thrive on the internet. Set up a website with a list of churches, with a short profile of each one (evangelical, traditional), and service times and locations. Young people should be able to access the name and number of a youth co-ordinator who will be there on = a Sunday to welcome them.   You need good PR - so appear on youth television. Get Ant and Dec to interview you (if you need to ask who Ant and Dec are, I rest my case). Start your own campaign aimed at 16- to 29-year-olds. Adverts should = include the young people's website address and a helpline for people who are too embarrassed to go to church, but want to find out more.   The Young Adult Network's observer group, which reports to the General Synod, and the Church's national youth officers are steps in the right direction, but you must give it a much greater profile.   This leads to the funding question. It is pointless to spend money on missionary societies and organisations concerned with relief and development, when, in 50 years' time, you are not going to have a Church = in this country, let alone abroad. Redirect some funding from these missions = to youth work here.   Eddie Izzard once did a stand-up sketch where he portrayed Church of = England members as people with no arm muscles. They stood at church doors, arms dangling at their sides and fixed grins on their faces, reciting: "Do come in. You're the only one today." The audience roared with laughter. If you don't want the Church to become a comical irrelevance, act now.   Your thoughts?   ------ End of Forwarded Message    
(back) Subject: Re: Nigerian scam From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 10:03:21 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001D_01C2DFD9.CA8B0180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Take cash Bruce, I don't think their checks are any good. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Nigerian scam     In a message dated 2/27/03 10:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, =3D dcase@puc.edu writes:=3D20       A version of a Nigerian Scam just got to me, probably=3D20 through this list. I trust everyone is aware that any=3D20 offer relating to money from Nigeria (or any other stranger)=3D20 is bogus.=3D20       It appears that everyone is stealing money from Nigeria. No wonder =3D things are in such bad shape. I get at least six of these day in two =3D of my mailboxes. I keep telling them if they'll send me a check for =3D $250,000 I'll get the ball rolling!! ;-)=3D20   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001D_01C2DFD9.CA8B0180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Take cash Bruce, I don't think their = =3D checks are any=3D20 good.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 28, 2003 = =3D 11:34=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Nigerian =3D scam</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 2/27/03 10:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:dcase@puc.edu">dcase@puc.edu</A> writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">A version of a Nigerian Scam just got to me, = probably=3D20 <BR>through this list. &nbsp;I trust everyone is aware that any =3D <BR>offer=3D20 relating to money from Nigeria (or any other stranger) <BR>is bogus. = =3D   <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>It appears that = =3D everyone is=3D20 stealing money from Nigeria. &nbsp;No wonder things are in such bad =3D shape.=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;I get at least six of these day in two of my mailboxes. =3D &nbsp;I=3D20 keep telling them if they'll send me a check for $250,000 I'll get the = =3D ball=3D20 rolling!! ;-) <BR><BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in = the=3D20 Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001D_01C2DFD9.CA8B0180--      
(back) Subject: Re: The Churches and Young People From: "Jim C" <cromornecipher@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 11:50:20 -0500   I think that the important thing is being looked over here. Even if all = the churches in the country were to be closed and torn down, that still = wouldn't stop Christians from gathering in groups to worship - including young people! If you question that, look at all of the effective campus ministries in our colleges and universities.   In all honesty, if I didn't feel the call to be a church musician, I wouldn't go to church. In my short 20 years of life, I've seen more deception and self-centeredness from pastors and congregation members = alike in various churches than I care to admit. With denominations and = doctrines, the "church" is literally recreating the Christian faith to serve each of their ideals. There's one truth that we all need to know: the words from =   the verse that we all know and love, John 3:16.   It's all about a man dying on a cross and saving the world.   Jim C               >From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: FW: The Churches and Young People (long) >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:34:24 -0500 > >I rarely forward things to the group, and many of you may have seen this >already. For those of you who haven't, I thought it touched on topics >important to most of us and makes some good and interesting points. > >I suppose I could have edited it down but I think it is worth looking at >the >complete letter for the context. I believe it contains a lot of food for >thought. > >TommyLee Whitlock >Reston, VA > >------ Forwarded Message >This article appeared in the Daily Telegraph on the day the new >Archbishop of Canterbury was enthroned. > > >Without some young blood, the Church must surely die >By Erin Baker >(Filed: 26/02/2003) > >To the Most Reverend and Right Honourable the Lord Archbishop of = Canterbury > >Dear Archbishop, > >The Church of England is failing - failing to recognise it is out of = touch >with young people and failing to do anything about it. > >This comes as no surprise to Christians under 30. According to the Social >Affairs