PipeChat Digest #3514 - Monday, March 3, 2003
 
RE: Colin Mitchell's post
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Organs With Two Pedal Boards
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Colin Mitchell's post
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: blower sounds?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: pastor/musician relations
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Colin Mitchell's post
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3513 - 03/03/03 - Stereo/Mono Problems
  by "Bro. Lawrence" <st_lawrence40@yahoo.com>
Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Colin Mitchell's post
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: pastor/musician relations
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3513 - 03/03/03 - Stereo/Mono Problems
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Pastor/Organist
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Robert Wolfe Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on March 25. (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: pastor/musician relations
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Pastor-musician relations
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@scti.net>
Fwd: Felix returns to Aspen
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Colin Mitchell's post From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:36:51 -0600   Just don't do it on the list, please.   -----Original Message----- From: Kevin L. Cischke [mailto:ophicleide160@lycos.com]=20 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:52 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Colin Mitchell's post     Colin Mitchell wrote:   > >The debate about Genesis in America is a debate about >exactly the same arrogance of a faith system based on >misplaced authority; the idea that the Bible is "God's >word". (A curiously post-reformation idea). > I find this to be qutie an interesting idea and would like him to explain this more thoroughly. I am not sure I understand the point he is trying to make.   What about it Colin?   Thanks Kevin Cischke     _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=3Dplus&ref=3Dlmtplus   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:42:53 +0000 (GMT)   Hello Paul,   Thanks for your e-mail.   I'm not too sure about religion in Holland, which seems to have declined to some extent; particularly amongst the under 40's.   Of all things, Calvanism should be contrary to the general flow.....that is, extremely conservative.   However, the way the Dutch embrace contemporary thinking is quite remarkable. Then they improve on it with great sophistication and application.   Although I admire Holland enormously for her tolerance, cosmopolitan outlook, good sense, reason and industry, I could never know the reason why this should be so, without being born there.   After all, the very same sect of religion (Calvanism) has wrought near havoc in Ireland.   I suspect that Holland still has respect for intellegent people, and intellegent people discuss very, very intellegently. But there is something else......a sort of Dutch way of viewing and behaving. They probably have a third the laws of the UK, and probably less than half the criminal behaviour.   Perhaps they do re-invent themselves every so often, for it seems that they easily and painlessly move from one era to another.   You may guess that I like Holland a great deal!   It's an impressive little country considering that her borders are always less than four hours apart by road!   I suspect that tradition and religion are kept in their place.....respected certainly, but dominant they are not. I don't know the answer, but I suspect that if I were to delve into the constitution of Holland, I would find very powerful clauses which limited the power of religious bodies and the royalty.   Regards,   Colin --- Paul Valtos <chercapa@enter.net> wrote: > Dear Colin, > One of the things that entered my mind when you > mentioned Holland was > their need to improvise on hymns.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs With Two Pedal Boards From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:51:55 -0500   Well Arno,   I am NOT sure, and the website you cite, having been updated this very month, adds to my doubt. I believe the bad news appeared either in The American Organist Magazine or The Diapason at the end of 2001. I checked = the PipOrg-L Archives, and found that I had mentioned this peripherally, in a posting about something else in January of 2002.   You would seem to be the bearer of good news.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Organs With Two Pedal Boards     > Hi Malcom, > > Malcolm Wechsler > > First off, one needs to make a spelling distinction between the = English > > Walker and the German (E. F.) Walcker, now unfortunately no longer in > > business. > > Are you sure? > http://www.walckerorgel.de/ > > Greetings > > Arno      
(back) Subject: Re: Colin Mitchell's post From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:38:28 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I can answer this very simply.   Echoing a private reply just sent to another pipechatter, I would make two statements.   Genesis makes a point....."God created the world in 7 days (ions)" etc etc   Sir Bernard Lovell (an organist....keeping this ON TOPIC of course!), Astronomer Royal at some point, and director of Joderel Bank Observatory, made another comment:-   "If the Big Bang really happened, then at the beginning of time, there was infinite mass and nil circumference".   The schoolboy asks another question.   "How come?"   Do YOU have an answer Mr Fundamentalist? Do YOU have an answer Mr Lovell?   The simple fact is, NO ONE KNOWS WHY OR HOW!!   Arrogance is the blasphemy of limiting what we perceive as God to our own understanding of things.   The message of Christ is TOTALLY different.   Are you all listening at the back of the class-room?   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- "Kevin L. Cischke" <ophicleide160@lycos.com> wrote: > > Colin Mitchell wrote: > > > > >The debate about Genesis in America is a debate > about > >exactly the same arrogance of a faith system based > on > >misplaced authority; the idea that the Bible is > "God's > >word". (A curiously post-reformation idea). > > > I find this to be qutie an interesting idea and > would like him to explain this more thoroughly. I am > not sure I understand the point he is trying to > make. > > What about it Colin?     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:44:03 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Sorry about that!   I intended to post that reply to Paul Valtos personally.   Can't have politics messing up pipechat.   Please folks, if you are going to respond to me about politics and the Freemasons, please do so privately.   Colin Mitchell UK (Baring his breast!)     --- Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Paul, > > Thanks for your e-mail. > > I'm not too sure about religion in Holland, which > seems to have declined to some extent; particularly > amongst the under 40's.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: blower sounds? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:44:47 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3129554687_25576289 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/2/03 10:13 PM, "Cremona502@cs.com" <Cremona502@cs.com> wrote:   > It might be a scary threat, but I think it would be nice to have a = little > thumbnail sketch of the builders on the list.   Couldn=3DB9t hurt.   Alan   --B_3129554687_25576289 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: blower sounds?</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/2/03 10:13 PM, = &quot;Cremona502@cs.com&qu=3D ot; &lt;Cremona502@cs.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">It might be a scary threat, but = I thi=3D nk it would be nice to have a little thumbnail sketch of the builders on = the=3D list.<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Couldn&#8217;t hurt.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3129554687_25576289--    
(back) Subject: Re: pastor/musician relations From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:59:27 -0500   I can tell you that from my own experience the priests who were also = organists whose churches I played in were much worse than many of the = others. They could not leave their mitts off what the organist was doing. = Furthermore, they did not take the side of the organist; they gave it lip = service, but did not follow through in their actions. One of them was = very cavalier about ensuring I got paid.   If you can become a clergy member and truly keep the best interests of the = church musician foremost, more power to you. You will have no trouble = attracting good ones.   Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   http://ibo.bww.com/foxworth password: foxy   > In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:15:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com writes: > > > Hi! > > I have an idea which I will not put into context at this point but = I'd > > like to get people's opinions on it. > > > > First, I feel that if more pastors were musically knowledgeable and > > could sympathize with a church musician in his/her position of = ministry > > then there would be more hope for good organists and church musicians = to > > enhance worship in our churches. > > > > Do you agree? > > > > Second, do you think that a trained organist and church musician who > > feels called to pastoral ministry could be an advocate for church > > musicians and organists thereby again helping to improve the situation > > for organists and church musicians in this country? > > > > Here's the context: > > > > As a professional, non-degreed (yet) church organist, I feel called to > > pastoral ministry and am considering changing schools yet again to = major > > in theology rather than music and minor in music, continuing organ = study > > and studying conducting and harpsichord. I feel that I could be a real > > bridge to the clergy-musician gap and help to encourage > > musician-clergy > > relations on a larger level. Do you think this is realistic? > > > > > > Blessings, > > Beau Surratt, Organist > > St. Peter's UCC, > > Elmhurst,IL > > Organ Performance Major, > > Northern Illinois University, > > DeKalb,IL >            