Unit, church attendance has dropped by half in 50 years and child >attendance has collapsed. There will be no one to fill the pews in = another >50 years' time. > >You have to act now, while young people are listening to your views on >Iraq, >and will be watching you being enthroned tomorrow, to deflect some of the >attention on you to the plight of the Church. > >I'm an example of the problem you face. I am a 24-year-old woman, I have >believed in God since I was a teenager, I sang in my church choir for 10 >years, I got confirmed, I tried different forms of worship such as the >happy-clappy Spring Harvest conference, and I believed in God through the >difficult teenage and university years. > >But: I never read the Bible, I don't pray much any more, I don't worry if = I >miss the odd Sunday service and I don't kneel in church if it will crease =   >my >trousers. Yet to my friends, I am that rare creature, the committed >Christian. If I'm as good as it gets in their eyes, it's time to send out >the rescue party. > >Consider the Sunday morning service. The sermons are mostly irrelevant to >young people, uninspiring and lack any reference to current affairs. The >liturgy is graceless and unappealing. The Common Worship text is a = hopeless >mixture of ancient and modern and the modern responses use banal, cliched >phrasing. Compare, "Spare thou them, O God, which confess their faults, >Restore thou them which are penitent" (Book of Common Prayer, 1662) with, >"We are truly sorry and repent of all our sins" (Common Worship). Don't >patronise young people by assuming they want simple language: according = to >the Social Affairs Unit, 75 per cent of 16- to 24-year-olds prefer the >traditional Lord's Prayer. > >There is little guidance outside the Sunday service for young people who >suffer mini-crises midweek, when they have a row with their flatmate, >forget >a work deadline or run into financial difficulties. Few churches designate >someone to empathise with the problems that teenagers and = twentysomethings >face, and show them how God can provide an answer to some of the = miseries. > >But the Church has many good things to offer and it needs to start >marketing >them more successfully. Church buildings are testament to the triumph of >Christianity. Soaring roofs, intricate stonework and stained glass = windows >echo a pride in Christianity that the 21st-century Church seems = embarrassed >to admit to. There's a feeling that to modernise means stripping out = pews, >replacing organs with electric pianos, divesting priests of their robes = and >ignoring altars for Communion. But young people need someone to respect = and >admire. Today's celebrity culture demonstrates that. If the Church, in = its >physical, as well as spiritual nature, is not the demonstration of the >ultimate aspiration, what is? > >Identify the churches where there is a strong twentysomething = congregation, >and exploit it. These churches are normally in cities - I visited one = last >week in London for an evening talk that was funny, provocative and drew = on >experiences common to the young professional. > >Encourage parishes to set up a strong pastoral element - midweek meetings >with a discussion based on current affairs. Ask all churches to advertise = a >member of their congregation who is available to talk to young people. > >Although overall confirmation figures are declining, the number of young >adults getting confirmed is slowly growing, so set up a second-tier >confirmation course, for those who want to be intellectually challenged = by >robust debates. Examine the success of the evangelical Alpha course and >incorporate some of its discussion on contemporary issues. > >Look to successful Christian conferences, such as Spring Harvest and Soul >Survivor, and adapt their emphasis on strong musical worship and frank >discussion. > >Create a C of E newspaper for under-30s and ensure a comprehensive >distribution, so that young people in dwindling village congregations >become >part of a powerful nationwide movement. Copy some ideas from teenage >magazines: agony columns, features and a forum page tackling drugs, >prostitution or homosexuality. > >Many young people are transient at weekends. The Christian community must =   >be >independent of churches. It can thrive on the internet. Set up a website >with a list of churches, with a short profile of each one (evangelical, >traditional), and service times and locations. Young people should be = able >to access the name and number of a youth co-ordinator who will be there = on >a >Sunday to welcome them. > >You need good PR - so appear on youth television. Get Ant and Dec to >interview you (if you need to ask who Ant and Dec are, I rest my case). >Start your own campaign aimed at 16- to 29-year-olds. Adverts should >include >the young people's website address and a helpline for people who are too >embarrassed to go to church, but want to find out more. > >The Young Adult Network's observer group, which reports to the General >Synod, and the Church's national youth officers are steps in the right >direction, but you must give it a much greater profile. > >This leads to the funding question. It is pointless to spend money on >missionary societies and organisations concerned with relief and >development, when, in 50 years' time, you are not going to have a Church = in >this country, let alone abroad. Redirect some funding from these missions =   >to >youth work here. > >Eddie Izzard once did a stand-up sketch where he portrayed Church of >England >members as people with no arm muscles. They stood at church doors, arms >dangling at their sides and fixed grins on their faces, reciting: "Do = come >in. You're the only one today." The audience roared with laughter. If you >don't want the Church to become a comical irrelevance, act now. > >Your thoughts? > >------ End of Forwarded Message > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus    