(back) Subject: Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:23:00 -0500   On 3/3/03 10:52 AM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Hello, > > Ron makes interesting points about the virtually > world-wide destruction of church music and religious > tradition. > > Let's look at a slightly different agenda. > > There is something terribly interesting about Holland > which never fails to fascinate me and which concerns > art. > If you visit the galleries in Amsterdam and elsewhere, > the dominant culture of paintings before the > reformation was almost exculsively religious art. > Thus, there are wonderful paintings of Bishops, > churches, biblical scenes etc etc. > > Move on just a few years, and religious art is nowhere > to be seen.....or so it seems. (This is NOT a > scholarly dissertation!) > > The emphasis has moved towards the traders, > politicians, learned people and things of a humanistic > kind. Religious imagery almost disappears from popular > art, but the church survived and they continued to > build organs. > > Ron seems to be making the point that "change" is the > result of socialism and communism; though God only > knows why he singles out Europe!   I don't have (or recall) Ron's post, but maybe I can add: I don't want to whitewash the Reformation (just because I'm a Lutheran), or even the Arminian reformation in the Lowlands. But it's a lot more complicated = than just that. Wasn't this just at the beginning of the Enlightenment, to flower into full-blown Rationalism? Would that be a factor as well (if = not more so?)   As for singling out Europe, I don't think that stands up. The movements mentioned above were quite ecumenical, and covered not only music but literature, philosophy, etc., and certainly involved all of Western civilization. > > I see things very, very differently. > > What I see in all the so-called "change" in music, > services and the like, is an "old" guard still trying > to maintain power and influence......making cosmetic > changes to what is really quite medieval. > > Many years ago, and at some length, I discussed this > very publicly and stirred up a storm. I argued that > REAL change had been non-existent, and merely > reflected the fear of humanism and "the death of God > movement" spawned of the quite brilliant theology of > Germany before and during the 2nd World War.   Well before and well since? > > The debate about Genesis in America is a debate about > exactly the same arrogance of a faith system based on > misplaced authority; the idea that the Bible is "God's > word". (A curiously post-reformation idea).   Well, is it such a hot topic any more?--since, say, 1965? > > Oddly enough, it doesn't mater whether one is > conversing with a bible-bashing fundamentalist or a > high-brow, conservative theologian.....they both agree > on basics.   Yes--but for different reasons, I think. (Not that that does much good?) > > The "liberal" wing of thinking-theology is far more > sophisticated.   Quite often. But I think less than universally. > > So when we hear "pop" in church, I believe that we are > witnessing the discredited theology of tradition.   You lost be there. Maybe expand by a sentence or two? > > Were churchpeople bright enough to shift the authority > of their faith from "the word" to the practical > imitation of what Jesus was all about, then they would > have an immediate appeal across the board and probably > wouldn't even NEED church music or a prayer book; let > alone organs and choirs. > > South America is such a political and economic mess, I > am frankly surprised that there hasn't been revolution > long before now. One of the richest regions in the > world, with some of the poorest people......it is a > scandal.   Two super paragraphs, Colin. > > But hey-ho! Revolutions and reformations come and go, > after which, everything settles down for a while and > normal life resumes; usually with different rulers who > know no better than the ones they replace! > > Such is life.   Abso-righto!   Alan >    
(back) Subject: Re: Colin Mitchell's post From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:24:38 -0500   On 3/3/03 3:36 PM, "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote:   > Just don't do it on the list, please. > Yes, Peter. Amen.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3513 - 03/03/03 - Stereo/Mono Problems From: "Bro. Lawrence" <st_lawrence40@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:34:32 -0800 (PST)   > Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3511 - 03/02/03 > From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" > <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:33:02 +1300 > > >I did not realize > >that there is a different stylus for mono. > > There isn't, necessarily. Stereo records were > certainly non-compatible to > start with, but quickly became playable with > either stereo or modern styli.   Wasn't the cartridge holding the stylus the problem? As I recall, mono cartridges weren't initially able to allow the differences in the two sides of the groove and the resultant minuscule up-and-down movement to be ridden over without damage by styli held in them. They could accommodate lateral movement only. Cartridges were quickly developed which could allow that bit of vertical movement and the problem was solved.   A worn stylus will damage any record, but I believe a good one won't harm either mono or stereo on a contemporary [built sometime after the mid-sixties] cartridge.   Is anyone here an expert on this? This is only what I remember, and it's been a long time!   Lawrence   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: LONG RE: The Churches and Young People Venezuela From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:03:24 -0500   On 3/3/03 3:42 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Of all things, Calvanism should be contrary to the > general flow.....that is, extremely conservative.   Or is that flow somewhat more like the lunar tides? Ebb and flow? And = with riptides and undertows, etc. In short, are you oversimplifying? > > However, the way the Dutch embrace contemporary > thinking is quite remarkable. Then they improve on it > with great sophistication and application.   Remarkably true. I agree. > > Although I admire Holland enormously for her > tolerance, cosmopolitan outlook, good sense, reason > and industry, I could never know the reason why this > should be so, without being born there. > > After all, the very same sect of religion (Calvanism) > has wrought near havoc in Ireland.   Am I totally wacko by seeing (or remembering) this differently: that your protestant Anglicans were/are Calvinists, but the Dutch are Arminians? = And that it's not an insignificant difference? > > I suspect that Holland still has respect for > intellegent people, and intellegent people discuss > very, very intellegently. But there is something > else......a sort of Dutch way of viewing and behaving. > They probably have a third the laws of the UK, and > probably less than half the criminal behaviour.   It's funny, Colin, I always like your stuff tremendously, but today I must be in a cranky mood. I agree with your words here, and with the passion with which you write them. But just not with the conclusions you draw. = New York City has had a pretty law-and-order government for most of the past decade--and our murder rate is one-third of what it was when that started. On the other hand, if we repealed all our laws, we'd have NO criminal behavior. The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate of any "civilized" country (I hear); but is this good or bad? Maybe we NEED it! > > Perhaps they do re-invent themselves every so often, > for it seems that they easily and painlessly move from > one era to another. > > You may guess that I like Holland a great deal!   Who wouldn't? > > I suspect that > if I were to delve into the constitution of Holland, I > would find very powerful clauses which limited the > power of religious bodies and the royalty.   Don't plan on it. Well, not too heavily, anyway. In the U.S. we = presumably have very little power among the ecclesiastics and the royalty. But we're still a mess in many ways. But I don't think our Constitution has a LOT = to do with it.   Alan the Cranky Grump    
(back) Subject: Re: Colin Mitchell's post From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:08:03 -0500   On 3/3/03 4:38 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > I can answer this very simply. > > Echoing a private reply just sent to another > pipechatter, I would make two statements. > > Genesis makes a point....."God created the world in 7 > days (ions)" etc etc   Oh, please! > > Sir Bernard Lovell (an organist....keeping this ON > TOPIC of course!), Astronomer Royal at some point, and > director of Joderel Bank Observatory, made another > comment:- > > "If the Big Bang really happened, then at the > beginning of time, there was infinite mass and nil > circumference". > > The schoolboy asks another question. > > "How come?" > > Do YOU have an answer Mr Fundamentalist? > Do YOU have an answer Mr Lovell? > > The simple fact is, NO ONE KNOWS WHY OR HOW!!   THAT'S the answer. Thank you. > > Arrogance is the blasphemy of limiting what we > perceive as God to our own understanding of things. > > The message of Christ is TOTALLY different. > > Are you all listening at the back of the class-room? > Just went to sleep. We finished all that in about 1952, at the schools I attended; and many had finished it all long before THAT.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: pastor/musician relations From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:27:48 -0600   Hi! Thanks for the email. Obviously, from what I wrote in my post, I do intend to keep the church musician's concerns foremost. That was the whole point of the message. Thanks for your support.     Blessings, Beau Surratt, Organist St. Peter's UCC, Elmhurst,IL Organ Performance Major, Northern Illinois University, DeKalb,IL      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3513 - 03/03/03 - Stereo/Mono Problems From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:07:53 +1300   You are exactly correct. Ross   >Wasn't the cartridge holding the stylus the >problem? As I recall, mono cartridges weren't >initially able to allow the differences in the >two sides of the groove and the resultant >minuscule up-and-down movement to be ridden over >without damage by styli held in them. They could >accommodate lateral movement only. Cartridges >were quickly developed which could allow that bit >of vertical movement and the problem was solved.      