(back) Subject: Re: FW: The Churches and Young People (long) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:51:39 EST     --part1_14c.1c8046e8.2b923f1b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Tommylee:   Should we say, out of the mouths of babes come wisdom? or a Child will have to lead them, because the elders have forgotten how? I'm also glad that Erin Baker used the word "Patronize" and extolled the virtues of tradition in a worship service. I think Erin has hit upon the crux of the matter, stop patronizing me, and lets stop "experimenting" and throwing mud against the walls hoping some of it sticks, and go back to services of majesty, whereby I can give myself back to God again. So much for all the contemporary posturing. How many more young people will have to say this before we wake up to the fact that we are fooling nobody but ourselves. We are telling young people, "we are doing this for you", and they are saying boldly, "No thanks!" Good for them!   Every Pastor and Bishop in all Christian denominations should receive a copy of this open letter to the Archbishop of Canterbury to wake them up. Christian Colleges and Seminaries too.   Ron Severin   --part1_14c.1c8046e8.2b923f1b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Dear Tommylee:<BR> <BR> Should we say, out of the mouths of babes come wisdom?<BR> or a Child will have to lead them, because the elders have<BR> forgotten how? I'm also glad that Erin Baker used the word<BR> "Patronize" and extolled the virtues of tradition in a worship<BR> service. I think Erin has hit upon the crux of the matter,<BR> stop patronizing me, and lets stop "experimenting" and<BR> throwing mud against the walls hoping some of it sticks, <BR> and go back to services of majesty, whereby I can give<BR> myself back to God again. So much for all the contemporary<BR> posturing. How many more young people will have to say this<BR> before we wake up to the fact that we are fooling nobody but<BR> ourselves. We are telling young people, "we are doing this for<BR> you", and they are saying boldly, "No thanks!" Good for them!<BR> <BR> Every Pastor and Bishop in all Christian denominations should<BR> receive a copy of this open letter to the Archbishop of Canterbury<BR> to wake them up. Christian Colleges and Seminaries too.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_14c.1c8046e8.2b923f1b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Churches and Young People From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:10:22 EST     --part1_6b.b55529d.2b92437e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well Jim C.:   Start making your feelings known that you are fed up to here with all the nonsense. We are depending on you, the young to turn things around. Be bold, be honest. What you and Erin have said, we have been saying for years, but what do we know? Hopefully they'll listen to the youth, otherwise all is lost. Tell them to reinstate the great music, the great care and pomp and circumstance of majestic worship to God. Most of all pipe organs, and choirs to worthily Praise the Lord. Get cracking Jim and Erin, we desperately need people like you to make your feelings known. They certainly haven't been listening to us. You certainly have our support.   Ron Severin   --part1_6b.b55529d.2b92437e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Well Jim C.:<BR> <BR> Start making your feelings known that you are fed up to here<BR> with all the nonsense. We are depending on you, the young<BR> to turn things around. Be bold, be honest. What you and Erin<BR> have said, we have been saying for years, but what do we know?<BR> Hopefully they'll listen to the youth, otherwise all is lost. Tell<BR> them to reinstate the great music, the great care and pomp and<BR> circumstance of majestic worship to God. Most of all pipe organs,<BR> and choirs to worthily Praise the Lord. Get cracking Jim and Erin,<BR> we desperately need people like you to make your feelings known.<BR> They certainly haven't been listening to us. You certainly have our<BR> support.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.b55529d.2b92437e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Churches and Young People From: "Joshua Edwards" <organman@cablenet-va.com> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:37:41 -0500   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> Ron,<br> <br> Us young people, me being 22 and a minister of music, have many years = ahead of us. &nbsp;However, I can yell and scream all I want to about what is = appropriate, but the 60, 70, and 80+ year olds are set in their ways and want things a certain way. &nbsp;I can back this up by saying that just recently we = changed the format of our calendar in the newsletter and you would not believe how many angry older folks called the church secretary and gave her an ear = full! &nbsp;It's just awful! &nbsp;How can we be expected to get anything = accomplished without the support of the majority of the congregation??<br> <br> Joshua Edwards<br> Bedford, VA<br> <br> <br> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com">RonSeverin@aol.com</a> wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid6b.b55529d.2b92437e@aol.com"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D"2" family=3D"SANSSERIF" = face=3D"Arial" lang=3D"0">Well Jim C.:<br> <br> Start making your feelings known that you are fed up to here<br> with all the nonsense. We are depending on you, the young<br> to turn things around. Be bold, be honest. What you and Erin<br> have said, we have been saying for years, but what do we know?<br> Hopefully they'll listen to the youth, otherwise all is lost. Tell<br> them to reinstate the great music, the great care and pomp and<br> circumstance of majestic worship to God. Most of all pipe organs,<br> and choirs to worthily Praise the Lord. Get cracking Jim and Erin,<br> we desperately need people like you to make your feelings known.<br> They certainly haven't been listening to us. You certainly have our<br> support.<br> <br> Ron Severin</font></font></blockquote> <br> </body> </html>