(back) Subject: Pastor/Organist From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:56:04 -0600     Subject: pastor/musician relations From: "Beau Surratt" Hi!   First, I feel that if more pastors were musically knowledgeable and could sympathize with a church musician in his/her position of ministry then there would be more hope for good organists and church musicians to enhance worship in our churches.   Do you agree?   Second, do you think that a trained organist and church musician who feels called to pastoral ministry could be an advocate for church musicians and organists thereby again helping to improve the situation for organists and church musicians in this country? ____________________________________ Well, Beau, I'd like to think so since I happen to be a = clergyman/organist. I'm ordained in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and am an amateur organist--in BOTH senses of the term--I'm not very well trained, = but I really do LOVE it!   I've always tried to be supportive of organists and good organs, though I have to say that I have moved in circles where pipe organs were non-existent, and a Hammond C-3 was often the organ of choice!!   Happy to converse via private email if you have thoughts to bounce around.   Dennis Steckley First Christian Church Casey, IL    
(back) Subject: Robert Wolfe Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on March 25. (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:59:03 -0500   The Rochester Theater Organ Society is proud to announce that England's Robert Wolfe will perform an exciting concert at our Wurlitzer 4/23 on Tuesday evening, March 25 at 8 PM. Called by his many English fan club members as "Wizard of the Wurlitzer" and "King of the Swingers", Robert Wolfe has provided enthusiastic Rochester audiences during his 10 previous RTOS appearances with plenty of evidence of why he earned these titles.   Video coverage on a large screen will assist the audience's live viewing = of Robert's breathtaking fingering during his fast numbers. His presentations include the Blackpool Tower style of dance sets, lush ballads, show tunes, orchestral transcriptions, spirited marches and more.   This event takes place at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. Driving directions, Robert Wolfe's biography, RTOS info and photos, the 4/23 chamber layouts and stoplist and much more are available at: http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . Tickets at only $10 = each are available at the box office one hour preceding the concert.   This is one event that you don't want to miss!   Announcement by Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President)    
(back) Subject: Re: pastor/musician relations From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:34:53 -0500   On 3/3/03 6:27 PM, "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> wrote:   > from what I wrote in my post, I do intend to keep the church musician's > concerns foremost. That was the whole point of the message. > I gotcha, Beau. I'm not ready to agree with it the way you say it. I = don't think there should be a "foremost" or a "hindmost." Generally. In any individual case, yes. But, across the board, over a decade or two, I = think there will be cases where your pastoral sense will GOVERN your musical sense. But there will be other cases where it works the other way around. I think. (Or maybe I don't.)   The musician's job is a theological enterprise. The pastor's/preacher's = job is a theological enterprise. But (I think, I think) neither one's more so than the other's.   Maybe?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Pastor-musician relations From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@scti.net> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:31:26 -0600   Beau, one cannot serve two masters.   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Fwd: Felix returns to Aspen From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:47:24 -0600   >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:40:40 -0600 >Reply-To: Jon Busch <busch@rof.net> >Sender: Pipe Organs and Related Topics <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> >From: Jon Busch <busch@rof.net> >Subject: Felix returns to Aspen >To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu > >Hello List - > >Here is Felix's program for the Aspen Community Church recital. > >Wednesday, March 12. 7:30pm > >Johann Sebastion Bach >> - Toccata and Fugue d minor, BWV 565 >> - "Schmuecke dich o liebe Seele" (Leipzig Chorale), BWV 625 >> - Trio Sonata No. 1 Eb Major, BWV 525 >> - Fuga (alla Gigue) G Major, BWV 577 >> - Toccata and Fugue D Major, BWV 532 >> >> INTERMISSION >> >> Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy >> Sonata No 3 A Major >> - Con moto maestoso >> - Andante tranquillo >> >> Felix-Alexandre Guilmant >> Sonata No. 1 D Minor >> - Introduction et Allegro >> - Pastorale >> - Final > >The organ he is playing is a 1999 2x30 Wicks. You can see the spec on = Wicks >web site. > >Felix's dad asked me to post this to PIPECHAT as well, but I do not = belong >to that org. If someone would like to pass this info along, I would >appreciate it. > > >Thanks. > >Jon in Aspen   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org